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delegation is in the middle east for discussions on the future of gaza. what they're trying to convince the region to do. but let us begin with doge and news, an irs employee affiliated with elon musk's team is expected to try to gain access to private taxpayer accounts. an administration official tells nbc news the goal is to identify fraud and protect taxpayers. the washington post reports that the system the staffer wants to access contains extremely sensitive information, personal identification numbers, bank information, salaries, and home addresses. the system allows a user to adjust and enter transaction data. and it's raising deep concerns within the agency. on top of that, the ap is reporting thousands of irs workers will soon be laid off with taxes due in less than two months. joining us now is nbc's aaron gilchrist. jacob bugaj,

congressional economics reporter for the washington post. ashley parker, staff writer at the atlantic and an msnbc political analyst. and danny cevallos, criminal defense attorney and an msnbc legal analyst. so i'm going to begin with you, aaron. talk to me about the access here and why doge would want to get into this very sensitive system. >> so this is an irs employee that we're talking about here who's been sort of attached to the doge team that's going through all the different agencies all around the federal government. and in this particular case, our understanding is that he or she is going to try to access this integrated data retrieval system, as you noted, a highly sensitive system that contains a lot of taxpayer personal information. and there are concerns about who this person is and what sorts of things that person might be able to do if they were to access that particular information, without the sort of oversight that we would typically expect and are hired in so many cases of

regular government employees who work inside the irs. now, we've been told by an administration official that this person is doing the work that doge has been tasked with doing, and also has the necessary security clearances in order to access this particular system. we did reach out to the white house for a response to this person having that access and the concerns that have been raised here and the response that we received. we can show you some of it on your screen here from the white house. spokesperson harrison field said that waste, fraud and abuse have been deeply entrenched in our broken system for far too long. it takes direct access to the system to identify and fix it, it referring to the waste, fraud and abuse. this, of course, comes as we know there have been lawsuits launched against the trump administration for several of the executive orders and actions that have been signed up until this point, in particular, as it relates to the treasury department, there's an effort in one lawsuit to limit the amount of access that doge team members have to treasury department

systems. there was an agreement made with the justice department to restrict some of those systems at the treasury department to certain people, and a sort of a read only fashion. and even that has received some pushback here in the last few days. the department of justice has also acknowledged that in at least one case, one of the people who is allowed to access some of those systems, this is we've been able to see this in a court filing. that person took some screenshots of some of that information. and of course, then, katie, that raises the question of, well, if that information has been screengrabbed by an individual, even if it's to share with another person that works on those systems, what else might happen with that information? that would typically be really highly restricted? >> put a pin in that because i want to ask about the legal barriers that usually surrounds that information. danny. going to get that from you in a moment. but first, jacob, i want to ask you a little bit more about your reporting on this. who normally has access to this

system? >> that's a great question. >> and i actually want to revisit something that aaron just mentioned, which is about security clearance. that's a complete red herring from the white house. security clearance is an irrelevant credential to access this information. what we're talking about here is need to have information for tax administration. is this going to help somebody serve a taxpayer or a business or a nonprofit that interacts with the irs? is it going to help them maintain these systems, like from an it perspective, contractors frequently have access to this data. but again, it's on a need to know basis. the irs commissioner does not have access to this system. the national taxpayer advocate, who is the internal consumer watchdog at irs, does not have access to this system. political appointees at the treasury department do not have access to the system. i mean, this is something that's in place for

bureaucrats and for people who interact with taxpayers so they can serve taxpayers if they have questions for the irs. this is not. >> that's a really good point. why don't they have that? why are they not normally allowed that access? why would you keep the head of the irs or any of the political appointees of the irs away from that information? >> they are. >> not interacting face to face or over the phone with a taxpayer. that's what this this system is for. this system is when i call the irs because i have a question about my taxes. whoever's on the other side of the line pulls it up and can see my log of information, my bank information. for example, if i get a direct deposit from my refund, my previous payments year over year, or my previous balances or refunds, the business that i work for, the business that i run, all of

these things that i'm sending to the irs so they have information about me. so they have my financial data so i can do my taxes. a political appointee does not need that information. high ranking officials don't need that information. >> are they worried. that politics is going to get into this? that someone with a political. >> absolutely. >> they're going to be targeting folks within the system. >> yes. i mean, that is a concern that i had heard overnight from numerous people in and around irs. the president in his first term, and ashley reported on this when she was with us at the washington post. and we miss you. ashley reported about president trump in the oval office, musing to people about, why can't we use the irs to go after folks? elon musk has been tweeting about us doing this day over day. that is an acute concern. the primary concern that if this information

got into the wrong hands of political appointees, it would be leveraged against donald trump's enemies. >> ashley, tell us more about that. you don't. you've done so much reporting on donald trump's motivations, the revenge that he desires. how might he want to use the irs and who might he want to target? >> well. >> first. >> as jacob mentioned, and it's a great scoop by jacob and the washington post, my former home, donald trump has used in previous iterations in his first term about weaponizing all manner of government agencies, but including specifically the irs. katie, as you and i know, he talked to his former chief of staff, john kelly, about using the irs to go after his political enemies. and then it was reported later, and there was no way to definitively prove that this was just not the random luck of the draw, as it were, but that the irs did this incredibly sort of deep dive, kind of known as a dead man's

audit of james comey and andrew mccabe, both of them who were very clearly donald trump's enemies, who donald trump had expressed a desire to go after. they both get chosen, allegedly at random, for this incredibly invasive audit. the odds of that happening are sort of astronomically slim. and another reason there's so many reasons why this is so alarming to so many people. but another reason, of course, is you have had elon musk standing in the oval office and musing, hey, we're looking at lawmakers who seem to be living too lavish of a lifestyle, right? which is something that if the situation were reversed and democrats were saying, you know, you have a public salary, but your house seems awfully nice, you know, are you just a good investor in the stock market or are you performing a fraud would be instantly denounced on privacy grounds, on anti-capitalist grounds, from libertarians, from

republicans. so you have doge saying quite overtly, we want to look into people who we believe might have more money than we have arbitrarily decided they deserve. that's alarming. and you have a doge that is serving a president who has made quite clear and has begun to do so, that he would like to use every power of his presidency to go after his political enemies in a in a manner of public retribution. this latest reporting from the post is deeply alarming. >> i know it's a holiday, ashley, but has there been any expression of alarm or distaste, even from any lawmakers that are that don't have a d in front of their name? >> so i to be fair holiday, i have not done a full survey of all republican lawmakers, but what we've seen in these first few weeks is that there is very little willingness to push back

on donald trump and not just push back, but sort of that. lawmakers, especially republicans, are, in fact, far from pushing back. they're actually abdicating the powers with which they are vested. the powers, for instance, of the purse, the purse strings, the powers of appropriation. and in some of these federal funding freezes, what you are seeing, even then, when what donald trump is doing is negatively affecting a senator's state or a lawmaker's district, they're still not pushing back on the president. they're saying, i still absolutely agree with what he's doing. but hey, by the way, can i, in my state, keep its funding? >> danny, is it legal to target somebody at the irs with the irs? >> well, the way it normally works is the irs uses algorithms and computers to first flag someone, and then from there, the human factor comes in and they review the records to make sure whether or not an audit is required. in theory, one person

acting alone cannot singlehandedly direct an. >> audit, just like google somebodys name within the system, or just search someone's name within the system and say, i wonder what danny cevallos has in his bank accounts. i wonder what danny cevallos sent last year to the irs. >> right. >> not to target you specifically with this, but please don't get a name. >> but no. exactly. no. exactly. right. i mean, the system is designed so that computer algorithms, together with human accountability, prevent the situation in theory that you're describing. but since so much of what the irs does is shielded, especially the investigatory part of it, since so much of that is something that isn't really public, it leaves us wondering what exactly goes into it. and could a directive from the white house possibly influence that decision? it shouldn't, but who's to say it won't? >> but if, say, you are finding yourself an under an audit, surprisingly or your information, someone screen grabs it, your information gets exposed, your your home address or your savings account

information or your salary or whatever. what is the recourse for that person? does an american citizen have a recourse against the federal government? >> well, jacob described a lot of the legal aspects very well. and basically not even everyone within the irs has access to the irs system. this sensitive information, and it's a violation of federal law to even browse it or access it without that permission. that could, in theory, go for a tax commissioner who, as jacob pointed out, does not automatically have access to this sensitive information. so federal law protects and outlaws accessing this information without authority. the question is to what degree and how fast can members of doge or someone else that the white house appoints or gets in there be granted that authority? be one of the people that is ordinarily allowed to access this information. >> all right. danny cevallos, jacob, thank you so much, by the way, for bringing us your reporting. just a phenomenal guest, ashley parker, thank you, aaron gilchrist, thank you as

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two things. one, president trump's wish to relocate gazans and take over the strip. and two, to host peace talks between the us and russia on ukraine without ukraine. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel is inside of ukraine for us. so, richard, how's this going over? >> there? >> well, i. can say. >> that ukrainians are. >> very nervous. >> the ukrainian government officials. >> that. >> i've been speaking. >> to are. >> watching this. >> this is not how they. >> want the. >> peace process to go. they do want a peace agreement, but. they are worried that president trump is stacking. this against them. they look at this delegation that is going to hold. talks with russian officials in saudi arabia. you see them now on your screen, already assembled in riyadh, the capital of saudi arabia. this is president trump's inner circle, marco rubio, the secretary of state, his personal envoy, witkoff national security advisor. walts, the people that trump has tasked with dealing

with gaza, people he's tasking now with trying to end this war in ukraine. and the fact that they are first meeting with the russian side, the fact that president trump has already spoken at length with president putin, that the fact that the ukrainians are not invited to this, these talks all gives ukrainian officials a great concern. the u.s. has said that ukraine will be included in negotiations, and later this week, another trump envoy, retired general keith kellogg, is coming to ukraine. but ukrainian officials that i've been speaking to worry that he and their estimation is something of a second tier envoy, and the fact that they are going second in all of this makes them feel that they are potentially being set up to be carved up between between president trump and president putin.

>> richard engel, thank you very much. let's now go to the middle east. nbc's hala gorani is reporting from jerusalem for us. also with us, aaron david miller, former former arab israeli negotiator and senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. all right. let's talk about the other item on the agenda. and that is what's going to happen with gaza. what has prime minister benjamin netanyahu said about president trump's desire to move all the gazans out and, in his words, take over? have the gaza strip, paula. >> well, he essentially is endorsing that idea. marco rubio as well. the new secretary of state in jerusalem yesterday, also calling that decision brave. obviously, you can imagine that with palestinians, this is an idea that is absolutely unacceptable, that international law experts would say amounts essentially to ethnically cleansing the gaza strip and kind of in the more

immediate future there, we're hearing that the negotiations for phase two of the cease fire agreement between israel and hamas is being discussed, that it is something that also seemed like it was kind of on thin ice, but that steve witkoff, the trump envoy who is currently in riyadh, is saying that there will be a phase two that would call for the complete withdrawal of israeli troops from gaza and the handover of military hostages currently held by hamas. this is what he said earlier today. >> phase two includes 19. >> idf soldiers. >> we believe all of them are alive and some others too as well. it includes edan alexander, who of. >> course. >> we've been pressing for because he is an american and. israeli citizen as well. so it includes all of these people. it also includes getting families back. the bodies of members of

their family who have died so that they can probably be able to mourn for them today and in the future. >> and katie, a source briefed on the talks, told me earlier that there are discussions now ongoing for hamas to hand over six living hostages on saturday. that's double the number that we've seen released on saturday. and also the bodies of deceased hostages on thursday. katie. >> all right. thank you. aaron, let's talk about the larger plays here. we saw that hamas said that they were going to hand over power to the palestinian authority in light of donald trump's all hell is going to break loose. and his plans to relocate everybody in gaza and take over the strip. is that signaling something on their part that they're a little bit worried about it? is that reading too much into this? >> no. you know, i think. >> hamas, you would would. >> be drawing. a page out of

his. >> book actually. >> in lebanon that that is to say, pre. >> hollowed out hezbollah. >> where in fact you had the lebanese government governing and interacting with the international community. hezbollah retained its military. >> power and its force. >> as well as its influence. >> among among the shia constituency. i think hamas does not want to govern the gaza strip. governance has become, i think, a burden. >> i think one. >> of the motivations, katie, for october 7th was essentially get out of the governance trap where hamas draws the line. the red line is the preservation of its military. >> force and its fighters. >> and i think it's going to be extremely difficult. >> for. >> the. >> israelis. >> even with american help, to figure out a way to. >> crush hamas. >> they've eliminated. its capacity as an organized military force capable of pulling up another october 7th.

but hamas will remain the most formidable military actor in the gaza strip, content to let others, the egyptians are proposing a technocratic administrative committee. they'd be perfectly fine with that because it relieves. them of from the complaints and criticism of the palestinian population, better governance. but we, hamas, will. maintain our. military capability. >> the israelis aren't going to accept that the americans under donald trump, he's not going to accept that. you have marco rubio in saudi arabia. no doubt this is going to come up. what is the what do you believe the us is trying to do here? is it to actually take over the gaza strip, or is it to get the middle east and leaders like mbs to move, to help try to rethink what's going to happen in gaza? >> i mean, i think that was the intention. >> on the. >> part of the president. he wanted to shake things up. he's a disrupter. so he puts out a proposal that, frankly, tethers the united states to a highly

objectionable plan to either forcibly. >> even voluntarily. >> facilitate the removal of hundreds of thousands of gaza. you validate the fantasies of the israeli right. >> you undermine relations. >> with egypt and jordan, and you send a very bad signal at a time when the trump administration is beginning to negotiations with putin over ukraine, you send a bad signal to putin and president xi that if you want territory, you give a press conference, just announce that you're taking it without any justification. so i think, no, i think the gaza proposal is dead on arrival. i think it may stimulate additional thinking among egypt and jordan and saudi arabia, but certainly not repeat not along the lines of centerpiece of the president's idea, which is to relocate the entire population of gaza, redevelop it, and also prevent them from returning. >> so what is what is the next step here? you are having hamas

release six more hostages, including the dead coming up. there's going to be a second phase of this negotiation. what are you predicting happens next? >> look, i think you got three options, katie. and only three. number one, you have implementation of phase two. i don't see a chance in this universe that the israeli government is going to agree this israeli government to implement phase two. and i see the trump administration basically supporting that that outcome. that's that's number one. that's one option. number two is you draw out phase one. the israelis are already pushing to see whether or not they they could expand phase one to get more hostages out, presumably for more humanitarian assistance to come in and perhaps for additional palestinian prisoners. and then there's option three that the entire process breaks down and you get a resumption of the israeli military campaign in gaza. i

think options 2 or 3, frankly, are more likely. and even if hamas agrees to extend phase one, i think we're headed for some, some, some kind of resumption of military activity by israel in gaza, which frankly, for the hostages that remain and the people of gaza going to provide present catastrophe. >> aaron david miller, thank you very much, as always. and hala gorani, thank you to you as well. still to come, what we know about the hundreds of new layoffs at the cdc who specifically got let go and why you should be concerned about it. plus, as federal workers are being let go across the country, president trump's pick for top prosecutor in d.c. has new plans to staff up. we're going to give you a little background on who this man is and who he might this man is and who he might want around him. tap into etsy for home and style staples to help you set any vibe.

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what would what would a us attorney in dc, what would the office look like under him? >> well. >> i think we're seeing some of that already. >> i mean, a lot of it is about messaging, right? we saw. >> a statement. >> from the president this morning saying that ed martin was has been doing a great job as interim us attorney. fighting tirelessly to restore law and order to make our nation's capital safe and beautiful again. he will get the job done. but just sort of level setting, reality checking however you want to phrase it here, this notion that ed can claim credit for really anything that's happened within the us attorney's office just simply really is incredible. because that's not how cases in the federal system work. a lot of the any cases that have have really started, or most cases that have really started since he's become interim attorney or interim us attorney, were already in the works beforehand. zero successful prosecutions would have been able to be done in that short period of time. but what we have had is the mass firing of assistant u.s.

attorneys who were actually working individual criminal cases in dc, and in fact, had been ready to take on some of these cases involving involving violent crimes. and we're in the training for that. but they were fired simply because they were involved in january 6th prosecutions, even though that was something that would give them a lot of experience, a lot of courtroom and trial experience, which is normally something that people value within the justice system. >> so who is he looking to hire? >> it's a great question. i mean, i think there's going to be a lot of people who are going to be very hesitant about applying for those jobs. you know, this is normally something i think that would be a very close, you know, look at how this process was being done, because obviously hiring people into career roles is something that has long lasting consequences beyond just the next four years. if they are able to get in there two years and have those civil service protections. that's a way that you can sort of root ideologically motivated people within the government system. and i think simply based on the public messaging that we've seen from ed martin, including sort of offering up his services to

elon musk, if there's anything he can do for doge, he's been pretty public about that. and sending some of these other messages home. and importantly, on friday, he actually did something extraordinarily unusual, which is say that covington and burlington, which is a law firm, and jack smith should save their records. he actually announced this theoretical investigation that his office might be conducting, you know, 72 hours less than 72 hours before donald trump named him to that permanent position. you know, i reached out to ed martin to ask whether he had any direct conversations with the president about that investigation and potential investigation into jack smith, and he has not responded. but i think that sort of the framing and the attitude and the public messaging that i think he's really trying to send out here, katie, even though within the within the us attorney's office, it's been pretty, you know, brutal for a lot of people who work within it. >> yeah. ryan riley, thank you very much. appreciate it. and hundreds of employees at the cdc have now been let go, including so-called disease detectors. the

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days ago, on a. >> friday night. >> president trump. >> dismissed the biden appointee, who was serving about. >> one year into. >> a five year term. had been confirmed by the senate. >> and he. got basically. >> a two line. >> email from the white house personnel. office saying. >> he was fired. >> and by the next monday, he had filed. >> suit and. >> asked for a restraining. order to put him self. >> put him back into. >> his job, and he managed to get a version of that. >> restraining order. from a judge and. >> has been restored to. >> his position. >> for the last week or so. >> what's the expectation on how this court, as it's currently made up, might rule? >> well. >> as it's made up right now, this is going to be an, i think, an uphill battle for the special counsel here who's a. >> fellow by the name of hampton dellinger. >> this is a court that has it has. become more. >> conservative. >> has tended to recognize more and more power of the presidency of the executive branch. of the president. as the leader of all agencies in the executive branch.

>> and part of that is. >> having the power not. only to. >> appoint people. >> to positions that are vacant in the executive. >> branch, but to make them vacant by forcing people to resign. >> what's interesting about. >> this particular fight is. >> it is a. statute that. >> set up the special. >> counsel's office that says he can only be removed for reasons of neglect or malfeasance. >> some kind of. >> incompetence in office. and the trump white house has not tried to. >> make that case. >> they're simply saying. >> the. >> president has. >> the power. >> to remove him, regardless. >> of what the. >> statute that. >> congress passed and that. >> president carter signed almost 50 years ago might say. >> if they do allow donald trump to fire this, this special counsel, again, not like a jack smith or robert mueller different type of thing. does that pave the way for him to be able to fire pretty much everybody in the federal government? does he give him precedent to say that this federal government is his and his alone? >> i mean, that's. >> a possibility. there are some hardliners on executive power, people that embrace this

so-called unitary executive theory that think the president should be able to fire. >> everyone in the. >> executive branch. that sort of. >> goes almost from. >> you know, say the secretary of defense all the way down to a. >> postal carrier. >> and you see that in president trump's. >> sort of. ethos and some of the. >> orders that were issued at the end of his. >> last term, the beginning of this. >> term. >> if people have heard about. schedule f and an. >> effort to. >> reclassify career civil servants as political appointees. >> that's inspired. >> by the same kind of theory. >> you know, why should. >> we have civil servants at all? why shouldn't the president be able to dismiss anybody in the executive branch at will. where the current. >> supreme court will come down on that? i'm not sure. >> it may. >> be that dellinger gets kicked out of his job. >> but they still leave some. wiggle room. >> for the civil service. >> i don't think this case will be the one. >> that would. >> bring down the entire federal civil service. that would be a very, very big deal. >> first of what i presume will be many cases that the supreme court hears about what donald

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don't see evidence of a hate crime. so that's a question that's come up not just here in new york, but around the country, as this case has gained attention. they released a statement last night describing that they, at least at this stage, think that's the case because other people involved in this, of those five were themselves lgbtq plus and living with sam in some cases at the time. so still so many questions in this case about how someone could be abused in a motel in new york for weeks at a time and be harmed in this way. but the family is still pushing for answers now, and we know that they're going to be vigils in minnesota and community organizations here in new york, also supporting not just the family, but lgbtq organizations and people at this time, just given the weight of this case and also the political and social environment right now in the us. katie. >> yeah. antonia hylton, thank >> yeah. antonia hylton, thank you very much. we're time to press rewind with... neutrogena rapid wrinkle repair. it has derm-proven retinol... ...expertly formulated...

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