of american culture. i will say. i mentioned there that the political influence is big, because these candidates will see the impression and kind of know how they landed. and personally, i remember just being at home watching with my parents the impressions, political stuff, which was big in my house, all the other great stuff. you know, the hanukkah song, the opera man. so thinking about something that has actually lasted into half a century, 50 years as an american institution, you got to salute happy birthday to saturday night live. if you want to keep up with us, you can always join me on social at ari melber or at msnbc. if you go on instagram. the video we just showed you a clip from with rachel maddow and others is up on there at ari on instagram if you want to check it out. it also includes joy reid, as we showed you, which is fitting because the reidout with joy reid starts now. hi, joy. >> hey. >> ari. >> i know the snl. >> 50 show. it was excellent. >> i thoroughly.

>> enjoyed it. we have reverend al on tonight who had a cameo appearance in it. so and we're going to chat with him a little bit about that. but thank you, ari. >> i'm glad you enjoyed it as well. >> cheers you to see you. >> and thank you. >> thank you. >> and. >> thank. >> you all for joining us tonight. we have so much to get to in the next hour of the reidout, including the very latest on that. passenger plane that flipped upside down this afternoon in toronto, canada, leaving more than a dozen people injured. and here in the u.s, the potentially devastating consequences to your safety and health from the slashing of jobs in. aviation and health care. okay, well, happy president's day, everyone. or for thousands of protesters today, not my president's day with rallies to denounce donald trump and elon musk taking place in washington, dc and in cities across the country. and that is where we begin tonight, exactly four. weeks into the second trump presidency, or. perhaps more accurately, the trump musk presidency, since the world's wealthiest billionaire seems to be calling many of the shots. in

fact, for four long weeks, elon musk's gang of teen and 20 something doge programmers including, in the words of vice president jd vance, at least one racist troll have been running. some might say amok inside our government. and the tally so far for the dictator on day one and his wealthy benefactor has definitely been weird, including two joint press availabilities, one inside the oval office that included musk's four year old seeming to whisper in trump's general direction, you are not the president and shut your mouth. plus, a joint interview on fox in which donald trump tried to dispel the notion that his co-president is the boss of him. >> elon called me, he said, you know, they're trying to drive us apart. i said, absolutely, you know, they said, we have breaking news. donald trump has ceded control of the presidency to elon musk. president musk will be attending. >> a cabinet. >> meeting tonight at 8:00.

>> and i say it's just so obvious. >> it's just obviously weird. and as for what this, this weird two men presidency thing has accomplished so far? well, you know, besides scoring lucrative new federal contracts for musk's companies, including new nasa contracts for spacex and an evisceration of agencies investigating his businesses, including twitter and tesla, with the reported new bonanza sale of armored tesla trucks to the federal government now on hold, seemingly because it was made public. this as consumers are protesting outside tesla dealerships and treating the electric car brand like volkswagens in the 1930s. here is a non delimited tally of what, in all honesty, has been a pretty shambolic start to the trump musk administration. to date, trump and musk have fired or furloughed thousands of federal employees using their blanket ban on diversity, equity and inclusion as the pretext they've gutted the u.s. agency

for international development, leaving foreign aid recipients devastated worldwide with at least one related death. so far, they've infiltrated the treasury department's computer systems, potentially gaining access to not just our social security numbers and personal data, but also america's payment system, something that's being litigated in the federal courts. they've infiltrated and conducted mass firings at the federal aviation administration. nearly 300 employees let go, and the consumer financial protection bureau, which they effectively shut down, although a federal judge has temporarily blocked them from firing even more staffers. and they've reportedly fired election security staffers whose job was to protect our election systems from foreign interference. and in addition to the end to preparing for mass layoffs at the internal revenue service right the middle of tax season, nbc news has learned that an irs employee affiliated with the fictitious department of government efficiency is expected to seek access to an

irs system that houses sensitive taxpayer information. the access would be to the integrated data retrieval system, a system which contains information such as taxpayers, individual master files, taxpayer identification numbers, retirement account information, and details on pending adoptions. i don't know, i don't think it's a stretch to say that no one, literally no one, not even the people who voted for donald trump, signed up for one of elon musk's henchmen to have access to their 401 s or pending adoptions. oh, but wait, there's more. our new attorney general, pam bondi, has essentially shut down all anti-corruption and anti-bribery efforts within the department of justice, and there have been mass firings at the fbi and the doj in apparent retribution for their investigations of trump stealing classified documents and the january 6th insurrection, trump fired the heads of the national archives,

which holds every president's records, including those same classified records. trump was indicted by jack smith for taking home and refusing to give back. i should mention that the archives also plays a role in certifying the electoral college count. he also fired half of the board of the kennedy center for the performing arts in washington, dc, and installed himself as the new chair they're currently trying to fire. dozens of people let go from the agency that secures america's nuclear weapons last week. they want to hire some of them back. the problem, though, they apparently don't know how to reach them. the mass firings have caused major disruption nationwide, with thousands of federal workers signing an early retirement agreement that no one knows. if the federal government even has the authority to enforce. and tens of thousands more are currently in limbo alongside american farmers and businesses whose federal payments have suddenly stopped. and while musk and republicans are claiming it's all worth it

because, you know, the doj's are uncovering lots of waste, fraud and abuse, they have yet to provide any proof. instead, white house press secretary caroline leavitt held up a small stack of papers last week at the daily press conference and said cc receipts without letting any reporters actually read them. and musk claimed they're being so transparent. everything doj's doing is posted on x twitter and on their special doge website, which has such poor security. it was hacked last week. also, apparently someone on the team posted classified information about the number of foreign agents we have around the world, endangering national security. but her emails. meanwhile, the first case regarding the mass dismissals is headed to the supreme court. the trump administration has requested an emergency hearing on their firing of hampton dellinger, the head of the office of special counsel, an independent agency charged with safeguarding government whistleblowers and enforcing certain ethics laws. so we will soon find out if john roberts and leonard, leo's other

friends in the conservative majority on the supreme court, meant it when they effectively gave donald trump kinglike powers in the absolute immunity case. staying on the legal front, trump's former attorney from the hush money criminal trial where he became a felon, emil bove, who is currently the acting deputy attorney general, triggered multiple resignations from the southern district of new york last week by forcing prosecutors to rescind the indictment of new york mayor eric adams, which was described by some of the s.d.n.y prosecutors who resigned en masse as a quid pro quo to make adams help the administration boost their lagging deportation numbers. despite trump's almost cartoonishly villainous border czar tom homan, ratcheting up the theatrical cruelty by making schools, hospitals, churches, mosques and other spaces the target of ice raids, raiding restaurants and construction sites, and shipping migrants to other countries on military aircraft in shackles and handcuffs, and opening a migrant

concentration camp at gitmo, all triggering, triggering international revulsion on the other big promise trump made on the campaign trail lowering consumer prices. well, that's not going so well either. consumer prices are way up with eggs up 15%, gas up nearly 2% in the last month due to trump's trade threats and inflation heating up, trump has been more successful at getting his rather eclectic cabinet confirmed by his republican lackeys in congress. besides bondi, there's vaccine skeptic rfk jr now running our health care. with a measles outbreak currently raging in texas and bird flu showing up in humans, tulsi gabbard is now presiding over 18 national security agencies as director of national intelligence. to the delight of the kremlin and project 2025 architect now duly installed at the office of management and budget and at the fcc, where brendan carr is busy threatening broadcasters who make trump or tom homan mad. speaking of

broadcasts right wing podcast, bro kash patel will likely soon be confirmed to run the fbi. his vote has been delayed by the seemingly endless new and alarming revelations by reporters at mother jones and other outlets about his ties to russian disinformation. tv's doctor oz will likely soon be running the centers for medicare and medicaid, while his son in law just got tapped by trump to run the import export bank, a federally owned bank that lends to us exporters. our new defense secretary, former fox weekend host pete hegseth, made his overseas debut last week to not so great reviews. not only did he reportedly invite a pizzagate conspiracy theorist along with him, his remarks representing america on the world stage sounded like this. >> we can talk. >> all we want. >> about values. values are. >> important. but you can't. shoot values. you can't. shoot flags and you can't shoot strong

speeches. >> you can't shoot values, you can't shoot flags and strong speeches. jesus. oh, be a speechwriter. and then there was vice president jd vance, who you know what didn't fare much better. he got rebuked by the german chancellor for urging germany to stop rejecting a nazi adjacent far right party in their government, and by the pope for twisting catholic theology when it comes to immigration. and then there's marco rubio, our new secretary of state, who has mastered the art of looking extremely pained while casting aside all of his former values and kowtowing to various dictators in the service of trump. overall, in foreign policy, trump has alienated basically all our nato allies, sold out ukraine in advance, started unnecessary trade disputes with canada and mexico, drawn retaliatory tariffs from china, and threatened to invade panama, greenland and gaza to put them all under u.s. control. oh, and he's also gone to war against the associated press. after renaming the gulf of mexico the gulf of america for

no reason whatsoever. so that is the ridiculous part of what the trump, musk kakistocracy have done so far. and then there's the creepy, almost soviet part where the administration has sought to make whole groups of people basically disappear. they banned trans people from enlisting in the army, just like trump did in his first administration. they banned nonwhite clubs and commemorations in us military academies, and the army and navy even deleted pages that showcased women's participation in the military from their websites to comply with the administration's ban on di. so basically, in the new approved history of the american military, only white men have ever served, apparently, workers literally painted over this mural at the fbi's training headquarters in quantico, virginia, that contained words like fairness, diversity, and integrity. can't have that. and over the weekend, the trump department of education issued a directive that any college

financial aid programs, scholarships, prizes, housing and graduation ceremonies that help black or latino students are now considered illegal. in a letter made public on friday, the acting secretary of education accuses colleges and universities of discriminating against wait for it white students. and then there was this very strange pronouncement from trump himself over the weekend, posting on his truth social account and on his twitter account on sunday, quote, he who saves his country does not violate any law. a quote that seems to reference, and i promise you, i'm not making this up. a 1970 movie called waterloo, starring actor rod steiger that was funded jointly by two countries, italy and the soviet union. a lot has happened in the last four weeks, to say the least, and we're going to try our best to break it all down for you with our all star panel on the other side of this quick break. hydrate and don't go anywhere.

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>> and it was the people. >> alexis. >> the people. >> who put. >> it. >> on. >> my head. >> he who saves a nation violates no law. >> and that bit of exuberant acting was a scene. wow. from the 1970s movie waterloo, about the french emperor napoleon bonaparte, in which he tries to justify his dictatorship. over the weekend, donald trump echoed the former authoritarian leader, posting he who saves his country does not violate any law, and then later reposting an image of napoleon with the same quote. joining me now is ruth ben-ghiat, history professor at new york university. the reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network

and host of politics nation on msnbc and msnbc. legal analyst mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general for national security and co-host of the main justice podcast. thank you all for being here, ruth. it is tempting to look at that really great bit of overacting by the great rod steiger and think, this is silly, donald trump is trolling, but there's been a fair amount of alarm. i've seen a lot of even conservative voices really taken aback by donald trump posting this quote that someone must have given him. i can't imagine donald trump knows any quotes from napoleon bonaparte himself, but what do you make of him posting that over the weekend? >> well, first of. >> all, from. francisco franco to mussolini. >> who even. >> wrote a play about. >> napoleon to berlusconi to pinochet. >> many. >> many strongmen have an obsession. >> with napoleon, and they. forget that he ended. >> up on a tiny island, kind of. >> you know, away from everybody. after everything.

>> crashed and. >> burned. >> what they remember. >> is the glory. >> but this. >> is a. >> very dangerous. >> quote, because. >> the old. >> fiction of. >> the strongman. >> is the savior of the nation, and that justifies anything that he. >> might need. >> to do. >> regardless of how lawful or lawless it is. that's that's what he's selling to americans at the moment. >> yeah. i mean, and rev donald trump, you are the one who knows him. i am not, but you haven't written a book about him. i mean, he is very suggestible and it is clear that someone is telling him william mckinley is the president. you should you should, you know, pattern yourself after an empire building president or failed presidency that napoleon bonaparte. here's a quote. you should you should take that in. and he sort of building himself into sort of a viktor orban figure. and he's around people like jd vance and peter thiel and elon musk who have this kind of we need to build a technocracy and get rid of diversity and have this kind of

new south africa, like he's being fed this, right. i mean, these aren't things that come from donald trump's own learning. he's not like somebody who studied history, is he? >> well. >> i think that clearly donald trump has not studied napoleon. he's probably studied rod steiger, the actor, better because i think that he is acting out something that he really is not prepared to deal with. he's not saving a nation. he's trying to reshape and redo a nation that goes back to pre 1950 america with no diversity, no rights for women, for blacks, for people of color, for immigrants, for anybody. and i think the danger of this is that we have an entertainer in the white house that can preach scripts better than he can deal with constitutional law. and we're in the middle of this, and i think that it is a very serious danger to the republic

of the united states. >> i agree. i think many people agree. and, mary, you know, the courts in a sense helped build this. you know, john roberts essentially handed donald trump monarchical powers in the trump versus united states case. he he and his majority supreme court majority essentially argued that donald trump trumps. article three of the 14th amendment that that is it is inoperative when it comes to donald trump. right. so they've made a lot of arguments in favor of his autonomy as a sort of almost american king. they're now preparing to hear this case. this is this supreme court appeal. so the trump administration has asked the supreme court to approve their firing of the head of the office of the special counsel, which is dedicated to protecting whistleblowers. i think that seems key. you know, andrew johnson got impeached for firing secretary of war. do you anticipate that the supreme court is going to continue down this road of adding to trump's powers? how confident are you that they will finally put a brake on him? >> well, i think.

>> there's a. >> couple of different kinds. >> of powers that may get in front of the supreme. court this term. >> this first. >> case, if the supreme court takes this up, and right now it's there. and, you know, in this emergency posture. >> and. >> there are various technical barriers to them taking review of it at this point. but this is one where actually, i would say the government has a. stronger argument than. >> they will. >> in some. >> of. >> the other abuses. >> of power that. we've seen. >> in other executive. >> actions taken over. >> these last four weeks. >> this is a case of. >> you know. >> firing a. >> single. >> a single. >> head of an agency, not. >> a multi-member. >> commission, but a single head of an agency. and that is something that. >> the supreme. >> court has. >> really said is. >> is within the executive. >> powers in. the context of other agencies like. >> the cfpb. >> for example. >> and they've done that recently. >> now it's. >> different here. >> joy, because we're talking. >> not about a single head of an agency that regulates or. >> investigates or prosecutes. >> private behavior. we're talking about an internal agency

that's. >> by its very nature. designed to, you know. >> handle complaints of abuse. >> of federal employees by federal agencies. so it's a very different and it's and it's one. >> it's a very different. >> kind of agency. >> and it's one that. >> when the court did he'll. >> hold in. >> seal the. >> case that the, the. >> president did have the power to fire a, the head. >> of the. >> cfpb. >> they did hold. >> out the office of special counsel. >> as something different. >> so we'll see. >> what they do there. >> but there are. very a number of other areas where the. >> president, the current president, is taking action. >> that violates. >> statutes that were passed by both houses of congress. and he has no authority. >> to. >> do that, even under, you know, the supreme court's capacious ruling this summer, there are times when he is violating the constitution, separation of powers by doing things that really only congress has the power to do, such as withholding funding that

congress has specified to be paid for certain things. so that. >> those are areas where. >> certainly the executive branch is trying very. >> hard. >> to make this powerful unitar, unitary executive argument. and i think choosing this case. >> to be the. >> first one to go up there was strategic on their. part to in the hopes of getting a win. but i'm not ready to say that in all these other areas, the. supreme court is going to say it's okay. >> yeah, i would i will know that. judge tanya chutkan, you know, has has even thrown some a little bit of cold water on some of the state cases about the federal agencies being meddled with. so and this was one of the judges in donald trump's criminal cases to go back to you because the he's doing a lot of work there, ruth, because the he that's doing a lot of the work here is elon musk, somebody who is saying that 60 minutes producers should be in prison. they should be jailed because donald trump didn't like the 60 minutes interview. this is the person who's wielding through his young staffers, access to

our personal data. you know, donald trump has unleashed a his biggest donor to do this work. and the people that are being fired, including this gentleman, he was the guy who was looking out for whistleblowers. they're getting rid of the parts of the government that end corruption or that at least try to stop corruption. it feels like there's a theme. >> there. >> yeah, well. >> this is part. >> of a shift in governance. >> culture to accommodate corruption. >> and that. >> was a feature of trump 1.0. >> but it's on steroids now. >> and in. >> fact, we know from good reporting because we still have a free press that many. of the agencies that. >> musk and co have. >> gone after. >> were having. >> investigations into musk's companies. and there's just a. >> whole. >> lot of self-dealing. and this is consistent with the authoritarianism, because authoritarianism is about taking away the rights of the many and giving the very few unheard of liberties through deregulation,

through dropping any kind of ethical constraints or things that would cause them to be regulated or have conflicts of interest. the idea of a conflict of interest is a quaint democratic idea. the idea of professional ethics, of an objective civil service. all of that has to go. if you are an authoritarian in the. mold of trump and musk at the moment, right. >> and there's a sort of mob vibe to it, too, right? i mean, even what they're doing with mayor eric adams is saying, yeah, we're going to get rid of these charges for now. but if you don't behave, you're going to be prosecuted again. and, you know, this sort of mob thing of you need people to be dirty in order to work with you because they're going to do what you say, right? because you kind of own them. >> no doubt about it. when you look at the fact that if this president or the justice department really felt that mayor adams was being wronged for political reasons, and why didn't he pardon him or i'm not

saying he should have pardoned him. i'm saying it according to their logic. why didn't they stand up and do for him what they did to january 6th? people who were filmed beating people that were law enforcement? the only reason i could think that they wouldn't is they wanted to put a leash on him so they can yank the chain when they want to and hold not only mayor adams, but the city of new york citizens hold them in hostage. and clearly, when you look at the interview that homan did on fox and friends, what the other morning where he sat and talked to him like he was a child, which is humiliating to many of the people that voted for him. you you get a clear picture of what we're dealing with. >> you know, you could almost see the chain he's pulling. mary mccord, thank you so much. ruth and reverend al are going to stick with us for much more on the chaotic first month of trump's second administration.

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76 passengers and four crew. all passengers and crew members have been accounted for, thank god. 12 of the injured sustained minor injuries. what do we know about the cause of this crash and why is it upside down? why is the plane upside down? >> yeah, that's a that's the big question. we the latest update we've got just a few minutes ago is that a total of 17 people have been injured, the numbers fluctuating a little bit because some of the minor injuries are because of how cold it is outside. but there were a few serious injuries, critical injuries. as you mentioned, there have been a few medevacs to major hospitals. the airplanes upside down, that's a crj 900. it's made by mitsubishi now. it used to be made by bombardier. it's actually a canadian made plane, very hardy plane. this was the same plane that went down in dc a couple of weeks ago. but the issue here is that it comes in at about 150 miles an hour, makes the landing. we're not quite sure what happened then, but somehow it ends up upside down. the air traffic control communications indicates that it's upside down

and burning. so you can see they dispatched firefighting equipment immediately because the fuels in the wings. and you notice when you're looking at this picture, there are no wings. so we don't know where the wings are. we don't know where the landing gear is at the moment. so we don't know whether the plane landed and then hit a snow bank, slid somewhere, somehow got itself upside down. and yet they got everybody off the plane. there is one child who's critically injured. they've been taken to the hospital for sick children in toronto, which is sort of the best place in canada to go for your injuries. that was a child who was an infant in arms, which means it was somebody who was not buckled in, who was being held by by someone. anyway, the runway is going to be closed for the next couple of days because they've got to investigate what's going on. but this is a city that's had upward of three feet of snow in two back to back storms. toronto can handle a lot of snow, but this may be too much. and the winds are pretty heavy here. so that's what we're looking at. the winds the snow was there. ice. what happened after after that landing. >> well and you know this is

coming and it is not, you know, a part of this story, ali, but i think people's nerves are pretty jangled because in this country, this plane did take off from minnesota saint paul international airport. but just since donald trump has been inaugurated, we have had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven different plane crashes in this country. separate from this has nothing to do with this. but there is this sense that donald trump is gutting the faa, gutting the aviation safety apparatus, and it's not making people feel better about flying. ali. >> yeah, and look, the two things about that one is that flying is still statistically a very safe thing to do. and number two, the air traffic control here would have been the would have been the canadians, not the faa. but you're right, people. now there's pause because these things are just they don't happen very much. they're not supposed to happen. and that's not to suggest that got nothing to do with donald trump. but but as we're talking about doge running through the government and cutting back and having the elon musk team take a look at at handling air traffic

control, this is not that moment, right. this is not that place where you're looking for efficiencies. air traffic control is super complicated. there are 2 million passengers in the united states, let alone canada, on on lots and lots of flights every single day. it does remain the safest way to travel. but when you i mean, this is the third commercial airliner in three weeks. so there have been other plane crashes. this is the third scheduled commercial one that's very, very, very uncommon. and images like this are very, very uncommon. and they are giving people pause. i will say the flip side of that is that the airports reopened and americans and canadians do like their airplanes, and they do like to get on with their, their business. so it hasn't scared people off just yet, but it gives people pause. i my one last message. keep your seatbelt on until they tell you to take your seatbelt off. because this plane had landed before it flipped over. >> amen to that. listen to your the folks on the airplane, they're trying to help you. ali velshi, my friend. thank you, thank you, thank you. let me go

back to ruth and reverend al. i mean, ruth, the breaking of a government has consequences, right? it's having financial consequences for a lot of farmers and a lot of people who are expecting federal grants, a lot of federal workers. but it also means that you break the apparatus. and if you break the apparatuses, things don't work. and one of the things you really need to work air traffic control. >> yeah. >> well, you. >> know, and when you substitute competence and professionalism for loyalty and when you. >> you know, take away regulation. >> because you want. >> to be. >> able to, to, to do what you want to do. which is often corrupt things or again, loyalty to the leader. >> or the. mini leaders. >> they used to be called the mini mussolini's. >> then you. >> create a. >> governance culture. >> which is. >> is. >> full of mistakes. >> it's the same when. >> you depart. >> from fact based medical research and scientific research. or or how it's connected to the weather, right?

we need accurate weather statistics, and that's supposed to go to and dictators often. they go very early. >> on for statistics. >> they like to cook the books to show that they're efficient. they like to hide things that are unflattering. >> they like to. >> politicize science and statistics is one of them. and so all of this has an effect on competency. and this is why dictators have to have to pump themselves up. they puff themselves up with their personality cults to cover up their incompetence, which is legion. >> yeah. >> well, and also rev, they pump up the cruelty, right? i mean, the incompetency just in the one thing donald trump promised big, which was immigration enforcement. right. they're doing a lot of theatrical things on immigration. but what you really you know, sending venezuelan migrants back to venezuela, putting people in gitmo, even though some of the families are saying, whoa, these people are not gang members, they're just going to get mo, the sort of theatricality of it.

but it doesn't mean that they're deporting more people. they're deporting less people than biden, but they're doing it in this really ugly, menacing way. i mean, maduro has started political executions again, and they're like, go back there, right? and so there's a cruelty and an incompetency that seems to be married together. >> not only is it cruel, it is absolutely something that really adds to the fear of people using air traffic. i fly a lot. a lot of people now are concerned when you're talking about seven air traffic disasters. fortunately, all were not fatalities, but some were. and then you have a president that is so bent on trying to deal with this country in a way that as again, i say pre 1950, he said dei caused the accident in washington over the tarmac because of dei, before we even knew the identity of the people that were handling air

traffic or that were the pilots. and we found out none of them were people of color. so he goes immediately to die before there's an investigation. they're firing people wholesale. and at the time he's saying, we've got to get people out of the country. he then invites people from south africa that are white, and he claims the victims to become part of the country. so we don't have a room for people in the country that are running from oppression, but we have room for people that are white from south africa. but where's the room for them that we don't have room for people that need to keep their families together, that have built a life in this country. that's who's the president of the united states today. >> but before i let you before we end the segment, i do want to talk to you about this. i mean, you you had a moment where you just put it up that you kind of made a cameo on, on snl. and i bring it up to say that and ruth has talked about this before, but i want you to comment on it.

i mean, parody and comedy and being able to parody the autocrat themself, it is important in being able to resist this. what do you what do you make of the fact that snl is still standing, despite donald trump's very loud demands in the past, that it be shut down because it displeases him? because they he feels it's mean to him? >> i think it shows that americans understand that they are dealing with someone that is more theatrical than substantive. as president of the united states and for snl to last 50 years and still remain one of the most watched shows shows, the appetite of americans are not as archaic as this president thinks they are. i really believe that last night's celebration made a large statement to where the taste of americans are, and that is why i think snl has been successful. >> yeah, indeed, donald trump,

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agenda. the administration told the media yesterday that the hhs cuts were targeted and didn't include scientists or people working on medicare and medicaid. well, i know of scientists who got fired, and i work on medicaid. and ariel kane joins me now. thank you so much for being here, ariel. and you give us just a few more details on what your job was. >> thank you so much for having me. >> so i. >> worked at the as you mentioned, the centers for medicare and medicaid innovation, which is a small office within the larger agency. and the goal was to make medicare and medicaid even better. they're already pretty good. they're already pretty efficient, but there's always room for improvement. so i worked on one of the models, as i mentioned in my tweet, the one that was working on maternal health. >> and how did you find out that you were laid off fired? >> well, so obviously i follow the news, and i knew that people

who were in this probationary category, which i was, were being fired across hhs. and so i was compulsively checking my email. and after a run, i logged on to my computer and my colleague had pinged me that she had gotten the notice. and then less than an hour later, the exact same notice popped up on my computer and i had to call my own boss. after receiving that email and tell him i was fired. >> wow. and what did the notice say? what did it say was the reason for your termination? >> so it cited that inadequate performance. i forget the exact verbiage and also that that my role is no longer needed at the agency. >> and do you know how many of your coworkers, how many people on the staff that you were working on were also let go? >> so unfortunately, because of the chaotic way in which how it came about, i don't know how many people across my office across cme were affected, but i do know how many people were impacted on my team and of a

project team of about 12 people, depending on how you count. four of them were terminated on saturday and six more feel very, very vulnerable and feel as though their time is imminent. and so if you take a 12 person team and you cut it by ten, i'm not sure what's left. >> yeah. >> and what does that do? i mean, give me some of the pragmatic impact that that's going to have on people who are on medicare and medicaid, who were counting on your office. >> yeah. so again, medicare and medicaid are already like very efficient programs. most notably, medicare has 2% administrative costs. so everyone is already kind of the people who run the programs are already operating. you know, we have full workloads where working hard to make things run smoothly. and so my biggest fear is that in cutting all these people, these benefits that people rely on. and of course, for me, my program, the program that i hold dearly, that we're not going to achieve the goals that we want. so for my program

for the maternal health program, we were a new program, but we were working to reduce the maternal mortality rate in this country, which is an outlier in all developed countries. and we were just getting off the ground. so i'm not going to say we had, you know, a boatload of evidence to prove that we were going to be effective. but we were working with states to implement evidence based strategies. and i'm just worried that without my team, those strategies won't be implemented and we won't make gains on something that we know we can do better on. >> and regardless of how, i don't know if you want to talk, you want to share how you voted in november. is this what you expected? this reorganization, this search for efficiency, efficiency to be like? >> yeah. so i'm happy to share. i did not vote for donald trump, but obviously i've known since november that he was going to be the next president. and i figured, you know, there would be changes at cme. every administration should be able to emphasize the policies and programs that fit within their agenda. and i was expecting

that. i also thought that our program would be would continue. our program is a state based program. so the our partners, our counterparts that are implementing the work are 15 states, and they include states like mississippi, alabama, louisiana, kansas. these are not beacons of leftist policies. and so and to be specific, like i, i worked directly with mississippi. and so i thought that this would be just like a nonpartisan issue. like we all care about moms and babies. we all want them to be have healthy, healthy experiences, healthy births. and i thought our our project would continue. and to be fair, i don't i don't know the outcome of our project. like i'm just fired. so i no longer have insider intel and maybe it will hobble along, but it just it really makes me sad because i know the work we are doing is so important. and i

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