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>> well, everyone, you won't be surprised to hear because you may be among them. it turns out the american people don't love watching donald trump and elon musk take an absolute wrecking ball to the federal government. i mean, today we saw massive protests right here in washington, dc, and also all across the country. you can see some of the photos on our screen. we saw protests in big cities and small towns and in state capitals. we saw just how off people are about what's happening right now. and who could blame them? i mean, we just learned that elon musk, doge crew, is trying to get access to personal taxpayer payer data at the irs. so basically, the world's richest man and his band of 20 something cronies want access to your personal data. they want access to your tax returns, your addresses, your employment information, your banking details, and your social security numbers. i mean, this is the kind of issue that hits home for all of us. i'm sure it

hits home for you because most of us pay taxes, right? just like most of us fly in on airplanes. and today, unbelievably, there was another major commercial airline incident. a delta plane that took off from minneapolis flipped over when it was attempting to land in toronto. nobody was killed, but at least 17 people were injured. and of course, it's just the latest in a series of air incidents since trump was sworn in. and since an army helicopter and an american airlines plane collided right here in washington, killing 67 people. well, today, just 19 days after that tragedy, we are also getting new details about the trump administration's purge of hundreds of critical air safety workers at the faa. and i'm going to go into more detail also with somebody who knows a lot about it in just a moment. but the larger point is this donald trump and elon musk are screwing around with government in all sorts of ways, in ways that impact you personally and

in ways that impact our national security and our safety more broadly. and in that process, they are teaching us a whole lot about all of the ways that government actually keeps us safe. for example, i mean, when the us military needs to deploy more nuclear warheads on its planes and submarines to defend us, do you know who actually holds the components for those weapons? who puts them together, makes sure they're safe and delivers them to the pentagon? well, most of that work is actually done by the same people who also refurbish old nuclear weapons and dismantle the retired ones. and it all happens at one plant on the sandy plains outside of amarillo, texas, called the pantex plant. it's where the employees and contractors for the department of energy are constantly inspecting and outfitting america's nuclear weapons with high explosives, as well as their cores of highly radioactive uranium and plutonium. all of this highly secretive, highly dangerous work

is run by the department of energy's national nuclear security administration. they oversee the us nuclear stockpile and its components, not just at pantex, but at an entire network of plants, labs and bases across the country. the nnsa does all of that and transports nuclear material on us highways using a highly trained and heavily armed fleet of trucks and vehicles. and this is all overseen by career staff with very, very specific expertise, for some of them, decades of it. it's also the sort of government function that we don't think about all the time. i hope you don't think about all the time, but it's always working in the background. it has to work because you can't mess around with the people who handle our nuclear weapons. well, i mean, at least you thought you can't. >> the latest bit of information coming in from the national nuclear security agency, which is tasked with overseeing and building the nation's nuclear weapons stockpile. their notices.

>> have gone. >> out. >> with termination for. >> probationary employees. >> effective immediately. >> that's right. so as part of its purge of government employees, elon musk and his merry band of young men unilaterally fired 350 workers at the agency responsible for safeguarding nuclear arms components. and almost immediately, they realized they'd made a terrible mistake. >> nbc news has obtained an email sent to employees of the national nuclear security administration. it says, in part, the termination letters for some nnsa probationary employees are being rescinded, adding that officials do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel. >> do not have a good way to get in touch. okay. that's right. under elon musk's eye, the trump white house fired a chunk of the nnsa workforce, and one of the hardest hit offices was the pantex plant that i was just talking about near amarillo, texas. they saw about 30% of the cuts. you know, that's the plant

where employees work on reassembling warheads, one of the most sensitive jobs across the nuclear weapons enterprise with the highest levels of clearance. but now the geniuses who let those employees go can't figure out how to fire the people that had just locked out of government buildings and email. you literally can't make it up sometimes. the director of the arms control association told the ap, quote, the doj's people are coming in with absolutely no knowledge of what these departments are responsible for. so, yes, they are messing around with the people who literally handle our nuclear bombs. that's what donald trump and elon musk are doing now. at the same time, the trump administration is firing hundreds of employees at the faa just weeks after the deadliest us air disaster in decades. those firings reportedly include personnel hired for faa radar landing and navigational aid maintenance, as well as a technician who was working on a critical cruise missile defense radar system. now, as i mentioned, there's already been a spike in serious and fatal crashes since trump took office.

and since the faa's chief resigned, in accordance with the demands of elon musk. and that list doesn't even include the latest that delta plane that crashed, landed and flipped on the runway in toronto. that flight left from minneapolis under faa supervision, though it was being directed at the time of the crash by their canadian counterparts. even still, lots of americans are understandably wondering. you may be, too, if trump's faa is still able to keep air travel safe. does this more firings of critical air safety personnel are underway. so yes, people are. and it is not hard to see why. and as we watch these protests play out across the country, we're also watching a metaphorical ticking time bomb in a country where we suddenly have to worry about the safety of our air travel and of our literal nuclear bombs. starting us off tonight is david spiro. he's the president of the professional aviation safety specialist unit. david, thank you so, so much for taking the time here. i mentioned this, and i know you've probably been answering this question from

friends and family as well. and people are understandably a little freaked out right now about air travel. and we're simultaneously seeing all of these layoffs, these firings that are happening under donald trump and elon musk, as well as what feels like an increase in incidence in the air. i just wonder how you make sense of what's happening. that all happening simultaneously? >> well, thank thank you for having me on. it's been a difficult few weeks, obviously, and our hearts go out to the passengers on on the plane today, the crew, the first responders. happily at the moment there's been no fatalities. so hopefully that that stays the way it is. i think that it's important to note that, that the us air traffic control system is safe, and our members, our members are a key reason why that's the case. we work with integrity. we work with skill, and we have a deep background in how to maintain the air traffic control system and how to oversee it.

but as you pointed out, just this past friday, about 300 folks, 400 people got got the got the ax on on saint valentine's day right out to dinner and enjoying a nice evening and find out they lost their job. we didn't get any notice from the faa at this point. right now we don't know if it's 300 or 400 or 1000 because. >> it could be i sorry, i just want to posit that it could be way more than the 350 that have been reported. >> it could be they haven't. they haven't told us who it is. and for as far as we're concerned, the inspectors and the technicians, they could we have probationary inspectors and technicians that could possibly have gotten the ax, but we don't know that for certain. all all we're getting right now is our members reaching out to us and telling us, hey, i lost my job. and we're we're talking about people that support the entire air traffic control system by virtue of the support work that

they do. so let me start out and talk about aeronautical information specialists. they are a skilled group of people that that create charts, navigational processes, performance based navigation where aircraft can, can fly in a lot more efficiently. it takes a long time to develop those skills. there's at least 30 of them that are probationary employees in the faa that we represent. and quite honestly, if they're gone, who's going to create that product? and the work that our aviation safety assistants do for our inspectors to make sure that they can actually go out and ramp airplanes and check on pilots and airworthiness of aircraft. they do all of that stuff because they have these support groups behind them. >> you mentioned some of the skills, and maybe those are the main ones for people to understand, but for people who are watching, who aren't experts for all of these layoffs, and it was already understaffed to begin with, what is the impact on airports and in the ability

to safely land planes? how should people understand that if these cuts continue? >> well, if these cuts. >> continue, i don't know how far into the bone you can go before you have to start looking at. let's look at let's look at navigational aids or radars or automation systems that that air traffic controllers use, communications that they use to get the airplanes up in the air and, and down to their destination and people there safely. if we don't have the right people with the right skill sets working in these locations, or if they're off doing something else because they don't have that support group anymore, then then quite honestly, we're going to have delays. there's always backup systems, but if i don't have the right person in the right place to be able to restore a system like happened in chicago last year, where we didn't have anyone on duty that could intervene in the automation system, where they were having errors coming through when controllers couldn't tell what the planes were. so we had to stop. we had stops at five

airports in the chicago area. that sort of thing is because you don't have the right person in the right place. now, if we're going to have to leave the work that we do and go off somewhere else to take care of work that someone else was doing for us to make sure that we can do our jobs, then that's going to make it even more difficult. >> there was a team. some of these cuts came at. the many of them came at the order of elon musk and his doge team, and there was a team from his spacex rocket company that was reportedly that visited the faa command center today. now, the faa regulates a spacex, as i understand it. how concerned are you about that type of engagement? and do you think there's a conflict? what do you think of the conflict there? >> well, our, you know, our our employees that we represent have to sign have to sign financial disclosure agreements to make sure they don't have any conflicts. our aviation safety inspectors, they have to make sure that the carriers that

they're overseeing, they don't have a conflict with them. they can't if there's a shutdown hope there, hopefully there isn't. but if there's a shutdown, they can't go and take a job working in the aviation industry that they oversee because that's a conflict of interest. so you have to i think, you know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. >> so i'm so grateful you came in and talked to us. thank you so much for taking the time. i really appreciate it. and coming up, elon musk and his doge crew are headed to the irs. and just in the last hour, we learned they're now inside the social security administration. two former obama ethics czar friend of the show, norm eisen, is standing by and he joins me in just 60s. >> if you're over 50. >> imagine you could turn back. >> the clock on your stiff, achy joints ten, even 20 years. imagine you could do this without products. >> that just temporarily hide. >> the symptoms. >> imagine no more insta flex advanced. >> get a complimentary sample. >> just by texting flo to

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at home. i mean, late yesterday, we learned that a member of musk's team is seeking access to something called the integrated data retrieval system at the irs. and i know that that may just sound like some fancy bureaucratic term, but in plain english and maybe some of you know what that is. it means he's trying to access sensitive, detailed financial information about every single taxpayer in this country. so i think it's really worth taking a step back and asking a few questions here. like, for starters, who the heck is this guy who might very soon have access to all of this information? i don't just mean elon musk. you might want to sit down for this one if you're not already. his name is gavin kliger. he graduated college in 2020 and he has a computer science background. and if you're thinking, okay, he's young and maybe he doesn't have much government experience, but that doesn't seem so bad. just you wait. the two posts currently up on his substack are titled the curious case of matt gaetz how the deep state destroys its enemies, and pete hegseth as secretary of defense.

the warrior washington fears, according to a report from reuters. over the past few months, kliger has amplified white supremacists and misogynists online, including reposting content from white supremacist nick fuentes, who himself has been banned at times from social media platforms for hate speech. so those are the kind of views that the guy who might get access to some of our most sensitive personal information chooses to amplify. now, however unsettling that answer may be, that's who we might soon see all of our data. and that brings me to my next question. why do they want it? and that question is a little trickier to answer, but consider this the irs holds tax information on every american. that includes competitors who are vying against him for government contracts. that includes people who musk and trump deem their political enemies. that includes people in the government, people in the media, people just to make them mad for any particular reason at any moment. in other words, it's a ready made blackmail list of information on people they may want to go after. and if that

wasn't bad enough, the washington post reported late tonight that the acting commissioner of the social security administration just left her job over doj's attempts to access the agency's most sensitive files. that's a lot. and joining me now is norm eisen. he's the former white house ethics czar under president obama and the co-founder of the contrarian. it's great to see you. so, norm, you have a lot of you're on the front lines, i would say, of trying to hold elon musk and the doge team accountable. and i just kind of walked through this attempt to access sensitive information, this time at the irs, which feels very concerning to me. what are the legal roadblocks that can be put in place here? what are you working on? what's next? >> jen. >> since the nixon. >> administration. >> which abused this information. >> the most. >> personal financial data of you and me and everybody. >> worse than nixon. >> doesn't because it's everywhere. nixon was looking for just a few of his enemies.

since that time, it has been illegal for. people to have broad access to this data. this is the latest concerning element, and we have gone to court again and again at state democracy defenders fund filing the very first lawsuit saying doge was illegal. getting an order from the court, blocking mr. musk and doge out of the treasury's bureau of financial systems. those very extensive databases with payments made across the country, and now they're trying to get a hold of irs and social security data. there's no purpose to it. we're not going to. >> allow it. we're going to go to. >> court and stop it. >> well, when are we going to court? not me. you? >> yes, we're going to court every day. tomorrow we'll be in court because mr. musk's operations across all of the federal government, he's a kind of super cabinet member, jen.

the constitution doesn't allow that. if you're a regular. cabinet member, you have to be approved by congress. and this called the appointments clause. he's not properly appointed. so tomorrow will be in court to stop him for that constitutional violation. and we are going to fight this effort to penetrate these tax records. >> i'm grateful. i don't think you need a lot of sleep because you're working very hard. let me ask you, because today there was judge chutkan did hear arguments from 14 states who say the authority granted to musk from doj's unconstitutional. we don't know yet how she's going to rule. it appears as if she's not going to immediately block musk or that's my read. i want to know yours. but what is your take from what you saw today and what you heard her say today? >> well. >> to me, the thing that stood out. >> from the hearing. >> was in the second half of the hearing, when the government got up to argue and claim that mr. musk's functioning was properly authorized, she says, well, where's the proof? and she was

very skeptical of the merits. now, she did say that goes to the merits of the case. and i think she was suggesting that she wants to decide this not on a true basis, but on a slightly more extended basis. the states were right to bring that case. i respectfully agree with the state's position, not judge chutkan, that the lives of our ags and our states are being turned upside down by this government chaos. the questions about airline safety, nuclear safety and many more impacts in the states. but tomorrow will be in court. not far in green belt, greenbelt, maryland. and we're representing over two dozen individual government employees whose lives have been turned upside down. that's what judge chutkan wanted today. that kind of we have that evidence and we're going to go to court. and

we are going to seek start the process of seeking relief for those individuals. and mr. musk is operating in violation of the constitution. we're going to start enforcing that constitution in our latest case. >> let me ask you, it's see, i wonder why it seems to be you're getting a little bit under elon musk's, you know, a little bit under his skin here. he tweeted he x he posted on x about you a number of times today. what do you do about that? what do you say in response to it? >> many, many tweets today. >> many we're showing them on the screen. >> about about our work and our case and me from mr. musk. jen, he's supposed to be in charge of government efficiency. how does he have time to do all this tweeting. i think he's not used to being held accountable. but what we're doing in our cases, the case tomorrow under the constitution. but we also have done dozens of foia requests. i

applied to be a member of the doge. they said, i'm not welcome because of my political affiliation. we filed the very first case of any kind against the trump administration, saying the doge was illegal. right after donald trump was sworn in. we got. >> that treasury order. >> we're holding musk and doge and trump accountable, and mr. musk doesn't seem to be used to that. but you know what? i take those tweets as a backhanded compliment, and they are going to spur me. on to bring even more litigation when necessary, to defend the constitution and laws from the trump musk chaos campaign. >> norm eisen thank you. always a pleasure seeing you. we'll be watching very closely. all the courts are going to be in in the next couple of weeks. we appreciate it. coming up, hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets today all across the country to protest donald trump and elon musk. dnc vice chair david hogg and longtime bernie sanders adviser

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national outcry over these potentially illegal actions. trump over the weekend posted, quote, he who saves his country does not violate any law. it's not actually true. so yes, the president of the united states and his allies are promoting a lawless vision of the executive branch. and today, on president's day, thousands of americans, you can see some video there took to the streets in response, americans marched all across the country from deep blue cities like new york and d.c. to solidly red states like florida and texas, and what one grassroots organization dubbed no kings on presidents day. these protesters, some of whom marched in below freezing temperatures, felt the urgent need to speak out against this administration's anti-democratic policies and against this unprecedented power grab from donald trump and elon musk. it's a good sign. david hogg is the vice chair of the dnc and the co-founder of march for our lives. faiz shakir is a senior adviser to senior to senator bernie sanders and the executive director of more perfect union.

they both join me now. it's great to see you both. and we want i wanted to talk to you because i think it's so important for people to hear what is happening with democrats and all of the movements that are happening. let me start just with the protests today. david, you've been a part of movement politics before. so have you. protests, peaceful protests are certainly a good start. it doesn't change. totally change things. what's next? what do people who are want to be active, engaged? what do they do next? >> well, for me, what i'm thinking about are all the young people that originally mobilized with us at the 1st march for our lives after the shooting in parkland? our country was in a very similar moment at that time where we republicans had the house, the senate and the presidency. we were told repeatedly that we wouldn't be able to create change. and a lot of those young people have now graduated college. a lot of them are, even if they didn't go to college, are now old enough to run for office. and i think what we need to do is help bring those young people into office now to be the change that we've wanted for so long but have failed to create. so for me, that's what i think that that next step is, is to support those young leaders and bringing that new generation. >> you were just talking about

how senator sanders is going to be out there. others will be out there exciting people. one of the things that i think you're particularly good at is speaking in english about the challenges people are facing out there. how should people be doing that about the threats that elon musk and donald trump pose? >> obviously every day they're trying to confuse you, draw chaos, put you in a whirlwind, make you feel like i don't even know what the hell is going on. and, you know, if you focus in, i do think there's an opportunity to show resistance in a meaningful and impactful way. we're going, as i mentioned, senator sanders and i, we're going to a couple of congressional districts that republicans won by the narrowest of margins, by less than 1% in omaha and in iowa city. and there's a few of these. there's like, you know, 10 to 12, 15 districts across america trying to hit them up. and i think if you look at the next three months, republicans are going to have a hell of a time trying to pass medicaid cuts. that would hurt tremendously across their entire districts. head start meals on wheels veterans already being laid off from veterans hospitals, community centers already facing cuts. these are

where regular working class americans need champions in the democratic party, looking to be a working class party needs to associate with those people, particularly in some of these key districts, letting people know that we can peel off some of these votes, we can create enough. remember the tea party of 2010? if you create enough of a populist revolt against the ruling of the billionaire class, i do think you got a shot to take down some of their agenda. >> what i. >> resonate very much with what he just said. what do you think you were talking about? young people and inspiring young people. and they may respond to some of that stuff. what do you think the key messages about what the democrats are for and what they represent are important for young people to hear, because sometimes we get wrapped up in their oligarchs surrounding trump. that's important. it's true. but like, how does it translate to people? >> well, i think what we've got to talk about is what we're doing for them, right? whether it's talking about addressing the astronomical cost of education or whether it's addressing the astronomical costs of rents that we've seen go up so much around the country this cycle over the past four years, in particular since covid. and if we're not talking about those issues, it's not going to resonate with them. if we're just out there talking

like we're in a bunch of, you know, like we're in a master's class or, you know, some graduate school class talking about public policy, it's not going to work. we need to talk about how we're going to be the party of building, how we're going to get back to building more housing, how we're going to get back to building more transit, and how we're going to build communities that young people actually want to stay in and have families. and at the same time, because they can't afford to be there anymore. so i think that's part of it. but more than anything, people need to feel heard. and i think that it is incumbent on the democratic party that we pass the mic to the people that are being the most affected by this. when, for example, in 22, when the pact act was sunk by republicans, i happened to be in dc at the same time i showed up on the steps of the united states senate, where many veterans who were directly affected by that legislation being sunk were literally sleeping out there, protesting to pass. and what i did is i gave them my twitter and i said, tell us your story. i think that's exactly what we need to be doing with these federal workers that have been laid off. and we need to be connecting. when you have your medical care impacted because they're

screwing with so many of these people's employment, when there's veterans that are impacted, we need to make sure people know. that is because of the chaos that donald trump has ensued. but importantly, when we come back into power, because we will, that we're going to govern and we're going to make it right. >> anyone? we would love to tell people's stories. i'm just going to offer our services to that here as well. i think that's such an important part for people to hear. let me ask you both. i mean, there's leadership all across the country. there's grassroots leaders people don't even know the names of right now, their state reps who are going to be future leaders there is in washington. obviously, the democrats are in the minority in the house and the senate. what do you think of how they've been doing so far in pushing back and what what could they be doing more of? >> i would like to see them get out of dc. i know it's challenging because there are a lot of microphones here, and there's federal buildings and there's federal workers, and obviously there's a need to make the case that those federal workers are getting screwed. but the power right now of being a working class party is out there in the country. when you look at, you know, people who are hurt or medicaid recipients or they work at walmart, they work

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it's worth it, because back then, a small group of incredibly wealthy people known as the robber barons controlled most of american life and could basically get a president to do whatever they wanted. the president at the time, william mckinley, was a big believer in tariffs and wanted to expand us territory. sound familiar? we know why trump loves mckinley so much. now in new york city at the time, mayors were controlled by political bosses. corruption was rampant and quid pro quos were the norm, which is also starting to sound a little familiar. well, then some changes were made, and in the new york city charter of 1898, the governor was explicitly given the power to remove any sitting mayor who would face criminal charges. that's obviously a pretty big power to have. and on one occasion, even just the threat of using that power, both cleaned up the city and actually helped launch a democrat back into the white house. because back in 1932, new

york city mayor jimmy walker was notorious for his brazen defense of the law. he was known to award major city contracts to basically anyone who paid him or bribed him the most. and he quickly became a national symbol of political corruption. so the governor at the time faced a choice remove the mayor and risk losing support from the party bigwigs who backed walker, or show voters weakness and a willingness to let corruption run wild. well, that governor's name was franklin delano roosevelt. fdr chose to use his power to stand up to that corruption. while in the middle of a heated presidential campaign, he threatened to remove walker. walker caved to the pressure and resigned instead. now, a few months later, fdr was in the white house. this time around, though, the mayor's corruption is being enabled by the sitting president, donald trump's federal government. the justice department is moving to dismiss the criminal charges against

eric adams, as we know, on the condition that adams follows trump's immigration orders. and in a fiery speech yesterday, adams said in biblical terms no less, that he will stand his ground. >> jesus said, lazarus, rise. >> yes. >> can i. >> talk about that? can i. >> talk about what? >> man guided. >> me and told me to step down, and i said, i'm going to step up because jesus said, if you rise. >> yeah. can i tell you about that? >> so as democrats today beg for someone, i mean anyone to show the kind of leadership that fdr did. turns out kathy hochul, the governor of new york, actually has kind of an opportunity. she hasn't rushed it, though, really at all. i mean, less than a week ago, hochul said, quote, i'm not going to go there about potentially removing adams. but the pressure has obviously been mounting. new york lawmakers have pushed for hochul to act, including congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. and that pressure seems to be moving

the needle because on thursday night, hochul got the same question. but she had a different answer for my colleague rachel maddow. >> the allegations are extremely concerning and serious. >> yes. >> but i cannot, as the governor of this state, have a knee jerk, politically motivated reaction like a lot of other people are saying right now. i have to do it smart, what's right. >> and i'm. >> consulting with other leaders in government at this time. >> so you're saying there's a chance? that's what i heard there. i mean, if nothing else, the momentum seems to be building in a certain direction, because today, four top officials in new york city resigned over the doj's efforts to drop the adams case. so this story is still moving, and it's starting to move faster. our next guest is smack dab in the middle of all of this. new york new york's lieutenant governor, antonio delgado, has already called do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized we needed a way to supplement our income. if you

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his corruption charges dismissed, on the condition that he let the trump administration enforce its immigration policies in the city. and the calls are now coming from inside the house. the new york times reported today that four deputy mayors of new york city serving under adams resigned, citing the swirl of issues around the mayor. but the governor of new york, kathy hochul, has the power to end this and remove adams from office. and the question remains, will she use it? antonio delgado is the lieutenant governor of new york, elected alongside kathy hochul in 2022. he has called on mayor adams to resign, but the governor's office, in a statement, made clear he was not speaking for the whole administration. it's great to see you. thank you so much for joining me. i wanted to start just by playing a little bit of the mayor's comment. >> for having me. >> it's great to see you. i played a little bit of the mayor's comments from yesterday. i mean, he was fiery. he didn't seem like he was sending any signs he had plans to resign. do you still think that's a

possibility? >> i think the most important piece right now is to speak the truth. and the truth is he is compromised. putting aside his innocence or his guilt. what we know is that trump and this administration is doing everything in its power to use its authority, the ability to basically hold a prosecutorial gun to the mayor's head and say, do what we ask you to do, even if what we ask you to do will put new yorkers in harm's way. and that's something that we simply cannot tolerate. and we're seeing more and more calls for him to step aside happen. the top majority leader in the state senate called for his resignation. the number two majority leader in the senate called for his resignation. you had the speaker of the city council call for his resignation. so there are growing calls. and as you alluded to, as you mentioned, you had four deputy mayors, all of whom were brought in when the

indictments came down to help reorganize and clean house. all of whom now have stepped aside and said it was time for them to go their ways, because they've lost faith internally on the integrity of the administration. so there are there's a growing swell of support for what is, i think, the right thing to do in this moment, which is to make sure that we put new yorkers first, new yorkers who are in the crosshairs of an administration with regards to the white house that is hell bent on making incredible cuts to medicaid education, to making sure that we cut snap. these are all things that we as new yorkers have to stand up against. not to mention the assault on our immigrant community. >> no question about all of that. and he is a version of a hostage. the mayor is one of the reasons i think you just said he was compromised, given though he seems pretty dug in even with all these calls. there's one way for him to get removed. and that would be for the governor to remove him, which he has the power to do. do you think he

should do that? >> well, as i've said, you know, i think it's important for in the first instance, everybody who has the ability to do so should say you need to step aside. this is a very, very important moment right now. i can imagine what the mayor might be thinking about, but ultimately he has to be given a chance to think this through and make sure that everybody who has the ability to say something publicly leverages the power and authority that we all have to do so to give him that space to forward, to go forward with the removal process, which is no doubt an extraordinary step. and so i think in the first instance, what you want to be able to do is put as much pressure on him as possible to recognize that moving forward in this current situation is not going to help new yorkers in any way, shape or form. you know, in new york, we have 1 in 5 of our children living in poverty. half of those children are living in extreme poverty. we have folks

living paycheck to paycheck, people literally around corners and food bank lines. we don't need to have an administration in the white house coming down on us without really having leaders on the ground prepared to protect them and do everything in our power to not negotiate with individuals who are out to get new yorkers who are already struggling and who are already feeling disconnected from their leaders in the first place. >> no question about it. and the mayor of new york has an important role in doing being a partner in doing exactly what you said. i mean, one of the and you referenced this immigration. i mean, new york has sanctuary immigration laws on the books, and mayor adams is looking to allow ice to operate on rikers island. we've seen that that is and work with nypd. is there anything the state is ready to do to block ice to? it's not legal. what he's what he's trying to do. is there anything the state's prepared to do to block that? >> well, i want to. >> be clear. >> the law is on our books allow

for cooperation where there's been a conviction. right. and i think sometimes when we talk about immigration and what i think the president and his administration have done is dramatize this in a way and create this narrative that somehow, if you have committed a crime and you've been convicted of a crime, that we don't have the ability to cooperate. that's not the case. instead, what he's done is turn this whole equation on its head and made it seem like, hey, just because you're here undocumented, even if you've been here for decades, even if you're a dreamer, even if you pay your taxes, even if you are a positive contributor to society, you don't have any business being here. the amount of people that i come across across this state. i was just at a immigrant rights group on staten island, talking to a bunch of individuals who are fearful for their lives, children who are waking up every single day worried if they're going to wake up without their mother or their father, terrorized right here in new york through no fault of their own. so let's not get lost in

the narrowing of this conversation. we have hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants who are in new york, who have been here for a long time, who are possibly contributing to our state in a meaningful and thoughtful way. yes, we can deal with the individuals who have been here committing crimes, and we should. but let's not narrow the conversation down to the point where it's only about a sliver of the population, which is not reflective of the vast majority of folks who live in this state. >> lieutenant governor antonio delgado, thank you so much for taking the time. i really appreciate you joining me tonight. coming up, brand new episodes of our new project, the blueprint, are out today. one of my guests is my former boss, who knows a whole lot about democratic politics. and we're going to be right back. >> look at this one under eye bag. >> it's gone. >> there's this. >> side and this side. >> have you seen these. >> videos all over. >> social media and said to yourself, how is that real? it's called plexaderm. >> and plexaderm.

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need to do to win again. now, in these two new episodes, i talk with don lemon about how don how democrats should navigate the evolving media landscape we find ourselves in. i also sat down with my old boss, rahm emanuel, who has literally never held back. he had an interesting take on the kind of candidates democrats should be fielding. one of the things i remember about working for you is you were obsessed with candidate quality. i mean, in the kind of candidates who could win in districts that democrats didn't always win in. >> well, the. >> infamous one is. like he. >> was worried about his family legitimate. and i said, you'll figure out. trust me, if you put priorities on how to take care, be both. >> a father. >> and a congressman, etc. but to the core point, which i think is important because we have a debate about message. totally legit, but we lose sight that the messenger is also a message. you want candidates when you have gerrymandered districts

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