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acting commissioner puts in her papers after refusing to give doege access to the agency's most sensitive data and records. ahead, how the white house is responding to the growing pressure. plus, american and russian diplomats at a roundtable in riyadh, saudi arabia, today hammering out the future of a possible peace plan for ukraine. but notably, no ukrainian or european officials were in that room. good day. i'm ali vitali in washington. we are currently awaiting an update from officials on the investigation into that terrifying plane crash that happened yesterday in toronto. you're seeing the podium there as we wait, but this comes as shocking. new video shows the delta airlines flight as it made that hard landing. here you can see flames erupt as the jet hits the runway and the body of the plane then rolls over. incredibly, all 80 people on board, including four crew members, survived and were able to evacuate the upside down

plane. 21 passengers were hospitalized. thankfully, none of them critically injured, and only two now remain under observation as of this morning. joining me now is nbc news senior correspondent tom costello and nbc news aviation analyst john cox. tom, first to you. what are we learning from this new video? and as we await, await this news conference? what do investigators might what might they have found so far? >> yeah. and by the way, we believe it will be the airport authority that holds the news conference there in toronto momentarily. listen, i think this video that you just aired is going to be critical for the investigation and may be the most critical piece of evidence thus far, because it clearly shows that this plane came in for what appeared to be a normal landing, suddenly hits hard. and then right there you see that the right wing breaks away. it appears the landing gear gave way on the right side at least. and then, as you know, fuel is stored on the wing. and very quickly we had a fire break out. that will be a very big lead for

investigators as they get hold of the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder, trying to determine the sequence of events. did the wind play any role? there were gusts of winds, some, some reported to be up to 40mph. did the plane come in too hard? too steep? we simply don't have those answers and that will be a part of the investigation. and then separately, of course, was there any sort of a mechanical problem? there's also going to be an awful lot about the heroics of the flight attendants, who did a marvelous job of getting everybody out of that plane quickly. imagine you are a flight attendant and you practice for an emergency. but certainly to be in one is a whole different thing. you're upside down. everybody is upside down, buckled in, and you've got to get them. you got to have the presence of mind to stay calm, get them up and out. tell them, don't take your bags and look at the other flight, the other passengers helping to get people out of the plane. that is a classic textbook case of an

evacuation. and then separately, i would tell you that i think the fire response is going to go down as a classic response of firefighter rescue equipment on the scene. they were the rule is you got to get to a crash within three minutes on the runway. and i don't have the stopwatch for this, but they were putting foam on that fire very, very quickly. clearly, that also prevented anybody from suffering a serious injury and god forbid, even being killed. so while something clearly went wrong, a lot went right to ensure that everybody survived. and as you mentioned, out of the 21 injured, 19 have already been released. >> yeah. tom pulling on a lot of threads there, john, that i think we need to explore. because specifically, when you look at the wing tearing off upon impact, we saw images of that plane that show possibly that there might have been a skid mark there. is there any insight that you can see now that we've gotten this new video? because you and i were on earlier together this morning, and there were a lot of questions about was it wind? was

it something else? it seems like the runway was dry, according to the fire chief, and that there were no crosswind conditions. they say, when that plane overturned. so what have these last few hours brought to your attention? >> well, one thing we need to make a correction on the fire chief's assessment of crosswind. there was, in fact, crosswind. i pulled up the weather and there was about 20 knots component of crosswind. so this is something that would have been a challenge for the crew. the approach. tom costello is correct in that the approach looks very normal. what doesn't look normal is the how the airplane actually touches down. it's pretty firm, and a couple of passengers have been interviewed and said that the airplane hit the ground with a pretty good force. investigators are going to look at that. that is a recorded parameter on the digital flight data recorder. so they'll know exactly how hard the airplane touched down. and that may be one of the keys into

understanding why that right wing broke away from the aircraft. the initial fire was because that fuel out of that wing was vaporized. and as the airplane skidded along, it created an ignition. the crash, the airport fire, rescue people. they were right there. and they are in part why the evacuation was so successful and the training of the crew. all of these things came together to get those 80 people off of that airplane. >> and as we wait to hear from the toronto pearson president and ceo, deborah flint is who we expect to show up at that podium that we showed you earlier. but as we wait for that, john, this latest crash marks the fourth major aviation incident in north america in just the last three weeks. we're learning about significant layoffs at the same time at the faa, as part of the trump administration's efforts to cut the federal workforce. now, that wouldn't have impacted this latest incident, since we're talking about something that happened in canada. but

after a string of incidents like this, how could cuts to the faa impact the agency's ability to keep the skies safe? >> well, i think first we've got to draw the conclusion that there is no common linkage between these accidents. i've looked at all of them, and there there just isn't. the midair collision in washington between the jet and the military helicopter that's under intense investigation. when you look at the northeast philadelphia medevac learjet. that's a very strange accident. there aren't many much in the way of answers there yet. the nome, alaska airplane, that was the single engine airplane in very, very inclement weather. and now this one in toronto. there is no linkage here regarding the cuts at the faa. we have an older air traffic control system. it has suffered from funding issues for many, many generations. and as a result, we need a significant

number of highly qualified maintainers. those some of those were people that got cut. and i think the issue is going to be one of capacity as much or more than safety. the result is if the system can't take the new airplanes, additional airplanes, then they're going to cause flight cancellations and delays. so i think that that is one of the effects that we could be looking at by faa personnel cutbacks. >> yeah. so important to try to forecast what those cuts at faa could mean as we monitor the skies and this specific instance out of canada. tom costello, as we continue to wait for that press conference to begin, what are you looking to what are you looking for? what are you listening for? >> let me just if i could pick up on something, john said, i do think it's important to note that the faa is the. the transportation secretary says that they have already cut nearly 400 jobs within the faa, but they insist that these are

not safety related jobs. however, as john said, they are focused on maintaining the existing air traffic control system that is antiquated. the other point i would make is that congress always says that we need the faa to do this. we need a better, you know, an updated modern atc system. they've been saying that for decades, but they haven't ponied up. and you know what? it's if i could editorialize, if congress wants to spend the money, they will get a modernized atc system. but typically for years, the faa has asked for money to modernize atc, and congress never gives them enough. so i think there's a lot of, you know, concern going around here that there's a lot of talk about, let's upgrade the system. it's going to cost a fortune, and congress this time needs to pony up and pay for it. as for what we expect out of the air traffic control and the airport update, we expect that they're going to probably announce a status update on investigators being on the scene, on reopening the runways there in toronto, and also hopefully an update on the

injuries. and as we said, thankfully 21 injured but 19 already released. >> tom costello, so thankful for your experience and your expertise at the intersection of aviation and policy making. so grateful for that analysis. and john cox, thank you so much for joining us. in just 90s, what's being lost as trump's team takes a slash and burn approach to trimming the federal bureaucracy and the general impact trump's cuts will have on our government for decades to come. you're watching msnbc. >> when i go to the salon, i'm not just getting my nails done. i'm also getting the best gossip, like how tanya broke up with her boyfriend because he got busted. or that my girl chelsea has still not called carshield for her out of warranty vehicle. carshield offers plans that pay for repairs on up to 5000 parts of your car. because we all know it's not if your car is going to break down, but when. and you got to call carshield before your car breaks down like

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chaser. bissell a new breed of clean. >> here's what tens of thousands of federal workers received in their inbox in recent days. quote. you've not demonstrated that your further employment would be in the public interest. agency heads have until 8:00 tonight to report which of the nation's 200,000 probationary employees were fired in a six day unilateral purge to cut the size of the federal workforce? the department of homeland security is also in line for additional cuts, but not for the same reason. in an nbc news exclusive, three sources say the administration is planning to fire hundreds of high level workers at dhs if they refuse to get on board with the administration's goals. those workers are now trying to get access to personal social security data, too, including bank account information, how much you've earned your marital status, even certain health records. the agency head, michelle king, refused to give her okay to those workers ahead

getting that kind of data. and then she resigned. joining me now is nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett hake, washington post white house reporter jacqueline alemany and boston globe columnist kimberly atkins. store. she's also the co-host of the sisters in law podcast app right now. garrett, start with you. what more do we know about this major resignation at the social security agency? and what kind of pressure is being put on the white house now in response? >> well, ali, this comes as we've seen similar dramas play out at other agencies where what's happening is staffers who are affiliated with d.o.j. are on boarding at these different agencies, becoming essentially employees of the social security administration or the irs or what have you, and then attempting to gain access to some of these sensitive systems that contain a lot of data about you and me and taxpayers and, you know, benefit recipients all around the country. they have received varying degrees of pushback around the government, particularly as they've approached more of these sensitive systems that, of

course, control more of where the federal government's money goes. we've heard a lot of talk from folks in and around the administration about the reason they are pursuing these tactics. listen to some of what we heard just the last few days. >> they haven't dug into the books yet, but they suspect that there are tens of millions of deceased people who are receiving fraudulent social security payments. >> you know, there's crazy things like just cursory examination of social security. and we've got people in there that are 150 years old. now, do you know anyone who has 150? i don't. >> i don't either. ali. but a deeper dive into the books would have shown as it showed the last people to do it. the inspector general's office, who completed an audit just last year. while there are dead people on the social security rolls, they are not receiving tens of millions of dollars in payouts. in fact, the total fraud estimated across the last eight years or so from the social security agency is less than 1%. so some of this,

you know, there is certainly money coming out of these systems that needs to be fixed. i think this is something that the administration says doge is in there looking for, but they are sort of putting out on the table these claims about enormous fraud before finding the evidence to support it. >> yeah, that's exactly right. and we're actually going to talk to someone who, until recently was the head of the social security administration. we'll ask him about those exact claims from the white house. but, jackie, to you, these probationary firings are going to have a major impact on the next generation of government employees. talk about what's being lost by letting go tens of thousands of recent recruits from these key roles. >> yeah. >> ali, i think what we're losing here is a lot of institutional knowledge about the way that our government, as it, as it has in the past, worked and potentially going forward, especially if you look at the disincentives now to apply to any sort of federal jobs and the future jobs that are being eliminated here. now,

some of these probationary employees have recently been hired and brought in to the federal government in expanded offices and workplaces that that were created under the biden administration. but some of these probationary employees are people who have simply potentially switched agencies or or have recently switched roles and have only been in that role for a certain amount of time, but have potentially served in the federal government for decades on end. it's going to severely impact the way, again, that these agencies are able to do business on a day to day basis. not to mention sort of the chaos that is currently happening and unfolding in these agencies at this very moment and affecting and impacting the ability for people to do their jobs and keep things going. there's also the fact that these cuts have been quite sweeping and not the most targeted, which has caused some of these firings

to be undone once officials have realized that actually some of these jobs have been really essential and that has spanned again across government agencies, we also know that the firings are going to continue past these probationary lists of employees. my colleagues obtained documents from doge associates this weekend that showed that they're not only going to move past just targeting dei diversity, equity and inclusion efforts, but now going even as far as expanding to offices that litigate employment discrimination and issues that are sort of adjacent to dei initiatives. >> really important and impactful reporting there. and then, kim, what we thought was at the center of all of this was elon musk. but we've apparently found out through the trump administration telling a court that elon musk is actually not the head of doge. he's just an advisor here. we should note the president is going to be on fox news tonight along with musk.

but what is the impact of this new filing saying he's not actually the guy in charge? and also, why has he been acting like the guy in charge all this time then? >> well, i think it's evidence that the white house is finally understanding the constitutional problem that they have with elon musk. the constitution requires that anybody who is in charge of a federal agency like this be senate confirmed. and elon musk was not. so now they're attempting to say, no, no, he is merely a white house senior adviser. he doesn't really have any role here. this goes against everything that elon musk himself has said, against many things that president trump himself has said, and elon musk's own twitter feed, where he proclaims that he is the one, quote unquote, deleting folks in these agencies. but this will be important once you get to a court. once a court starts looking into these challenges, into those actions, because if he's acting in a way that is extra constitutional, this is supposed to be a role set up for

congress. congress passed a law as to how this is supposed to happen, and he's flouting it. but if he's working from the white house and still doing this work that's constitutional, that's unconstitutional as well. so which way is he breaking the constitution? the white house seems to still be trying to figure that out. >> garrett. wasn't it the prevailing view that musk was in charge of this? where did this come from? >> himself during the transition of appointing musk and vivek ramaswamy to lead this doge effort? but i think at the end of the day, it's important to remember that under whatever name, these are administration policies being conducted by the trump administration. and so elon musk, to use a spacex term, has been something of a useful heat shield for the administration to the degree we've all been focused on him as the person behind this. to kimberly's point, at the end of the day, it is only the federal government that can fire these federal employees that ultimately lands at the president's desk, not elon musk's. >> an important point there from garrett haake at the white house, jackie alemany and kimberly atkins store. thank you

for joining us. and joining us now is former maryland governor martin o'malley. most recently, though, he was the social security commissioner under president biden. that's exactly why i wanted to talk to him today. so, governor, when we talk about d.o.j. accessing social security data, what's your understanding of what they want access to exactly? >> well, i'm not sure. i don't even think they know what they want exactly. i mean, every day they. >> could they get access to. >> well, what they could get access to is personal identifying information. yours? mine. you know, where we live, what we've earned, what our benefits are, who we live with. i mean, all sorts of personal identifying information that is actually a crime to browse. in fact, when i was the commissioner, president biden's commissioner of social security, if an employee was browsing personal identifying information without any, you know, claimant business purpose to it, they would. that was a firable

offense and frequently something that we would refer people to. the office of inspector general for criminal prosecution. of course, the co-presidents, musk and trump have done away with the inspector general's. all of the agencies. so it's hard to say where that would be referred, but i'm not sure exactly what they want. but i do know is that they're according to reports, there were people, career civil servants who resigned rather than become accomplices in going through people's personal identifying information. now, what they ultimately want to do with it? who the hell knows? i don't think they know. they have a bunch of, you know, 19 year old nitwits up there from doj's that are rummaging around and personal data. what the endgame is, i'm not really sure. it is already, you know, social security is already the most efficient insurance corporation in private or public sector in

america today. we they operate with a 50 year low in staffing on less than 1% overhead. so who knows what they're up to. it can't be. >> the white house is saying and garrett alluded to this, is that they're doing this to root out fraud. that's that's the reason that they're throwing out there. but there is an inspector general report from 2023 that says improper payments are less than 1% of payouts. internal estimates put it at about 72 billion over eight years. so about 9 billion a year. it's significant. but it's actually a small percentage. is that the real fraud? like what are they chasing here? >> i don't know exactly what they're chasing. you know, when i was commissioner, we would gather the deputy commissioners around the same table. and every two weeks, on an agile basis, we would look at what the biggest threats of fraud were and how we can deter, prevent, get in the way of that fraud. what we found when we were there, when i was there, is that the biggest threat was actually people who are trying to, you know, steal

people's identities in order to kind of hijack mrs. kozinski's check and send it to a different bank account. so that was the biggest instance of fraud that we were looking at. it is a large agency. so any sort of any sort of overpayment underpayment mistake can have large, large numbers to it. but as you pointed out yourself, you know, the percentage compared to the size of the agency and the number of people who depend on social security as a lifeline is actually pretty small. in fact, unlike the department of defense, year in and year out, social security gets a clean audit from, you know, this year, last year, i think it was ernst and young who was hired to do the audit. and every year they receive the award from the association of government accountants because of their openness, their transparency, their clarity of their

reporting. >> so i think you bring up there, governor, something that's really important, which is that doge or the trump administration are not the first people to look through and make sure that this agency is functioning and paying out money to the people that it's supposed to. most recently, that job fell at your feet, or very recently rather. so i think as people are looking at this, reporting around what might be happening within social security, what would you say to people who are on that program watching this, looking at that, reporting, what should they do here, if anything. >> with they being they being whom the people that. >> they being people who are on social security, who are on social security. >> oh, i think we should all be anybody who depends on social security. and there are many i mean, half of all seniors living alone depend entirely on social security. so these these guys or men and women from, from from doge, i think they have no idea of how fragile this agency is. i mean, social security today

serves more customers, active beneficiaries than ever because the baby boomers like me now being in the ranks of the retired. and yet because of house republican cuts, they are doing so with staffing that's already been reduced to a 50 year low. so the biggest threat to social security right now is that the co president, elon musk and donald trump, drive 10,000 people out of the agency. and those benefit checks get interrupted. that's the greatest threat to social security. now the other stuff they spew out there about zombies getting checks and 200 million dead americans getting checks, all total horse hockey. not true. but what is true is that they can crater this agency. they can do it very quickly, and they have likely no idea how fragile this already depleted and overworked agency is. they're about to find out. >> they're an important morning. >> find out. we're all about to

find out. >> governor martin o'malley, thank you for joining us today. i want to turn back now to the press conference that we were awaiting at the top of the hour. toronto pearson, toronto pearson president and ceo deborah flint is addressing the media now on the delta plane crash. she's about to speak, but we'll listen in to the preamble before she comes in. >> toronto pearson ceo deborah flint, who will take a couple of questions after her remarks. following that, our first responders are available to also answer some questions. thank you. >> thank you, karen, and good morning to all. we are providing a third update this morning on yesterday's events as the accident transitions to the investigation phase, and i will share more on that investigation phase and what to expect shortly. first, however, it's really important to recognize how grateful we are that there is no loss of life or life

threatening injuries in yesterday's accident. you know, every time you board a flight, you are greeted by flight attendants and by flight crew. often it's their job to make us comfortable and confident about the flight ahead, and they do an incredible job with that. but we saw the most important role that they play in action yesterday. the crew of delta flight 48, 19, heroically led passengers to safety evacuating a jet that had overturned on the runway on landing. that was amidst smoke and fire. i thank each and every one of these heroes. every flight attendant and crew member on delta flight 4819. i also thank every flight attendant and crew member across the industry. thank you for all that you do every day and every night in service of safe air travel. in regards to the accident, yesterday at approximately 2:15

p.m, delta air lines flight 4818 from minneapolis to toronto, operated by subsidiary endeavor air, was involved in a single aircraft accident upon landing at toronto pearson. the plane was carrying four crew and 76 passengers, among them 22 canadians. flight attendants, flight crews and airport emergency workers and responders mounted a text book response, reaching the site within minutes and quickly evacuating the passengers. at the time, there were 21 injured passengers, ranging from minor, minor to critical but not life threatening injuries. a total of 19 passengers went to the hospital local hospitals, with two more going to hospitals in the time period after. at this time, delta air lines has reported that 19 of those passengers have been released and two remain hospitalized. our thoughts go out to all of the

passengers impacted and their families. we have taken great time and care to extend care to each of the passengers that were here after the accident. that includes comfort as well as support in their emotional well-being. in the hours since the crash. we have completed the reunification process for all of the remaining passengers, and we will continue to care for them during this extended time. i will now give you more information about the operations at pearson yesterday, and what to expect in the days ahead. from last thursday to sunday, toronto pearson saw extreme conditions. two separate snow storms on thursday and sunday. we got more than 20in, 50cm of accumulated snow. that is actually not typical. in fact, it is more snow. within that time window than we received in all of last winter. there were many delays and cancellations

across this part of canada and the u.s. northeast during this time, creating numerous flight delays and backlogs at toronto. pearson. 221 of 974 scheduled flights were canceled on thursday. 75 of 1012 flights scheduled flights were canceled on friday, 128 of 937 scheduled flights were canceled on saturday, and 371 of 987 scheduled flights were canceled on sunday. monday was a clear day, though, and it was an operational recovery day for toronto pearson, with 1006 scheduled flights. the results yesterday, in due part to the accident, were 462 scheduled flights canceled and 544 flights operated. let's now talk about the investigation and what to expect in the next few days as

we pivot to this phase. last night, seven members of the transportation safety board of canada arrived at toronto pearson to begin the investigation. 13 more of those investigators arrived today. members of the us federal aviation administration are also here on site, participating in the investigation, as it is a mitsubishi aircraft. mitsubishi will be here on site as well, and delta airlines has sent their go team who are already here on site. so what does this all mean for operations at toronto pearson today and in the days ahead? our emergency operations center does remain open, though operations on the runways resumed at 5 p.m. eastern time yesterday. we have been in recovery mode since resuming flights at 5 p.m. yesterday, catching up on delayed flights, and that continues into today as well. we are currently without use of our longest east west and north

south runways. this and ongoing expected additional weather conditions today will affect how fast we recover operations, particularly with departure of aircraft. we do expect that the investigators on site will be reviewing the aircraft on its current configuration on the runway for the next 48 hours, and we are looking to get to support that investigation and the removal of that aircraft off the runway, at which point we can do our inspections and then return that runway into service. toronto pearson will continue to provide you all with operational updates, but this is now an active investigation time, and you can expect to start hearing more from the investigating authorities about the accident that happened here. we expect that the transportation safety board of canada will be issuing a statement with more information around that later

this afternoon. in closing, i thank the industry, the community and all of our employees here and across the sector for all the work that they are doing tort ts incident and those affected and that they do every day. air travel remains the safest form of transportation. we are proud of that record here, and at times like these, we're very grateful and thankful of how the community and the industry comes together as one. thank you. >> we'll now take a few questions. folks who maybe can come up to the mics if possible, or if there's a mic in the audience. okay. >> sure. hi there, alex caprariello with news nation. a question about the conditions yesterday. obviously, you just explained the extent of the snowstorms that came over the past few days. wondering if there's been any developments or

any comment about what exactly it was like on the runway in terms of iciness or wind gusts? last night we heard the fire chief say that he did not believe that that played a role in this crash at all. is that still the theory here, and if so, do we have any developments on what caused the crash if it wasn't weather related? okay. >> yeah. this this would not be a time for us to have theory or to speculate on what caused the crash. so as i shared, you know, we have a number of agencies that are here that are responsible for doing a thorough and full and complete investigation to determine all the causal factors. and we are looking forward to getting those results and to sharing those. and those will be shared very publicly once they are received. >> and i understand that if you don't want to speculate about the crash, but can you tell us then what the condition of the runway was like at that time of the of the impact? i mean, was it slick? have your teams been able to determine that? >> i look forward to sharing all of that information at the proper time. again, that is all

that those are all the details that are going to be covered during this investigation and that is active currently there. >> aside from the new york times, i have one question and a follow up. does air traffic control handle crjs differently than other aircraft in crosswinds? >> the air traffic control is responsible nav canada, for all of the aircraft activity here at toronto, pearson and in the surrounding areas. they will have to respond differently themselves as to how they manage those aircraft uniquely. >> and how do you decide to pause operations because of wind and who makes that decision? >> that is a collective decision that is made between nav canada and the pilots during live operations. we are not pausing operations. we do have a slowdown in the operations due to two of our runways being closed for operations at this time, and those are the key contributing factors to the delays. >> last question. there's no delta or tsb representatives on the stage with you right now.

are you able to speak to why they're not present? >> we've been very much in communicative communication with all of those involved, all of the agencies, delta airlines and others. we've all had quite extensive communication. they've been in our eoc, our emergency operations center. so the system and the response to the accident is working as planned and going quite well with our partners. >> john morrow with the associated press. two questions. one is the two people who remained in the hospital. any timeline on how long they may remain? >> i do not have that information. >> are they? do you know what condition they're in? >> what we do know is that, again, 19 of those that were hospitalized are no longer hospitalized. the two that remain none face life threatening injuries. from what we have been briefed and what delta airlines has released as well. >> and just finally, deborah, given what we saw from all the videos that are on social media, and i'm sure what you've seen internally, how is it more

remarkable that everyone was able to you, that everyone was able to, you know, survive this incident? >> there are so many factors that lead us to have gratitude today. again, i cannot commend enough the crew, the flight attendants, pilots and our emergency responders for their quick and effective response. it's really, really incredible. and when you see that aircraft, it just makes you really thankful for all the safety checks that go into running this one of the world's safest air transportation systems. thank you. so. >> okay. we'll take questions now from the first for the first responders, please. >> good morning. momen qureshi from six news radio. my question really is last check. the wreckage was still out there on the runway. i just wanted to know if we know how long that will be out there and what kind of impact that's having on service here at the airport. yeah, yeah. >> so as i shared, yes, that the

remains of the aircraft will remain on the runway while the investigators are performing their reviews. we expect that that could be about 48 hours. and so until that time, two of our runways will remain closed. and that is affecting the volume of traffic that we're having. so passengers should be looking and working with their airlines, checking our website for information on delays and potential cancellations as well for the next several days. >> just as a follow up to that, then, i've been upstairs, as many of us have, talking to passengers and many of them, most of them, all of them really are understanding of the ripple effect, but are extremely frustrated by the lack of information or conflicting information. so just what do you say to your passengers right now who are trying to get themselves on flights to their destinations, but are left feeling frustrated by conflicting information or a lack of information? >> we are we are here very much at the airport to support and provide passenger care for people that might find themselves here at their airport and have their flights disrupted. so we'll continue to provide that customer care for

them. but in the interim, please do check with your airlines, check your website and check your apps for your most updated flight information. >> thank you. we'll move now to questions to the responders. thank you. >> yeah, sure. >> it's shawna with city news. can you talk a little bit about the response, how long it took fire trucks to get to the plane? and can you talk a little bit about the flame that we saw in the video and the smoke and, you know, was it easy to put out and just really take us through the response? >> all right. todd. >> great. >> thank you for the question. the actual time, it was a very quick response from toronto pearson fire emergency services. upon arrival, the crew did witness spot fires. they were able to quickly knock down the spot fires using the aircraft rescue firefighting apparatus. once the fires were knocked down, the crews did make entry and perform primary search and

rescue. the passengers were all evacuated and then they were taken to a secondary location, a station two for triage with our mutual aid partners. >> just a quick follow up. can you describe what it was like? because we've seen videos of the passengers hanging upside down in their seat belts. can you maybe just describe what it was like to get these people, you know, hanging, cut down and out of the out of the plane? >> i believe that most of the passengers self-evacuated at that time, and upon arrival, they were being escorted to a second location. >> hello, nate. foie fox news. i'm just seeking some clarity from a first responders perspective on the elements and how they played a role in your efforts yesterday. i know a lot of people are hoping for some

clarity on what the fire chief said, and it sounds like you guys won't give us that. but can you tell me what it was like out there on the runway as you were doing your job? was the runway dry and the wind gusts? how did it impact you? >> and like we mentioned, very early to make any conclusions. i know i provide a little bit of information yesterday for transparency today. now we have an active investigation. therefore any of those questions would have to be directed toward transportation safety board. >> thanks, todd. hi there. karen lieberman with global news. besides the chief, i just wondered if any of the other first responders can speak to their own experiences and what yo and how you cared for some of these passengers? >> sure, mark. >> thank you for the question. mark andrews, deputy chief with peel regional police. i'd like

to before i answer the question, i'd like to say that our thoughts and prayers are with the 76 crew members and four passengers and their families that were impacted by yesterday's events, which fortunately had the best possible outcome for all of us. our response is, as peel regional police. we're the police of jurisdiction. we have a really robust presence here at the airport. we actually have a fully functioning division with 100 officers and civilians located, and we have a presence on the public side and the private side. so we were able to respond in a, you know, very timely fashion, along with our first responder partners. the conditions were difficult, but i will say this, that we regularly practice with our partners in fire and ems and the gt and transport safety canada. so we

were prepared for this event as as extreme as it was. and our men and women, not only in policing but across all the first responder services, did a tremendous job. and in my, my mind and no doubt saved lives. so i'd like to acknowledge that. there was some impact. you know, on the police of jurisdiction being ourselves, not only here at the airport, because as you can imagine, we don't have surge capacity to deal with something like this. the way they do in the private industry. so, you know, we had at one point we had 50 police officers responding to the circumstances here at the airport and the surrounding environment. what i'd like to do is thank our partners at the opp, commissioner tom creek and chief marion demkiw, because they supported us through the

aftermath of the incident. by sending officers, officers to support both of our public divisions 11 and 12 division in mississauga. you know, all in all, it was a great response by first responders. supporting gt and our tsb partners. but it's something that we've practiced and we're well prepared for should this happen again going forward. >> mississauga fire and communications services received the 911 call. it's called a crash alarm. so we get it directly from pearson into our communications center. so we had a very quick response. we had six apparatus from mississauga fire respond. it was a combination of aerials, engines and squads. in addition, we sent our command vehicle and also a tanker. we also had an acting platoon chief, a district chief

and myself that attended the scene. i took a position within their emergency operations center. just to reiterate what deputy just said, annually, our firefighters participate in joint training with pearson fire at a location called festy. it's a training facility. our primary response is to assist with water supply, search and rescue, rehab and medical support. the mississauga fire and emergency services and mississauga office of emergency management participates in two annual emergency exercises that are held at toronto pearson international airport each year, including a high level tabletop command exercise and a full scale boots on the ground emergency exercise. in addition to the exercises conducted each year at toronto pearson international airport, the city

of mississauga conducts its own functional emergency exercise. and we did that in 2021. examining an aircraft accident occurring within the city of mississauga. this exercise included partners from various organizations, including those represented in the exercises held here regularly at pearson. the mississauga fire and emergency services and oem provides emergency management training to regional partners from various organizations who may be involved in the response to an aircraft accident. amongst other emergencies. the mississauga office of emergency management can also serve as a conduit between the city and the provincial emergency operations center. if provincial wide coordination for the response and recovery of community impacts during an emergency is

required during an aircraft accident. the mississauga office of emergency management can assist in the coordination of providing municipal services if requested by our community partners, who may be impacted in the event. this could include transportation like busses, facilities or heavy equipment. the city of mississauga has developed its own aircraft accident emergency plan, which conforms with and operates in conjunction to the airport emergency plan developed by the greater toronto airport authority. >> thanks. that was a fulsome response. >> i just also wondered if anyone can speak to the nature of some of the injuries. >> do you want to speak to some of the nature? >> good afternoon. my name is corey takac. >> i'm a commander of operations

within peel regional paramedic services. so upon our arrival of the crash site, our staff were faced with a multitude of different injuries, mainly stemming from back sprains, head injuries, anxiety, some headaches, nausea and vomiting due to the fuel exposure. so those were the common sort of injuries that we had come across. >> thanks, john. >> any more questions please? >> canadian press. just want to follow up on this rescue effort. can you please provide some details on the timeline? how did how long did you i mean, paramedics, paramedics and firefighters, did it take for them to get to the airplane? and how long did it take for them to evacuate the airplane? >> okay, todd, you want to take that? >> yeah. the response from toronto pearson fire emergency services was minutes. because

there is an active investigation, we won't be able to provide the details. >> but you've been listening to first responders there in toronto, as well as the president and ceo of the toronto pearson airport. she led off this press conference. light on details as the investigation is underway there. the transportation safety board in canada, now in charge of this investigation, they'll speak later today. and of course, we'll be keeping an eye as that investigation goes on. but we're also keeping a close eye now overseas, because today, us and russian officials are in saudi arabia for high stakes talks on ending the war in ukraine. these are the first us russia talks since the war started nearly three years ago. secretary of state marco rubio, national security advisor michael waltz and middle east envoy steve witkoff met with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov in riyadh for 4.5 hours today. joining me now, former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul. ambassador, what did the u.s. and russia actually agree to

today? >> i don't think they've agreed to anything yet. but i think they're at cross purposes for what the purpose of the meeting was. if you listen to the russian officials, mr. ushakov, in particular putin's foreign policy advisor for 15 or 16 years, he was there when i was ambassador. he made it very clear that they want to restart u.s. russian relations. that's what this is about. this is about u.s. russian relations to them, including many issues beyond ukraine. the american delegation, or so we were led to believe, is there to start the peace negotiations. and because of that disconnect, you didn't have any agreement. you have to talk about restoring relations from the russian side. and on the american side, we have yet to see any details of what a peace negotiation might look like. >> so potential misalignment of views going in of what these talks were even supposed to be about. but, you know, sergei lavrov, you've sat at tables just like this one with the

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