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next to me. we got out pretty quick and we're kind of able to just like, unclip like you would, and then just kind of lower ourselves to be on the on the ground, which was toof. >> plus the path to peace. the us and russia hold marathon talks to end the war in ukraine. but without a meeting invite to ukraine. could that decision backfire down the line? and doge drama the latest top official to quit after a standoff with elon musks team over accessing sensitive information. this time at the department in charge of social security payments for more than 70 million people. but we do begin with that terrifying new video showing the moment a delta flight crash landed onto a snowy toronto runway, rolled onto its back and then caught fire. >> three. >> oh oh. >> oh no no no. >> no no. >> we now know 21 people were

injured on that flight, which originated from minneapolis, but miraculously, all 80 people on board survived, strapped into their seats when the floor suddenly became the ceiling. delta airlines said in a statement today, it's committed to working with investigators to figure out how this could have happened. but the crash comes at a time of heightened anxiety over flying after four deadly u.s. plane crashes in the months of january and february claimed a total of 85 lives. nbc's tom costello is covering everything from this story in washington. and also with me is former faa and ntsb investigator, as well as msnbc aviation analyst jeff guzzetti. tom, what's the latest that we were learning on this crash and investigation? it seemed like that briefing was light on details from the president of the airport there. >> yes, but they are sticking to the letter of the at least in the united states, the letter of the law. and i would presume in canada, two in that the only people who can comment on an investigation once it's active, in fact, are the investigators.

so that would be the transportation safety board of canada and probably also nav canada. should they actually get involved in making public statements? i did think what was important here is you heard from the commanders saying that they were up against a heavy fire conditions. when they arrived, they immediately put foam on that fire. they fire response, as we have suggested, was very, very fast. praising the flight attendants as well for keeping cool under pressure and getting everybody out as fast as possible. let me let you listen to what one of the witnesses, one of the passengers, said about how this all went down, and it was terrifying. >> all of a sudden we're just i just remember being fully sideways, and i was looking down and just seeing, like, sparks and flames and whatever was grinding against the ground. and then, yeah, it happened pretty dang quick, and we were just upside down hanging from our seatbelts.

>> imagine that. and how terrifying that must have been. immediately, as we said, the airport fire department was on the scene. they were assisted by the neighboring city's fire department and then the paramedic services which arrived on the scene. one of the commanders for that paramedic service talked about the injuries that they saw as they arrived. take a listen. >> upon arrival of the crash site, our staff were faced with a multitude of different injuries, mainly stemming from back sprains, head injuries, anxiety, some headaches, nausea and vomiting due to the fuel exposure. >> yeah, thankfully we're told that nobody was critical, which is amazing coming out of this kind of a crash at this hour. the runway there remains closed, two runways remain closed, actually an east west and a north south runway because of this ongoing investigation. and the debris remains actually on the airfield as investigators

will start to start to piece through the remains of this regional jet. i want to underscore this is a canadian investigation, the canadian transportation safety board. and then you do have the us ntsb and the us faa assisting, but they're not in charge. this is very much a canadian operation. and ali, as we've talked about before, and jeff guzzetti can talk about this as well. the canadian transportation safety board investigators are among the best in the world, a hand in hand with the us ntsb. >> tom costello, thank you. and jeff. tom, to us up there doing my job for me. what do you think, based on the video that we've seen of the exact moment of the crash that those safety investigators are going to be looking for? >> the tsb, the transportation. >> safety board of canada, is very good. and in fact, sometimes we invite them to investigate accidents in our country. if there's a potential conflict of interest and we do the same for them. the investigators, ali, are going to be looking at the black boxes, right? and that's going to

really tell the tale about the vertical descent rate of this airplane as it landed. i mean, from the video, you could say, hey, it was a hard landing, but you really can't determine that until you get the metrics at the how, how hard it did land. it appeared to land on its right main landing gear. was there an issue, a preexisting issue with that gear? we don't know yet. so investigators are going to be looking into everything. really, this is a major accident. they're going to be looking into the flight data recorder, the cockpit crew communications, the design stress limits of the bombardier crj landing gear, the airport clearing the runways, the response. so they're going to be very thorough. >> there were also a lot of questions during that press conference. again, that was not held with investigators. it was held with the held with the president of the airport. but there were a lot of questions that went unanswered around the state of the runway. was it slick? there had been snow. that seems like it's a place for

ample investigation, right? >> yes. and you can be sure that the investigation will answer those questions. now, whether or not it was a factor, we just don't know. i mean, quite frankly, as you watch that landing, i don't think the airplane even had a chance to skid, because as soon as that right main landing gear came down, it damaged that right wing and the airplane tumbled still. what was the decision making about keeping the airport open during strong crosswind conditions? the crosswind or the wind conditions could be an issue. so you could be sure that the airport's aspects will be thoroughly investigated by the tsb of canada. >> absolutely. and jeff, this the faa we've made this point before has no jurisdiction over this airspace. and the canadian authorities are again leading this investigation. but the crash doesn't happen in a vacuum. it comes after four deadly crashes in recent weeks. you had the collision here in dc over the potomac, the

philadelphia medical jet crash, a regional flight crash off of alaska, and then a collision between two private jets in arizona. for people who see all of these crashes and also worry about safety, as we're hearing about these recent cuts at the faa, what would you tell them to give them a little bit more confidence in getting back to the skies? >> i would i would tell them that i could certainly understand their concern. very rarely do we have a spate of commercial serious accidents like this, but aviation is still statistically incredibly safe. i personally would not be fearful to take a commercial airline flight hour. and with regards to the faa cuts, yeah, i personally i don't think that this is the right time to have cuts in the faa of any kind. but still, commercial aviation is incredibly safe in this country. and one other thing, even though this is a canadian investigation, it was a us air carrier that that receives oversight by the faa. endeavor

air in minneapolis. so just because it's in another country doesn't mean we should dismiss it. in the end, all four of these investigations need to proceed. the circumstances are all different. we have to let the investigations take place so that we can learn and prevent future accidents. >> and certainly we'll be tracking those investigations as that information becomes available. jeff guzzetti, i hope you'll come back and help us make sense of it as we get that. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> and kentucky, meanwhile, is bracing for a powerful snowstorm in the immediate aftermath of those deadly flash floods. the governor, confirming the death toll from those floods has jumped to 14, with 44 counties under under disaster declarations. new video shows just how high flood waters reached this entire football field was actually submerged in williamsburg. halfway up the goal post you can see there. roads remain unsafe after sudden mudslides, and access to clean water is still a problem.

>> it's hard. >> enough in this area because there's not a lot of jobs. and, you know, and for people that does what they do have, they've worked hard for what they have. and for something like this to just come in and wipe it all away, that's that's bad. i mean, it's just heartbreaking. >> it is heartbreaking. joining me now is ray jones, the judge executive of pike county, kentucky, where at least three people died from those floods. ray, just give us a sense of how bad the damage is where you are. >> well, growing up here in the county and having been in public office for 25 years, we've had multiple disaster declarations. this is by far the worst one that we've had. may 7th, 1984 was the last river flood of this magnitude. and this flood is over a much wider area. you seen some video there of portions of pikeville. and we have a lot of businesses that have been

damaged, hundreds of homes. we still have areas that we can't get into, and we have search and rescue teams from north carolina, indiana. and it's been a it's been a challenge logistically, to try to get utilities restored. we're making progress with with that, we still have 7000 customers here in the county without water. and now we're expecting somewhere between 4 and 8in of snow and subfreezing temperatures for the next four days. >> yeah, you talk about that snow incoming. and i do want to ask you about that. but first, do we know yet if everyone in the county is accounted for? or is search and rescue still ongoing as we speak? >> we still have teams out in the field. as far as we know, everyone has been accounted for. there was one person that we had not accounted for. that person apparently has been located. the death toll is at three as we as we speak. i'm hopeful that that's all we have. we've had a lot of tragedy in this region.

the last being in july of 2022, when some neighboring counties lost a lot of folks in flash flooding. this is a little bit different because you had not only streams and creeks, but you had the rivers, the tug fork and the levisa fork of the big sandy river. both went close to major flood stage. and but as far as we know, everyone has been accounted for at this point. what we don't want is we don't want to lose anyone in the recovery efforts. and a lot of cases, the recovery efforts can be as dangerous as the disaster itself. in 2022, my county only lost one person in the flooding, and that was during the cleanup process. we're hopeful that people will use extreme care, particularly the 1100 families who are without power. when we when this this cold front hits. we've had tragedies here in the past where people using space

heaters, kerosene, propane and we've had structure fires that resulted in the loss of life. we also caution people who are using that type of supplemental heat to be careful about carbon monoxide. >> important. as you talk about the recovery efforts ongoing, while also warning people about the snow that is incoming. but this is kentucky's second major flood, as you were talking about in just the last few years. you've got the president authorizing fema funds. can you talk about how badly that money is going to be needed on the ground for recovery? >> it has. and first of all, let me say i want to thank the administration in washington for expediting that declaration as we speak. i have kentucky transportation cabinet secretary jim gray sitting across from me and state highway engineer james boulanger. governor beshear, you know, i can tell you, in 2022, i was standing in my home community watching swift water rescues take place, and my cell phone rang. and it was governor

beshear through that event. he was absolutely a lifesaver. and it's been the same here. we've had nothing but help from congressman hal rogers office. i just had a call from his district representative. his chief of staff is from pike county, and it's been a bipartisan effort. you know, this is not a political issue. governor beshear, president trump, congressman rogers, you know, we've got we've got folks who are working hard. our legislative delegation will be working to obtain supplemental state appropriations to help with the cost. the counties damages in the 2022 flood exceeded $20 million. without fema, it would have bankrupted the county. we still are in the process of recovering from that event. we just paid $800,000 in in bills on one holler, as we would call it. one road that that is being repaired just for drill steel. this storm could

easily exceed 50 million easily, and that may be a low estimate because of the damage to roads, bridges, water and sewer infrastructure. and that doesn't take into account the individual businesses and homes that have been damaged. >> judge-executive ray jones, we thank you for spending some time with us, and we will keep you and your community in our thoughts and prayers in these coming days and weeks. >> thank you. >> and coming up in 90s, the u.s. and russia kick off high level talks to end the war in ukraine. but with president zelensky not at that table. so zelensky not at that table. so what actually came out of time to press rewind with... neutrogena rapid wrinkle repair. it has derm-proven retinol... ...expertly formulated... ...to target skin cell turnover... ...and fights not one—but 5 signs of aging. with visible results... ...in just one week. neutrogena when emergency strikes, first responders rely on the latest technology. that's why t-mobile created t-priority built for the 5g era.

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european allies who have been rattled by the american outreach to russia. nbc's keir simmons is live in riyadh, saudi arabia. nbc's courtney kube has new reporting from the pentagon, and ned price is a former senior state department and cia official. kira, first to you. what came out of this meeting today? and most importantly, what comes next? >> well, i think there. >> are two. important highlights from what happened today. one is that things are not going to move, perhaps as quickly as people had thought they might. there aren't there isn't going to be a meeting between president trump and president putin. it looks like in the coming weeks it's going to be a process. on the other hand, this is a seismic change. there were smiles between the u.s. and russian delegation that will have stunned the europeans, the russians even saying that they had agreement for the future to cooperate, for example, over economics, of course, despite

the sanctions that the us has imposed on russia. and take a listen to a conversation that i had with kirill dmitriev. he is he has deep relations with the kremlin, with the saudi palace here, here in saudi arabia, as well as many relationships in the u.s. he helped helped organize the release of the us prisoner, marc fogel. and then this meeting, this is what he told me today. >> i think positive. >> dialog. >> professional engagement. i think it's very important that the two sides started to listen to each other, you know, dialog and communication was completely broken during the biden administration. so i think there is respectful dialog, and that's very important. and frankly, when russia and us do not communicate, it puts the world in a very dangerous place. >> that, of course, is, though, is not the way the europeans will see it who weren't here and frankly, are looking themselves isolated right now, potentially

another meeting this week of the europeans to try to figure out, because they haven't been able to agree what their stance should be. and of course, president zelenskyy today in turkey, he too, not at the table, canceled a trip to saudi arabia here. says he will make that trip in march. so again, this is now a slower process than perhaps some people had thought it might be, but still a really big change in the way the us approaches russia. and so international implications. >> slower, but still significant. keir simmons a long day of reporting in saudi arabia. we thank you for your work. courtney, i want to turn to you because kira is talking about the us shift in its posture towards russia. that is a change. but you've got new reporting on how the us intelligence community is assessing putin's motivations. basically, the more things change, the more they might also might also stay the same. >> yeah, that's right ali. >> and it's not just you as us.

>> intelligence, but a number of u.s. allies. all have come to the same conclusion here. and that is that vladimir putin's goals that he stated even before the 2022 invasion of ukraine, that he wants to take all of ukraine that has, that those goals have not changed, ally. in fact, according to a number of various intelligence sources, again, united states and other allies, vladimir putin still wants to take all of ukraine. and because of that reason, there is a lot of skepticism about his his actual willingness to come to the table and make a real peace deal with ukraine right now. now, there is a belief that he could agree to some sort of a ceasefire, and that is because he realizes, according to these sources, he realizes that his forces need to reset and reform. they could actually use the break from this grind of fighting that they have faced for the last nearly three years now. but with that said, the belief among these intelligence sources is that he still does not. vladimir putin

still wants all of ukraine, and he has not changed from his ultimate goals from that. he also, according to these officials, believes that he can wait out ukraine and wait out europe, and that he also believes that he still is winning despite what's happening on the ground there, which really is in many cases still a stalemate. these officials say that vladimir putin believes that either he's winning or he's not losing as badly as ukraine is losing here. ali. so we're looking today at day number one of this, this beginning of these, this dialog between the united states and russia with hope towards maybe some sort of ultimate peace deal with ukraine. but the reality is the intelligence just doesn't show that vladimir putin is looking for a long term peace deal with ukraine right now. >> ali court, it's critical context to these negotiations, or at least this phase we're in of talking about talking. thank you. ned. turning to you. it sounds like the u.s. intelligence that caught is talking about has come to the

same conclusion as ukrainian president zelensky, who has been telling anyone who will listen. putin doesn't want peace. he still aspires to control all of ukraine. so is it a mistake, given that reporting and given what zelenskyy has said, for the trump administration to continue establishing closer ties to russia? >> well. >> i of course, couldn't speak to intelligence. but what i can tell you is that over the course of three plus years of this brutal war of aggression that president putin has waged against ukraine, we in the biden administration never saw any indication that he was ready and willing to come to the negotiating table in a real, genuine and constructive way. quite the opposite. i think the idea that putin may be looking for nothing more than an opportunity to rest, to refit, and ultimately to refight on the battlefield is probably sound. there is reason to believe that is the case. look to state the obvious. there are very few similarities between the approach that the biden administration administered in

trying to bring it into this conflict, and the approach that the trump administration is displaying right now. but there is one, at least rhetorically, and that's the emphasis on a just and durable peace. and by just peace, we mean a peace that makes a very clear distinction between victim and aggressor, a peace that makes very clear that ukraine is the country that has been aggressed upon, that russia is the aggressor and that the aggressor must pay a price. even the trump administration, despite its very different and i think profoundly unwise approach, has also said they seek a just peace. but it's hard to see this coming towards a just peace when the ukrainians are not at the table, when the europeans are not at the table, and when we're dealing solely with the russians, essentially speaking over the heads of the ukrainians and making decisions on their behalf during the biden administration, we consistently made the point that if russia were to stop fighting today, the war would come to an end. if ukraine were to stop fighting,

ukraine would come to an end. those are the stakes of this conflict, ali, and i'm concerned that the trump administration is not pursuing this in a way that would lead to what they say. they want a just peace. >> and that's certainly a concern that others have shared, including here on this show with me. but you talk about the differences between the administration that you served in and the administration currently, because the u.s. and allies have spent the last three years trying to isolate russia. but now, in the span of a few weeks, american policy appears to have done a complete 180. as a diplomat, you know, the state department, how do you deal with that kind of whiplash, especially in addressing the deeper concern that our allies in europe have right now? >> well, i can tell you, ali, some of the foremost experts on both russia, ukraine, europe, geopolitics sit at the state department and secretary rubio and steve witkoff and the national security advisor. they have access to the best and the brightest minds within our government and really within the

world about how we might approach this in a way that can help to achieve what they say they want. and that is a just and durable peace. now, i think the question on the table is whether secretary rubio, whether the national security advisor, whether the white house is going to listen to those experts or whether they are going to follow the, i think, perhaps ill informed inclinations of those who sit at the top of this pyramid. ali, there is a fundamental principle in diplomacy. we cannot want an outcome more than the other side does. my concern here is that president trump, who fancies himself as a deal maker and as a peacemaker, wants to make a deal much more so than president putin is ready to make a deal. and that, i think, will lead to some rushed conversations that will lead to some ill advised conclusions. and it will lead. it could lead to a peace that is neither just it is not durable and is ultimately not in the

interest of ukraine or europe, but profoundly in the interests of vladimir putin. that would not be good for ukraine, it would not be good for europe, and ultimately that would not be good for the united states. >> and i do think it's important for us to point out that if past is prolog, it is president trump, despite the fact that his highest level officials are sitting at that table with their russian counterparts, it is president trump who is ultimately calling the shots here. ned price, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> still ahead, a standoff between elon musk's doge department and the social security administration. it ends with a top official quitting. but we've got more on what we're learning about the sensitive learning about the sensitive data at the center of when emergency strikes, first responders rely on the latest technology. that's why t-mobile created t-priority built for the 5g era. only t-priority dynamically dedicates more capacity for first responders. with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater

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depleted and overworked agency is. they're about to find out. >> they're. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard is reporting from west palm beach, florida. vaughn. donald trump has promised not to touch social security. from a policy perspective. but doge is still looking to get in. so what's the end game here? >> right? that's the question, ali. exactly what is the objective and what is the goal for the trump administration. in doge specifically? and to what extent is president trump. even aware and understanding of. >> what. >> elon musk. >> and his team. >> are looking for? we're talking about bank account information, social security information. i want to let you listen to caroline leavitt, the press secretary, when she was asked about this on fox. take a listen. >> president trump has directed elon musk in the doge team to identify fraud at the social security administration. they haven't dug into the books yet, but they suspect that there are tens of millions of deceased

people who are receiving fraudulent social security payments. >> now, there are some. important parts of that. of course, inspector generals have often looked at this very specific thing. and just eight months ago, there was an inspector general report from the social security administration last summer in which they articulated that they found that there were 0.84% of benefits payments made were improper between 2015 to 2022. but in that very report, they found that most of that had to do with overpayments, not individuals who were, quote, dead. and one year before that, in 2023, there was another social security administration inspector general report that found that there were about 19 million individuals who were found to be on the rolls who were hundred years or older. but they found, quote, almost none of those individuals were still receiving disbursements of social security payments here.

and so there is a lot to this. but of course, we're finding out in real time with the resignation of this top social security administration official here. a lot of questions that are still very much outstanding, ali, exactly as to what they are going to be looking for and to what extent they find anything that runs counter to the inspector general's reports in 2023 and 2024. >> ali and vaughn, as i hear you talk about the inspector general's report, it strikes me that the trump administration has fired those inspector generals. vaughn hillyard, thank you. and now to now to some new nbc exclusive reporting. the trump administration is preparing to fire hundreds of high level employees at the department of homeland security this week. that's according to three sources familiar with the matter. the firings come on top of hundreds more general cuts that began at dhs last week. nbc homeland security correspondent julia ainsley has this exclusive reporting for us. julia, this is the agency that includes ice, which we know is very important

to president trump's immigration goals. so what's the goal of these cuts? >> yeah, it. >> doesn't seem. >> like it would make. >> sense, ali. >> but in this. >> case, they are really trying to take a scalpel to. >> the agency and take out. >> a lot. >> of senior leaders, people who this is washington speak, but it's called the senior executive service. those are people who are very high level, and they are usually in charge of things like policy and strategy. we understand these cuts can be made at ice, cbp, fema, cisa, all across dhs, and there are people who are being taken out because not because doge thinks that they are expendable and not necessary. but there are people that trump's landing team, the people who arrived the day of his inauguration, think are standing in their way of their policy goals. sometimes these could be people who aren't necessarily fulfilling what they've been told to do, or telling their subordinates to carry it out. it also could be people who just aren't seen as loyal to trump, and they think that maybe they won't be the best people to carry out these strategies. obviously, there's a

lot of pushback internally. i've spoken to some former some biden administration officials who say that to get rid of that number of people at those high levels will really be devastating to the department, just in how they carry out their day to day and exactly how people are supposed to report to their bosses. but those who are working on these decisions now say that they think the pain in the short term is worth the gain in the long term. when they have everyone in those roles who they think are aligned with trump's goals. and as you know, there's been a lot of frustration, even from trump himself, that ice isn't doing enough to arrest and deport people more quickly. >> ali certainly sends a stark message. julia ainsley, thank you. and still ahead, the governor of new york holding meetings today on what she calls the path forward amid the firestorm over new york city mayor eric adams, the political pressures at play as she decides whether or not to remove him from office. >> i wish my tv provider let me

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msnbc political analyst. but, tom, first to you. what more do we know about governor hochul's meetings today? my understanding is that they were happening throughout the day, and it wasn't necessarily going to be that there was going to be some huge outcome, but i guess there could still be, right? >> that's right. so, yeah. >> you've hit it on. >> the head, which is that this isn't exactly a conference table with the most powerful members of the of the political machine in new york sitting around a table and trying to decide what the fate is. i'm sure there are people that are at home wondering why is the national law enforcement intelligence reporter on talking about an issue between new york's governor and its mayor? because this all starts with law enforcement and this dismissal without prejudice, the idea that charges could be brought in again, and what started to appear to be some sort of an agreement last week, the mayor has denied it, denied any sort of quid pro quo. his attorney is adamant about it. but federal prosecutors raised the idea that the mayor has got basically a kind of a side agreement with the justice department and the trump administration to go along with their immigration initiatives in exchange for

these charges being dismissed. but of course, they could be revisited. and it's that type of agreement that's really got the governor's attention here. and then on top of that, over the weekend, the resignations of four high profile members of his administration, including the first deputy mayor and the deputy mayor of operations, really, some of the most underrated as far as powerful positions in local government in this country. so when the governor looked at that, she saw that there was clearly an exodus and a vacuum at the top. and the question that she's presumably asking and the things that she's pondering to two categories. one, can we continue with somebody in this leadership capacity without his most loyal and top people around him that know how things are run day to day in new york city, can this continue? and then secondly, do we want a mayor that perhaps is beholden to the whims not of necessarily of new yorkers, but for his own legal prospects going forward? the president of the united states, donald trump,

who is, of course, from new york. so all sorts of questions here playing out today. but those are some of the things that she's going to weigh, including her own future political prognosis or landscape in the idea of perhaps an andrew cuomo candidacy for new york city mayor and what that might mean for her if she were to remove eric adams. >> yeah, that's exactly right, tom, because the legal is parallel to the politics here. tom winter, thanks for setting us up on the legal landscape piece of this. basil, i want to turn to you because as the former head of the new york state democratic party, you are more than familiar with the politics at play here and the difficult position that governor hochul finds herself in. politico puts it this way, they say in a stunning move, her hand-picked lieutenant governor outflanked her and called for adams to resign. house minority leader hakeem jeffries, a cautious and reserved brooklyn democrat, is questioning the mayor's political future and the man next in line to be mayor if adams gets removed has signaled he would be ready to serve. so how much pressure is the governor facing right now? when

you think about all of those different pieces already facing her? >> well. >> it is certainly a lot of pressure. and to be. >> clear, the. >> the. >> pressure on her has increased over the last several days, not. just when these deputy mayors have resigned. there's increasing conversation. particularly among the african-american political leadership here, that. >> the mayor. >> is in this in. this no win situation. if you remember, he was on fox news the other day with the president's. border czar, and the. borders are really made a comment saying. that if the mayor doesn't. step up to enforce the president's immigration policy, he's going to be back in the city to make sure the mayor does. new yorkers are not used to being in that position. you know, we don't. new york mayors don't go to mar a lago. they come to us. that's the kind of that's the way new yorkers think about their city and the power of their mayor. so to see him, to see him so diminished, i think has really

increased the pressure on the governor. and i'll just add this one layer, which is a racial component in the entire history of the city of new york. eric adams is only the second african american american mayor to serve. the second in 30 years since the first, david dinkins in 1989, when he was elected. so the notion that this this governor would unseat a mayor who at least came into the position with a tremendous amount of political capital, there is a racial component as well that can't be ignored. >> that's absolutely right. in my conversations with sources in new york on the democratic side, part of the consideration and some of the conversations that the governor is having today is with black community leaders to get a sense of what it would look like if she removed the mayor. but the other complicating factor, and frankly, it looms over this entire saga, is governor hochul is expected to run for reelection in 2026. new york state is a place where we've seen shifting sands politically. trump was able to make some big strides there in the last

election. so is there a chance, then, when you consider the state writ large, it's not just new york that removing adams could alienate voters who might be happy that adams is working with the trump administration and thusly might look to hochul as someone to blame in that upcoming election. >> yeah. i mean, it's interesting because you we've seen over the last in 2024 that a number of voters, particularly african-american and latino men, voted for donald trump in higher numbers than than they had. and a lot some of those voters are part of eric adams base, but there isn't a tremendous amount of overlap. so a lot of the language that the governor would have to use in, in making this decision really has to be about stability and governance of the city of new york. and frankly, she can't do it without the added weight and talking points and literal presence. my guess is of a lot of that. those african-american leaders, the sort of cosign this decision. but having said that, you know, voters still don't want their votes undermined. i mean, it's a

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