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progressive caucus, congressman greg casar. and later, donald trump, gives vladimir putin everything he wants before negotiations even begin. putin critic bill browder joins me to talk about what happens next. okay. you may have noticed this, but for the last few weeks, donald trump has tried really, really hard to get a certain message across about the thing he is apparently trying desperately to hunt down. >> we want to weed out the corruption. tremendous fraud and corruption and waste. waste. corruption and radical left. lunacy. corruption. very corrupt people. very corrupt. corrupt. corrupt. corrupt. a lot of corruption. >> but here's the thing. i mean, just because you say something over and over and over, it doesn't make it true. and when trump and musk are pressed to

provide any actual evidence that their grand plan is actually rooting out mass fraud and corruption in the government, they come up very short. what is becoming increasingly clear is that they're not really after corruption at all. they're simply after stuff they just don't like, for whatever reason. i mean, what is also clear is that when it comes to donald trump, every accusation is usually some form of a confession. i mean, let me put it this way. if they were actually hunting for the corruption, it might get a little bit uncomfortable in there because the call is kind of coming from inside the house here, guys. i mean, i can even point you in many of the right directions. like trump freezing a us law banning the bribery of foreign officials. a law that has previously hit suppliers for tesla or musk attacking the consumer financial protection bureau, a bureau that would have cracked down on his attempts to turn x into a digital payment platform, or the administration planning to lay off thousands of irs employees, a move that stands to benefit the richest

taxpayers. i wonder who falls into that category. or trump pardoning former illinois governor rod blagojevich, who was convicted of trying to sell a u.s. senate seat. or trump firing inspectors general whose literal job is to find corruption in the government. you could also look at musk's meeting with indian prime minister modi this week. you know, the one you can see there where they sat in front of a us and an indian flag, just like a bilateral meeting, a meeting that even trump doesn't seem to know the reason behind. >> i don't know. he they met and i assume he wants to do business in india. i would imagine he met possibly because, you know, he's running a company. he's he's doing this as a as something that he's felt strongly about for a long time. >> i mean, so was musk there as a government official for this country or as a ceo for himself or maybe as a fake government official so he could make some better business deals? who knows? anything's possible. even

the president doesn't know. seems like the kind of fuzziness that you'd want to avoid if you were really laser focused on rooting out corruption in government, right? i mean, luckily, trump says he will personally oversee whether or not musk has any conflicts of interest, which clearly seems to be going very well so far. but nothing encapsulates this administration's embrace of corruption better than the case of new york city mayor eric adams. now, this is a guy who faces actual corruption charges for conspiracy, bribery and fraud. all those things that trump and musk claim to care so much about. but earlier this week, acting u.s. deputy attorney general emil bové ordered federal prosecutors to drop those charges against adams, saying it hampered adams ability to tackle illegal immigration and violent crime. right. the two have nothing to do with each other, which i kno, you know. now, the message there is pretty clear. never mind the law. forget the evidence of corruption, of which there is plenty. you do our bidding, and

we'll make it like it never happened. and if you're thinking that sounds very shady, it's because it is very shady. and it has now prompted at least seven federal prosecutors to resign. first was danielle sassoon, who's the was the u.s. attorney, acting u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, who once clerked, by the way, for conservative supreme court justice scalia. and she wrote a pretty stunning letter on her way out. she described a meeting where the mayor's attorneys, quote, repeatedly urged what amounted to a quid pro quo, indicating that adams would be in a position to assist with the department's enforcement priorities only if the indictment were dismissed. so that was the acting u.s. attorney who once clerked for scalia, by the way, accusing the trump justice department of participating in a quid pro quo with the adams team. now you do something for us, and these charges will go away. but danielle wasn't going to do that. and after she resigned, six other prosecutors resigned because they wouldn't either. and on the very same day, those prosecutors resigned en masse,

taking a stand against actual corruption. it sure seemed like eric adams was trying to make good on his end of the deal. i mean, adams met with trump's border czar, tom homan, and agreed to open up rikers island to ice agents, which is a significant shift in the city's sanctuary policy and is exactly what homan said he told adams to do. it's almost as if he has something on him. and then the very next day, there was adams on the set of fox and friends, right next to tom homan. and i want you to just listen to part of what homan had to say to adams. >> if he doesn't come through, i'll be back in new york city and we won't be sitting on a couch. i'll be in his office. up, up his butt saying, where the hell is the agreement we came to? >> that's what i would call a very uncomfortable and nervous laugh on adams, on adam's part there. but, i mean, just to pause on this for a moment. there were mass resignations because of this suspected quid pro quo. and then they literally went on television and announced

that quid pro quo. on fox. if you felt a little crazy watching that, well, you're not alone. that's how i felt. it was a threat to make sure someone carries out their end of the mob like deal. that's what we just heard there. it's exactly the kind of thing you'd want to stop if you were a leader on the hunt for corruption and fraud, as they say they are. but instead of stopping it, the administration is perpetrating it. they are labeling things they don't like as corrupt, so they can go after them while they cultivate and celebrate real corruption when it serves them. i guess if they do it or their friends do it, it's not corruption. and if you don't just have to, you don't just have to take my word for it, obviously. take a look at this post from trump yesterday where he said, quote, he who saves his country does not violate any law. i know that may sound like a weird fortune cookie message, but he's telling us that he gets a free pass to break the law under the guise of saving the country. and his definition of it? just like he gets a free pass to do whatever he wants under the guise of rooting out

his version of corruption. the word hypocritical doesn't even begin to cut it. that if they ever decide they want to root out actual corruption, i can think of a few places for them to start. and i bet so can my next guest. joining me now is democratic congressman dan goldman of new york. before going to congress, he was an assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. congressman, it's great to see you. you're the perfect person to talk to. i just mentioned you obviously previously worked in the s.d.n.y office. you called the move to dismiss mayor adams case a dark day for the doj. i think a lot of people share that. i know what i think looks what i think looks like happened here, but i'm just curious, as a former prosecutor, when you saw mayor adams sitting side by side with tom homan on fox news friday morning, agreeing essentially to the administration's immigration demands, i feel like i was taking crazy pills. but what did you think when you were watching that? >> yeah, well, when you think of a conspiracy, right, you think about a predetermined agreement to do something. now for a conspiracy, you don't actually have to complete the objective

of the conspiracy to charge it. but what we saw on friday morning was the completion was the confirmation of the agreement that eric adams would provide assistance to donald trump's immigration policies in return for having his case dropped. and lest you think that adams is free not to follow trump's orders. this extraordinary agreement allows the doj to recharge eric adams in november, based in part on whether or not he cooperates with trump. it is an outright extortion. and what's even more extraordinary to me, jen, as a ten year veteran of the department of justice, was the original memo that acting deputy attorney general emil bove wrote directing the dismissal of this case in something that i don't think you will ever see in any other official document from the department of justice. he said that the charging decision that

he was directing was specifically not based on the evidence and not based on the law. so therefore, it can only be improper, because those are the only things that the department of justice should be relying on. and then as you read it on, it's all about policy agreement and implementing immigration policy. it is. it's so out of bounds that you saw seven prosecutors resign because they knew republicans, federalist society members, scalia clerks, roberts clerks, because they know that this is way, way, way outside the bounds of the department of justice. it's the, i think, the most significant event since the saturday night massacre in the department of justice. >> it was indeed a valentine's day massacre of sorts on friday. and there's so much more i think we're waiting to happen here. there's obviously a lot of legal questions. there are political questions. and i want to ask you about some of those, because governor hochul can invoke, as

far as i think we all understand it, her authority to remove mayor adams from office. so far, she has not done that. she told my colleague rachel maddow she needed time to figure out the right approach. that was a couple days ago. one of your colleagues in the new york delegation, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, said she should remove him. what do you what do you think governor hochul should do? should she remove adams from office? >> well, look, i think eric adams has one play here to actually try to continue to be mayor. and that's if he stood up and did the right thing and said, you know what? this is an extortion scheme. you are extorting me in order to relieve me of the charges against me. and i am not going to play that game. so either department of justice, you dismiss my case because you don't think it should have been brought or you don't. and obviously, that would require him to stand up to the department of justice and to risk a trial and risk going to prison, which it does not seem like he wants to do. but if he

does not do that, then he cannot serve as the mayor of new york city while he is beholden to donald trump. his allegiances would be more to donald trump than it would be to new york city. and that's just an impossible situation for any mayor to be in. >> undoubtedly. i mean, as you said, it's a version of blackmail. that's not a legal term, but that's how i kind of heard what you described previously. but if he doesn't do that, and i think we'd all be surprised if he does what you just said. we'll see. should the governor and take her power to remove him from office so that new york city is not in a position where they have somebody who is a version of a hostage to the to the president sitting in the mayor's office. >> look, i hope we don't get there, jen. i really do. i think that that would be an even sadder day. sadder? not satire, but sadder than what we're dealing with right now. i expect that there will be a resolution among, you know, the leaders of

our political establishment in new york that hopefully would avoid something like that, which would be a tremendous distraction. but it is it is very clear that if you are beholden to a president whose immigration policies also violate new york city law, then you cannot serve as mayor. >> you i you know, you previously worked, as we mentioned, a couple of times in the s.d.n.y. office. i know you're still in touch with people there. as you also mentioned, a lot of them clerked for conservative justices. they're not exactly card holding democrats. how what is the feeling of people in that office right now? >> well, it's sad in some sense, because emil bove also came out of that office and what he has been doing at the department of justice for the first three weeks is an absolute travesty and does not reflect sort of the values and lessons and the finest traditions of that office. in some ways, i think

there are many of us who are relieved to see that danielle sassoon and hagan scotten, who was the line assistant who wrote such a terrific, blistering resignation statement. that was one page. everyone should read it as is what true patriotism is and true apolitical prosecution is, which is the exact opposite of what's happening at the department of justice. and i would just add one thing, jen, that we should focus on. pam bondi, the attorney general, testified very specifically and explicitly that she would not politicize the department of justice. this agreement can only be viewed as the politicization of the department of justice, because charging decisions hinge on political actions. that is, by definition, a political use of the department of justice. so whatever you want to say about the bogus claims about weaponization under joe biden, and let's remember, the only support you have is donald trump

and his supporters accusations. there's no evidence of any of that. everything was either a grand jury court authorized. et cetera. they're just projecting, as you said originally, whatever you want to say about that. this is the politicization of the department of justice in a really bad and dangerous way, and it has to stop, and somebody needs to put a stop to it. and if pam bondi is going to go and just flat out lie under oath, then every other single nominee who remains has to be very specifically questioned about whether or not they are going to follow what they said. kash patel has already been exposed to have lied during his hearing when he said he had no involvement in the purges going on at the fbi, and that there are many credible whistleblowers who have come forward to say that. so this is something that the republicans and the senate have to pay attention to. they are being bamboozled and lied to, and shame will come on them

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he'd find somebody to do the job that she wouldn't do. but that proved to be very difficult, because when it was passed along, at least five other prosecutors decided that they too, would rather resign than dismiss the case. and by friday afternoon, amiel beauvais still did not have his guy. when yet another prosecutor resigned, hagan scotten, who the congressman just mentioned, the assistant u.s. attorney in new york handling the adams case, abruptly quit in protest, bringing the total number of resignations to seven. and in his letter to beauvais, he said, quote, i expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool or enough of a coward to file your motion, but it was never going to be me. of course, beauvais was never going to stop until he found his guy, but to do that, he basically had to hold an entire department hostage. he brought prosecutors into a room and ordered them to figure out who would file the dismissal motion, making clear that their jobs would depend on it, according to the washington post. so on friday evening, the motion to dismiss finally

emerged, signed under the threat of firing by two doj prosecutors. so obviously, one of the stories here is this flagrantly corrupt deal between the trump justice department and eric adams played out in plain view, which is crazy. but another story is the us justice department that is now at war with itself. nbc's ryan riley reported that one federal law enforcement official told him that the response from doj officials to both these actions can be summed up as, quote, go f yourself, traitor. there's quite a quote. joining me now is our friend andrew weissman. he's the former general counsel at the fbi and former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. andrew, the circumstances around this motion to dismiss have been completely insane. but it's not over yet. you have a new post actually out on substack where you kind of talk about what could happen from here. one of them relies on the judge, but what are kind of some of the options of what could happen next to stop this? >> sure. so i think the one

thing that i'm keeping my eye out for is what da bragg, the manhattan district attorney, does. because if this case is dismissed federally, this could be the second time that we see da bragg bringing a case where the feds have essentially faltered because they did so in connection, obviously, with the trump case, and they did so successfully. the second thing is, you know, the department of justice filed this motion to dismiss the charges, but a judge has to approve it. and that is where i think there will be fireworks. matter of fact, i'm pretty confident there will be. and for a number of reasons. one, as you said, you are seeing the extortion scheme or the quid pro quo out loud and a judge does not have to go along with that. to the judge, i think very much will be concerned about emil bove's sort of what i would say is evolving and conflicting stories about why he's doing what he is doing, and he could

ask him to come in and testify under oath. three beauvais has threatened to have investigations of the people who have resigned, and i could see judge ho being very concerned about that. and essentially, if he thinks that they've done nothing wrong, really kind of having their back and saying, i want a hearing where i'm going to make decisions about what happened here and people can, you know, can take an oath and put their right hand up and swear to the truth. final point on that, remember that at the meeting that danielle sassoon said she had with eric adams and beauvais in washington, she drops this footnote that says, guess what? when my people were taking notes, emil beauvais ended the meeting by saying, don't take notes and i want them back. who does that? who does that? so the judge can say, bring the notes with you. >> there's so many things to watch on this crazy case. i

mean, one of the things that's also been striking to me, and i know to you, because i've heard you talk about it, is that he still left the possibility open, that these charges could still be filed again in the future. and it's important to remind people, because it feels like three weeks has been a year that trump had pardoned a lot of people. he could have pardoned eric adams, right. but he chose not to. how have you thought about that? >> well, there's only one explanation. i mean, you know, beauvais has his story about how the case was brought too close to the primary. that's just an absurd argument. and judge can hear from him. what's really going on is they don't want eric adams just on a tight leash. they want him on a choke collar. and you saw on tv it working. and not only did eric adams say, i'm sort of conceding and giving york city over to ice agents to do these kinds of arrests in the

city. but i want to make sure people understand that is against local law. so you have a mayor of the city of new york who is under indictment. he is out on bail saying that i am going to permit the ice agents and with my blessing, violate local law. he has no authority to do that. so the whole thing really stinks to high heaven to put a fine point on it. >> no question about it, a choke, a choke collar or however you described it is quite, quite something to remember. andrew weissmann, thank you so much. always love talking to you. i know you've been explaining this all week. still ahead, the trump administration tries to fire people who oversee our nuclear stockpile, but they can't even seem to find all of their contact information. how awkward. we're back after a very awkward. we're back after a very quick break. asthma. does it have you missing out on what you love with who you love? it's time to get back out there with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks

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>> straight out of the bottle, everyone. joining me now is bill browder. he was a financier in post-soviet russia before becoming one of vladimir putin's most outspoken critics. and he wrote about that experience in the new york times excellent bestselling book, red notice. well, it's great to see you. i know you were in munich for the security conference this week, and i want to ask you about that as well. but there's so much news today coming out about how top trump officials are heading to saudi arabia for negotiations with russia. ukraine has not been invited at this point. trump officials will meet with the russian officials first. i just wanted to start by getting your reaction to that and helping our audience understand how they what what that all means. >> well, i think we should back up and look at what where we are. so three years ago, vladimir putin invaded a peaceful neighbor, ukraine. and the invasion has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths. it's been an absolute economic, humanitarian and political

disaster for ukraine. and now all of a sudden, and i should say that putin was totally isolated by the world, he was indicted by the international criminal court. and all of a sudden, the leader of the free world has talked to him for an hour and a half on the phone to putin. and now is sending a group of people to negotiate with him to come up with a deal, a peace treaty, where one of the two parties in this conflict is not present. and so i would say that this is a particularly horrendous week for ukraine, and it's a horrendous week for anyone who cares about ukraine, because this is exactly what we didn't want to have happen. >> you've been at the munich security conference all week. there's been a range of reporting about the reaction from european officials. not that any of this is a shock. we've seen what trump and vance and others have said over the last couple of years about ukraine, but this is representing the u.s. official position now, which is a different thing. what is the reaction been like from people attending this conference who

are speaking in a very different way about what should be done to help ukraine? >> i think the every single person i spoke to at the munich security conference was in a state of shock. people are still trying to absorb the meaning of all this and the consequences of all this. and what's interesting is i'm not just talking about european heads of state and politicians. i'm talking about americans. and i'm not just talking about democrats. i'm talking about republicans as well. i spent a lot of time with members of congress from both sides of the house. and what i, what i heard was, was, you know, every everybody has a position to support ukraine. everybody has a position to label putin as a criminal, as a war criminal. and what what has happened is, is that the official position of the u.s. government is something different than every the position of every other person who i know and i know a lot of people and it's quite

remarkable. and the hope that i have and the hope that others have is that when trump gets to saudi arabia, sits with putin, he's going to understand that whatever deal he's trying to cut is uncuttable that that, first of all, putin is not going to accept it. and then even if putin accepts it, then how do you get the ukrainians to accept surrender, which is effectively what this is? >> well, that seems like the very challenging part of this. it feels to me like he and vance. i mean, i'm sorry he and hegseth have put out there. basically, they can have crimea. they can have the land that they have captured. the russians have. what else does putin want? and what do you think is you can get into his head and what he thinks better than almost anyone. how is he consuming this at this point in time? >> well, well, you heard john bolton say, you know, they're swigging vodka out of the bottle. i would say they're dancing the jig right now in the kremlin. i mean, this is, you know, they've gone through absolute hell for the last three

years. they were supposed to win this war in three days. they've lost 850,000 soldiers. they've spent hundreds of billions of dollars. and. and they didn't know when how this was going to resolve itself. and then all of a sudden, it looks like it's going to resolve itself in their favor. this is just like sort of a gift, a gift from the gods to vladimir putin. and, you know, but the one thing i can i can say, though, is that it's a complicated story that's not going to get resolved just by putin and trump agreeing something in saudi arabia. the ukrainians have to agree to something, and the europeans have to agree to something. and so to sort of have this, you know, sort of individual one on one negotiation between putin and trump really doesn't get them, doesn't get trump to his, you know, solving this war in 24 hours. it's a very complicated story with a lot of different objectives. and the ukrainians potentially, depending on how the europeans decide things over the next couple of days, might decide to just carry on without

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the doj's subcommittee this week. >> you know what? elon musk doesn't seem to be looking into his own contracts. again, i'll ask you, mr. talkov, do you know how much money a day mr. musk will receive from the federal government for his contracts? no, the answer is $8 million a day. mr. royle, do you know how much the average person in this country who survives on social security? one of our seniors who has worked their entire life about how much they have to survive on a day. >> i do not. >> $65 a day. we're not looking into elon musk's $8 million a day. this subcommittee, chaired by marjorie taylor greene in the house of republicans, is looking into your grandmother's $65 a day. >> i have to say, that is a very crystal clear way to put it for people. joining me now is democratic congressman greg of texas. he's the chair of the congressional progressive caucus. congressman, it's great to see you. i wanted to start by

just asking you. i mean, you pointed out elon musk's glaring conflicts of interest. but when you're talking to your republican colleagues who don't seem to be saying anything publicly about it, do they express any concern to you about the impact his purges are having on communities at all, privately, even if they're not saying it publicly? >> it's sad, but it's true that what's happening right now is that elon musk and donald trump are getting rid of critical services that don't just serve as blue states or blue districts. they service all of america. we need mental health care for our veterans all across the country. there are hungry kids going to school all across this country, and donald trump and elon musk are taking that money and trying to push it through a house republican budget as tax cuts for themselves and their billionaire buddies. and these house republicans, they know it's wrong, and they think that they can just get away with this. essentially, they're not acting

as duly elected representatives of their constituents. they're acting like trump, musk, organization employees. and i think the only way to turn that around is not to just talk to them in private and hope that they find a backbone, but instead for elected officials to come together and for the american public to serve as the ultimate check and balance here. >> i couldn't agree with you more. and the reason i asked you about the private part is because, to your point, and you've described this better than most people, these are actually impacting people's government services and things that impact communities across the country. i mean, one of the ones i've been struck by, and i think you too, is that the gop that this challenge for farmers, right. i mean, gop lawmakers in kansas this week spoke out about this a little bit there because farmers depend on usaid investment to sell their crops. i mean, and there's also all of these impacts on rural communities that are traditionally more conservative but are impacted by this. do you think the impact on farmers,

rural communities and communities could be one where democrats could kind of push republicans to get out there and feel the pain being felt in their districts? >> look, these attacks are on working people all over. and that's why i think we have to organize working people all over the country to tell their stories and to fight back. i mean, you're talking about rural communities that may not have easy access to a health, a hospital. and so these community health centers that are not getting paid, that are not getting their federal contracts, that are not getting their federal money, that's leaving these rural areas that are already healthcare deserts without barely anything. it's closing off markets and opportunities for everyday farmers. and here i am in texas. it was those rural communities that used to serve as the backbone of the democratic party in texas. and so this is a real moment for us to say we are with working people of all

backgrounds, that this is a moment for us to grow our tent. i think the last time that we beat back donald trump, we did a good job at it. but we sometimes narrowed our tent. instead of saying, we may disagree on this or that issue here or there, but if you are a working person that are getting screwed over by billionaires, by big corporations, by big ag, for example, and by puppet politicians, you're a part of this tent as we try to make sure you can make a living. and the democratic party, i think, should be able to hold all those different communities across race, gender, even across some of those social issues, to come together and say, this guy is stealing your tax dollars, the tax dollars that help you make sure that you can get by in a rural or an urban community, and he's paying off his own friends with it. i mean, he's not even returning these so-called efficiencies back to the hardworking taxpayer. he's pocketing it either in tax breaks for billionaire buddies or in continued contracts like elon musk's $8 million a day that he gets off of the federal government. >> it's quite a contrast. i

wanted to ask you, you've been involved. i referenced this a little bit before the break in efforts to hold elon musk companies accountable for a long time, even before he became kind of the president here in 2022, you were to the department of labor to conduct a full investigation into tesla over accusations of wage theft during construction of its gigafactory in austin. what did you learn from sort of tangling with some of these? i'm going to call them anti-worker practices back then about how to approach what musk is going to try to do in this more powerful position. >> elon musk, when he talks about red tape, or that he wants things to be efficient, he doesn't mean that he wants things to be efficient for you. he wants things to be efficient for himself. the time you were talking about, i was actually in local government, and i believe in cutting red tape so homeowners could renovate their house, or so a small business could open. but the red tape that elon musk wanted to cut

when he wanted to build his gigantic factory here was he wanted to pay people less than what they deserve. he wanted to get away with safety violations at his factory. he wanted to gut environmental protections for people that live around the factory. and so it's so important to recognize that we have seen this kind of experience before, where elon musk came into our community, said he wanted a massive tax break, said he wanted to be able to bust unions and not pay people. so you got to ask yourself, is elon musk trying to make the government more efficient for you? no, he's trying to make the government more efficient for him and his billionaire friends. and that is the kind of message that i think could build a broad coalition that we need and say, look, we can't treat the us government. we can't let elon musk treat the us government like one of his companies, or he underpays us and takes our money. instead, the people can rise up and say, no, this is a government for us and by us that can hold elon musk accountable. >> congressman greg, because our very refreshing hearing you talk about this. thank you so much

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