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>> it happen. but i know you have an exciting news cameo. coming up. >> and when it's. >> time to get into that, i'll. >> be excited to discuss it. >> tomorrow is the day we can do it. >> tomorrow we can. >> do it tomorrow because i'm. >> people wonder how these forces work. >> we didn't. >> plan this. so tomorrow we can discuss your news cameo. i have that right. >> it's better though, when you catch me by surprise. i feel like the truth always tumbles out. that i. that i've held back. but yes, we have a date tomorrow night. >> i couldn't be more excited. i don't want people to get too anxious. it is just a fun little news cameo. and we will say more as it's time to say more. thanks, nicole. >> have a great show. >> thank you. >> i'll see you tomorrow and i'll see you all right now. welcome to the beat. we have one of our new special reports coming. >> up. >> on america's diversity victories and reporting on donald trump's nepo baby hires and merit problems. that's one of these special reports we do for you in. that's coming up shortly. well, our top story is this the unusual scene of a president doing a joint interview with an adviser, elon musk, stoking even more

questions. >> about their. >> governing plans, their relationship, and what a string of officials have criticized as rushed, indiscriminate and sometimes just illogical cuts to federal programs. and against that backdrop, musk aides are inside the pentagon. we can report that. >> right. >> now with no transparency or announcements about their activities. musk taking a hype and spin approach to government information. he just got fact checked by bloomberg news today, which found that he described some of these new cuts, which the trump administration. >> in part. >> has reversed. hastily. he described them inaccurately, claiming savings that were six times larger than the actual accounting by bloomberg. >> which is. >> a big problem. >> since there are major consequences for government data or related mistakes and misinformation. a lot of people in this country and around the world rely. on the credibility of us government data, not it being off, double, triple or in this case, six fold. it might weaken musk's credibility as he faces court challenges now.

>> fox published. >> a 20 minute version of the interview you see on your screen with hannity. there was no mention of those court losses and setbacks to the trump musk cuts. hannity did outline musk's business bio repeatedly, while the president claimed that despite exempting musk from the requirements that are subjected to the whole rest of the cabinet, any conflicts won't be a problem. >> you were an early believer in tesla. >> you became the. ceo chief. >> engineer. which was phenomenal. spacex. same thing. >> which is unbelievable. first private company to send astronauts. >> into orbit. >> if there's a conflict, you won't be involved. >> starting with. >> paypal and how. >> you became. involved in tesla. >> and spacex and neuralink. >> i mean, i wouldn't want that, and he won't want it. and i know people that would try and take advantage of the situation. this guy is somebody that really cares for the country. >> who needs. >> a linkedin bio. >> when you. >> have sean hannity reading out your greatest hits.

>> we're joined by juanita tolliver, the author of a more perfect union. let me say it. >> like this. >> juanita, i watched the whole interview. it was quite an interview. i did get elon musk's bio. over time. we showed just the highlights and it it posed both what trump allies see as a type of strength. they argue change, quote disruption bringing people in. right. that's what that's what they say it is, but also a type of possible weakness that the president can't just say with his own voice how it is he had to bring the adviser in to say, we're on good terms. see, he respects me, and then give what i think substantively was a very incomplete answer on how the taxpayer will be defended with these big business conflicts. so that's a little bit of what we saw. your thoughts on all the above. >> are you was jarring. >> you said it was quite. >> an interview. i'm like, that was weird. that was just.

>> strange to. see donald. >> trump sitting. >> there while elon musk did a. >> good. >> portion of the. >> talking about. >> himself. >> no less. >> i wonder what trump was feeling on the inside. we know this is someone who does like to suck up all the oxygen in the room, but to share that space, it just made him look small and that he was incapable of leading this nation on his own. without someone like elon musk. and it was also jarring that the interview started with hannity saying, elon musk doesn't get paid by the government, ari, his companies from spacex to tesla to star net star shield, like they all have government contracts. it was also reported just last week that and part of one of those roles. he had a one on one conversation with the prime minister of india, where he's trying to bypass some type of tariffs on electric car sales. right. like there are plenty of conflicts and plenty of benefits for elon musk to line his pockets through his position with donald trump within this administration. so it's just all red hollow to me

throughout the entire interview. >> yeah. >> and your fact check is important. they are protesting. >> too much. it was clearly a point of that. the three of them. wanted to. discuss is their financial bias here. that's what musk has been under pressure for. well, he just through his company, handed $10 million over to trump. trump's handing overseeing the government billions back to his companies. >> right. >> they're not the same, right? >> musk is using his efficiency program to promote crypto. he holds trump is promoting his own crypto, which was at one point valued in the billions. so there is a ton of money sloshing around. the reason they're protesting is, i reminded viewers, is musk will not leave his businesses and join the cabinet. >> people can. >> debate whether these bankers are the best people to be at treasury. but i want. >> to be clear. >> in the biden administration and this one, they had some people with financial backgrounds who divested quit to come into government service. musk hasn't done that. then there's the controversy over

executive orders. hannity did ask a fair question about how so much is leaned on executive powers, which means the next president could roll it all back if you don't actually work with congress. trump hasn't shown an initial interest in that. here's that exchange. >> do a. >> lot of those. >> executive orders. >> have to be codified into law? >> do you need the republican. >> congress to follow? a lot of them will be, yes, they will. look, in the meantime, we have four years. the beauty is we have four years. that's why i like doing it right at the beginning, because an executive order is great. >> juanita. >> look, i think that portion of the interview highlighted two things, ari. he understood that executive orders were temporary, as he later stated, he he canceled a lot of the executive orders that came out of the biden administration. but what he seems to not be highlighting or referencing in his response is the reality that is going to be extremely difficult to get any type of legislation through congress, especially when republicans in the senate are tussling with republicans in the house, as we see over the government spending bill and the

structure of that language, especially when house republicans only have a margin of one seat in that body, this is going to be a massive roadblock. so he used this first four weeks of his administration to try to shock and trauma and make change through these executive orders, but it seems that he fully recognizes that he's going to be stymied and slowed down going forward, because leaning on congress to get anything done is going to be something that he's going to spend a lot of time and political energy on. >> yeah. and that fact seemed to be present. >> in the. >> interview again, sean hannity raising that that fair point, which is a question about republican unity and whether they can get things done that last longer than one term. juanita. thank you. we're keeping an. >> eye. >> on new york mayor eric adams, who was back in court with that trump deal hanging over him. we also have covered these inspector generals ousted by trump, some taking him to court. he wants to take it to the supreme court. we have one of those igs later in the program. but first, our special report we've been working on, america's got diversity victories. even if some people don't want you to

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president trump and his allies have spent years campaigning against diversity, equity and inclusion programs. dei and companies and organizations. now these attacks come on three main levels. first, opposing the actual programs that recruit for diversity, like affirmative action or projects to counter unequal playing fields in business, government, college or life. and there's a valid debate over whether and how to address america's documented discrimination. it actually draws on decades of debates about rules, laws, and policies. the second line of attack is complaints that operate as a kind of symbolic or darker attack on american diversity itself, on the people that make our country diverse in that line of attack, which i bet you've heard about and seen grievances against minorities or women or their possibly rising power in our society are used to single out, criticize, or malign those people and then say, it's just a

policy debate. now on the right, most prominent leaders do not proclaim that quote, there should be no women bosses or no women presidents. instead, you hear these dei attacks that traffic sometimes and grievances against the perceived rise of women and minorities. one trump appointee even proclaimed, quote, competent white men must be in charge, a racist claim that was actually so extreme. most trump aides, to be clear, don't put it like that. and then third, their attacks that offer a caricature or a lie about dei, they basically make something up instead of facing the facts and the nuance. now it's familiar from the playbook, you might remember against so-called woke politics. there are examples of things that are associated with liberalism that could be unpopular or extreme or not work well as policy, but a lot of the woke attacks from the right kind of cherry picked extreme examples, or made things up of whole cloth out of whole cloth, just to define the supposedly

woke left trolling, a kind of a boogeyman version of the thing. instead of reckoning with the thing. now, these efforts, combined with the recent election of donald trump, are having a wide impact now from the government to top companies and even people who might try to tune out politics are finding this supposed dei crackdown is driving issues and debates and sometimes big changes in their workplace or in their schools or even in sports. so our special report for you right now is going to confront this dei debate. and all i can promise you is if you're saying, hey, they're talking about dei on the news, i don't know, give me a couple minutes because we worked hard on this and it could be enlightening and different from what we've heard about the brand dei. we want to distinguish the facts and the actual policy from the disingenuous political hype. so let's turn to the caricature i mentioned of diversity programs as a matter of policy,

the united states broadest diversity program is affirmative action, which is designed to recruit diverse candidates from a qualified pool. it has worked for decades, from the military to top colleges and boardrooms. for example, there may be hundreds of qualified candidates for a single ceo job. so these diversity programs try to make sure the pool, the pool of candidates, includes some diversity, and then factor that into the recruitment and possibly the hiring when people are qualified. if you're curious, it dates all the way back to an executive order by president kennedy in 1961, which stated the government must take affirmative action to combat racial discrimination and ensure fair treatment and commerce. that's where the two words actually first originated, and it's well documented how colleges have had a long history of discriminating on race, gender, and religion negatively. that meant quotas limiting religious minorities or in boosts for elite and white applicants. colleges gave special bonuses for alumni

children, reinforcing the elite white student bodies of generations past. today, it is a fact, as we know that how that worked. so people who claim that rich and white favoritism is over in elite schools are wrong. they're either lying to you or to themselves. now, over time, many colleges began countering what you just saw there that kind of unequal playing field with affirmative action. and like the ceo example, top schools have many, many more qualified applicants than spots. so this incorporates diversity among qualified applicants. while at less selective schools, these policies mattered less. so if most or all kind of reasonable applicants are admitted, say, at a big school, then recruitment and affirmative action fades out of the picture. now, the political attacks on the letters dei are fairly new. you can see here. we'll come

back to that. but the facts are old. decades of data on college affirmative action. it diversified elite institutions. it increased social mobility. and when historically less traditional students got in. and this matters, those students who got in through those programs. do you wonder how they did with all this talk about merit? i want to show you tonight. they did very well. low income students completing their degree at higher rates than the wealthy students, according to several studies, which actually fits the logic of hard work and hustle. students with no fallback plans tend to go the extra mile. that's what the data shows. or as the self-made poet sean carter once recounted, i grew up thinking life ain't fair. there's a different set of rules we abide by here. he was contrasting the target on his back to what he viewed as the rich kids and said, quote, i'm standing in the crosshairs here.

y'all ain't got to be in fear of your bosses there. you lose your job, you pop rich. y'all don't care. all the people who have to hustle harder, who have one shot, they do tend to care. they have to. so now compare this lens to recent di attacks that number one, these programs themselves have become the actual discrimination rather than the actual history i mentioned of quotas at schools or of course, jim crow. and then two, that the existence of these programs themselves in some places must mean that every minority hire is suspect. like the dis. we've heard that someone is a quote di hire diversity, equity, inclusion. >> it's actually discriminatory. >> what will make you. >> money. >> is if you run your company. >> based off of merit. >> not. >> off diversity, but you just want somebody qualified. >> that's all we. >> ever asked for. >> dei has. no role in our society. >> that's all we want. >> we want someone qualified. that's all we want. that was on

fox in a recent discussion that is similar to many. so let's take this claim in two parts. first, this dei hire talk is a huge and obviously offensive allegation. and if you have an allegation, you better be able to prove it against one or more people. the allegation is that women and minorities in a given applicant pool must somehow be unqualified for some reason. and then second, these maga leaders are demanding what they say is the import formal qualifications. that's all we want. you heard it. just their qualifications for the big jobs. all right, let's get to it right now. a month into president trump's term, his appointments show that is false. he's got top people in key posts with scant or sometimes literally zero qualifications, including nepo baby robert f kennedy junior, lifelong democrat, picked to run the pivotal health agencies with zero government experience, hasn't run a large health organization in the private

sector or anything like that. but remember the vow. but you just want somebody qualified. >> that's all we. >> ever asked for. >> that's all we wanted. >> somebody qualified. that's all they want. that is not what they got. their new president has failed that test spectacularly and in public. their test, what they say they wanted. kennedy is now today's most famous nepo baby cabinet member. he was picked over thousands of individuals, including republicans. remember, he's a lifelong democrat, including republicans with more maga bonafides who have health management experience. trump played himself. he prides political loyalty. and that type of fame over the qualifications that we heard were so important in this long running dei debate. and you say, oh, well, rfk is such a special case. is it a one off? no. it joins a flurry of blatant nepotism across trump's two terms, hiring his own family members for jobs ranging from

advisers, which some could explain away better to ambassadorships and diplomacy in other countries with other languages, and a rich history where you need some expertise to heading the whole political party family, family, family. it's called nepotism. and these are powerful posts, some of them with decisions that can be life and death. trump chose by nepotism and favoritism over the qualifications. the military is now overseen by a selection that put tv experience above governing experience. in contrast, blatant contrast to, say, recent experience of other people in that post you see there, this trump meritless problem runs across several posts from the pentagon to the fbi, and some have been objecting even over on fox, sean hannity brought on his friend stephen a smith to discuss current events and viewers. listeners heard this frank assessment of the obvious qualification fail.

>> i'm simply. >> saying, my. >> god, sean, when you're. >> talking about people. >> who are unqualified, i wish him nothing. >> but. >> the best. >> he served our. >> country, you know, in the military. >> i get all of that. >> but when you are. weekend host on fox news and now you're the defense secretary of the. >> united states. >> overseeing 3.5. >> million. >> people. >> let me. >> ask you, does not. >> serve. >> no, it's not that whole objection, which, remember, is one of the key planks of this supposed war on die, which now is being waged in the federal government and against companies and affecting your life and your workplace. that objection now has canceled itself in public. trump shredding the supposed concern about merit and all of those enablers i mentioned and showed who came, claim they cared about that. most of them, as far as we can tell from our research in this segment, this special report, most of them have gone silent. we're not hearing them say, hey, i know i said merit or qualifications for two years about dei. i got to

mention the zero years here. is it some kind of qualification concern? no, they're silent and they've been stoking that spike in dei discussions. well that's not we'll take that off. i'll show you that later. it's not quite the right chart. one point here is gone. the merit argument, the merit objection will come back to the spike. but the merit objection has canceled itself. another dei attack is the claim that america is past the time to remedy discrimination. right now, i'm sure you've heard this one. people who say, look, we are a long ways from jackie robinson. people who say today's playing field is either basically level or even now tilted towards discriminating against, quote, white men. and i want to be clear, because i always talk to you about what's going on out there and the evidence and the discourse. this is common beyond

just say, partizan, right wing or maga circles. joe rogan is one of the most popular broadcasters voices podcasters in our country. he does fascinating interviews apart from politics, by the way, but he's got tens of millions of listeners. this is part of what's mainstream today. and here's what he told them. >> most companies. >> have all these different requirements. and they're openly allowed to. >> discriminate against. >> especially heterosexual. >> white men. >> all right. >> this is the news. so we'll deal in the facts. if quote, most companies are doing that in hiring, you'd see it in hiring. now there may be some troubling cases out there. individual situations, dei practices that are not working, failing or called dei and aren't fair. but the overall facts are this women are half our population. if you go back about 15 years before you heard anything about these dei programs, they comprised about 3% of top company ceos.

now, that's not a level playing field. certainly doesn't mean they've been hiring mostly or only women over those white male candidates mentioned by mr. rogan. okay. what is it now, today, after all this dei that we've heard about for years, 10% of top ceos are women. that's across the 500 largest companies. after the period of the supposed dei onslaught or overreach. i'm going to leave this up for you tonight. i told you, we deal in facts, and sometimes that takes a little longer than sound bites. but either you look at this and you think this is the product of a completely level playing field for gender and hiring, which would mean that, quote, most women are not up to the job, and that's why only 10% or that in that leadership position. or you might look at this and conclude, as many policy makers and experts have as the courts sometimes have when presented with these kind of disparate data results, that it's not a

level playing field. there's still room to grow on hiring and access and diversity. now that's gender. and even though i am a man and speaking to you as a person who does journalism takes the fairness seriously. but i happen to be a guy for some reason. in america, sometimes people have an easier time politically discussing this on gender than on race. so that's the example on gender. keep that in mind. either you think only 10% fits, only 10% of women are, quote, up to the job, or you think there's a disparity there. let's turn to diversity. about 40% of the population now are racial minorities, according to the most recent census five years back. they comprise about 14% of ceos in just the top 50 companies. you see that lagging? those are the big tech and financial firms which drive wall street. that's the top 50. then you have black ceos of major companies. and the question is, are we looking at a hiring system where white men face

discrimination? that's what i showed you the claim earlier or a level playing field. and the us has more pronounced discrimination against specifically black individuals. that's true in policing, in banking, mortgages, we've got blind tests where you see that all things being equal and finances being black hurts your ability to get the same mortgage rate. and we see it in hiring. if you go to the top 500 companies in america. 14% of the population roughly are black americans, under 2%, under 2% of the ceos are black. this is america. and just like the example i gave with men and women, you can look at that and say that must reflect a level playing field and who's up to the job. or you might see something else, especially if you add what we know about american history. people can debate whether the federal government should counter that or how that's part of the debate

i showed you earlier, but there's no factual debate, debate on the data. and it's a big contrast to the we have improved arguments now in our democracy. we have seen that voting rights, when they were actually truly expanded and protected by the federal government, the numbers changed more than what i showed you in business, 1960, women were just 4% of the house. that number is much higher now at 29%. it's far short of a full 50% parity. but you see the jump. in 1960, racial minorities were 11% of the population, but less than 2% of congress. now, again, it's over 40% of the population. and that diversity shift reflects probably some of the tensions and dynamics in play. but those groups comprise nearly a third of congress. racial representation is closer to the general population than gender today. and i mentioned that comparison to 1960. that's before the civil and voting rights laws passed. and that's

not a coincidence. in the old days, we might just say duh, because in the old days, some of these things weren't attacked by so many blatant lies, which can be exhausting to deal with. but those laws work to advance representation in congress in ways that we haven't seen extended in business. another historical point tonight, over time, both parties actually renewed those voting rights laws. so the voting rights was fortified. it was supported on a bipartisan basis, and it protected the representation that allowed everyone to run and vote. may the best person win the race. fact here are some republicans you might know on that point. >> freedom from discrimination. >> must be a. >> spiritual struggle for brotherhood. must be a political struggle. for full participation at the ballot box. but just. >> as important, it. must be an economic. >> struggle for opportunity. >> for decades since the voting

rights. >> act. >> was first passed. >> we. >> made progress toward equality. yet the work for a more perfect union is never ending. fair. >> so let's live this together with the history and the facts. that was the republican vow across those times. that's across decades. president reagan also very clearly announced his affirmative action approach in hiring one of the most important posts, putting a woman, the first woman on the supreme court. he was a republican, considered very conservative at the time, very different from what we're seeing from republican donald trump today. republicans very much say that work is ending in contrast to what bush said never ending the president, not only gutting diversity programs within his administration, but keep in mind he's taking a government anti-conservative approach, trying to pressure all private companies with the power of the federal government to follow his

government hiring practices rather than respecting the free market. he's also threatening different organizations and companies with reviews, with legal reviews of various types. highly unlikely. legal experts think that there would be a valid case to go after a company for how it hires people, but that's also in the push. so the political crusade is a long ways from the recent history and the facts. and look, none of this means that all dei programs work perfectly, or that this should even be the focus i mentioned. the military has used affirmative action for years. i showed you colleges. we saw diversity in our actual representative democracy, which makes sense having trying to have our representatives generally reflect the whole population, which is a struggle for a country like ours, doesn't mean the corporations are the natural home for this. multinational companies are generally not the greatest

engines of broad social progress. and note how today the right is demanding private companies follow their political edicts after complaining that that was the whole problem before, when they said that they had to object to companies that they imagined be at eminem's or disney, following what they thought were lefty woke edicts. now they're just flipping it with a heck of a lot more pressure. i don't recall the federal government being involved in the selection. now, some may hope you don't see the hypocrisy, you don't see the facts, or you don't see the history. and that's the other funny part of this, which relates to diversity and our country and our ability to deal with these tough things, but also the cynical, trolling way that we have been presented with so many different claims. i submit to you the actual history, difficult and slow, is still more uplifting than the

current right wing anti rancor suggests. and you don't have to take my word for it. and maybe don't automatically take the politicians and billionaires word for it. they've approached some of these issues with the speedy, self-interested slogans conceived at the speed of tweets, and they sometimes disappear that quickly. we can also try listening to the leaders across the spectrum who have actually spent years working on these challenges, leading on these challenges, dealing with these in a serious way. if you go to a policy and you take a policy to a large organization and you actually care, you seriously look at the data. over years, there has been several supreme court cases about these diversity programs. affirmative action, for example, was limited over time to make sure that it functioned in a more fair way, that it was merit based, that it also dealt with class to some degree. but all of that work was dealing with trade

offs that aren't exactly new, and a heck of a lot of people took it seriously. because underneath this is not just claims of merit, which we showed some folks don't care about, not just questions of who gets the good job or how we deal with diversity. in some broad sense, it actually doubles back to something we felt in the last several elections. and in a lot of the strife we're dealing with, and a lot of the ways that people want you to give up or think we are in our worst times, which of course depends on what we all do. america is actually different from many other countries and societies and the way they were founded. remember something very simple. we learn about it in school, unlike so many other places, the united states was actually founded as a pluralistic society, not bound by one religion or one race living together or even by birth place. and so all of this comes back. i argue to you tonight, based on the evidence, to something much deeper. can we

still forge ways for all of us to coexist and meaningfully share power as we listen to those other leaders and the lessons of the past? or will we allow ourselves to crumble in division? >> quality and diversity can. >> go hand in hand. and they must. >> diversity. >> equity and. inclusion are. >> the core. >> values of. >> this country. >> we believe our diversity, our differences, when joined. together by a common set of ideals, makes us stronger, makes us more creative. >> i think it's a very important principle. i hope. it isn't. >> in danger. >> it shouldn't be. we are a nation comprised of people from many different countries, backgrounds, religions. >> most economists who studied. >> it agree. >> that affirmative. >> action has also been an important part of. >> closing gaps in economic.

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and is one of the eight such watchdogs now suing the trump administration, saying the nature of the firings actually was unlawful. tell us about about your experience and why you're suing. so. >> as you. pointed out, i. >> became an inspector. >> general in 2016. >> it's a. >> incredibly important. >> and fulfilling role. >> what we try to do is we fight. >> fraud. >> waste and abuse. make the government. >> programs more effective. >> and efficient, hold leaders accountable, and put extra transparency on. >> the government. >> it's a really tough role to do, but it does have great benefits. igs in in the last year contributed about $100,000,100 billion in benefits for the federal government. and that goes directly to taxpayers. and so what happened was we are nonpartisan and independent. that's in the ig statute. we serve across republican and

democratic administrations. >> i started in the. >> democratic administration, served in a republican administration, another democratic administration, and was in another republican administration. and on friday night, on january 24th, i received a two sentence email saying that due to changing priorities, that i was being replaced as the or fired as the inspector general of the department of veterans affairs. and i was a little confused when i got that, because i knew what the law stated is that the president does have the right to fire inspector generals, but at least two things must happen. first, the president must give congress 30 days notice of the intent to fire an inspector general. and to give congress detailed and case specific reasons why. and that's really for congress to have an understanding of why the president wants to make the move. given that we are nonpartisan, we serve. >> let me. >> jump in and say, why do.

>> you think they ousted so many watchdogs? they've run run around and said that they want to cut the very things you guys work on, which would seem to be a contradiction. yeah. >> so i think the reason is that they don't want a truly independent inspector generals doing the job. and the fact that they fired so many of them on the 24th, but more recently, the inspector general for the department of, of usaid put out a really tough report about the negative impacts of downsizing usaid. he put that out on a monday. tuesday he was fired. and that to me, says that they don't want these tough reports. they don't want independent inspector generals. and they don't value the great benefit we provide. >> what happens if you win your case against the trump administration? >> what we're we're seeking for is reinstatement. but this is really more than just about us. what it really is, is to really

protect the integrity of the role of inspector general and to make sure that they maintain them as independent and nonpartizan, because if they're not going to follow the rules on the 30 day notice and the reasons why, then it's possible they're not going to follow the other rules and keep them independent and nonpartizan. >> elon musk says he and his efficiency group will make gains on dealing with waste, fraud and abuse. what do you say to him tonight about him doing that without all of these watchdogs on the job? >> well, we all hope that's that's what happens. we all are looking to try to reduce fraud, waste and abuse. but it's really tough. you can't just come in and start firing people. in fact, that's going to be contrary to fraud, waste and abuse because controls are going to not be in place. let me give you an example of what we do. what we did in a matter that really shows how tough it is to really find fraud, waste and abuse. so a significant number

of commercial airline pilots are veterans, and we wondered how many of those commercial airline pilots were. veterans are also getting disability compensation from va that would otherwise disqualify them from holding a commercial airline pilot. every year, commercial airline pilots have to certify that they're not getting certain disability compensation. so we got the list from the faa, compared it with the list from va. of those getting disability compensation. there were 5000 names on that list. so we brought a number of criminal cases, and then we turned the list over to the faa and said, this is your information and start working it. so while, you know, we're doing this for public safety, and we're also doing it to make sure that people aren't lying to va, lying to faa, or perhaps to both. >> i'm running over on time. but but you think that they are fine to go on without the watchdogs, or that goal that they have is

going to be handicapped without these watchdogs? >> i think it's going to be greatly handicapped. we have large staffs. we work hard at this. we know the agencies. a number of my really dedicated, committed staff came from va. so we know the policies and processes. it takes time to do it. >> yeah. former inspector >> yeah. former inspector general michael my moderate to severe crohn's disease... ...and my ulcerative colitis symptoms... ...kept me... ...out of the picture. now... ...there's skyrizi. ♪i've got places to go...♪ ♪...and i'm feeling free♪ ♪control of my symptoms means everything...♪ ♪...to me♪ ♪control is everything to me♪ and now... ...i'm back in the picture. feel significant symptom relief at... ...4 weeks with skyrizi. skyrizi is proven to help deliver remission... ...and help visibly improve damage.... ...of the intestinal lining at 12 weeks and 1 year. don't use if allergic. serious allergic reactions,... ...increased infections or lower ability to fight them may occur. before treatment, get checked for infections... ...and tb. tell your doctor about any...

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