and farmers and miners and servicemembers and small business owners, gratitude to loyal friends, dedicated volunteers, and talented staff who helped me serve much better. gratitude to this institution that has repaid my devotion so generously over the years and to so many colleagues who have become great friends. gratitude for my family's sup support. and in particular, my ultimate teammate and confidant of the last 32 years, elaine's leadership and wise counsel in her own right have made her the most seasoned cabinet official

in modern history. on top of all that, her devotion to me and to kentucky is a lot more than i deserve. when i arrived at this chamber, i wasn't coming with a governor statewide executive experience or a house member's appreciation for washington dynamics. i knew my hometown of louisville and i spent the previous few years working hard to learn what mattered to folks all across the rest of the commonwealth. and yet within weeks of swearing the oath, sure enough i was here on the floor talking with colleagues from other far-flung corners of the country discussing solutions to a farm

income crisis that affected different states in the same way. i learned quickly that delivering for kentucky that finding ways for the commonwealth achallenges were actually -- challenges were tied to national debates. seeing to major agriculture legislation, remembering kentucky farmers, and particularly including when they needed extraordinary assistance like the tobacco buyout. smaeg sure that -- making sure that nationwide steps on transportation infrastructure included resources for modernizing the bridge that supports billions of dollars of economic activity and the surrounding region. and with the trust of the local community, finishing the task

first assigned by president reagan, the safe destruction of america's chemical weapons at the u.s. army depot. this has spanned the length of my senate career, and i've been humbled to help kentucky punch above its weight. of course the senate has to grapple with foundational questions that reach even more broadly across american life and even further into posterity. we trusted on behalf of the american people to participate in the appointment of the federal judiciary. to be the final check on the assembly of power in the courts beyond the reach of

representative politics. and to be ensure that the men and women who preside over them have authentic devotion to the rule of law above all else. when members of the body ignore or pervert this fundamental duty, they do so not just at the peril of the senate but of the whole nation. the weight of power to advise and consent has never been lost on me. and i've -- on this floor there is no place to hide from the obligations of article i, the senate's unique relationship with article 3 or our role in

equipping the powers of article 2. here every debate over agriculture or infrastructure or education or taxes is down stream of the obligations of national security. every question of policy here at home is contingent on our duty to provide for the common defense. one of the first times i spoke at length on this floor as a freshman i was compelled to join the debate over strengthening the deterrence of america's nuclear triad, whether to expand the u.s. military's hard-target nuclear capability was an interesting question posed to someone whose most recent job had been running a county government. but, of course, was the

founders' brilliance at work. the hopes and dreams of every american are tied up in our ability to protect and defend the nation and its interests. every family traveling abroad and every worker and small business owner who's livelihood depends on foreign trade may depend on the >> next year, ending. >> his decades. >> long tenure there on capitol hill. the 83 year. >> old. >> republican will. retire when. his current term ends in 2026. >> staying in washington. >> we're following a lot of other news today. >> president trump hitting the one month in office mark. >> and here is the latest. >> next hour, the. senate will cast its final vote on kash

patel, the controversial pick to lead the fbi. he is expected to be confirmed despite promising to turn the agency's. headquarters into a museum of the deep state. and linda mcmahon, a wwe executive nominated to be education secretary, was voted through a key senate committee. >> earlier today. >> she would lead. >> an agency. >> which the president has promised to eliminate. this as president trump and elon musk now target the pentagon in their push to slash spending and shrink the federal government. the new defense secretary ordering $50 billion in cuts and a shakeup in leadership at. >> the pentagon. >> could soon. >> be coming. >> as well. at a saudi investment. >> conference in. >> miami last night with elon musk in attendance. the president floated a new idea for what. >> to. >> do with the money. >> that his administration. says it's. >> saving by. >> these doge cuts. >> we're thinking about giving 20% back to the american citizens and 20% down to pay

back debt. >> no word from. >> the president on what happens to the remaining. >> 60% of that money, or comment on the fact that congress would need to. >> act to make this. >> idea a reality. >> meantime. >> the. >> president is. facing new. >> legal setbacks. >> his attempt to. >> limit birthright citizenship. >> which is. >> enshrined in the constitution, will remain blocked. >> after. >> an appeals court ruling on wednesday. so that will likely tee up a showdown. >> in the. >> supreme court. oh, and. this the. >> president posting long live the king on social media. the white house later. circulating a fake magazine cover with a crown atop the president's head. all of this in connection to new york city's congestion pricing controversy, which the president. >> claims is now dead. >> and new york's democratic governor, kathy hochul, blasting the president and vowing to fight. >> back in court. new york hasn't labored under a king in over 250 years. we are not

subservient to a king or anyone else out of washington. >> all right. lots to discuss with our. >> reporters and analysts. with us now, nbc news senior white. >> house. >> correspondent garrett hake, new york. >> times reporter. >> jeremy peters. >> also joining us, lance johnson, former adviser. >> to. >> biden's 2020 campaign. and john kasich, former ohio governor, congressman and presidential candidate. >> he is now. >> an msnbc. >> political analyst. so, garrett. >> what do we know about. >> the let's. >> start with the pentagon, the cuts. >> there and the. >> of course, it's the biggest source of federal spending. >> yeah. and if you want to really make a difference on federal spending, you have to go where the money is being spent. and when it comes to so-called discretionary spending, the biggest bucket is at the pentagon. we know that officials from dodge are inside the building looking for places to cut spending. we know what elon musk's targets. >> have been. >> he's blasted things like manned fighter jets. >> saying that those are. >> programs that are wasteful and will be replaced in the future. and we also know that the defense secretary himself has given guidance to senior staff at the pentagon that they

need to be looking for about 8% of the budget. >> in savings. >> for next year. that's roughly $50 billion. he wants to either cut that money or redirect it to other programs that he believes are more in line with the trump administration's priorities. and this comes on the heels of these cuts that we've been seeing go agency by agency, which, interestingly enough, because of the makeup of the federal workforce, have disproportionately affected veterans. i've had the chance to talk to many of these people who've been laid off, including a man i spoke to yesterday named andrew lennox, who was fired from his job at the va. he was a marine for ten years before he went to the va to try to help his fellow veteran. >> and he. >> encapsulated, i think, pretty well the frustration that so many are feeling at the haphazard nature of these cuts and the way federal workers are being made to appear as villains. listen to part of our conversation. >> it's convenient to create an enemy. >> that everyone's against us. but like, we're federal workers. like, i'm just trying to help veterans. you know. >> it's postal worker. it's all these people. >> we're not some deep.

>> state that. >> like, has ulterior motives. i want to go to work. i want to help veterans, and i want to do it again. and i'd like to do it continually. and i don't want to be dragged into these politics. >> it's worth noting, like the 80% of federal workers who live and work outside of d.c, andrew lived in. >> ann arbor, michigan. >> there are more cuts rumored and. being reported today, including at places like the irs, which of course has offices all around the country, far out of washington. and we're just. >> going to. >> have to keep on top of. the sort of ripple effect of all these cuts as they're coming in day after day. >> and it's important to hear. directly from those impacted. >> they're not. >> just numbers. they're people. >> with families. and livelihoods. garrett. thanks. >> stay with us. >> governor kasich, we need a reality. >> check from you. >> because the president, elon musk, are touting. >> these cuts. >> in tens of billions. but the trump. >> agenda. >> if enacted by congress, could. >> add trillions. >> to the ballooning. >> us debt. so what do. >> you think. >> of all this as a. former republican member of congress and the. budget committee chair?

>> well. >> it's first of all, i. >> don't know how. >> much they've actually saved. >> i mean, they. >> originally saying they were going to save a couple trillion. then they backed off of that. >> and now we're. >> at 50 billion. >> yeah, 50. >> billion, which. >> is a. >> drop in the. >> bucket of i don't. >> know if it's real. >> yeah. >> i don't. >> even know. >> if that's real because a number of these things would. >> have to be. >> approved by congress. >> but you know, look, the problem we have on it is we're at 36 trillion in the hole right now. and it's going to grow. i mean, these budget resolutions, both out of the house and out of the senate, the way particularly out of the house, i. don't see how they have the. means to really enforce. the recommendations they have for savings. let me just try to speak to people. when you get. >> that much debt. >> with the problem you get into is that people who buy your debt begin to wonder. >> whether it. >> will ever be paid back. and if that doesn't happen, you have to offer them more money to get them to lend you money, which drives up the debt. and in

addition to that, when the time comes that people really don't want to buy the debt, then you run a printing press, and when you start doing that on, you really can you can devastate people's savings. you can. it's a terrible situation. we don't know when it's going to happen. you talk to brilliant people on wall street. you talk to people who have been in business at some day. the day of reckoning will come if congress doesn't get serious about these things. and but we don't know when it's going to happen. but at some point it will. so we all root for change. we want things to be shaken up, but it's better to do. >> it. >> from the inside out than the outside in because. >> you. >> create chaos. and if you notice on a, his numbers have sort of come down when people look at the chaos. and even. >> though. >> a lot of. >> people like. >> it. many of. >> them are beginning. >> to wonder. >> wait a minute, can we just slow down a little bit? >> well, and. >> people are starting to wonder. when their bottom. >> line is. >> going to be impacted. >> they voted. >> trump in in part. >> to help. >> save them money. >> their own pocketbooks. >> they wanted inflation to come down, but.

>> egg prices keep. going up. prices in other. >> areas keep going up. >> let's talk about democrat democratic strategy. one strategist, james carville, says that democrats should just. >> play possum. >> stay out of the way. >> let the street level. >> protests lead the response to trump. do you agree with that? >> listen, i think democrats. >> are in a peculiar position right now because the reactionary, you know, that the reactionary that we're seeing on social media is that. people want dems and congress to do something. the reality is democrats in congress are not in power. and so to the piece that james carville is saying, yes, let republicans, you know, play their game, drive all this. >> chaos. >> keep their hands out of that. but then. >> you. >> do have democrats like the governors of maryland and governors of illinois, who are actually pushing back and are challenging the administration. these state attorneys and attorney generals who are bringing up these cases that are actually challenging the trump administration. the other thing that democrats have. >> to. >> continue to do, because they

are doing this, you see this from my former boss, senator elizabeth warren. you see this from the jasmine crocketts of the world. you see them. educating people on what is happening. they're talking about all of these budget cuts that are supposed to. >> help. the american people. >> but president elon musk has, what, $20 billion in government contracts for space x. but yet they're not talking about that. they're talking about. cutting the actual fundamental programs that are actually helping the american people. and so the more that democrats can continue to elevate who is actually. >> the grifter. >> here, and that's elon musk, donald trump and his cabinet appointees. then the more that the american people will be. equipped to fight back at the ballot box in 2026. >> meantime, jeremy, how seriously should we take. >> the. >> president when he posts things like he did. >> yesterday, calling himself. >> a king? >> i mean, is he just trolling or. >> is there something more going on? >> i think you have it exactly right. this is. more trolling from donald trump. he's getting exactly the type of reaction

that he wants, which is people paying attention to this. it's a diversionary tactic. we've seen this time and time again from. >> trump. >> that when the news is less than favorable to him, there's a shiny object he dangles. and we in the media and the democratic party as well, tends to look right at it and complain about it. i don't know that getting down on trump's level to a degree, calling him names, ridiculing him as governor hochul did at that press conference, is actually going to solve the problem. let's not forget that in the case of new york, she and her administration, governor hochul, has to work with the white house. so this kind of tit for tat playing out on television, this, you know, insult trading, it may feel good and it may

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escalating. >> his. >> attacks on ukraine's president. >> zelensky. >> a dictator without elections. zelensky better move fast or he's not going to have a country left. got to move. got to move fast because that war is going in the wrong direction. in the meantime, we're successfully negotiating an end to the war with russia. something i'll admit that only trump is going to be able to do in the trump administration. we're going to be able to do it. >> context is important here. zelensky was overwhelmingly elected. >> in 2019. >> elections scheduled for last. >> year were suspended. >> because of the war. those comments from president trump came after president zelensky said trump is trapped in a disinformation bubble. all this ahead. >> of a meeting. today in kyiv between. >> president zelensky. >> and the. >> us envoy. >> to ukraine, keith kellogg. notably there expected. >> news conference. >> has been canceled. nbc news. >> chief foreign correspondent

richard engel joins us now from kharkiv, ukraine. also with us, david ignatius, foreign affairs columnist for the washington post. >> richard. >> president trump continues to call president zelensky a dictator. >> he has spoken. >> very critically. >> of ukraine in recent days, even claiming ukraine. >> started this war. >> i know you've. >> been on the front lines. >> you've been. >> talking with soldiers and citizens and other officials there. >> what's the reaction. >> you're getting? >> people here do not believe that this is a war of words. what people here perceive is that ukraine is under attack by president trump. a war of words implies that the two men don't like each other, are and are locked in some sort of trading of insults, some sort of bitter dispute. what they've been watching here is president trump come out and say that it was ukraine that launched the war. and you're showing now some some troops that i was with just just the other day. and when i asked these soldiers who've been at that position for almost three

years straight, what they thought about president trump's accusation that it was ukraine's actions, that it was ukraine's president that that started the war. president trump said they started the war because ukraine didn't preemptively give russia some territory. first. they didn't know what i was talking about. they didn't understand how president trump could possibly say something like that when they were here in kharkiv at that tank position and were fighting russian troops who had crossed over the border, and they said, what are you talking? how could he possibly mean that we started the war when it was the russians who invaded this country? and then after that, they've been watching day after day, president trump say that president zelensky is a dictator and that ukraine has been conning the west out of, of money, that president zelensky just goes to washington and comes back with billions. and earlier today, i was at an underground shelter here in kharkiv. and this is a school that is built 40ft below ground.

and the reason it is below ground is because the russians are continuing to attack this city daily. and i spoke to teachers and staff there about what they think president trump is doing and saying right now. and they said it made them very nervous. they they feel that they are being abandoned by the united states. they feel that president trump is turning his back on ukraine. and they are worried that what that means for the war and what it means for russian troops, because russian troops are not very far away from this city. if u.s. military support stopped, it is very conceivable that the russians could advance and could potentially be standing where i am standing right now. >> david, you write. in a column today in the washington post that you got an anguished message from a retired u.s. army. officer working in kyiv. >> quote, what the. >> hell is happening in america? >> from here? we look like we've lost our minds. >> we're not just losing our standing. >> with current leaders. >> but. >> we are. losing the next.

generation who are watching and. >> learning that. america cannot. >> be trusted. what message. >> is the trump. >> administration sending to allies? david. >> you got us. i think we. >> might might be. >> having a. >> tough connection there with david. >> let me go back. >> to you, richard, because. >> we. >> mentioned that there's a. >> meeting between. >> the envoy to ukraine, keith kellogg, and president zelenskyy today in kyiv. any readout yet? and do we know. why that presser. >> with these two. >> was canceled? >> so i think the fact that this press conference was canceled is very revealing about the situation that we are in right now. i spoke to a senior ukrainian official and they were looking forward to this meeting. they were very much looking forward to speaking with someone from trump's inner circle, even though they believe that retired general kellogg is not as close to president trump, is not the

same level envoy as the three envoys who were involved in the conversation with with the russian side. still, they thought this was a great opportunity. but then at the last minute, as a press conference was about to be held, a ukrainian official came out from zelensky's office and said that at the request of the american side, they would not be taking any questions and they would only get video. they could take video of the handshake. and then president zelensky's office released a short video clip. so we're not hearing much about what happened in these conversations. and nor were were journalists allowed to ask these two men what is going on. and i think that is because of the nervousness of this, this, this moment right now when the ukrainians are afraid that they could be engaged in another verbal battle with president trump, which they do not want. and it seems even the embassy here, if that ukrainian official is correct, is nervous about how this relationship is going and

not wanting to have reporters given free access to ask these two men what is going on these days? >> well, not knowing what the answer. >> is going. >> to be in a lot of ways from the trump administration. >> we keep getting. >> different messages. >> depending on who you ask. >> the question to. >> i appreciate your reporting, richard. >> thank you so much for bringing us. >> all of. >> that great color. >> and. >> richness. from what you're. >> hearing and seeing. >> on the ground there in ukraine. meantime, we have david ignatius now back with us. and david, i had a chance to read the message. you got. from the american. official who's now there. >> in kyiv, a. >> former u.s. military official. and i'm. >> just wondering your. take on. >> all of. >> this and the message. >> that the. >> trump. >> administration is currently. >> sending to allies. >> so ukrainians. >> and i think allies in general are shocked. they see this as the trail. by by president trump. of ukraine, brave and

very loyal ally, the united states. i think this is going to have repercussions across europe. around the world, because it's such a disturbing picture of american power. there is a theory that what donald trump is doing and trash talking president zelensky. >> is. >> is trying to get zelensky to agree to turn over 50% of ukraine's mineral wealth. in payment for, in effect, america's support, past and presumably future. i get that impression, not simply from the comments this morning of the national security advisor, mike waltz, who was caught on camera saying that that's what zelensky should consider. but the comments from ukrainians who are in touch today with zelensky and his and his key staffers as they try to think, should they make this deal as the price of donald trump's support? it's one that

would be very distasteful for ukrainians. but maybe this is deal making. even if a deal comes through, even if keith kellogg leaves kyiv. with some better understanding with zelensky, about about working together going forward. i think the damage that's been done is so significant. i think across europe there's just a sense this is not the america we ever imagined we would see. walking away from from an ally, blaming an ally for an. invasion by russia and then trying to, in effect, extort payment from the ally in terms of mineral resources, that's shocks people. >> david ignatius, thank you for providing that. >> perspective for us. >> and joining us now is democratic senator chris van hollen from maryland. he serves on the senate. foreign relations. appropriations and budget committees. >> senator, great to have you. let's listen. >> to what some of. >> your republican colleagues had to say about. >> president trump's.

>> comments about. >> president zelensky. >> make no mistake. >> about it, that invasion was the responsibility of one human being on the face of this planet. it was vladimir putin. >> it is. >> quite clear. who started the war. it was absolutely. >> russia at. >> putin's directive. >> i don't. >> think that. >> there should be any confusion. >> with that. is a gangster. he's a gangster with a black heart. and as. >> i've said. >> in another context, i wouldn't. trust this guy. like i trust gas stations. sushi. >> senator, this strikes me. >> as a. >> rare moment where republicans. >> aren't on the same page. >> they aren't. >> going along with. >> president trump. >> how do you see it? >> well. >> anna, i think every. >> american should. >> be absolutely. ashamed at what donald trump has done and said he literally threw the ukrainian people under the bus. he has thrown freedom loving people around the world under. the bus. i met with president

zelensky in munich just. >> this past. >> weekend, along with many of my republican colleagues, some of whose tape you just played, and we all assured him that the united states remained firm in our support for the ukrainian people, only to have the president, the united states, say. >> that it. >> was ukraine that started the war that called zelensky the dictator rather than putin. so i call upon my. >> my. >> republican colleagues not just to, you know, snap back about the remarks of donald trump, but what are they going to do? we need to take material. make material support, continuing for the people of ukraine in the face of putin's ongoing aggression. otherwise. >> our allies. >> are going to continue to be shocked. and by the way, i urge all of them to rise to this moment. i mean, when you have an american president who's abandoning our allies, it's going to be very important, at least for these years, for

europeans to step up. meanwhile, our adversaries, of course, are celebrating. >> i mean, the. >> trump administration has signaled. >> it wants. >> concessions from ukraine to. >> end the war. but what should. >> the u.s. be. >> requiring from russia? >> well, and here's the other part of the problem. everybody would like to see negotiations. no one more so than the ukrainian. >> people. >> if they can lead to a durable peace. i mean, that is the position of the ukrainian people. but what the trump administration did a number of days ago was began making unilateral concessions, right? giving up on certain kinds of security guarantees, giving up on certain territorial issues, and then coming and literally trying to extort zelensky and the ukrainians, demanding over half of their mineral reserves in exchange for the support that we've already provided. i mean, can you imagine, in the middle of world war two, fdr saying to churchill, you know, unless you give us half of your coal

reserves in your mineral reserves, we're not going to stick with you in the fight against hitler and the nazis. that's outrageous. but that's what trump has done. >> i mean. >> should ukraine have to provide something in. >> exchange for all of the aid that's been given? >> the ukrainians are. >> more than happy to figure out how we can have a long term economic relationship and where they can, over time, help repay america and our eopean aies. by the way, who, when you look. >> at. >> the total dollars, have also put in almost as much as the united states to help, you know, repay them over time. but to sit there and say, if you don't sign this document within 24 hours, you can forget all of our support. i mean, that is extortion. and i will tell you, vladimir putin is having his very best days right now, as is president xi in china watching what's happening. i this is a

moment, ana, where it's not just what the president says. this reflects what he believes. this is a president who said about american combat troops who who died in the line of duty, that they were suckers and losers. that's the mentality he's bringing to this, this whole battle in ukraine. >> senator, quickly, before i let you. >> go, senator mitch. mcconnell just announced that he won't seek reelection in 2026. >> he was the republican. leader for nearly two. >> decades in the senate chamber. >> how will his departure. >> impact the senate? >> well, i just caught a piece of his retirement speech indicating he's not running for reelection. look what you've seen from mitch mcconnell in the last few weeks was, of course, very different than mitch mcconnell when he was leader of the republican party. i mean, he's been liberated in a way. you saw him vote against rfk jr. i just wish more republicans would take the position all the

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palestinians held in israeli prisons. >> joining us. >> now live from tel aviv, nbc news correspondent hala gorani. >> hala, what can you tell us. about what unfolded today? >> and do we know how. many hostages now remain. >> in gaza at this point? >> yes. so the bodies of three members of the bibas family, as you mentioned, and audit, who's 80, who was 83 years old when he was taken captive on october 7th, 2023, whose body, by the way, was formally identified just in the last hour or so. that announcement was made. the three others are shereen and her two children. so we have ariel, who was four when he was taken, and baby carrier, who was not even nine months old. their father, yarden, by the way, was released on february 1st. hamas says that the three bibas family members were killed a while back. they didn't provide

evidence for that with regards to sort of anything definitive that they were killed in an israeli airstrike. these bodies, though we have not received any update from authorities here in israel that these bodies were formally identified. they were handed back to israeli authorities through the idf. there was a ceremony where the coffins were draped with the israeli flags, and then they were taken to that forensic facility. and as you mentioned on saturday, we expect six live hostages to be released. these are the last six live hostages of phase one. anna. >> so, so sad. >> i still can't get over just the. two little. boys who died in all of this. such innocent lives. what more do we know about phase two of the cease fire deal? we know negotiations were supposed to begin. and what obstacles remain? yeah, yeah, they were supposed to begin over a week ago, so there's already a delay there. the obstacles are

absolutely huge. now, the remaining hostages. and you asked me how many remain. i have to look down here to make sure i get the numbers right. we understand 69 hostages remain, 33 alive. we believe 36 dead. and these are all men that remain alive. men, military men. so soldiers in the idf, they're meant to be released in phase two. and importantly for the palestinians, because the number of dead is over 45,000, the whole enclave is completely devastated. phase two is meant to call for the full withdrawal of israeli forces and the release of the remaining hostages. so really, the families of the hostages and palestinians in gaza all really holding their breaths for phase two, but many obstacles remain on. hala gorani, thank you for bringing us the latest from tel aviv. back here in the us, a federal judge says we won't have to wait long for his decision on the charges against new york. >> city. >> mayor eric adams. >> will he believe. >> the doj's argument that there >> the doj's argument that there was no quid pro quo watching

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corruption charges. >> against new. >> york city mayor eric adams. yesterday in court, the judge indicated he would make a decision soon, but did not want to, quote, shoot from the hip. last week, acting u.s. deputy attorney general emil bove. he ordered federal prosecutors in new york to drop the case. that demand led to the resignations

of at least seven federal prosecutors. adams was indicted back in september on five criminal counts, including bribery, fraud. and soliciting illegal foreign campaign donations. joining us now, msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor paul butler. >> he's also a. >> professor at georgetown school of law. paul, when could we expect. >> a. >> decision, do you think, and what stood out to you during yesterday's court hearing? >> the judge said that. >> everybody should be patient. this is a case where he wants to take his time. it's really an issue of first impression. what stood out to me was when mayor adams was first indicted, he said his criminal prosecution would not interfere with his responsibilities as mayor. but yesterday, emma boldly claimed that the mayor can't do his job with an open criminal case. and that was a familiar argument because beauvais represented donald trump in some of his criminal cases, and he tried to get those cases dismissed,

saying that trump was too busy running for president to stand trial. but beauvais has a lot more authority as as acting deputy attorney general than he did as a defense attorney. the judge has very limited discretion to dismiss the case, since prosecutors bring charges in criminal cases, they almost always have the authority to dismiss those cases, even if the judge doesn't agree with the reason for the dismissal. >> speaking of reasons, we're. seeing a bit of a. >> shifting justification for wanting to drop this case. >> the justice department. >> yesterday, it was the chief of staff to attorney general pam bondi threw out the idea that maybe this case wasn't winnable. posting this on x in the adams case, fdny was rolling the dice. and given the doj's abysmal history of losing at the supreme court, the odds were against the doj. what he wrote. >> that's a different. >> message than what he said in

his order to drop the case. >> what should. >> we make of the various. explanations from the trump administration? >> so the original representation was that the trump administration didn't want the charges dropped because they think that adams is innocent. it was all about using the mayor of the nation's largest city to support president trump's political agenda. so that's patently unethical. so they seem to be shifting to this different story now that they're not sure that they can win the case. but at the hearing, the judge focused on whether adams understands that even if the case is dismissed, prosecutors can file the. charges again. it's a dismissal without prejudice. doj wants to scare adams into submission, so they're using the possibili of re charging adams as a stick to force him to do whatever donald trump wants him to do. and adams has already demonstrated that he

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you have right now as we're seeing non vaccinations happening and this new outbreak pop up and spread. >> yeah my worry is that our vaccine ecosystem is quite fragile. so you know even prior to this year between 23 2023 2024, we had a four fold rise in measles outbreaks from 4 to 16. a five fold rise in pertussis cases, whooping cough from 2023 to 2024. we've had polio in the wastewater in new york state in 2022. so it says things are starting to fray and potentially unravel. and now this very, very large measles epidemic. remember, we're still in the early stages of this. the reason i say that is because it takes about two weeks, about 12 to 13 days from the time you're first exposed to measles before you become infected. so it's likely this is just the first round

we're going to see probably a pretty big amplification. i'm already hearing that the numbers are going to substantially increase the reported numbers by the end of this week. we're not diagnosing a lot of the cases. so the numbers, you know, potentially could be in the couple of hundreds or more. so i hope that doesn't happen. but i you know, i wouldn't i wouldn't stick by those numbers of 58. i think they're going to substantially increase. and the fact that roughly on average during a measles epidemic, 20% wind up hospitalized hospitalizations, pediatric hospitalizations will also begin to climb. >> i mean, measles is not something most of us have had to deal with in our lifetime just because of the vaccine it's been around. but what do viewers at home need to know about the risks involved? if you get measles, as well as what we need to know about the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine? >> yeah, you asked two very important questions. first of all, with regards to severity of measles. it's a terrible

disease, you know, in the 1970s and 80s, measles was the single greatest killer of children globally. 2 to 3 million children died every year through vaccination programs, global vaccination programs and the gavi alliance, the global alliance for vaccines and immunization. we brought it down to 100,000 deaths. still a lot of deaths, but that's fragile because this is such a highly transmissible disease. so if your child is exposed to measles, there's a 20% likelihood your child will become hospitalized. one of the major reasons for hospitalization is measles pneumonia, which often requires an intensive care unit admission, sometimes even intubation. there's measles encephalitis. there's hearing loss associated with both encephalitis and measles er, infection. often permanent neurological damage and damage to your immune system. so this is not something you want to trifle with. and the vaccine is one of our the mmr vaccine. measles. mumps. rubella vaccine.

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