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>> unified school district succeed. >> where millions of parents have failed, getting their kids to put away their phones? it's day one of the most expensive cell phone ban in the country. but we want to start now with what trump administration officials are calling a, quote, positive, upbeat and constructive meeting with their russian counterparts in saudi arabia. the objective to come up with an end to the war in ukraine and possibly rewrite the future of u.s. russo relations. after the meeting, which lasted for more than four hours, secretary of state marco rubio, national security adviser mike wallace and special envoy to the middle east steve witkoff said they are convinced russia is serious about peace. they also downplayed concerns that the ukraine and europe were left out of the talks. >> the goal is to bring an end to this conflict in a way that's fair, enduring, sustainable and acceptable to. >> all. >> parties involved. >> what that looks. >> like. >> will, that's what the what the ongoing engagement is going to be all about. >> we'll continue. >> to remind everyone, literally

within minutes of president trump hanging up with president putin, he called and spoke with president zelensky. so shuttle diplomacy has happened throughout history. it's happened all over the world. we are absolutely talking to both sides. >> but president zelensky, who wasn't invited to saudi, reiterated his frustration with the way things are going. after meeting with the leader of turkey today, he said, quote, the war is happening in our part of the world very close by. and to ensure a reliable and lasting peace, mistakes must be avoided. this is only possible when negotiations are fair and ukraine, america and all of europe are represented at the negotiating table. i want to bring in nbc's keir simmons in riyadh and national security and intelligence analyst mark fema. i'm sorry. polymeropoulos, who was a long time cia veteran. mark, i promise i practiced it and i still messed it up. it's nice to see you. but first, we want to start with you. why saudi arabia? how did these

talks end up there? and what is the readout of how much progress, if any, has been made? and of course, what comes next? >> well, the reason why this is happening in saudi arabia is, frankly, because of riyadh's close relationship, both with the russians and with the us. just to get to that in a moment, to answer your the other part of your question, a number of things were agreed today, mostly about america's relationship with russia. and that is a seismic change, because remember that the us has spent years, along with europe, trying to isolate moscow effectively. it unlocked that isolation. today, the trump administration, agreeing to high level talks, looking ahead, maybe even cooperation on a geopolitical and economic level. remember that the us has sanctions against russia. and then back to your point. there was one man amongst the russian delegation here, kirill dmitriev, who has very close ties both to the

kremlin and to the palace here, to the to the saudi royals here in riyadh, as well as many ties in the us. he helped negotiate the release of that us prisoner. and i caught up with him today just after these talks. take a listen. >> it's a slow, difficult process. >> no meeting between president trump and president putin anytime soon. >> well, i would say it's a long road ahead. many differences. we need to manage expectations. but this dialog of two, you know, strategic powers in the world is very important. and the world is much safer place now when this dialog started to happen. so we'll have to see how it evolves over time. but definitely a very positive start. and by the way, saudi played a really key role in providing good, you know, opportunity for this dialog. >> one word what is what is russia going to compromise. well. >> again, i think it's too early to say. too early to say. >> look, kristen, the russians were clearly pleased with this

meeting today, and that's not surprising. they wanted to sit around the table directly with the us. the europeans weren't there. president zelenskyy, as you mentioned, wasn't here. there will be stunned and somewhat stung feelings in european capitals. but frankly, this week they haven't been able to agree even on whether to send troops to ukraine to support ukraine in the event of a cease fire. president zelenskyy left on the outside of these talks today. he was due to be in saudi arabia tomorrow. he has canceled that. he will now be here in march. so two headlines really. things slowing down. there won't be a quick meeting between president trump and president putin, but a real transformation in the international relations between the us and russia. and that will have serious implications. christina. >> keir simmons, thank you so much. mark, i want to turn to you now. nbc has some brand new reporting that and i'm going to quote here, intelligence from the united states and close

allies currently shows that russian president vladimir zelensky still wants to control all of ukraine. this is according to four western intelligence officials and two u.s. congressional officials. the six officials said they believe putin could agree to a ceasefire and broader peace deal, because it would give his military time to reset and rebuild. now, this is obviously contrary to what president trump and secretary rubio have said. they are all saying they think putin wants a permanent peace. but is this a bit of a if you give a mouse a cookie situation, right. if you give putin the donbas, is he going to stop there or is he going to want the rest of ukraine? >> well, it. >> seems to. >> me, christina, from that reporting that president trump and even his national security team is not listening to the intelligence that's coming in, because i think that intelligence is entirely right. look, we. >> are. >> witnessing firsthand the betrayal of ukraine, an ally who the u.s. has very ably supported, and also the rehabilitation of russia, which don't forget, you know, many of us called them a terrorist

state. and why is that? because they raped and pillaged and murdered through ukraine. they conducted assassination and sabotage campaigns through europe. remember, it's even a country that paid off the taliban to kill our soldiers. and the notion that we're all of a sudden going through this kind of reset, something that has been done many times before and has failed, and getting nothing in return, i think, is quite stunning. you know, the u.s. is now, at best a neutral player on ukraine, and that's something that i think is very hard, at least for someone like myself, who really supported the cause in ukraine. it's hard for us to stomach. but also, of course, europe is aghast at these developments. >> and of course, i want to clarify that i met russian president vladimir putin and ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky struggling with the names today, i apologize. mark, i just came back from munich, which is why i'm slightly jet lagged. but when i spoke to european leaders, they were saying they really want to make sure ukraine is at the table, not on the table. and what is your level of concern that by excluding the ukrainians and

europeans, that a deal will be made that doesn't benefit either? >> right. there's the old diplomatic adage, you know, if you're not at the table, you're going to get eaten. there's all sorts of variations on that. and that's true, in fact. i mean, you know, you we need to give ukraine their agency. it is their war. it is their fight. and of course, the policies of the biden administration was that ukraine was going to ultimately decide. now we're playing this, you know, somewhat, you know, imperialist role of deciding ukraine's fate. president zelenskyy is understandably not only angry, but i think feels betrayed. and ultimately, i think it's going to come down to the european powers getting together and seeing what type of security guarantees they can give ukraine. i know there was the meeting in paris yesterday. i think this will obviously continue. we're going to look for u.s. leadership, but this is going to be, you know, really in, in the hands of, of the europeans to ensure that ukraine, you know, keeps up its struggle against russia. and i'm just afraid that the united states is really abrogating, which was 80 years of leadership in europe. it's a pretty shocking development. if you think about where we were just

three weeks ago, one month ago, prior to the election or prior to president trump taking office, to now. >> all right, marc polymeropoulos, thank you so much for joining us. thank you. i want to bring in igor novikov, former adviser to ukrainian president zelenskyy. thank you for joining us. i want to start off by reading part of an editorial in the kyiv independent that talked about what it's been like to watch these negotiations unfold from inside ukraine. the paper says, quote, being at the epicenter of the storm, having lived through three years of russia's full scale war and all that comes with it, we now have to watch as russia is about to not just get away with all of its crimes, but be rewarded for them. do you think that is the feeling? is that the sentiment ukrainians are having? and what do people say about these talks, about these negotiations when you talk to them? >> well. >> there's definitely a sense of major disappointment because we've survived three years of horrible atrocities. and, i mean, the bombings haven't

stopped. kyiv has been bombed a week ago with ballistic missiles. so nothing has ended. and at the same time, we're seeing, you know, the new administration actually playing in russia's favor. pretty much. i mean, if you don't believe me, just name one concession russia made to be at that table today. they haven't. i mean, they're a clear victor of this. and obviously it's heartbreaking given the fact that the alliance is falling apart and we have to rely pretty much on our european allies, on turkey, on great britain, and on ourselves first and foremost. but having said that, ukraine is really good at saying no. so i wouldn't necessarily concede to the fact that ukraine will be on the table, because for us to be on the table, we need to say yes to that as well. let me remind you about kyiv in three days. >> do you think the us is a reliable ally for ukraine? can you count on the us to be there? and do you trust president trump

to negotiate on on kiev's behalf? >> well, it's not a simple answer to that question. i mean, do i trust president trump? that remains to be seen because he's only just assumed office and he's a businessman. so his approach is going to be completely different from what we've been seeing over the last three years. so, you know, the wars cannot be won without weapons and negotiating, you know, peace deals and negotiations cannot start without a conversation. so on that front, obviously, you know, we expected him to speak to russia at some point. now, i'm not comfortable with the fact that my presence is being ignored. and he's not at that table, that russia has the first word in this, especially russia, that never sticks to his promises. russia that uses disinformation. so, you know, it's a difficult situation. but, you know, the whatever optimist is left in me would say that, give it some time. it's definitely not over. and, you

know, the most important thing here is to keep the faith. i mean, we've been through three years of this. hopefully, you know, it's not over till it's over. >> i mean, when you say give it some time, i mean, it's been now 1090 days since the war began. i have to tell you, i was there on day one on the border, watching ukrainian refugees come across. ukrainians are incredibly tough. i think the entire world has been impressed by the perseverance. but at some point that exhaustion has got to start wearing on the people there. i want to play some of what ukrainians told the kyiv post about their fears that even if a deal is reached, that the war is never really going to end. >> we know. >> that they will come back in few years. and they will. >> be. >> more powerful. >> and it will be. >> one more. >> level of hell. >> i think russia. >> will be aggressive all the time. i think russian people don't want peace as they don't know about war. i think that russia will continue the war.

>> so this is the concern, right? is even if there is a ceasefire, that could almost benefit russia because they can go back and regroup. and can ukrainians ever really trust that this threat of invasion won't be looming over them for years to come? >> well, we have one simple answer nato. but that's not happening. so. and to be honest, i mean, i think we're missing the major elephant in the room. russia is likely to come back in a few years, even even if there is a peace deal and ceasefire. even if we're integrating into the western society, because that just simply russia. but there's a more imminent threat. russia now is insisting on immediate elections in ukraine. and given the fact that half the country is abroad, half the country's on the frontlines and it's literally chaotic, you know, it's really easy for them to stage that election, bring in the russian puppet and conquer ukraine in, in, in, in the easier manner without having to return with tanks and weapons in two years time. so there's a lot of dangers out there for

ukraine. but one thing i do believe is ukrainian people. i mean, i think three years is enough for the world to believe that we're not going to give up, and it's a choice between life and death for us. it's that simple. >> all right. >> igor novikov, thank you so much for joining us. thank you. all right. coming up in 90s, how one passenger described hanging upside down from his seatbelt after his delta flight crash landed and flipped over in toronto. >> this is the emirates premium >> this is the emirates premium economy seat. economy. experience advanced technology in the buick envision. (♪♪) equipped with the largest-in-class ultrawide 30-inch diagonal display and google built-in compatibility, innovation is at your fingertips. buick. exceptional by design. dear doctor k,

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in studio with us, paul butler, former federal prosecutor and professor at georgetown school of law and an msnbc legal analyst. von, we're going to go ahead and start with you. is this just i mean, at this point, is dodge going to dodge what is going on at social security? >> hey my friend. it's a good question. and there's a lack of transparency about exactly what their agenda is. of course, when you're talking about accessing social security numbers and bank records and the fact that there are 70 million americans who rely on social security payments, there's a lot of outstanding questions. exactly what elon musk and his dodge team are seeking to do. but caroline leavitt, the press secretary for the president, gave some indication. take a listen. >> there are a lot of unanswered questions, but that's exactly why these social security employees, i may add, are digging into the books and going line by line because past administrations have refused to do this very time consuming but

necessary work. and i want to emphasize that these are social security political appointees. these dodge employees, these social security employees are on boarding a social security administration employees, political appointees, and they have every right to administer president trump's agenda. >> now, at this point in time, the trump administration has not come forward with any evidence or any specific allegations of wrongdoing by any past social security administration officials. there was an ig report done by the independent watchdog of the social security administration just eight months ago that found that 0.84% of benefit payments between 2015 and 2022 were improper. but that same report said that the majority of those payments were overpayments, not in not not payments that were made, to, quote, dead people. as caroline leavitt suggested that they could find tens of millions. and there was an ig report in 2023.

we should note, christina as well, that found that there were about 20 million americans that were still on the rolls, social security rolls that were over the age of 100 years old. but that same ig report found that, quote, almost none of those individuals were still receiving social security disbursements. >> all right. vaughn hillyard in west palm beach, florida. thanks. vaughn. congressman, i want to turn to you now. you know, you were elected as a florida republican. you know what it's like to have to answer to constituents. do you expect republican lawmakers phones to start lighting up over this one? you know, social security is something that if you touch it, people start to get really concerned. what could the possible political response look like here? >> yeah. >> any time there's some information, some news about either a data leak or private information accessed improperly, the phones on the hill go off the hook, and they ring and they ring and they ring all day. a

lot of times staff is overwhelmed. so i have no doubt that members of congress, their staffs, have fielded many calls in the last 24 hours with questions about this social security news. and look what could really get the administration into trouble here is not the what i think most people can rally behind the idea of making government more efficient, making sure there are no improper payments in social security. that's a wonderful goal. what could really get them in trouble is the how, if they're doing this recklessly, if they're doing this in a way where there is a data leak, where people's private information does become public, then you could really see the public turn against this effort. and members of congress, especially republicans, who are already looking ahead to the 26 election, those members in swing districts are the first that are going to start complaining and pushing back against the administration. >> and, paul, i want to talk to you about that. how? because what we heard from caroline leavitt is she's stressing that

these it's agency employees doing the assessing. what impact does that have when these cases eventually probably end up in court. does that make a difference? >> it does. >> so the. >> agency employees that are accessing the. data that might. >> be super. >> private. >> including medical. records for people who applied for benefits, and they're. feeding this sensitive data to elon musk and to his dodge team. and so the question that a lot of. people have is, is dodge really about good government, or is this a way for trump to and his team to try to get rid of federal employees who. >> they don't like? >> and if you look at who is the new acting administrator, it's a mid-level employee personally selected by trump and his team. in doing so, they leaped over 120 more qualified or more senior leaders at social security to select this guy. we don't know exactly what his qualifications are, but we know he had a lot of posts on linkedin praising dodge for what it's doing.

>> and is it like a distinction without a difference if the person pressing the keys is a federal employee, but the person looking over their shoulder reading the data is not? >> no, because they're agents of the boss in this situation. so we've seen at treasury somebody quit because they didn't want to follow the order to access sensitive information there. and now we have the same thing at social security. >> carlos, i want to turn back to you. you know, we've seen the exits of multiple senior officials. we were just talking about who kind of tried to stand in the way of dodge. dodge? however, we're saying it. accessing sensitive information. do we know what the end goal is here for this data? and at what point does it matter to trump's supporters? will it start impacting their approval of what's going on? >> well, look, until something breaks. i think the president and his team are going to have a lot of support for this idea of shaking up government, of making government more efficient, of getting rid of incompetence or

excessive bureaucracy in government. i think most americans will get behind that. definitely the trump base. but when something breaks, if something breaks, that's when this could really all come crashing down. if people's personal information gets leaked, if the way the administration is treating some of these employees, if there's lawsuits and of course, whenever there's a lawsuit, there's a discovery process and a lot of information that otherwise wouldn't become public becomes public. if it appears that the administration is being abusive or cruel with federal employees who are simply trying to do their jobs, that's when the public could stop supporting this kind of effort. but for now, i do think that the administration does have plenty of latitude to continue operating in this space, because the message that's out there is that they're simply trying to make government more efficient, shake things up a little bit. and i think a lot of americans agree with that, paul. >> you know, we could get a decision from a federal judge in washington, d.c, even today that

could maybe limit must team from accessing some of these systems or firing federal employees. it's done. it's judge tanya chutkan, who we may know from some other high profile cases around in d.c. she told an attorney representing more than 14 state attorneys general that she found the potential harm of doj's actions concerning and, quote, troubling, but that she needed to see more specifics. aside from a, quote, generalized fear that this is going to happen. where do you think she could land on this? what case law is she going to be looking at to evaluate this? and how could it impact other cases against oce? >> this is constitutional law. so the state attorney general's, the 13 state attorney generals who brought this lawsuit say that musk is acting like a cabinet secretary. he's hiring and firing workers. he's overseeing how federal departments are structured. and he's talking about our tax paying, our tax dollars under the appointments clause of the constitution. only the president

has the power to nominate somebody with that authority. and that person has got to be confirmed by the senate. so the judge said that she's very concerned about what is happening with musk and dodge. she wants she's concerned. she says she's troubled, but she wants more specifics about who exactly is harmed while she decides this case. so they're asking for two weeks temporary order. the judge is considering it. she's going to issue the decision by tomorrow. >> all right. standing by to stand by. thank you so much, congressman carlos curbelo and paul butler. thank you both. up next, we're getting a new look at the sheer scale of the flooding in kentucky. one woman who drove into high water had to find safety on her own. >> i know that you swam the whole way. just what goes through your head? thhave you always had trouble >> gladwith your weight?im. me too. discover the power of wegovy®.

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>> afternoon, if. by this. >> evening you do. >> not have. >> electricity. >> if you do not have. >> a safe way to heat your homes, then you need to be staying. >> with residents. >> or with relatives rather, or taking the state up on one of their 15 shelters that they have in effect at this point. and what you're seeing is also a race against time for this. the decrease in temperature and the snow that is expected to come here in this town, for example, you see these construction vehicles, they're in an active, aggressive mission to clear out this main street. >> and that's. >> because i just talked to an official from this town. they're essentially trying. >> to make sure that. >> that mud that was here from the flooding, the water getting up to about knee high, that that mud is all cleared up, cleared up so it doesn't freeze over with the plunging temperatures that we're seeing tonight in the snow that is to come. >> and one thing. >> that you're. >> hearing in kentucky, in many of these small towns, is that the same people that are doing the flood recovery, the same people that are cleaning up in response to the flood, are the same individuals who will be out

there salting the roadways, clearing out the streets and plowing those driveways. so you have people who are saying they're frankly exhausted, but they have no other choice because they have this one two punch where they're dealing with the flood. focus on the recovery, but also trying to prepare for the incoming storm. >> and we can literally see the water spilling out of that front loader behind you as those those crews are working, trying to get exactly that done. all right, shaquille brewster, thank you so much. bill, i want to turn to you now. you heard that report. how much worse could things get for folks in kentucky tonight? >> i mean, if you. >> don't. >> have power. >> and the temperatures are really the thing that's going to dictate if you can stay in your home or not. this is not a great forecast. i mean, some of the coldest air of the winter is on its way on top of the snow. we're going to get later tonight into tomorrow. so winter storm warnings are up, winter weather advisories. even dallas now is into a winter weather advisory. it was in the 50s earlier today in dallas, and the. >> temperatures are just plummeting. >> and that's going to continue to be the case. so we've had a

layer of ice early today in oklahoma. roads are treacherous from oklahoma city, snowing pretty hard right now in tulsa, ice is breaking out into little rock. the northern side of this. it is so cold. >> this is a fluffy, powdery. >> snow, the kind that you put in your hand. it just blows away. that's what's falling in kansas city, into wichita and all through missouri. and that powdery snow adds up in a hurry. and that's why we're going to be able to get up to a foot in isolated locations. even kansas city could get 3 to 6, even tulsa 4 to 8in of snow. it's a big storm for you. much of kentucky around 2 to 4in. then we're going to get a little bullseye here. it does appear as we go through wednesday night into thursday, somewhere between richmond, virginia beach, southern portions of delaware and maryland. this is where we could see 6 to 8in washington, d.c. itself. you may get just grazed and just get a little bit. the cold is incredible. bismarck this morning was -38. that's the temperature, not the wind chill. that's the coldest they've been since 2009, and only six degrees away from the coldest ever in bismarck. so this is unusually cold and it's all heading due south. i mentioned it earlier. it felt

like 50 in dallas. now you're at 35. amarillo is -11. you know, the cold is by far is the further north you go. but i mean, it's not pleasant right now in kansas city snowing in -19. it's cold in detroit, chicago, buffalo, new york. but it's not midwest cold. this is pretty brutal. and this is going to be with us for about 2 to 3 days. we turn the corner on thursday friday kind of into the weekend. everything gets much warmer but record lows. valentine nebraska is going to be -23 tomorrow morning kansas city negative three. then we're going to shatter records. we could have over 100 over the next two days from wednesday into thursday. this is just a couple that we got. you know kansas city negative seven is going to be your record. even waco texas is going to be close. and then by the time the weekend comes then everybody warms up. because you know we just have to get through these next 3 or 4 days. i know everyone's like, please bring spring. i'm done. i'm over winter. but we you know, we think about those people in kentucky, especially this cold, not having power, recovering from a flood. i mean, does it get any worse? >> yeah. for some of us, it's

annoying and uncomfortable. for other people, it's really, really dangerous. bill karins, thank you so much for breaking that all down. all right. right now, students in the los angeles school district, the second largest district in the country, are ushering in a new era in the classroom. a cell phone free school day. joining us now is a staff writer covering education for the los angeles times. okay. this cell phone ban went into effect this morning. how are the kids coping? this is going to be one heck of an adjustment. >> yeah, it's been. >> a long. >> time in the. >> making, christina. so it's announced. >> in the summertime and now it's february. so it's more than. >> half a. >> million kids. and you know, they're glued to their phones. this is going to be a huge difference. i haven't heard yet how it's going so far. you know, there's a school board meeting today for the la schools. and they didn't talk much about the reception of this yet. so we have to wait and see really how it plays out. >> and they're also implementing this in different ways, right. the superintendent of the la

unified school district said about 50% of the schools are using an honor system, allowing students to keep their cell phones and trusting that they're not going to use them during school hours. i mean, i'm a nominal adult, and i can't even trust myself not to ignore those little social media limits i put on myself. so i'm curious to see how you think that's going to work. and are there any exceptions to the ban? i imagine parents would want to know what happens in an emergency. if they need to get their kid on the phone. >> yeah. so you're right, about half are doing the honor system. there's different ways you could put your phone in your backpack. that's kind of the loosest way. and then to the most strict way many schools have actually purchased through a county yondr pouches. you've seen them at concerts and comedy shows. same thing. and you put your phone in there. it feels magnetically and it's gone for the day. it's on you or it's somewhere else in the school, and then you get it back at the end. there is a law saying that emergencies require students to have access. that's a state law, and it's part of the la county rules, too. and it's been a big question, you

know, with things like lockdowns, school shootings, even the fires that happened here with emergencies. but, you know, you know, an emergency is not the same thing to a teen that it is to a parent, for example, or a principal. so they're still sorting it out. >> why are they doing this? what are they hoping the effect will be? i know years ago i covered a summer camp that took kids phones and they said for the first couple of days the kids didn't even know what to do. and these were younger students. they didn't know how to play outside. they didn't know how to build forts because they were always on their phones. are they hoping this will have a positive outcome on the mental health of a generation? that look went through covid has record levels of anxiety, depression. what are they hoping to get out of this? >> they're hoping for a couple of things. one, that kids pay more attention in class, that they're not on their phones, not playing games, not chatting, that they actually are looking at the teacher doing the assignments and doing more of that. and two, to form better habits around digital devices that they can use throughout their lives. because, you know,

you form your habits in school, around tv, around phones. about 50 schools in la were already having a school phone ban prior to this rule, and the principals there said it made a huge difference. i interviewed them, they said it was it was monumental and that the kids actually by the end, i appreciated it. >> all right, we'll see how it goes. john, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> and still to come on this hour of msnbc reports, one of the key questions in the court battle over president trump's battle over president trump's transgender military home. it's where we do the things we love with the people we love. so, what if we lived tomorrow in the same place as we did yesterday? with help, we can. home instead. for a better what's next. (♪♪) whenever heartburn strikes, get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back. also try tums gummy bites!

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courtney, i understand the judge pressed the d.o.j. lawyer on the impact using someone's pronouns would have on their military readiness. can you explain what what happened here? >> yeah. that's right. so u.s. district judge anna reyes really pressed the department of justice attorney on this executive order that president trump issued on january 27th. but as part of that, one of the things that she asked the attorney was about the use of pronouns and how that actually impacts the u.s. military. so she said the she asked how it would impact military readiness specifically, and she before the attorney was even able to answer or complete his answer, she said it doesn't because it doesn't. any common sense rational human being understands that it doesn't. so much of this hearing today, christina, really focused on the attorney. and excuse me, the judge and raise pressing the department of justice attorney about the interpretation of this january 27th executive order by donald trump. now, as she was

pointing out the judge, it seems as that it basically eliminates or bans any transgender individuals or people who have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria from serving in the military. but the department of justice attorney really pushed back on that and kept saying, look, this is laying out a framework that the secretary of defense, pete hegseth, will have to interpret and provide policy on. within 30 days of that january 27th executive order. so the question is, what's next here? there could be another hearing tomorrow, maybe one next week. but christina, i think that the next thing we will wait to see is that policy by secretary hegseth. what comes out of that? and then whether, in fact, the judge then will have another hearing or even just make a determination whether in fact this there should be an injunction or there should be a halt to the pause of allowing transgender individuals or those diagnosed with gender dysphoria from serving in the military or, very critically, those who are in already from receiving medical care. christina.

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