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all of it. the reidout with joy reid starts now. hi, joy. >> how you doing? >> colbert speaks for me. because you know what? it just actually is the gulf. >> of mexico. >> i don't. know what to. >> tell donald trump. i just don't know how. >> to help him. >> it's what it's been. >> it's what it is. >> thank you, my friend. >> have a great evening. all right. cheers. >> and thank you so much. >> for joining. >> us tonight. we just have a. >> lot. >> we have a lot to get to in the next hour of the reidout, including the. >> resignation of the head. >> of the criminal. >> division of the. >> u.s. attorney's office for d.c. >> who refused to. >> carry out. >> politically motivated orders. >> to take actions. >> that happen to be unsupported by evidence. >> all part of trump's revenge. >> tour, plus. >> the chaos in new york city with the mass resignations of eric adams, deputy mayors and the. governor holding meetings. >> to decide. >> whether to remove adams from. >> office. >> city comptroller brad. lander says adams needs to prove that he can continue to govern. and he joins me later in the show. but we begin tonight with the question of trust. donald trump's white house is telling
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us to trust them and to not look at all the dumpster fires that they set when they unleashed the made up department of government efficiency on nearly every facet of the federal government with blow torches in hand during co-president elon musk's oval office press conference last week, he said the trust will be warranted due to their transparency. >> transparency is what builds trust, not simply somebody asserting trust, not somebody saying they're trustworthy, but transparency so you can see everything. >> that's going on. >> yes. >> and asserting trust. well, for the last week, we were promised the receipts for all the rampant waste, fraud and abuse they claim to have uncovered. the doge website said it was coming no later than valentine's day. it didn't. they said it would come over the weekend. it didn't. and now they finally started putting out something on their website. it makes you wonder why it took so long. how self-selective were they about? what made the list? and more importantly, sorry, why
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are we supposed to trust that what they're putting out there is even accurate? who's the outside entity that is verifying the information? is there anybody auditing it? what stops them from just making up numbers as to what money they've supposedly saved? and let's not forget that their website has such poor security. it was hacked last week. if we want to talk trust and transparency, when are we going to hear more about doge looking into the multi-billion dollar government contracts for musk's companies? how about how about the contract that musk has to send the first woman and person of color to the moon? that seems very dry. what about the fact that musk is already getting things wrong in his justification to go after social security? musk claimed, without any real evidence, that there were millions of people over the age of 100 receiving social security benefits. that was very quickly debunked, with experts pointing to a simple quirk of the decades old coding
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language used by the agency. and then there was the absurd claim that $50 million was spent on sending condoms to gaza. that was also debunked. musk's response to that one was frankly, not reassuring at all. >> some of the. >> things that. >> i say will be incorrect and should. >> be corrected. so nobody's going. >> to bat a thousand. >> i mean. >> any you know. >> we will make. >> mistakes. >> but we'll act. >> quickly to correct any mistakes. >> oh, okay. well, you know, the thing is that the idea of the government being transparent about how they spend our tax dollars is actually not a bad one. lots of americans would love more info on that. but we're somehow supposed to just trust this foreign born technocrat because he's a billionaire, even though he knows literally nothing about these government agencies? adding to this lack of trust and transparency is the fact that while donald trump announced back in november that musk was going to lead doge and has repeated that numerous times
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since, a new d.o.j. court filing claims that musk is not actually running doge, but rather is a senior advisor to the president. so the man who has a meme coin by the same name, whose own employees make up the staff of doge, is not actually running it. does that mean the guy known as big balls, or the one who posted normalized indian hate that that they're running the show? are we supposed to believe this teenage and 20 something coder gang who know nothing about these agencies and didn't understand the coding at the social security agency, or who we're supposed to trust to audit their own work. the people whose actual job, by the way, it is to make sure that our tax money is being well spent, the inspector generals, they've been fired by doge. and we're further seeing the firings and resignations of the very career officials who would be keeping these agencies afloat and keeping us all safe, like the head of the food and drug administration. you know, the ones who make sure our food and drugs are safe. the federal aviation administration. how do you feel about flying these days, fellas? and the acting
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commissioner at the social security administration. but the white house expects us to just trust them. and whoever is overseeing doge. joining me now is doug jones, former democratic senator and former us attorney from alabama, and jason johnson, professor of journalism and politics at morgan state university and host of the podcast award with jason johnson. i'll come to you in a moment, but i want to come to you first, jason, because the reality is, you know, and you and i have chatted about this, there is a it's easy to demonize the government because most people don't know what government agencies do. and they have a vague sense that when we pay our taxes, the government is wasting the money. so if you say, well, all this money went to foreign aid, people say, okay, good, cut that, because they really don't know what it is, but they seem to be at this sort of dodge, whatever it is, taking advantage of that by saying, we found all this waste, fraud and abuse. and they have no, they're not proving it. they're just putting out a list of things they claim they're cutting. >> well, yeah. >> they have no. >> proof because they. >> never knew. >> any of this stuff. right. i
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mean, the thing is, you have elon musk who is running this organization, right? >> let's let's. >> not pretend that he's not running it. this whole sort of thing. they're doing this shaggy defense of it wasn't me. i'm not really running it. that doesn't. >> really apply. >> he doesn't understand government. >> he is. >> literally been the greatest welfare recipient for most. >> governments for the last. >> 5 to 10 years. >> of his career. >> and so all he knows is that government pays him. >> he doesn't. >> know. >> what government actually does for. regular people. so that's that has been a problem from the very beginning. it's one of the reasons people have been able to resist him. and it's one of the reasons that i think democrats in general should be criticizing this much more aggressively, because the person who's actually. running it doesn't even understand the government agencies that he supposedly. >> shaken up. right. and, you know, senator jones, let me just go through some of the stuff. so they the top social security officials stepped down after disagreements with dodge over sensitive data. we were in the middle of tax season. the leader of the fda food division is gone. i think we kind of need him. the trump administration he out. they ousted more than 400 department of homeland security employees in a workforce purge. i thought we needed homeland security. hundreds of faa employees. that makes me feel
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very nervous to fly. health agencies lose staff members in key areas. then they try to hire people back. they get rid of people, and then they're running and scrambling to try to bring people back on because they really, actually didn't mean to get rid of them. and so now they're like, oh, hold on, usda people who are trying to keep us from dying from our food, can you please come back? and nuclear people too? like they don't even understand who they're firing. doug jones no, it's a joke. >> it's a level of incompetence that we've never seen before. >> in government. >> when donald trump first. >> came in in 2017. >> he at least. >> had people. >> around him. >> that, as. >> jason said. understood government. >> understood the workings. >> of government and. >> what people in civil service do. these guys don't. >> they don't have a clue. >> and they think that just by. cutting individuals. they're somehow cutting waste. >> and abuse and. >> they're not. they're cutting out programs. >> they're cutting out. they're really. >> not just the livelihoods. >> of those. >> individuals. >> but they're. >> cutting out. so many. >> programs that are. >> vital.
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>> to so many americans. >> across this country. whether it is nih grants. whether it's. >> defense contracts, you name. >> it, they are there. >> it is really, truly. >> an incompetent. >> level of government. and to say that that. >> elon musk. >> is not. running the united. >> states right now. >> is, is really a fallacy. >> i mean. donald trump. >> is. >> just basically a yes man right now. >> for everything. >> that elon musk. >> is doing. >> yeah, absolutely. i'm going to come back to that because judge chutkan, who is who will be familiar to y'all from her cases involving donald trump, has ruled. it doesn't sit with you for a minute. judge jones. she's she's i read through her order denying the request for plaintiffs relief to a restraining order to make them stop some of the stuff that she said in here i thought was odd. you know, defendants have allegedly used this unfettered access and authority to terminate personnel, entire agencies on temporary leave, transfer data to outside servers. but she somehow said, because the things could happen
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but haven't happened yet, no relief that essentially these states don't have a i don't understand it, do you? >> yeah. >> you know, joy. >> look, the fact of the matter. >> is that. >> i it appears that. judge chutkan is. >> actually following. the law. >> and the rule set. >> she said that these a.g.s. >> didn't have standing yet. that's not to say that they won't have standing. this may not be just right just yet by these cuts, and the attorney generals may not be the ones to bring this case. >> look, there's. >> a lot of cases that are going to. >> be. >> filed out there. >> i think standing is always a problem. but i put a, you know, look, i'm a big fan of judge chutkan for a lot of reasons. and if she sees some issues, then you know that she's also not just answering the questions. and that is. before us. she's also signaling to others that this is the way that you can get this done and abide
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by the rule of law. the thing that the trump administration doesn't really care about, but do it appropriately. that's what she's signaling. watch for these things to be amended or refiled by different parties. >> this is why we love doug jones. you see how you look, how you just talk me down. look how you just did that so calmly. but but you know. but the point, i guess the thing that is frightening about this and i'll come to you on this, jason, is because it is asymmetric warfare, right? one side believes in the rule of law, as judge chutkan does. the other side does not. i'm gonna do something i don't normally do. i'm gonna play jesse watters on, on on tonight. let me play him. because he made an admission that i think is actually kind of stunning about what we know is going to happen with this judge website and all the self-selected stuff that's on there. here's jesse watters explaining how this is going down. >> we are waging a 21st century information war warfare campaign against the left, and they are using tactics from the 1990s. what you're seeing on the right is asymmetrical. it's like grassroots. guerrilla warfare. someone says something on social
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media. musk retweets it. >> rogan podcasts it, fox. >> broadcast it. and by the time it reaches everybody, millions of people have seen it. >> so by so basically everything that's on that website which they've selected, they've added it, we don't know any of it is verified. they're going to say, look, we saved $20 million here. and then as jesse watters said, rogan will repeat it, fox will repeat it, and they put it through the information cycle. you know, it's not going to be on there. how much did we spend to send donald trump to the super bowl or to the indy 500? that ain't going to be on there. >> they're also not going to have how much musk gets in contracts. they're also. >> not. >> going to have all of musk's bids. that every single inefficient thing he finds, he's just going to offer his own company as a private contractor to fix the same issues like what they're doing with the faa. but here's the thing. we always have this sort of conversation about information warfare. we're in such silos now. i don't even know if what jesse watters admitted to is as effective as he thinks it is. first off, who's watching jesse watters, right? real talk. i mean, he has certain numbers, but no one's
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accidentally stumbling onto him. no one's accidentally stumbling onto joe rogan. i think a lot of this is being amplified in the silos, that people are in the real value right now. the opportunity for resistance is the large number of people who have tuned out, the large number of people who are upset, who are waiting to have someone break through the nonsense and tell them, by the way, your grandma is not going to get that free meal anymore in north dakota because they pulled out of funding. by the way, your daughter is not going be able to go to school this fall because they've pulled back the funding. by the way, who here feels safe lying like you and i. >> are talking about? >> that's the opportunity to break through because those are real things people are feeling, regardless of what podcast. >> and that is an excellent point because right there, existing conservative audiences, doug jones, that already are going to just get the feedback loop of, look, they're cutting waste, fraud and abuse. they're going to show up in the trolling, you know, of liberals. they're going to show up in your comment sections, but no new people get added because in local news, they're going to hear about the farmer that was doing u.s. aid based on grants, was sending money to, you know, some place in, you know, bulgaria, but they don't have that anymore. the universities
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that are losing research funding because that research funding happened to come from usaid. et cetera. this is going to hurt a lot of people, including in red states, and they're going to find out about it, not through jesse watters. >> no. >> that's absolutely right. but i'm so glad you played that clip from jesse watters, because it. >> tells you. >> part of the problem that i think democrats have had, and that is we've not kept up with the technology to get messages out. the good things that we're doing, we are getting defined by all of those, all of those voices on the right. and we're not talking about this. the one thing i disagree with jesse about is that we're not using 1990 technology, how we're using 1890 technology and that, and we're getting nowhere. jason was just nailed it. we have got to be able to go to places where people are. people are not tuning in to news anymore. they're getting information and they're getting entertainment,
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and we're not going there. and until democrats, we can talk about messaging all we want to. but until we start reaching people who are really tuned out to politics, don't care about politics, are getting information in different sources, in different places, it's not going to matter because we are getting defined in ways that make the democratic brand somewhat toxic. >> jason. >> we had two weeks of conversation because someone got so frustrated about medicare that they committed a crime, right? that's what. breaks through. it may be sad. >> it may. luigi. >> yes, luigi. >> that's what ends up all over the internet. >> still breaking through. i'm not saying violence. obviously, no one encourages violence. but you can break through with unique action. you can, as a resistance, break through and say, we're going to do a thing that nobody expects. we're going to show up at a building that nobody expects us, and we're going to push our way into the building. we're going to stand here with 27 different health care workers who are helping veterans, and we're going to stand here all day until the local news sees me, until the
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local blogger sees me, there are ways to break through. you have to stop using the same. >> silos there are. there's a whole genre on tiktok right now of the ways that people are protesting at tesla, including walking around with cardboard signs of elon musk giving his heart, is what he said he was doing. and the tesla dealers are horrified and are like, you have to take that out of here because that's not what we want. >> and joy. and by the way, it's just not protesting. you know, protests are great. but one of the things that i have, i think congress ought to be doing, you know, we're in the minority in both the house and the senate. so you're not going to get sanctioned to go out into the country to do congressional hearings. but doggone it, they can have mock hearings. the d, triple c, and the d sec can go into these local towns, go into red communities and talk about how these cuts are going to affect those communities. make a record. the local media, as jason said, will cover that. and not not town halls, not town halls, because that's. just hearing. >> they call those field
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hearings. they used to do them during the civil rights movement. this is how, you know, doug jones was a civil rights lawyer because they used to do them during jim crow. you do a field hearing, listen to that congress, go in your community, go in those communities and let these people talk because they are hopping mad. they're just not getting on tv. former senator doug jones, who talks me down when i'm, you know, feeling blue, and jason johnson, who, you know, sometimes makes me feel blue. sometimes he does comic stuff with me. we talk comic stuff and that helps me feel better. thank you both very much. coming up, the latest on the threat to our judicial system with the head of the criminal division in the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. resigning in protest of a trump administration demand. the details on that next. >> here you go. >> is there. >> any way to. >> get a better. >> price on this? >> have you checked single care? whenever my customers ask how to get a better price on their meds, i tell them about single care. it's a free app accepted at pharmacies nationwide. >> before i pick. >> up my prescription.
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>> tonight, donald trump is promising retribution at the department of justice or i should say, more retribution. in a post on his social media just a short time ago, he said he has instructed the termination of all remaining biden era u.s. attorneys in an effort to, quote, clean house. it's sure to create more chaos in a department already in turmoil after a top prosecutor, head of the criminal division of the u.s. attorney's office for the district of columbia abruptly resigned on monday. denise chung's resignation came after she refused an order to freeze bank assets, citing a lack of evidence. nbc news has learned that the freeze had to do with the environmental grants issued during the biden administration. the u.s. attorney for the
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district of columbia, ed martin, a former stop the steal activist, ordered miss chung to send a letter ordering the freeze. in her resignation letter, she wrote, based on the evidence i have reviewed, i still do not believe that there is sufficient evidence to issue the letter you described, including sufficient evidence to tell the bank that there is probable cause to seize the particular accounts identified, because i believed that i lacked the legal authority to issue such a letter. i told you that i would not do so. you then asked for my resignation. i remain committed to the oath that i took, and it has been an honor of a lifetime to be an ausa in this office. i know that all of the ausas in the office will continue to uphold that pledge they have taken, following the facts and the law and complying with their moral, ethical and legal obligations. this latest resignation comes after seven seven senior public corruption. prosecutors resigned last week over an order to dismiss corruption charges against new york mayor eric adams. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst
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barbara mcquade, a former u.s. attorney in michigan. and i will note that you are one of 850 federal prosecutors who signed a letter in support of federal prosecutors inside of the doj. it seems to me that perhaps one of the most frightening things that a department of justice could do is order some of these funds frozen for no other reason than politics. but that seems like that's what was happening. >> yeah, we don't know all the details, of course, but we do know that this prosecutor thought that there was not enough evidence to establish even probable cause, which is a relatively low standard, but it is reasonable. >> grounds to. believe that. >> the. >> facts are true. and if she couldn't rise to even that level, there must have been a complete. absence of evidence. you know, i signed that letter because i can't imagine what it must be like to be one of these prosecutors getting an order from a supervisor to do something you find unlawful. in my experience, so often it was
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the supervisor that you went to for advice to say, you know, can i do this? does the law permit this thing? and it was the supervisor always advising caution and bringing out the rule and showing how the law works and making sure you are in compliance with that, and teaching young lawyers the right way to do things. the idea that there are supervisors out there who are directing. their reportees to do these things is really painful to somebody who grew up in the department of justice. >> can you just talk about the sort of atmosphere and folks that you're talking with at main justice and in, you know, places like southern district of new york? i mean, you one thinks nixon, but nixon was, you know, ordering people to do things they found distasteful and they resigned. this is a combination of people doing that, resigning because they find orders to be corrupt or corrupting. and donald trump now saying he's going to clear out all of these prosecutors simply because they were biden appointees. this feels like he wants very desperately to corrupt the department of justice.
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>> yes. i mean, it is common for u.s. attorneys to turn over when there is a new presidential administration. so that part alone doesn't bother me. but there is this idea that you see a through line in so many of these communications, donald trump's executive orders and many of the memos that were issued by attorney general pam bondi when she first took office. and they all say things like, we want to make sure that you will discharge your duty to implement the president's agenda faithfully. that is not the oath that prosecutors take. the oath prosecutors take is to support and defend the constitution, and the president has a duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. so certainly, a president can suggest certain priorities in general terms as topics, but should not be directly involved in case decisions about whether to charge or dismiss charges or what those charges should be. that is where the independence of a prosecutor comes in, and it
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is a matter of their integrity, of deciding whether the facts and the law support that decision. so i absolutely stand in support with this prosecutor who resigned rather than seize funds without probable cause. >> right. i mean, that's what it's supposed to be, but this is the i want to read you an executive order donald trump just signed. i think this might have been today claiming that only the president or the attorney general can speak to what the law is. that's seems. let me just play it. here he is. trump signing this eo. >> we have another executive order. >> that president. >> trump signed. >> relating to independent agencies. >> this executive. >> order would establish. important oversight functions in the office of. >> management and. >> budget and its subsidiary. >> office. >> oira. >> supervising independent agencies and many. >> of their actions. >> and also reestablishes. the longstanding norm that. >> only. >> the president. >> or the attorney general can. >> speak for. >> the united states. when stating an opinion as to what. >> the law is. >> reestablishes the long
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standing norm that only the president or the attorney general can speak for the united states. when stating an opinion as to what the law is, i always thought that's what the courts do. >> yeah, exactly right. joy. well, this is what this is doing, really is consolidating power with the president or the attorney general saying that only they can issue interpretations of rules. of course, we've had agencies do that. that is the tradition that is the norm, that agencies can write their own rules, that they can interpret what rules mean, what language means. and the idea is, you know, congress writes the laws, but it doesn't have the bandwidth to get down at a granular level, about every little way to carry out those rules. and so what we have is administrative agencies who make their decisions along the way to figure out the best way to implement those things, to consolidate all of the power with the president or the attorney general is an extension of this theory of the unitary
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executive theory that when the constitution vests the power, the executive power in the president, it vests all of it. and so the president can control there is no such thing as an independent agency. all of it is to be decided by the president. he can control all of it. i think we are probably on a collision course with the supreme court to interpret that. but for better or worse, this court seems very sympathetic to that theory. the unitary executive theory of executive power. >> so what happens when the president, if the president, i should say, decides he doesn't have to listen to the supreme court either? >> well, we'll we'll see where we are when. >> we. >> get there. but that, that that would truly be a constitutional crisis at that point, the only option we have is for congress to serve as a check on that abuse of power by the president through impeachment. we'll see if they're able to rise to the occasion. >> yeah, that that's not going to happen. so there we go. it is how we wind up with king george, with king george the fourth, barbara mcquade or king donald
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the first. thank you very much, barb. appreciate you. and coming up next, chaos in new york city. with a wave of deputy mayors resigning amid eric adams agreement to work with trump as governor, hochul meets with leaders today to discuss the path forward. the city comptroller is asking the mayor to prove he is still able to to prove he is still able to govern, and he dry... tired... itchy, burning... my dry eye symptoms got worse over time. my eye doctor explained the root was inflammation. xiidra was made for that, so relief is lasting. xiidra treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. don't use if allergic to xiidra and seek medical help if needed. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort, blurred vision, and unusual taste sensation. don't touch container tip to your eye or any surface. before using xiidra, remove contact lenses and wait fifteen minutes before re-inserting. dry eye over and over? it's time for xiidra. stole my social security.
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the corruption case against mayor eric adams, protesters gathered outside the offices of new york governor kathy hochul this morning, demanding that she remove adams from office. the protests come as the governor met with top new york city leaders today on just exactly what that would look like. and it follows her strongest indication yet that she just might remove adams. the mounting pressure comes after four of adams top deputies, the city's highest profile public servants, announced their resignations on monday. it followed seven top doj prosecutors, including ones directly involved in adams case, resigning last week in protest. and a federal judge calling for adams attorneys and doj prosecutors to appear in court tomorrow to explain the request to dismiss criminal corruption charges against the mayor of new york, which included allegations of free plane tickets, luxury hotel stays and illegal campaign contributions. allegations adams
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denies. while this might seem like another new york city corruption story, the drama over adams legal case played out as the mayor met with trump's border czar in new york and announced increased cooperation with trump's efforts to remove undocumented migrants, making this story of great national importance because of the potential of a quid pro quo. set aside the fact that new york city is the most populated populous city in the country. the city, with the largest gdp in the country, the financial engine of the united states, the city with the most migrants and home to the most linguistically diverse population in the world. set all that aside. what's happening here deserves special attention because it is representative of a larger pattern that we're seeing from the trump administration, where compromised people control compromised people in a pyramid scheme that ultimately leads to elon musk. joining me now is new york city comptroller brad lander. he's running for mayor.
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and in a letter to mayor adams, lander urged him to present a clear contingency plan for how to manage the city and stabilize his administration, or he'll convene a panel that could remove him from office. mr. lander, thank you so much for being here. how would that work? because it seems to me that the governor has certain powers of removal. does this panel have the same potential powers? >> so. >> of course, what we want is for the mayor to articulate how he can govern the city when he's already compromised by the president. and now, without the four key deputy mayors that supervise the police, the fire department, homeless services. there's going to be a snowstorm thursday. even the sanitation department, the new york city charter, has what's called a committee on mayoral inability. and if four out of five individuals on that committee conclude that the mayor is unable to perform the duties that the city charter assigns him, then they together can sign a form that goes to the city
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council. the council has three weeks to consider it, and if two thirds of council members agree that the mayor is unable to perform his duties, then he would be removed from office. >> and are you on that committee because you're running for mayor? so one might think you shouldn't be on that committee. >> i mean, look, the you know, the charter assigns the comptroller, which is the chief financial officer of the city. one of those positions, also the speaker of the city council, one of the borough presidents, and then two people appointed by the mayor. so it's a pretty high bar. the corporation counsel, the top lawyer and a deputy mayor. so, look, if four of those five people were to conclude that he is unable to do the job, that would be quite significant. you would still need two thirds of the city council. and to be clear, i haven't called for that committee to meet yet. what i called on the mayor to do is put a contingency plan forward and tell us, with your four top deputy mayors resigning, how are you going to do the job that you have to do for new yorkers? >> well, let me read you what he said had to say so far, other than calling the charges against
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him, calls for him to step down a modern day mein kampf, which is just weird. his his attorney wrote this letter. there's a reason that the justice department does not prosecute sitting presidents. and while a mayor is not a president. mayor adams is nonetheless the leader of this country's largest city and needs to be an important partner to the president and his administration. an honest balancing of these concerns against unsupported prosecution theories. in this case, militates strongly in favor of dismissal. that was a letter to donald trump's department of justice. mayor adams is not the president of the united states. what do you make of that letter? >> i mean, mayor. >> adams was. >> elected to represent new yorkers, not to. work for donald trump. that's what this is all about. the justice department is trying through dangling this removal over his head, to say, you're not going to work for new yorkers, you're going to work for us. you can see it when he and homan were on fox and friends, you can see it in the way the mayor is acting. and that's why i felt like it was
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critical. that's why those four deputy mayors, all of whom are appointed by the mayor himself, they feel compromised. their job is to work for new yorkers to pick up the garbage, to keep our streets clean, to keep us safe, not to work for donald trump on his mass deportations. that really is what's at stake here. >> well, if the governor were to remove eric adams. walk us through, what would happen? who would then govern the city of new york? >> so if the mayor would resign, which is what i think he should do, or if the governor would remove him, or if the inability committee in the city council would act. in any case, the public advocate of the city of new york, jumaane williams, would become the interim mayor. he could keep those four deputy mayors, and they could keep doing their job running the city on a day to day basis. we do have an election coming up. there's a primary in june and a general election in november, and i am a candidate for mayor because i believe we need new leadership at city hall. that's supposed to be for next year. of course. what comes from the
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election? but the question is, is the mayor able to perform his duties for new yorkers now, or does he work for donald trump instead. >> and working for donald trump? i mean, the idea of, you know, reports of rikers island being opened up for use for migrants of the administration taking away money that was used to house, you know, homeless migrants that have been sent, in some cases from florida and texas into new york city. walk us through what mayor adams is doing that makes it appear to you that he actually works for donald trump, rather than for the people of new york? >> yeah, those are two great examples. so last week, elon musk reached his hand into our bank account and stole $80 million that belongs to the city of new york that the federal government gave us. and i raised the alarm bell. the mayor could barely be found to say, that's money that new yorkers need to pay our bills. thankfully, his chief lawyer went into court when i threatened to do it
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myself. and then when the mayor was running a few years ago, he said he would abide by the city's laws that make sure we don't overly collaborate with with ice. but now, he said he's happy to open an ice center up on rikers, where they would be looking to take people who have not yet been convicted of any crime and deport them. so those are both places where he's putting donald trump's interests over the interests of the new yorkers who elected him. >> it is a strange, strange world that we live in. new york city comptroller brad lander, thank you so much. please keep us apprized of what is going on in the great city of new york. thank you. and coming up, trump and his administration want everyone to believe that the world respects us now, but it's actually quite the opposite. the actually quite the opposite. the exact opposite, in fact. more on baby: liberty! mom: liberty mutual is all she talks about since we saved hundreds by bundling our home and auto insurance. baby: liberty! biberty: hey kid, it's pronounced "biberty." baby: liberty! biberty: biberty! baby: liberty!
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accuse them of starting the war with the people who invaded them russia. he had three representatives meet with two russian officials in riyadh, excluding our european allies and also ukraine. this is the first time the u.s. and russia have held face to face talks since putin's invasion. french president emmanuel macron hosted an emergency meeting with a dozen leaders from eu member and nato countries in direct response and panic over the u.s. russia rapprochement. ukrainian leader volodymyr zelenskyy was in turkey during the meeting and looking visibly exhausted and upset, and he told reporters we want everything to be fair so that nobody decides anything behind our back. and there's a good reason why he looks so dejected. trump dispatched his secretary of the treasury, scott bessent, to tell ukraine that they need to fork over 50% ownership, more than $500 billion worth of ukraine's rare earth minerals, with nothing in
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return. trump's national security advisor and former house member from florida, mike waltz, told reporters that the u.s. deserves some type of payback for the billions it has paid out to ukraine since the war began. and another russian attendant to today's riyadh meeting told reporters that he was there to focus on future economic relations with the united states, which included joint projects including, for example, in the arctic region and in other areas. joining me now is former white house senior director and state department senior adviser, nara, nara. this is what kind of strikes me as wild, is that this is the kind of direct colonization of ukraine for their resources that the west has typically done in the congo or done throughout in ghana, that they've done mostly to the global south. never seen him do it to a european country. they're doing it now. >> well, and they're and. >> they're doing it without apology. right. vladimir putin,
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when he first. invaded ukraine this time around, because he's been doing this for taking pizza pieces of ukraine for a while this time around, said, oh, this is all because ukraine. >> dared to. >> join or try to join nato. and it's this united states and all these european countries. who think they won the cold war. >> how dare they. >> think they won the cold war? right. >> so this. >> is this is just this. existential thing in. putin's mind. >> that. >> it's him against the west. so then to see. >> what we used. >> to. >> call. >> the leader of the free world, the united states, sitting at a table with saudi arabia, you know, an autocratic regime, a monarchy and putin like that. these are the countries that now the united states is sitting with, pushing. >> our allies aside. >> right. >> pushing that. >> entire history, that post-world war two history. >> pushing all of that. >> aside to what? >> roll back the clock to colonization? >> yes, yes. i mean, literally yes. because what we're seeing here is donald trump again today claiming that it was the it was ukraine who started the war. he said they could have had peace.
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they never should have started it. you could have made a deal. but they are the ones who got invaded. they've said where he's again saying, where's all the money that's been given to ukraine? so they're now saying, because the u.s. is giving some aid to ukraine, we now get to own ukraine's rare earth minerals. and these are the minerals, by the way, the necessary components of more than 200 products across a wide range of applications high tech consumer products, cell phones, semiconductors, computer hard drives, electric hybrid vehicles, flat screen monitors and televisions the places that normally get that stolen from them at places like zimbabwe, gabon, democratic republic of congo, tanzania. it's normally africa where they go and they steal these resources and say, hey, you want loans? give us the minerals. i do find it pretty remarkable that they're treating ukraine this way. i mean, i guess the global south is probably, like, told you. >> this is how. >> it goes. and are we really surprised that the real estate negotiator. right. the dealmaker that is donald trump is being so transactional about if you do this for me, i'll give you this
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back or that he wants something that sounds business savvy for himself. because the reality is with the amount investment the united states has already done in ukraine, ukraine has maintained 80% of its country. russia has not been able to advance, despite all of its quote unquote. power for the last. >> three years. >> it's essentially a stalemate, and the ukrainians are willing to go down fighting. >> for their. >> country, right? they're willing to do this. and now is when the united. >> states pulls the plug or comes back saying. >> well. >> we know. >> elon musk talked to you about. >> starlink, and we're. >> so glad that you liked that. >> but now we also want some more of your we want some something more from this rather than just a simple trade agreement. >> let me let me play a vladimir zelensky who actually runs a sovereign country called ukraine. here's vladimir zelensky. >> help us defend this. >> and we will. >> make money on this together. and here it's very. >> important that. >> in this document. shall be a term to protect it. and that is
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the security guarantees. and if we are not given the security guarantees from the united states, i believe that the economic treaty will not work. >> he sounds rather desperate to say that, hey, let's all make money together. basically, you know, make a deal with me. let me let me play donald trump. this is what donald trump has had to say about ukraine. >> they may make a deal. they may not make a deal. they may be russian someday, or they may not be russian someday. >> that's my that's mafia talk. >> that's this. >> is how he rolls, right? >> i mean, he. >> walks into places where the united states has had long standing. >> relationships, investments. >> of heavy military and humanitarian support, like afghanistan, like ukraine, and decides that he's he's the one who's going to negotiate with the bad guys, not the people on the ground or the people who actually would be responsible for the country. after all, the military, you know, after there's a peace deal, he's going to do the negotiation and he wants to personally benefit from it. >> is the new axis russia, the
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united states and saudi arabia? >> it's an axis of oil development. and if you recall, in when we were having high gas prices here in the united states, our supposed ally saudi arabia. decided to collude with russia in the opec cartel and raise the price for the barrel of oil. so they have not been our friends for quite some time. the united states, they also similarly don't like united states dominance in different parts of the world. so this is a very different, very different. >> but one thing. >> that definitely is clear is that the united states is now the little buddy of vladimir putin. putin runs trump. so now trump has two daddies, putin and elon musk. >> and at the end of the day, i don't think he truly, truly cares about what happens to the people of any of these countries as a result. get some money. it's about maintaining his own power and legacy without having to do any heavy lifting. >> it's a little bit of power because he's the junior buddy of these two other people. thank you. that's me saying that not i'm not gonna put that on you. thank you very much. coming up a
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