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>> good to. >> be with you. i'm katy tur. what is doge doing at the social security administration? overnight, we learned the top official at that agency resigned when doge tried to get access to a system that contained personal data, including americans bank information, their social security numbers, income and earnings records, marital status, dates of birth, and in some cases, medical records. what for? it is the same question we had yesterday with news. a doge affiliated worker wanted access to a database within the irs that contained americans tax returns, their personal id numbers, their bank information, their income, their home addresses. again, why? yesterday on fox, caroline leavitt gave hannity what is now. >> becoming something. >> of a stock answer for anyone worried about what doge is getting at. >> i've been fighting fake. >> news reporters all. >> day long here in the

washington, d.c. swamp who are trying to fearmonger. the american people into believing that this administration is going after their hard earned tax dollars and. >> their hard. >> earned social security checks. >> so i want. >> to set the record straight. on your show tonight, sean, and i'm very grateful for the opportunity to do so. president trump has directed elon musk and the doge team to identify fraud at the social security administration. they haven't dug into the books yet, but they suspect that there are tens of millions of deceased people who are receiving fraudulent social security payments. and so. >> their goal in. >> going into the social security administration is to identify three things. >> number one. >> to identify duplicate payments. >> and to end them. >> number two, to identify payments that are. going to deceased people who. >> are no longer. living and should no longer. >> be receiving that money. and number three, to protect the integrity of the system for hard working americans who have been paying into it their. entire

lives. >> joining us now from west palm beach, nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard. actually, not with us. i'm sorry. let's go to new york times chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst peter baker, also staff writer. >> at the atlantic. tom nichols, congressional economics correspondent, the. >> washington post jacob gage, and former. federal prosecutor for the southern district and eastern district of new york, barrett berger. >> jacob, i'm going to. >> begin with you. yesterday, you walked us through what was happening at the irs. so, well, i wonder if you can help us understand what's happening with doge at social security, because with the irs, this system that was trying to be accessed or is being asked to be accessed has a lot of personal information, much of the same personal information that you would be able to find at the social security administration. >> yeah. >> that's right. >> and when we. >> talk about the record of social security. >> in some. >> cases they get even more. >> sensitive than what's at the irs. >> i mean. >> social security is going. >> to have.

>> obviously your social security number, bank information, because a lot of social security payments are made via direct deposit. it's going to have your family relations. and social security also has the largest repository of medical information. >> in. >> the world. and accessible. given the. >> broad scope of what. >> folks from doge. >> are seeking. >> all right. so, peter, when we see that doge has access to this, i guess the question that i keep having is why i mean, you heard caroline leavitt say that there are millions of dead americans who are still getting social security payments. that is one of the explanations they say they're citing fraud, irs, same thing. they're trying to root out fraud. but there's so little transparency around this. why aren't they being clearer with the american public? >> yeah, i think there's a level of distrust here, obviously. right. i mean, this is somebody elon musk who doesn't have any experience in government, who isn't elected, who doesn't even

have a full time government position. in fact, he's a special government employee, meaning he gets to keep his private companies, which benefit from billions of dollars worth of federal contracts, even as he's rooting around through the government and making big decisions about what gets to stay, what gets to go, who's doing the right thing and who's doing the wrong thing. so i think it indicates a level of distrust, and it obviously is exacerbated when you see the head of the social security administration stepping down. obviously, there's some concern there on the part of the additional career. people who run the social security agency that something untoward might be done here in terms of this personal information and that that has driven a conflict here. now, you heard caroline leavitt say they're looking for fraud. they're looking for duplicate payments. and there is some experience showing that there are issues with that. there has been a government accountability office study saying that the government pays out hundreds of billions of dollars a year in payments that it shouldn't make.

but whether or not elon musk is able to determine that from this information, or whether this information is going to be used for that, you know, i think a lot of people are skeptical about. >> they keep comparing this moment. to what al gore was in charge of during the clinton. administration in the 90s, back when he was going through the federal government to make it more efficient and less wasteful. ultimately, the. >> end of the 90s. >> saw a balanced budget. it was successful. it was part of the reason why is it a fair comparison, tom, to compare this, what elon musk and doge is doing to what al gore was doing. >> know what elon musk is doing is trawling through agencies to scoop up information without actually trying to make them more efficient or more streamlined. this is and i think part of the. >> reason he's. >> doing is just he and his teams is. >> just to see. >> if they can. >> this is just. >> you know, flexing muscle. >> to. >> walk in and turn to a. >> senior civil.

>> servant and say, i want this, and let's. >> see. >> if you. >> have the spine to deny it to me, and then i. >> can get you fired. >> you know. >> i was actually in the. >> working for the federal. >> government during the reinventing government thing, and. >> a lot of it was just like getting. >> rid of. >> redundant paperwork or outsourcing things that the government was paying to do to private companies. i remember that's when security clearances started to get outsourced to companies. >> that would do. >> investigations and contractors. >> this is. >> completely different. >> this is a bunch of guys walking in and saying, you know, give us everything you've got and we'll figure out what's important later. >> peter, expand on that, because i know you were covering this at the time. >> yeah, i think that's right. look, you didn't see mass resignations when al gore did this, right? what you saw was a methodical process trying to figure out what works, what doesn't work, what could be made better, tapping into the expertise of the people who actually do it all the time, as well as people from the outside

who brought some some wisdom to bear on it, but not setting them up in conflict with each other. right? not setting them as a as if it's an assault. remember, you know, who's now the omb director said that he wants federal agency employees to come to work and feel that they are the villains. so this is the way elon musk and his team look at it. everybody in the government today is a villain who is somehow, you know, perpetrating a deep state conspiracy against the american people. that's that's, you know, that's fine. that's obviously good red meat for a political campaign. but it may or may not be the most constructive way to actually find genuine fraud, waste and abuse, if that's your goal. >> yeah. he says they want he wants federal workers, the civil service, to feel traumatized. he wants them to feel trauma from what donald trump does in order to gut the government. he doesn't want them to feel like they're the good guys at all. he wants them to feel trauma. he's been very clear about that. what is the goal, though? i mean, and not not what is the goal? why does. donald trump have this sort of authority? how did he

get this sort of authority, this mandate from enough. >> of. >> the american public to put him into office? tom. >> he doesn't. and we. >> shouldn't accept. >> that framing. he doesn't have a mandate to do this. he had a mandate to be donald trump and come back for a second term. but he i think, you know, nobody. >> i. >> shouldn't say expected. >> can i rephrase? let me rephrase. >> the question. >> sure. why was the ground so softened in order for him to be in a position to do this? why, you wrote a whole column about the downfall of expertise or the targeting of expertise. why did americans suddenly stop trusting the experts, stop trusting that the government could get the job done? >> well. that story goes. >> back a long way. but in the immediate term for donald trump, in part, it's because every day donald trump and his subordinates and his lieutenants came out and said, the government is not trustworthy. i mean, they messaged this every single day to the point where

people started to believe things that are just bonkers about their own government. you know, the kind of things we're talking about now with, you know, the billions and billions being paid to. dead people and deep state conspiracies and a lot of other nonsense. >> so the ground. >> was softened because donald trump and his people. prepared that ground quite well, especially after the pandemic. this longer issue of trust in experts in general, you know, the standard answer goes all the way back to vietnam and the distrust in government and watergate and so on. but there's a much longer story there. the reason that donald trump can do the things he's doing right now is because he has pumped out a lot of falsehoods and. >> a lot of. >> lies about. what government does and what's going on. and he throws that into the informational bloodstream the way musk does and just makes assertions and says, you know, terrible things are happening and they have to be stopped. and people go, okay, i guess that must be.

>> true. >> jacob, when we're talking about these sensitive databases, the irs. >> or the social security. >> administration and the information. >> they have. >> why is it normally that it's a career civil servant who has access. >> to. >> this alone? why do the political appointees not why are they not usually able to get their hands on this information? >> yeah, that's. >> a great question. >> these are data. >> this is. >> designed for bureaucrats who have taxpayer or consumer or beneficiary facing jobs to do their jobs. so when we talked about the irs database yesterday, i mean, this database actually. takes 60 different databases and puts them in a funnel so that when i call the irs with a question about my taxes, the agent on the other end of the line can pull up my account. and there's all the information. same thing at social security. sometimes these are also used for business analytics and enterprise management, with deep insights

into organizational performance that can be rather granular even if the financial data is anonymized. the performance data can be rather granular and can flick at the kinds of people who are being served. that's why these are designed specifically to be walled off from political officials, because you don't really want a political official knowing, you know, what's in my bank account or what my employment history or medical history is. you want to leave those like tom talked about to the experts, that's their job to serve the american people one on one. >> so what. >> happens if your information gets revealed? what happens if you find yourself in a position where your medical records are suddenly online, or your personal tax information is suddenly online? barrett. is there any legal protection that you're going to have against the federal government if that happens? >> i mean, there.

>> are laws. >> that require the government to treat your personal data with the utmost care and privacy and certain restrictions. how these laws. are going to be enforced remains to be seen, and i can understand why. people feel. >> nervous. >> but there. >> are laws that. protect you. >> people would be. >> able to. >> bring a civil suit and potentially even criminal charges. if these. >> data leaks. >> were done negligently or, you know, in a. truly irresponsible fashion. i just wanted to go. >> back to one thing. and that's this concept. that looking for fraud is. >> somehow a new priority. i would just say. >> you know, in. >> my many years of. >> federal prosecutor. >> we. >> aggressively prosecuted cases. >> of fraud. over social security matters in both democratic and. >> republican administrations. >> including cases. involving people. >> who had. >> died in receiving benefits, including. >> cases of people. >> using fraudulent social security numbers. we made these cases. they were always a priority. >> and we. >> did those without. >> needing access to special databases that wasn't permitted.

>> what you needed was people. >> who had experience. >> and expertise. >> not this special unauthorized. >> access to data. >> so you're. >> politically targeted. >> do you have legal. >> recourse then? >> so again. >> i think this is all kind of unknown territory. >> i think my. >> short answer would be yes, i. >> hope so. for example, if somebody. >> you know, a political enemy has their personal data. >> released. >> i would. still hope. that we have some laws that would. protect them from this kind of vindictive action. but, you know, as we saw with, you know, things such as. the security details being released where we're in new territory here, so unclear, but the courts don't like a chaotic system. so i have to imagine. they are going to still be some sort of a last resort for people if they've had this. >> you know, special. >> targeting of them because of their political. >> beliefs or positions. >> on the note of the courts, we are still waiting for a judge,

tanya chutkan, to give her ruling on the access that doge has. a number of states, 17, i believe, have brought a lawsuit, attorneys general saying that the access is too widespread. he doesn't have the authority to do this. do you have a sense of where that ruling. might fall? barrett i know she was skeptical of both of the arguments during the hearing. >> exactly. >> so i think what we've. seen sort of across the board. right now from a lot of different courts is i think your word was perfect skepticism. >> we've seen. >> courts taking. >> action to pause various. >> action items from the administration in. >> order. to get more complete. >> information. >> because i think what the courts have really. >> focused in on at this point is that they. >> just don't have a complete record, either from the government attorneys. making arguments, trying to defend these legal actions. they have sort of these half. baked legal theories with. >> no real policies. in place. >> we're also. >> seeing a. >> rush on the plaintiff's side when they're. filing for temporary orders. we saw that with the fork in the road decision. >> the court really focusing.

>> on, you know, the chosen plaintiffs not being appropriate. again, i come back to what i said earlier. ultimately, courts don't like chaos. they don't want to sanction actions based on some sort of an incomplete record. >> so that's where. >> we've seen a lot of the action in the last few weeks. but we haven't seen courts really ruling on so many of the merits of these cases. if we don't in those. >> immediate decisions. >> we. >> certainly will in. >> the next. >> few weeks. >> in the courts. the courts shouldn't be the only firewall. usually congress stands up and says, hey, listen, we've got a part to play here and we don't want to hand over our power, our political leverage to anybody, let alone a any anyone, period. a president from another party or a president from your own party. but again, we live in different times now. peter baker, jacob gage, tom nichols and barrett burger, everybody, thank you so much. still ahead, what was discussed during today's meeting between u.s. and russian officials on ending the war in ukraine without anyone from ukraine at the table. and will she or won't she? what new

york governor kathy hochul is weighing with key leaders today about the fate of mayor eric adams. she can have him removed. plus, the education department is facing a doge deadline as well. what elon musk is threatening to do to public schools and universities across schools and universities across this country. we are back in when emergency strikes, first responders rely on the latest technology. that's why t-mobile created t-priority built for the 5g era. only t-priority dynamically dedicates more capacity for first responders. my moderate to severe crohn's symptoms kept me out of the picture. now i have skyrizi. ♪ i've got places to go and i'm feeling free. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me.♪ and now i'm back in the picture. feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements.

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to face to discuss the war in ukraine and russia's return to the global stage. no one, though, from ukraine or europe, was invited to that table to discuss this. the talks lasted more than four hours. the u.s. delegation came out of that meeting saying it was, quote, positive, upbeat and constructive. the russians called it very useful, adding that, quote, the american side has begun to better understand our position. joining us now from riyadh, saudi arabia, nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. what does that mean when the russians are saying the american side has started to better understand their position? >> well, casey, the russians are welcoming what happened today. u.s. allies, many of them are worrying about what happened today. it was seismic, honestly, and in a way perhaps, that we didn't necessarily expect. so i think many people will have thought that these talks today would have been focused on what president trump promised during

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this is progress but slow progress. take a listen. some of the results of those negotiations. >> i think positive dialog, professional engagement. i think it's very important that two sides started to listen to each other, you know, dialog and communication was completely broken during the biden administration. >> it's clearly going to be a slow process. >> it's a slow, difficult process. >> no meeting between president trump and president putin any time soon. >> well, i would say it's a long road ahead. many differences. we need to manage expectations. >> one word what is what is russia going to compromise on? what will russia. >> i think it's too early to say. >> early to say. >> certainly. president zelenskyy katie looking downtrodden today saying ukraine won't agree to deals that are done without its it being in the room. now the trump administration is saying that its envoy will be in ukraine for

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ignored. joining us now, new york city public advocate jumaane williams. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> a troubling time here in new york city. >> to say. >> the least. >> we are in a crisis of leadership in new york city, without a doubt. >> do you have an opinion on what kathy hochul should do? >> you know, i try to be very responsible as as the next in line of succession. but i do believe. it's clear that it's ever been that mayor eric. adams cannot govern the city the way it needs to be governed. and my hope is that. >> everyone takes into. >> account the power they have to make sure. that doesn't happen. that includes voters. that includes the governor, quite frankly, it includes the mayor, who i wish would. make this a lot less hard than it has to be. it it is very clear. >> there's four deputy mayors that have submitted their resignations. it's not clear when they're actually going to leave their roles in government. but how does the new york city government function without these four deputy mayors? >> well. >> i think it's most important to understand here. excuse me. this is not about political rivals. this is not about people

seeking this job. this is about what's best for new yorkers. and what is key about these particular deputy mayors is that they are known for simply just wanting to make sure government is running, regardless of who's there. they struck an amazing intersection of loyalty and courage to step out and say that there's a point in time where we just can't do this anymore. so when you have these particular deputy mayors stepping out saying that they're going to resign, it sent shockwaves. and i think that was done intentionally because the city literally can't run. and some of them were put in place very specifically previously because they have the reputation of making sure the city is running. and so that's a huge, huge. >> financially, this city is in a bit of a dire circumstance. the tax base isn't what it used to be. we've got office buildings that are sitting half empty after covid. people haven't returned to work. there's issues across the city. what do you what do you believe mayor adams is not focused on right now? what job is he not doing? >> well, i would say we right

now actually better than mayor adams himself. tried to make us believe. he tried to blame the migrants for having to cut programs they never had to cut in the first place. the state budget is poised to have a surplus. but i am telling you, and i know everybody knows with the way the white house is going, we're going to be in some, some, some precarious situations. and the mayor's entering budget season now with the city council, it is going to be very hard to focus on the budget with all of this swirling around him. >> without the support of the democratic party here in new york, he's not going to be able to get things done. is that what you're arguing? >> without the support of a lot of folks and without possibly having four deputy mayors who everybody knows are the ones that do the grunt work, if every question is being asked about what's going on with the legal case, are you compromised based on what the doj and southern district of new york said, then the decisions you're making may not be on behalf of being safety for new yorkers, but for yourself. are you going to be

cooperating with the worst of the policies that are coming from the trump white house, which directly harm new yorkers? are you going to make concessions that are going to be harmful? >> what should the city do on the subject of immigration? because if you look at the polling just among new york city residents, 71% support deporting illegal immigrants living illegally in the united states. that's a big number. 54% of voters believe the city's immigration policies are too soft. and i know we're a sanctuary city. we've had we have been for some time. but on the subject of immigration, clearly something has changed over the past few years, especially after the shipment of immigrants from texas up to new york. how does the city. >> by the way, people don't remember. the mayor dared them to do that. >> the mayor and then they did. >> the mayor is the one who said, send them here, we'll show you how to do it. unfortunately, fear mongering works, and the mayor has been a part of that. i can show you some polls and history that have polled well for some pretty bad policies.

>> do you. >> think it's just fear mongering? >> so the answer is yes. if you're asking if there's some problems, there absolutely are. and we have to address them. >> isn't there a. resentment that's building in some parts of the city that. >> absolutely. >> immigrants are getting a lot of help that that city residents. >> this is this is this is absolutely true. and unfortunately, we have the mayor's posture and the posture, what actually is happening. so if the mayor tells you i spent $7 billion on them and i could have spent it on you, you're going to be angry. yeah. but if i say to you that's $7 billion was always here. just like we said, to provide the services that you need. so you should be asking the mayor, why don't you ever spend that $7 billion on me? but you shouldn't blame the migrants for decisions that they didn't make. you should blame the mayor for the decision that he made and others made. and so the issue is, who are you angry at? and they the people who have made the decisions to not spend that money on long term new yorkers who have always needed issues and were in crisis, but not blame the leaders who made the decision to try to blame the migrants and what we've seen in history. so there are two things

at the same time. we have some issues around immigration we have to solve, but the price of eggs and people's health care are not because of migrants, they're not because of trans youth, and they're not because of diversity programs. >> mayor adams has a statement of what you've been saying about him out there. he says he's been clear that his loyalty is solely to the 8.3 million new yorkers he represents. the same cannot be said for politicians like the public advocate, who is not chosen by the people of new york city to be their mayor, who is staying and doing everything he can right now to override democracy and walk into the mayor's position without being elected, despite this investigation, in case the adams administration has simultaneously broken housing records, created the most jobs in the city's history, provided for hundreds of thousands of longtime new yorkers and migrants, built unprecedented public spaces, and made our city safer at every level. as we've said, all deputy mayors remain in their roles for the time being to ensure a seamless transition, and we are actively working to find their replacements, just as it does every day. our city continues to

move forward. so he's saying that you're just doing this because you want to be mayor? >> well, the succession plan is that i'd be mayor temporarily doesn't mean i'll be mayor. so it's kind of deceptive, which is what i'm used to. but just for the record, i was elected as public advocate in the first round. he barely made it to the last round. so we be clear about that. and you also have. >> ranked choice voting. >> yes, ranked choice voting. but you also have to remember which mayor is speaking, the one that says the city is so terrible, only i can fix it. or the one that's saying, look at what i've done. the city is so great, and what we need is a mayor who's going to be honest with the people of where we are and be able to look them in the eye and say, i'm not compromised. and he has a long pattern of history of making very bad decisions. but again, i try my best not to be focused on him. he's clearly in crisis and you see a person in crisis. i wish him the best. my concern is for the 8.3 million new yorkers who themselves now realize they do not have a mayor. they have a deputy, donald trump white house

person. they have a deputy to the white house, not a mayor of new york city. and that's my biggest concern. if we had somebody who was saying, i'm solely focused on making sure new york is moving the right way, that's different. that's not what we had. we have right now. >> we have a mayoral election coming up this fall. there's a primary in june. that primary is basically going to decide who the mayor is, given that it's a democratic primary in the city, generally votes for democrats. there are a number of people in the race. one person who's not in the race so far is andrew cuomo. although it's expected that he might announce. what would you think of an andrew cuomo running for mayor of new york city? >> i'm not sure which would be worse. mayor adams or mayor cuomo. i think people have selective amnesia. we often confuse bullying with leadership. and so i understand why folks would be drawn right now based on what's going on in the white house. but i would remind folks how harmful he was to new yorkers in many of his decisions during covid and even after i'm sorry, and even before covid. >> is there someone you like? >> well, i've decided that right

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bulldozes its way through grants and programs looking for illegal di and waste. all of this has been happening without explanation or warning to states, and teachers are bracing for the consequences. joining us now, president of the american federation of teachers, west virginia, christy skidmore. she has been teaching there for 30 years. christy, really good to have you. thank you for joining us. i think. >> thank you for having me. >> there's not a lot of understanding about what the department of education is actually responsible for. federally speaking, a lot of states have a lot of control over individual public schools, but to lose doe funding or to lose the doe itself, what's it going to mean specifically for individual schools, say, in west virginia? >> well, i can. speak to what i. >> know best about federal funding and public schools. >> in west virginia. >> and that is the title one program. i was a title one teacher for over 26 years. i just stepped out of the classroom when i was elected to

this position in november. like i said, i spent 26 years as a title one program or title one teacher, and actually i spent two years teaching in a federally funded preschool program before that. so, you know, title one, the receives financial assistance to districts and schools with high numbers of low income families. right. and so title one programs help for all children to be able to meet academic standards. >> i mean, in west virginia seems like it's somewhere that might benefit a lot from title one funding. is that right? >> that's right. so i know that there's over 350 schools, title one schools in and covers all 55 counties in west virginia that benefit from title one funding. >> so what happens if that's taken away? what do these schools do? >> well, you know, i've spoken to some districts and they are

just right now working on pure speculation. if they're aware of actual cuts that that's coming, i'm not aware of that. i've been told that they're just trying to prepare as if they know funding is going to be cut. you have to understand that you're talking about staff and programs. but in west virginia, this is right now is personnel season. and that means that this is the time of year that you need to notify staff if they're going to be transferred into a different position or if they're going to lose their position. so not knowing what kind of funding is coming or how it's going to come from the federal level, most likely you're going to have to put your federal employees on notice, which makes it for a very it's a very difficult process for everyone. >> what about. >> also the programs for i noted on the teachers and the staff. what about the programs for the kids? do they still get meals? i

know a lot of schools rely heavily on making sure that everybody is fed through the public meals program that it provides. does the federal funding go into that? >> yes. we have some counties in west virginia. that federal funding provides free lunch and breakfast for all students. and even if those federal funds. i'm sorry. >> that's a big deal. >> it is a huge deal. i mean, not only is that a huge deal, we know nutrition is linked to school success. so we know that that's a huge deal for our students. but we also know that that can hurt the pocketbook of parents and grandparents raising children. so not only do we have counties that, you know that benefit from federal grants that provide free breakfast and lunch, but to my understanding, the department of education also works even to subsidize, subsidize school lunches and

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