tv Ana Cabrera Reports MSNBC February 21, 2025 7:00am-8:00am PST
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>> cabrera reports. >> the doge backlash begins. >> we. >> that's all we ask for you to stand up. >> republican lawmakers. >> return home. >> to angry. >> crowds forced. >> to face. >> the music about elon musk. >> slash and burn cuts. >> this as doge begins hacking away at the irs. with thousands expected to lose their jobs. the impact that. >> could have in. >> the heat of tax season. >> also ahead. >> the opening bell just ringing on wall street. will we see another day of volatility with markets in the red? plus the suspected ceo killer luigi mangione back in court today. and we're already getting a preview of the defense he could use at trial. >> happy friday. >> thanks for joining us. it's ten eastern, 7. >> a.m. pacific. >> i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. tax cuts are
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taking on a whole new meaning. >> this morning. >> irs offices in several cities reporting layoffs and thousands more could be on the way. these cuts coming at the height of tax season. some republican lawmakers now. >> getting an. >> earful in their home districts. from oregon to georgia, confronted by constituents angry about the sweeping d.o.j. cuts. >> who is paying for d.o.j? >> we are looking into that. >> now to. >> find out. >> i don't know the answer. >> they've been. indiscriminate and. >> they've taken. >> a chainsaw. >> to these things. >> yesterday at cpac, a much different reception for the man, literally and figuratively wielding that chainsaw. >> this is. >> the chainsaw for bureaucracy. first saw. >> joining us now nbc. >> news. >> senior white house. correspondent gabe gutierrez. our melanie zanona from capitol hill, new york times chief white
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house correspondent peter baker, and former republican congressman of pennsylvania charlie dent. gabe, let's start with these irs cuts. how many jobs are we talking and what's the impact? it's tax season. people need those tax return checks. >> hi there. good morning. well the numbers have been a bit all over the place. hard to pin down exactly how many. but the president's top economic advisers say that the number of job cuts at the irs will exceed 3500. and some of those workers that are already being laid off say that this could impact your tax season and how quickly you get that tax refund, because some of this work could get backed up. now, as you mentioned, ana, the president and his administration now getting some backlash in several of these town halls that we're seeing across the country. but just this morning, press secretary caroline leavitt, speaking with my colleague peter alexander, pushed back on this criticism, saying that the vast majority of americans, in their view, support what the president is doing and that he is
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delivering on something that he campaigned on. >> ana and we're working to get that sound to turn for our viewers. melanie, let's talk about the backlash. >> some of. >> these republican lawmakers are now facing at home over. >> the doj's actions. >> what more can you tell us about it? >> yeah, republicans. >> are really starting to feel the heat over some of these doj's cuts and these doj's actions. you know, it was one thing when it was u.s. aid or foreign aid that was on the chopping block. but as these cuts have started to hit close to home, republicans are starting to really feel the heat. and there were a number of town halls this week where republicans in the house were home for recess, were confronted by angry constituents at town halls, and one of them was particularly notable richard mccormick. he's a georgia republican. he represents a district, that one that trump won by 22 percentage points. and he was booed. he was catcalled, and he was grilled by his constituents about what he was going to do to stand up to the trump administration. and at times, he got combative with his constituents. take a listen. >> the funny thing is, we're. >> sitting here in.
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>> your body. you would. >> probably say those january. >> sixes who were. >> yelling just. >> as loud. >> as. >> you can. >> for the. >> same amount. >> you know. >> i've seen. >> game of thrones, too. >> thank you. >> let's go ahead and move on. >> because. >> and so this has some echoes of the 2010 tea party movement, a fiscal conservative movement that originated in town halls, just like the one you saw there. except in that instance, the roles were reversed for republicans and democrats. but i just think republicans in this moment are really struggling with how do they protect their constituents without being seen as disloyal to donald trump? so, peter, publicly, it seems these republican lawmakers. >> are toeing the. >> trump line. but even if. >> some are. >> privately expressing concerns with the white house, does it matter? do they have any leverage to make trump change his approach? >> no, i mean, not in the short term, obviously, if politically
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this becomes toxic, obviously that may force a recalibration. but for the moment, no, trump is more than happy to have this sort of image of chaos. the image you showed of elon musk with the chainsaw. it's about entertainment, right? i mean, you know, if you're having a serious, informed conversation about how to shrink the scale and size of government, appearing on stage with a with a giant chainsaw is not the, you know, not the way to do it. that's all about entertainment. and they like this image because it satisfies trump's desire to attack the deep state. that's what he said he would do during the campaign. and so his argument is he's doing exactly what he told voters he would do and voters wanted him to do. now, a lot of his own voters, i think, may have misunderstood exactly how he would go about doing it, because a lot of things they're going to end up being cut are things that affect their lives. and i think that you see all that, you know, right now at the grand canyon, you know, you see that with the irs cuts. i mean, this could have impact on people's daily lives. people forget at times how much the government really does for them. and there are
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things that they don't want government to do, but there are a lot of things that they do want government to do. >> i can. >> only imagine. >> how the thousands of. >> people who've. >> lost their jobs feel. >> seeing that image. >> of elon. >> musk with the. >> chainsaw proudly. >> holding it up and wielding it around. >> as if this is such entertainment. >> congressman. >> as melanie mentioned that georgia town hall was in a district. trump won by 22 points. >> you're hearing that anger in those communities. >> if you're a gop lawmaker right now. getting an earful from your constituents, what do you do? >> well, i would tell. them to look back at the tape from 2017 during the. >> health care town halls, when many. >> republicans were being hammered. >> at the time of the obamacare. >> repeal replace movement. >> and that's what. >> it feels like now that republicans. >> realize that they. >> are in a very defensive. >> position. >> that what. >> musk and trump are. >> doing through doge. >> is having real consequences.
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>> across the country. >> and many of these. >> republicans now. >> are forced. >> into a position. do they side with. >> donald trump or. >> do they side with the. >> constituents in their. >> districts. >> you know. >> who have. >> been who. >> have. >> lost their jobs? and so. >> this is a. >> really tough moment, but this feels so much. >> like. >> 2017, i can't. >> begin to tell you. >> and even. >> a republican. >> in. >> the district like you described. >> where he. >> won by 22 or 24 points. >> some of these. >> districts are going to be. competitive in 2020, in the 2026 midterm. so some of these folks. >> who think they're safe. >> right. >> now and in very, very. >> safe trump. districts are. >> going to find out they're not. >> that safe. >> and that's what we. >> saw in the 2018 midterm. if i were. >> republican. i'd buckle. >> up and get ready. >> greg bluestein. >> is the person who took some of. >> that video. >> he's a reporter at the atlanta journal constitution. >> and he reports that mccormick staff seemed caught off. >> guard by the massive crowd. >> of. >> hundreds that had. gathered for. >> this event. >> congressman dent, do you get the sense that republicans in washington are sort of living. in a bubble right now regarding doge, and that this backlash
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really is catching them off guard? >> well, i think the smart ones. understand it. when you. >> see republicans in idaho. >> push back. >> on on. >> cuts to the national. >> park service, where. >> tourism is. >> a. >> big. >> industry at the national parks. >> there in. >> alabama, where. >> they're. worried about cuts. >> to. the nih through this indirect. >> cost recovery. >> cap that's going on. obviously, you just saw. >> it in georgia. >> with layoffs at the cdc. >> so i think. >> smart republicans. >> realize that they are in a very delicate position, that elon musk's behavior yesterday at cpac. >> by the way. >> cpac has always. >> been a freak show. >> in my view. >> it's been where the. >> fringe goes to meet. and now. >> some of the. >> fringe are mainstream. but that was a terrible image. >> they're going. >> to have to. >> defend that. >> and that. town hall. >> you saw yesterday is likely. >> to be replicated. >> all across the country. >> and i. >> suspect many. >> members will not be holding town halls just because of that experience. >> i mean. >> the split screen we're seeing in these. >> two. >> images. >> from the town hall to. c-pac is. >> really something. >> gabe. it appears. >> a lot of the anger, at least at this point.
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>> is directed at elon musk. i wonder, does. >> that buffer president trump from blowback? is the white. house feeling the pressure at all? >> no. ana, the white house is not feeling any pressure, at least publicly. that's what they're saying. again, caroline leavitt this morning doubling down and saying that this is what donald trump's voters wanted him to do. and yesterday at the white house press briefing, there were several top officials from the administration defending elon musk and repeating that it is president trump that is in charge of all this. and they do not seem dissuaded at all by this blowback that we're seeing at some of those town halls. you saw elon musk yesterday at cpac with that chainsaw, and that is an image that this administration wants. they want to keep hitting that point that they are trying to cut waste, fraud and abuse as they see it. of course, they have yet to provide any evidence of widespread fraud, but they're taking the posture that anyone that is criticizing this, including members of the press,
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they say, must somehow be opposed to cutting waste in the government. still, there are certainly, as you've been reporting, human lives at risk here, jobs at risk here. and it should be interesting to see over the coming days whether the white house feels any of that. at this point, though, they still seem to be saying full steam ahead on. >> thousands of federal workers are seeing their jobs disappear. senate republicans just pulled. >> an all nighter. >> they passed a bill. >> that would. >> add billions to the budget. tell us about that. >> vote a rama. >> yeah, that was an all night exercise because senators are allowed to offer an unlimited amount of amendments. so democrats use this as a messaging opportunity so that they could try to force some tough votes for republicans to try to divide the gop. and they did have some success. there was one notable amendment that would bar taxpayer tax breaks and tax cuts for the wealthy. if any money is cut for medicaid. and there were two republicans, susan collins and josh hawley, who both voted for that amendment. but it was a largely messaging effort. it was largely symbolic. the real test is going
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to come in the weeks and months ahead, because the house and senate first need to agree on a budget, and the house is pushing ahead with a very different version next week. and then once they agree, they're going to have to actually get to writing the policy. and that's where it's going to get very complicated. they're looking for steep spending cuts. they're trying to implement donald trump's complicated large tax agenda, all these different priorities. and so that's going to be something that they're going to really have to deal with in these coming weeks here. >> senator rand. >> paul was. >> the only republican to vote against that. budget resolution overnight. here's his reasoning. >> if we. >> were fiscally. >> conservative, why. >> wouldn't we. >> take the savings from. >> elon musk. >> and doge. >> and move. >> it over here and help with the border? >> why would. >> we be. >> doing a brand new bill. >> to. >> increase spending by. >> $340 billion? >> peter. >> your read on that. >> well, look, the truth is there is a serious fiscal issue in this country. the annual deficit is approaching $2
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trillion. no question that that's something that neither party has confronted in a serious way for a number of years. but the doge effort is not about actually addressing that because it's really at the margins. you you fire a few thousand people here or there. that's not where the real fiscal imbalance is. the real problem with the federal government right now are issues like social security, the defense department, medicare, medicaid, all of which donald trump is more or less said he's not going to touch. well, if you don't touch those, it's going to be really hard to get meaningful savings. that would actually put the budget anywhere close to balance, especially then you add to the deficit with massive tax cuts. so the real serious effort is not what what elon musk is doing. that's about messaging, as we just talked about. that's actually about appearances in some ways, but with actual consequences. it won't actually solve the budget issue, but it does have real consequences for real people and real programs. >> in fact, i think there was more military spending an. additional amount of money going
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to. >> the pentagon in that. >> budget that the senate. >> was voting on last night. >> gabe gutierrez. >> melanie zanona. >> peter baker and. >> former congressman. >> charlie dent. thank you all. coming up, is the us relationship with ukraine calming after a rocky week? what we know about zelensky's sit down with trump's envoy. plus luigi. mangione back in court today. the latest moves from his defense team, including a website with his personal message to supporters. and later restaurants and bakeries now struggling to beat back soaring egg prices. what it means for the price you pay at the mr. clean the pricmagic eraser...e register. we're back in 90s. wow - where has this been my entire life? having to clean with multiple products is a hassle. with magic eraser... i use it on everyday messes. i even use it on things that i think are impossible to clean. you need mr. clean magic eraser in your life. with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater
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>> well, i think what has changed is president trump went on the attack and started calling president zelensky a dictator, said he had no approval rating, accused him of being a con artist and made numerous threats, a threat that included that ukraine might not have a country anymore, that russia might end up taking more, more and more territory. and ukraine certainly heard those threats. and president zelensky got the message. this country is in a very weak position right now because it is dependent on american military support. russian troops are still here. they are attacking every single day. and if you look at the sequence of events, i think it's quite clear what happened. about a week ago, president trump, through his treasury secretary, presented president zelensky with an agreement in which, according to ukrainian officials, the ukrainian side had to put its name on this document sign on the dotted line right away, a document that was
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non-negotiable. according to numerous u.s. officials, the ukrainians were given one hour to sign this minerals agreement, in which ukraine would have to give up 50% of its rare earth mineral rights to the united states in exchange for what ukraine felt at the time were relatively vague security assurances, not a clear outline of how the relationship would go forward. president zelensky refused to sign, he was told at the time. we understand that president trump would be angry. and then, lo and behold, a short time later, president trump started criticizing him, insulting him, calling him a failed leader, calling him a leader who's been fleecing the united states. president trump also has been meeting with the russians, so the message was quite clear to the ukrainian government that unless zelensky showed more flexibility and signed this mineral deal, that the united states could cut off its support. and then ana, last night, we did start to see some
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change in president zelensky's evening address, and he addresses the people every single day. he said that security agreements and economic agreements must go hand in hand. he expressed some sort of flexibility to signing this, this mineral deal. and then president trump's envoy, a representative of president trump, keith kellogg, just put out on on x a short while ago that he had an extensive and positive discussions with president zelensky, who he called the embattled and courageous leader of ukraine. >> richard engle. thank you. >> yeah, yeah. >> no doubt. thanks so much. >> for laying it. >> all out for us because it's been a lot to follow, that's for sure. appreciate your reporting there in ukraine. joining us now is former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul. ambassador richard just talked about how this went down. president trump making threats after he didn't get the deal he initially wanted. now zelensky is more open to making a deal. so if you're the trump team, you're looking at it and saying, hey, the threats work. >> that's incorrect. i met with.
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senior ukrainian officials in munich before all this trolling on twitter. they were already prepared to sign this agreement. it got exacerbated the tensions because president trump got on on social media, criticized president zelensky for being a dictator and having a 4% approval rating. and just to underscore, he is a democratically elected leader of ukraine and has a approval rating higher than president trump. and then president zelensky felt compelled to reply to that in this, you know, social media trolling escapade. and that got everything off the rails. general kellogg and president zelensky today are back on. the ukrainians have understood for a long time that they need to sign this deal in order to give trump cover, to negotiate in a more systematic way. and they've been ready to do that as far as i've been told
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from for a very long time, the devil is in the details. signing a two page document saying you're going to cooperate on sharing the profits of minerals. that's easy. what is hard is the security guarantee part of it. and of course, that is what president zelensky emphasized. so trump needs to stop tweeting. >> and being. >> and zelensky needs to stop responding. don't feed the trolls right. and they need to let the diplomats do the very hard work of negotiating an end to this tragic, barbaric war. >> one of the most striking. >> messages this week was when president trump said publicly, ukraine started the. >> war, and. >> his national security advisor, mike waltz, who has in the. past been very, very. firm when he was a. >> congressman. >> that it was, you know. >> russia, that that was. >> at. >> fault here. he was asked directly at the press conference yesterday whether he agrees with the president, and he wouldn't really give a straight answer. watch this. >> you wrote in an op ed in the fall of 2023 that, quote, putin
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is to blame, certainly like al qaeda was to blame for nine over 11. do you still feel that way now, or do you share the president's assessment, as he says, ukraine is to blame for the start of this war? >> well, it shouldn't surprise you that i share the president's assessment on all kinds of issues. the war has to end. and what comes with that? what comes with that should be at some point, elections. what comes with that should be peace. >> who does he think is more responsible. >> for the russian invasion. of ukraine? putin or zelensky? >> well, look, his his goal, peter, is to bring this war to an end period. and there has been ongoing fighting on both sides. it is world war one style trench warfare ambassador. >> he was asked questions that could have been easy. >> one word answers. >> what does his response tell you? >> well, it tells me personally that i'm glad i worked for a president when i worked for president obama at the white house, where i didn't have to
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avoid telling the truth. he knows the truth. he's a sophisticated guy. he knows that putin invaded ukraine, by the way, on february 24th. it's coming up on monday, the third anniversary of that two plus two equals four, and putin invade ukraine. you don't get to have opinion about facts. and it's just tragic to me that we're having arguments over, you know, things that are factual. at the same time, i hope and i wish national security adviser walt's well, because we need him there. we need him to try to help steer this towards america's national interests. and he's in a very difficult situation where he works for a president who doesn't, doesn't actually care about basic facts. and it's not just on this issue, as you know, it's on many issues. so i wish him well, but i hope he will keep his integrity because nobody is going to praise him if all he does is enable president trump to undermine fundamentally
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>> a procedural. >> hearing. but this is. >> the last i mean, the last time, as you mentioned, that we. saw luigi mangione. >> in public was for his arraignment. >> that was just a. >> few. >> days after he was extradited from. >> pennsylvania to new york. and as. >> you say, he faces. >> both federal and state murder charges. this hearing today is on the state. >> case. >> and it includes one count of terrorism. >> this morning. >> luigi mangione expected. >> back in new york state court. the hearing is set to. >> be. >> procedural and. >> likely brief. >> this whole situation. >> here, it doesn't make sense. >> the proceeding. >> happening just days. >> after the release. >> of the latest. >> documentary on the brazen. >> murder of. >> united health. >> care ceo brian thompson. >> he could have done a lot of good in this world, and he was taken way too soon. >> not going to. >> the ivy. >> league grad pleaded not guilty to gunning. >> down thompson. >> a father. >> of two in. >> new york city. for his. >> company's annual. >> investor meeting. the murder. >> triggered a manhunt for. >> a killer who. >> at first appeared elusive. >> five days. >> after the. >> shooting.
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>> police arrested. >> mangione at a pennsylvania. mcdonald's eating. >> breakfast by himself. >> according to prosecutors. >> he was found with. >> a ghost. >> gun that. >> matched bullet. >> casings from the. crime scene, together with writings denouncing the health. >> insurance industry. >> i was. >> targeted, premeditated. >> and meant. >> to sow terror. >> the crime prompted an outpouring of long simmering anger towards health insurance. >> companies and. >> in some cases, support for mangione. >> himself. >> including donations to a defense. >> fund which to. date has. >> raised more. >> than half. >> $1 million. in a statement posted on a website set up by his defense. >> team. >> mangione thanked his supporters, writing, i am overwhelmed by and grateful for everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support. the 26 year old, who comes from a wealthy and respected family in baltimore, is now being held in the metropolitan correctional center, a notorious federal prison in brooklyn. in the past, for its conditions, it's where sean diddy combs also awaits trial. the legal process will likely take years. mangione
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faces federal and state murder charges in new york, as well as gun charges in pennsylvania. the scheduled appearances in courtrooms are only just beginning. >> according to a person with. direct knowledge, the judge is likely to talk to both sides. about sharing information and check up on the prosecution's progress with turning over evidence in the case. >> anna. >> stephanie. gosk thank you. >> so christie mangione's. >> team is. >> making several arguments here. >> they say mangione. >> can't get a fair. trial due to how high profile. >> and the. >> publicity that's come with this case, specifically citing new york city mayor eric adams taking part in mangione's extradition to manhattan last december. but now they've set up this website, they're posting public comments from mangione. so are they trying to have it both ways here? >> well. >> i think that. >> looking at the. >> website. >> the statement from. >> mangione is. >> really just thanking. >> people who. >> have contributed.
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>> and support him. it's. >> you know. >> it's not really necessarily courting attention so much. >> as. >> i think. >> responding to the. >> unprecedented attention he's received. >> everything else. >> about the website, you know, updates on his. >> cases, statements from court. >> transcripts that are public, you know, questions about. how to. >> answering questions about how to contribute, how to. >> send him mail. >> i mean, those things. >> i. >> think are. fairly innocuous and. >> i don't. >> think are going to be anything that would prevent mangione from making the motion that his defense indicated at the last conference. they want to make, which is that his right to a fair trial has been. >> violated by these. >> political publicity stunts. >> that mayor adams. >> has engaged in. the perp walk. >> in particular having mangione in. >> an orange jumpsuit, handcuffed. surrounded by officers. with assault. >> rifles. >> and. >> then the. mayor following that up. >> by saying, i wanted to look him in the eye. >> because. >> he committed a. terrorist act
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in my city. >> i think. >> the defense has a good. >> argument that that. >> that perp walk was unconstitutional. there wasn't. >> a legitimate. >> law enforcement objective to that perp walk. will that, though, result in the court. >> actually agreeing. >> that his rights are violated and somehow dismissing the case or moving the case? >> i don't. >> think so. but was it improper? yes, it was. >> and i don't. >> think the website necessarily. >> changes that fact. >> i guess just. >> as a layman. >> onlooking. >> i would think it. has the potential to. >> maybe taint. >> the jury pool. but you have the expertise to know what that would entail in order to kind of. >> achieve that high level. >> in terms of the standards in the court system. we do know. mangione has raised more than a half. >> $1 million. >> for his legal defense fund. the largest single donation so far came in anonymously at $11,000. what do you make of the public effectively funding this defense? well.
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>> i. >> think to. >> your point, anna. >> the. >> real concern. >> here for. >> if you're. >> the prosecutors and the real only hope, i think you have given the strength of the evidence that's already public. the only hope you have for the defense is jury nullification, meaning you want to find jurors who are going to vote not guilty because they want to send a message that they are frustrated with the health insurance industry. and i mean, we've seen, i think, given the contributions to his fund and that, you know, very large amount of contributions, what we're seeing in terms of signs, you know, there's street art, there's protests. and given just it sounds like from the website he set up, the voluminous amount of mail he's received in jail, there is certainly a concern that his folk status, you know, folk hero status, could affect his ability to get an impartial jury in ways that favor
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mangione. >> kristy greenberg, thank you, my friend. it's good to have you with us. staying in new york, we have new developments. >> in the. >> controversy surrounding the corruption case of mayor. >> eric adams. >> new york's governor, kathy hochul, says she will not immediately seek to remove adams from office, despite allegations of a quid pro quo with the trump administration and growing calls for his resignation. >> after careful consideration, i have determined that i will not commence removal proceedings at this time. my strong belief is that the will of the voters and the supremacy and sanctity of democratic elections preclude me from any other action. >> the governor did say that she'll seek to increase the state's supervision on the mayor's administration, including establishing a new state deputy inspector general with oversight authority. >> next on ana. >> cabrera reports, we're keeping a close eye on wall street after yesterday's big sell off. the warning from one
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little bit of uncertainty into what. >> has. >> been close to record highs for stocks. so that's why you're seeing some disappointment this morning. so wall street. >> is nosediving. >> so to speak. while other areas we're seeing prices skyrocket with eggs. and now you're reporting that it's affecting a lot of small businesses. yeah. so the big. issue has been such. >> an intractable. >> problem for so many months now. and you're seeing it you know, the. >> the avian flu problem is not continuing. >> it's worsening. that's the verb to use not. continues but worsen. we've been talking. >> to so many small business. >> owners who especially bakeries, where eggs are such a big part. >> of their business, and they either have. >> to eat these costs or pass them along. >> to consumers. >> listen. >> empty shelves record high prices. >> and at. >> this bakery. >> in pittsburgh, a scramble to afford a. critical ingredient. >> we use. >> eggs in almost everything we. >> make here. >> darren mcmillan runs grandview bakery and uses buckets of eggs every day, 90. >> pounds a week. >> in january of 2024.
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>> the price. >> was $38. >> this week. >> the price. >> is $169 for the same amount. >> of eggs. >> a cost. >> he says he can't. >> pass on to. his customers, at. >> least for now. >> bird flu. >> has wiped out more than 49. >> million birds across the country. >> in the past five months, sending egg prices of the grocery store. from an average $2.52 a dozen last year to $4.95 now. and the agriculture department. forecast prices could rise another. 20% this. >> year because the. >> problem only getting worse. >> we are. >> in the fight of our lives. >> emily metz is. >> the president of the. >> american egg board. our supply is so tight right now. normally, we have over one bird. >> for every american. >> that's more than 330. >> million birds. >> our flock. size has dropped to below. >> 280 million birds. >> that is a significant drop. >> the virus. >> is infecting hens that lay eggs. >> and the. >> young chicks that are the next generation. we have to be
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honest with. >> with the. >> american public that there. >> is no quick fix. >> we're going to be in this for. >> a while. >> in the meantime, the top. food safety official at. fda resigned. this week. usda fired accidentally. >> it says. >> several employees working on. >> the outbreak. >> now working. >> to hire them back. >> but for darren at the bakery, he's just trying to figure. >> out. how to absorb sky high egg prices. when something. >> goes up this drastically. >> this quickly. >> there's not a whole. >> lot we can do except eat the cost. >> just remarkable. >> how dramatically those wholesale. >> prices for those. buckets of. >> eggs have. >> gone up. and if. >> you think about everything he's making cookies. >> lemon bars, cakes, candies, all of these things cost more money at this point. >> he and others. >> are trying. >> to absorb as much of the cost as they can. why? >> because consumers are absolutely. >> fatigued by higher prices. >> so the worry is how much of these higher. prices can you pass along to. >> consumers who are really sick and tired of inflation? overall? that's the. big question. yeah, no doubt about it. those sweet treats sure look yummy. thank you very much. good to see you.
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confirmed israel's two youngest hostages, kfir and ariel bibas, were among the four bodies returned yesterday. >> but. >> their mother, sherry bibas, was not. hamas says the body, in what was supposed to be sharif's coffin, could belong to a palestinian woman killed alongside the. >> family in gaza. >> nbc's hala. gorani joins us now from tel aviv. hala, this has to be extra devastating for the family and all israelis. how is the government responding? >> well, as you mentioned, their calls for revenge, calls for increased military action and intervention after as well. we should mention the discovery of these explosive devices in busses in a suburb of tel aviv. so still very much a prime minister as he has been really for many months now, kind of presenting himself as being on the warpath. one of the other things that we learned from
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israeli authorities today is how the two children, kfir and ariel kfir, was almost nine months when he was abducted alongside his brother and his mother, sherry. how they died according to daniel hagari, the idf spokesperson, they were not shot and they did not die according to the results of the forensic examination here in israel, as a result of israeli bombings, as hamas had claimed. according to the israeli authorities, the children were murdered with, quote, bare hands. this is, according to daniel hagari. now hamas has disputed this all along, saying that one of the reasons that perhaps there was an error in sending the wrong body back to israel, not that of shiri, but of another woman, is that, in fact, the israeli military had bombed that location, and that therefore there was some overlap with other remains. so you have two different narratives here, but
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clearly across israel there is anger and also a lot of grief. i mean, we saw that. we're seeing it on tv stations and networks and coverage here in israel at the death of these young children, as the country waits for another batch of live hostages, this time to be released tomorrow. and by the way, what you're seeing on the air now are images that are crew. filmed on thursday, when the bodies of the family and oded, the 84 year old, were returned to their loved ones. minus, of course, as we now kno, that of sharif ana. >> so many. >> heavy hearts. >> hala gorani, thank you. >> for your reporting. back here. >> at. >> home. >> we have new exclusive. >> reporting this. >> morning on the trump. administration's use. >> of guantanamo bay. >> for detained migrants. >> right now, no migrants. >> are there. 178 venezuelan. >> immigrants were at. >> that facility. but nbc news. >> learned from three sources. >> familiar with the operation. >> and flight data that they were all flown out yesterday.
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when you. >> sign. >> up as a new vip only at fabletics. com. >> speaking out from the slammer. we are now hearing from notorious brothers eric and lyle menendez sharing their experiences behind bars. >> in a. >> new interview with a. >> tmz podcast. >> nbc's liz creutz has more now from los angeles. liz. >> well hey there. yeah, eric and menendez joined tmz, two angry men. podcast co-hosted by their own attorney. they are. >> getting their story. >> out ahead. >> of that sentencing. >> hearing, which was. >> postponed from. >> january because of the l.a. fires. so in the interview.
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>> the. >> brothers opened up about the challenges. that they faced. >> and how they. >> believe. they become new men. >> during their decades behind bars. >> ahead of their critical sentencing. hearing next month, lyle. >> and erik. >> menendez are. >> speaking out in a rare. >> interview from prison. you have a. >> prepaid call from. >> lyle menendez. >> the brothers. >> who are currently serving life sentences without parole for the 1989 murders of their parents, jose and kitty, in their beverly hills. >> mansion. >> joined the two angry men. >> podcast. >> hosted by. >> tmz's harvey levin. >> and the. >> brothers own. >> attorney. >> mark geragos. >> the interview, highlighting their side of the. >> story. >> with eric describing. >> the hardships. >> he experienced when he entered prison 35 years ago. >> i was picked on, bullied violently. and it was traumatic. >> and. >> it. >> was. >> continual. >> and i had no one to really to turn to for help. and i. >> was separated from lyle. >> and i. >> remember the day. that i was told lyle just got. >> assaulted and got. >> his jaw broken. >> after 21 years apart. >> the brothers were moved.
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>> to the same. san diego prison in. >> 2018, where. >> they say they helped create a prison, green. space and rehabilitation programs for fellow inmates. >> i grew up in an affluent home. >> i was a spoiled. >> brat. but who i've evolved. >> into. >> who i've seen lyle evolve into. i'm i'm i'm beginning to like myself and be proud of myself and find. >> it okay. >> to like myself. >> despite prosecutors. >> arguing the brothers. acted out of. >> greed. >> eric and lyle. >> say they. >> murdered their parents. >> as an act of self-defense after years of abuse. >> at. >> the hands of their. >> father. >> something that's been documented in multiple recent series, thrusting their story. >> back into the public zeitgeist. >> i wish i could take it back. >> including in ryan murphy's. >> monsters. >> which the. >> brothers say they've seen. parts of. it really did actually move a lot of people to understand the childhood trauma that that eric and i suffered. >> decades after. >> their murder trial. eric and lyle say. >> it's. >> also given. >> them renewed hope. for freedom. >> with their. >> hearing now. >> just weeks away.
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>> with our. >> family, and we're hopeful and we're just trying not to go a little crazy in the interim. >> now, it. >> is possible. >> that eric and. >> lyle could appear. >> in person. >> at that. >> resentencing hearing. >> next month, or at the least joined virtually from. prison before that. though, the. >> current district. >> attorney needs to make his own. >> recommendation on whether he believes the brothers should. >> be. >> resentenced and released. the previous. >> da supported. >> their release. >> but it's. >> unclear where this da stands. >> he did recently. >> tell nbc news that he is treating each of the brothers cases and. >> each of the murders separately. >> ultimately. >> though, it's. >> up to the judge presiding. >> over that hearing to make the final decision about their fate. >> back to you. >> liz crites. >> thanks. that does it for us today. i'll see you back here on monday. same time, same place. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. have a great weekend. jose diaz balart picks up our coverage right now. >> good morning. 11 a.m. eastern. >> at am pacific.
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