>> family, and we're hopeful and we're just trying not to go a little crazy in the interim. >> now, it. >> is possible. >> that eric and. >> lyle could appear. >> in person. >> at that. >> resentencing hearing. >> next month, or at the least joined virtually from. prison before that. though, the. >> current district. >> attorney needs to make his own. >> recommendation on whether he believes the brothers should. >> be. >> resentenced and released. the previous. >> da supported. >> their release. >> but it's. >> unclear where this da stands. >> he did recently. >> tell nbc news that he is treating each of the brothers cases and. >> each of the murders separately. >> ultimately. >> though, it's. >> up to the judge presiding. >> over that hearing to make the final decision about their fate. >> back to you. >> liz crites. >> thanks. that does it for us today. i'll see you back here on monday. same time, same place. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. have a great weekend. jose diaz balart picks up our coverage right now. >> good morning. 11 a.m. eastern. >> at am pacific. >> i'm jose diaz balart. we

begin this hour with the growing political fallout. >> over president trump's. >> sweeping changes to the federal government, sources tell nbc news. the department of housing and urban development could lose at. least 4000 employees, or nearly half its 9000 person workforce. it comes as the white house reportedly weighs a takeover of the. united states postal service, which would include firing its governing board. meanwhile, at this week's. >> cpac. >> a gathering for top republicans, elon musk offered this visual metaphor for recent slashes to the federal bureaucracy a chainsaw that was gifted to him by argentinean president, who popularized the tool during his campaign. but some gop lawmakers are facing some questions from constituents over these ongoing cuts. >> i understand. >> trying to do more with less. >> that's reasonable. >> what's not reasonable. >> is taking this chainsaw approach. why is this. being jammed down the pipe so rushed

and sloppily? >> the people would like to. >> know who. >> you and. >> your fellow congressman. >> are going to. >> do to rein in the megalomaniac in the white. >> house, who? >> these are the. kinds of. >> things that will be impacted. usda medicaid. >> or service, bureau. >> of. >> reclamation. college and university. >> grants. >> veteran ministration. >> and other federal. agencies each of. now when i say. affected it may be for the best. >> as hard as it is, as hard as it may be. >> joining us. >> now. >> nbc's peter alexander at the white house and julie sirkin at cpac. also with us, jacqueline alemany, white house reporter for the washington post, and brendan buck, former press secretary to speaker boehner and ryan. peter, just this morning, we heard from the white house press secretary about cutting. what they're calling waste, abuse and more. >> what are we learning? that's exactly right. actually, i had an opportunity to speak to press secretary. >> caroline leavitt here outside the white house within the last

couple of hours, and i asked her about. >> those comments. we've now heard from constituents pressing their republican representatives. about what they, in the words of. >> one man. >> described as. >> sloppy. >> cuts a. >> chainsaw approach. >> he said. leavitt said that the media. >> is amplifying. >> a small number of. >> critics here. >> and says that the president is just doing. delivering on the promises that he made. i followed up by asking her about the repeated. >> claims of there finding. >> fraud. >> waste and abuse. >> and here's part. >> of that exchange. >> let me ask you about. >> the fraud. if i can, we can all have our own opinion. >> about what is wasteful spending. and republicans have praised the president for cutting wasteful spending. but fraud, of course, is a crime. so have you turned over evidence of fraud to the justice department? and when should we expect to see those indictments? >> it's a clever question. >> first of all, i. >> think all americans would agree that funding mastectomies in mozambique is not something

that the american people should be funding. >> is that. >> for die programs? i think it's fraudulent that the american government has been ripping off taxpayers. >> in this way. >> and we also do know there has been extensive fraud, particularly if you look at social security. in fact, according to an ig report from the social security administration, there was $71 billion worth of fraud in one single fiscal year that we know about. and so that is a lot of fraud, peter, that this the government has admitted to. so this administration is committed to finding even more of that fraud, waste and abuse. >> to be clear that to. >> be clear that $71 billion was. >> from. >> 2015 to 2022. >> so it. >> wasn't in. >> just one year and it was in. >> $71 billion. >> but it was. >> but it wasn't. >> in. one year. >> just to be. >> clear in one report. >> and it was it was. >> in. >> one report over multiple years from. >> 2015 to 2022. >> and so. >> are. >> you. >> defending $71. >> billion. >> in fraud? >> that's a lot. >> of money. >> i'm just. >> making too much. >> i'm just biden administration. >> why is the media so against cutting waste, fraud and abuse

from the government? i don't get it. >> i just. >> want to ask a question. >> you won't. >> be deterred. >> as part of my exchange with. >> caroline leavitt. >> a little bit earlier today. >> i followed up by pressing her. >> on claims. >> that she. >> made earlier this. >> week that the administration believes that there are tens. >> of. >> millions of dead people. >> on the social security. >> rolls right now. >> that are fraudulently. receiving social security payments. >> in fact, there. >> are millions of people over the age of. 100 in the social security administration's database. but the vast majority of those individuals are not receiving benefits. the issue has been repeatedly. >> looked at by inspectors. general at. >> the social. >> security administration, including. in 2023, the ig audit to which she was. >> referring there. they have argued that taking out those. >> old names and the names of dead people would. >> be. >> costly and unnecessary. >> the agency. >> also determined. >> that 89,000. >> individuals. >> not tens of millions over the age of 99, received retirement. >> payments in. december of 2024. >> out of the. >> more. >> than 70 million individuals who receive. >> benefits each year. >> so a little. >> bit of the back and forth

here regarding. >> some. >> of the key questions that the administration is facing right now. >> as it. relates to the pace and. >> the scope of the cuts taking place. >> jose and julie, i mean, all of this is new washington post ipsos poll shows just over half of voters. disapprove of elon musk shutting down programs he deems unnecessary. are there concerns among republicans there? >> paypal. >> oh, absolutely. even heading into this week, senator katie britt, for example, was raising concerns about cuts to the national institutes of health. yesterday, just a split screen moment here at cpac, where house speaker mike johnson said they will not be touching medicaid. of course, that pot of money, really the only way that you get to achieve those kinds of cuts that elon musk has been talking about. a couple of hours later, however, we saw elon musk take the stage waving a chainsaw, saying that he's taking that kind of approach to cutting government spending and government waste and back home and across the country, lawmakers for the first time, really, since they started this

congressional session in early january, hearing from constituents and what they heard was probably not what they expected. people, even in conservative rural areas in georgia and oregon, i know you played parts and bits and pieces of those town halls complaining and really brutal back and forth exchanges with their lawmakers, with their representatives. these are, by and large, republicans, people who support and voted for president trump but are outraged by these cuts happening not from trump, but by elon musk. we saw, of course, the firings across federal agencies. that doesn't just impact workers here in dc that stretches far and wide beyond that. and yesterday, late last night, as we saw the senate pass their version of a budget resolution that will essentially begin to unlock trump's legislative agenda on immigration on the border, those mass deportations that he wants to fund, essentially saying that they will throw additional money in certain pots. but as you hear musk saying, they will continue slashing others. so really big anxiety starting to unfurl, not

only for republican members, but certainly what they're hearing from constituents back home. and i'm very interested to see their reactions next week when they're back on capitol hill. and, of course, the house continues and trying to pass their version of the budget. and you really see the split screen moment here in speaker johnson and elon musk just yesterday. >> yeah. >> and i mean. >> brendan, i remember that you were working for boehner in 2010 when that tea party movement emerged. this is a different thing. but i'm just wondering, brennan, how deep do you think this really goes? these feelings that we saw in these two town halls, how deep is that vis a vis the general voting population? >> yeah, it certainly has echoes of 2010. in those raucous town halls, we saw that republicans when i was working for boehner, we took great advantage of. now i will say it's early, and it's not very hard to for somebody to create a viral moment these

days. but there's a very clear warning signs for a lot of republicans. and i think what we're. running into is the. >> broad idea. >> the spirit of what elon musk is doing is nice. as a conservative, i think it's great the idea that we would shrink the government. the problem is they're doing it in the dumbest way possible. there is no thought going into how they're they're doing. >> this. >> this, this lopping off huge sections of the workforce and federal programs, canceling huge swaths of contracts without any real thought into how it goes. really great stuff by peter there talking about fraud. yeah, there's a lot of fraud in social security. >> but it's not as fraud. >> someone doesn't just say it's fraud and you can cancel. >> that check. >> it's really hard work to go into government. find out places where fraud is, find out places where programs aren't working, and do this. >> in a really. >> smart way. that's what congress should be doing. it just doesn't really do its job in that way anymore. but if you want to actually like shrink government in a durable way. >> there are ways.

>> to. do that, but you're going to run into issues time and time again if you're just going making broad, sweeping cuts that are going to affect people's real lives, of course they're going to show up to town halls and make their voice heard. so i think at some point they're going to realize they're i don't know if it's overreach, they're just not doing it in a very smart way, and they're going to have to recalibrate a bit or there's going to be real blowback. and i'm sure donald trump has no interest in that. >> yeah. >> and brennan, however, you know, there. >> are ways, as you. >> say, there are ways of doing durable changes to the system, but nobody's ever done them. >> well. >> they've done them less and less. >> i mean, it. >> is congress's job every few years, typically to go into government agencies and reauthorize them and give them direction and tell them what they should be doing. we still do that in places like the defense department. every year, congress passes a bill and tells the dod how it should be operating. but over the last few decades, that work has really evaporated. and now you have huge swaths of the government that are no longer under any kind of congressional

authorization. and that. leaves the executive with all kinds of power. and donald trump is taking advantage of that. going through and figuring out how a government agency should work is really hard, hard work. you have to read inspector general reports. you have to go listen to talk to people at the gao and find out where there actually is fraud, and then put in systemic changes to the program. that kind of stuff is boring to a member of congress today. they'd rather go and say something crazy at cpac and wave around a chainsaw. that's going to get a lot more interest. and so the work goes undone, and it all it ends up doing, ironically, is empowering the executive at the expense of congress. >> yeah. i mean, jackie, one of the things that the executive is apparently looking at is weighing taking control of the postal service. what's going on there? >> yeah. >> this is a great. >> scoop by. my colleague jacob. and. >> something that. >> we touched on. >> during the transition with. some of our. >> reporting that trump has, has long. >> mused about privatizing. >> the u.s. postal service, but.

>> now it looks. like that actually might. >> be in the works. >> to really be executed. >> he's expected. >> to issue an executive order. >> as soon. >> as this week that. would essentially. >> fire members. >> of the postal service's. >> governing board, place. them the. >> agency under the control. >> of howard. >> lutnick at the commerce department. >> this is according to. >> six. >> people familiar. >> with the plans. the white house has denied. >> that any such executive order is in the works. >> but the board. >> has already actually. >> retained outside. >> counsel and told. >> the white house that they're going to sue. if these members are removed from the board, or if the agency is. the agency's independent status is altered in. >> any way. but to get back to what brendan said. >> i mean. >> this. >> is what is. >> going to, i think. >> the white. >> house. >> what might potentially be proved to be a. >> red line. for the. >> white house at the end of. >> the day, if. >> if there are negative numbers. >> if. >> there if musk's disapproval ratings start to seep into donald trump's numbers. because

of cuts. to really beloved. >> but, you know, lower profile. >> agencies like. >> the us. >> postal service, which actually. >> surprisingly, is one of. >> the americans. most highest. >> ranking beloved. government agencies, second only to the national park service. that is. >> when i. >> think. >> you know, you have angry constituents. >> that's when and it. >> starts to. again alter. >> donald trump's favorability numbers. >> that's when i think the white house might. >> start to. >> actually take some action in reining. >> in what doge. >> is doing. i mean, the postal service in. >> general, it's. been a. political independent. walled off from. >> political tinkering since 1970. >> so any. >> changes to the service at this point in time could be dramatically. >> felt by. >> people around the country that rely. >> on on the. >> service. >> especially in. rural areas. >> yeah. >> peter, do you get any indication that the white house is concerned about any of this?

>> you don't? >> candidly. >> i mean, obviously elon musk doesn't. >> he was the. >> one waving the chainsaw yesterday in front. >> of that. >> conservative cpac crowd. president trump has said in every occasion he's had. >> that he is. delivering on. >> the. promises made. and he has praised elon musk for the work that he's doing. we heard from caroline leavitt in the back and forth i had with her a while ago, touting some numbers that show that i think the number was like 70% of americans say that president trump is delivering on the promises he made, which isn't. >> in dispute. he made. >> a lot of these promises. i think to brendon's point, the question is there. >> are thoughtful. >> debates and conversations to have about ways to go about cracking down on wasteful spending, which is subjective. different people can have different views of what is a good or bad use of money right now, but the way that they're doing, and including the fact that at the national. >> nuclear security. >> administration and at other agencies, including those combating bird flu, they had firings. >> and then. >> they had to quickly try to reinstitute they had to bring the folks back. >> because they. >> were moving so quickly. even a fox news host this week saying

that. >> the. >> white. house needs. >> to be. >> quote. >> a. >> little less callous in the way it talks about this. back to you. >> peter alexander, julie jackie alemany and brendan buck. thank you all so very much. coming up, new reporting about what's happening on kash patel's first day as fbi director. plus, an nbc news. exclusive why the trump administration cleared migrants out of guantanamo bay and the call for answers after an 11 year old girl dies by suicide after her mother says bullies. threatened to call immigration officials on her family. we're back in 90s. you're watching jose diaz-balart you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on msnbc. with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, can come and go. but if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there.

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surge in sexual exploitation of children and women. joining us now is nbc's julia ainsley. julia, you reported exclusively on the trump administration clearing the migrants out of guantanamo bay. first, let's talk about that. what happened? >> yeah. this was honestly wild, jose. we learned that the first flight of migrants leaving. guantanamo would. >> be taking off. of course. >> i was working. >> with my. >> colleague courtney kube, who covers the pentagon. >> and then. >> all of a sudden, we. >> started putting the. >> numbers together and realized that was the entire population. that number. >> also matched with the number. >> of. >> venezuelans that. >> honduras took in. so we were able to figure. >> out and by. >> tracking the flight numbers on this. >> plane. >> that most of those. >> migrants. 177 out of. 178 of them. >> were turned. >> over to honduras. >> that remaining. person was. sent to the united states to do detention here. honduras said. >> in. >> a statement that they would be taking in those migrants temporarily on their way back to venezuela. all of them came from venezuela. we also got a breakdown that over 50 of them were seen as non-criminal. in

other words, the only violation they had is that they came into the us illegally or were. >> living in the united. >> states without status. the others were considered to have had a criminal record. a lot of information at once, jose, but what we understand now is that the senior administration or senior dhs official rather, is saying that guantanamo. now is only a. >> temporary holding place. >> a stop on their way to deportation. that's a little different from what trump said when he signed an executive order to put migrants in guantanamo, that they would be sending the worst of the worst, and they weren't sure when they would ever get out. part of the reason we think this could have changed, we're still connecting the dots here, but we know that they were short funded there. they lacked the space and the migrant operation center. they could only fit about 50 people into a place built for 200. and remember, trump wanted to send 30,000. so it's really been a change in the plan of having 30,000 people indefinitely to now. >> only having. >> you know, less than 200 and then even clearing out that population. we do understand, jose, that they do still plan to

use this space for migrants, but still only in a temporary setting. and it's unclear why they would do that rather than hold them in the ice detention places right here in the united states. >> yeah. and then also why and how honduras all of a sudden changed its position in just a couple of weeks when the president of that country was saying, no way they were going to deal with that. and now they're accepting people coming from the united states. but but, julia, what are we learning about the white house's decision to end tps for half a million haitians? >> well, this is something that they said they would do. they, of course, ended tps for venezuelans as well. but look, we've all seen the horrific images coming out of haiti, especially at the time where the biden administration granted tps, where there were violent gangs taking over much of port au prince. it was very hard for people to even leave haiti because there was a fuel shortage. they couldn't even fill up, put gas in a boat to get off of the island. so it seems that to end this, it's really hard to argue that they

are doing this to deter future migration from haiti. there was already so hard for those people to leave. and then i think, now, what this means is that for so many haitians who are already here in the united states, not only are they eligible for deportation, they lose their work status. so for cities who have been complaining that they had too many haitians who came in all of a sudden that they were worried about this, now it's more of a burden because those people can no longer work. of course, you think back to youngsville, ohio, a place, or springfield, ohio, rather that trump highlighted during his campaign. things won't get better for springfield when you now have a population of people who can't work their. >> julie ainsley, i thank you so very much. meanwhile, two new lawsuits challenging the trump administration's decision to end tps for nearly 600,000 venezuelans, leaving them vulnerable to deportation later this year. joining us now, jorge escobar, the chief of programs and services at casa, one of the organizations behind the one of the lawsuits, casa receives about 10% of their funding, by the way, by the federal

government. jorge, why is garza suing the trump administration on this? >> thank you so much. >> for having us, jose. >> i mean, look, and. >> your reporting. >> made it clear, right? >> it the trump. >> administration has. >> clearly signaled. >> that they're going to strip as many protections. >> from lawful. >> abiding immigrants in. >> this. >> country as possible. >> right? venezuela is just the first shoe. >> to drop. >> they are the first country that has. >> a tps designation. >> to be. >> dropped, right? we have to remember who these folks are. these folks went. >> through a. >> background screening. >> these folks. >> volunteered their information to uscis and. >> to the department. >> of homeland security, because they were confident that this program existed, and they were confident that the government would be true to their word, and they would protect them from deportation. >> and grant them a work permit. >> so now we're seeing the trump administration reverse all these decisions. >> and it's. >> clearly why they're doing it, right. >> they're doing it. >> they're signaling they're. racist and. >> ethnic animus. >> in in the media. >> right. they're calling venezuelans dirtbags. they're

calling. >> they're saying. >> immigrants poison the blood of this country. so it's clear that. >> is the major. motivating factor. behind these decisions. >> it's not. >> a. >> policy decision. it's not. >> based. >> on real conditions on the ground. it's based on political theater. >> and really. >> we we're suing to make sure. that the us commits to. their fulfills. >> their. >> commitment in this case. >> for venezuela. >> that had already. extended that that benefit. >> for another 18 months. >> and we're suing because. >> this is wrong. >> and this is contrary to the. >> us constitution. >> and obviously. >> there's racial. >> bias and animus behind. these decisions. >> so. >> jorge, just trying to get focus in on what exactly legally you are basing it on because the decision to reverse tps is an executive decision, right? as it is an executive decision to grant tps. and we can of course, talk about, you know, how tps has been used for decades in the

united states by the executive. what legally are you challenging. the tps historically is a. >> humanitarian relief measure, right? >> it provides an immigrant. immigration benefit, which is a work permit. >> for a specific. >> amount of time, because conditions in that particular country are so devastating. >> that that that country. >> cannot receive those those. >> immigrants at. >> this time, at that time. right. so what are what the basis. >> of our lawsuit. >> is that this decision. >> wasn't based. >> on any administrative review of country conditions. it wasn't based on any real world analysis of what is going on in that particular country. in this case, venezuela. >> and number. >> two, we are suing because th. it's obvious that the intention here was was racist. and they've. signaled that in. >> the media. >> they've signaled. >> that in. >> their agenda. >> they've signaled. >> that in every, every press

clipping you can find of the trump administration and of secretary noem herself. she went on national television really recently, right, and called venezuelans dirt bags. and two days later they withdraw this this designation. so that's the. >> basis that's the legal. >> basis of. the of the. >> lawsuit in itself, those two grounds. >> jorge. >> thank you very much for being with us. really appreciate your time. thank you. >> so much. >> and now to texas, where officials are investigating. just horrible story. the death by suicide of an 11 year old girl. mother of joselyn carranza says that she was being bullied over her family's immigration status. abc's marissa parra is with us this morning. marissa, what a horrible story. what are the details of this? >> so she. >> ended her life on february 8th in gainesville, >> texas, just over two weeks ago. and yes, just 11 years old. jose. her family says that she

was taunted and bullied relentlessly over her immigration status. as you mentioned, we're hearing more from her mother and her grandmother. here's what they both told telemundo in spanish. >> i see. >> you know, queremos otros ninos affect por lo. >> mismo qanon. >> esta pasando para. >> aqui. >> companeros. >> you know. >> the. >> idea, mija? porque nunca nunca me comunicacion esta pasando. >> so. >> to summarize, her mother and her grandmother were saying that her classmates at school were bullying her for her immigration status, that they were threatening to call ice on her family. we know that. her father had also told one of telemundo's correspondents yesterday over the phone that joselyn had said to her. father. in the days

prior to ending. >> her life, be careful. >> daddy, i don't want them to take you. now the family is saying the school knew about this, that she was receiving counseling, but that they. did not hear any communication from the school. the school in gainesville is responding. here is part of their statement. they say in part, whenever we receive a report of bullying, we respond swiftly to ensure all students are safe physically and emotionally. while we cannot release any information about specific students or incidents, our schools have several policies in place to combat bullying and resolve conflicts. and jose, as you mentioned, we know gainesville police said they are investigating this. obviously, a lot more details to potentially come in the days and weeks ahead, but just horrifically sad on so many levels, especially for the family now carrying this loss. >> just breaks your heart. >> marissa parra, thank you so very much. and if you or someone you know is in crisis, help is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. you can call or text the national suicide and crisis lifeline. the number is

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deal. here's the bottom line. president zelensky is going to sign that deal, and you will see that in the very short term. and we are hearing from a ukrainian soldier about how the trump administration's cuts on us aid is affecting those in the battlefront. >> critics have said that president trump is exploiting ukraine, is taking advantage of its position right now in order to extract resources. you, as someone who's fought for this country so much. what do you think about that? between two evils, you have to pick the better one, he says. if i have to choose between the united states and the possibility that russia will take over our country, i pick the united states. >> joining us now is nbc's richard engel. he is in eastern ukraine. also with us is general barry mccaffrey, retired four star general and nbc news

military analyst, and hagar chemali, former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the un and the treasury department, as well as the former director for syria and lebanon at the white house national security council under president obama. richard, what's the latest on the ground there? and that soldier or member of the armed forces one way or another? it was an interesting way of describing it, the lesser of two evils. >> so that soldier and i'll give you a little context. he was at a rehabilitation center. he spent much of the last three years in some of the worst battlefields in this country, right along the russian border. places like avdiivka, bakhmut, where there are daily battles. and he's now getting some treatment for ptsd and other, other conditions related to, to the intense combat that he's seen. and he's speaking from a practical point of view. he's seen what the russians can bring to the battle. he's seen how

difficult it is for russia, for ukrainian troops to defend their territory. he told he told me he's used american weapons. he's been using them for the last three years. and that they're essential to keep this fight going. so from his perspective, it is better to sign some sort of deal for minerals that are under the ground that that ukraine isn't really accessing right now than to lose the territory to russia, and then you lose the minerals anyway, and you lose the country and you lose your freedom. so he's taking it from a very pragmatic point of view, saying, why not? it's better than what else do we have to lose? but he did describe it as the lesser of two evils. he clearly feels that president trump is using all his leverage is taking advantage of the country's weak position, is pushing a tough deal, but it's a deal that he thinks he can accept. and jose, you mentioned syria. and if i can use one other example and i'd love to hear what others have to say about this. it's kind of it's

kind of similar to what president trump did in syria in his first term. there were u.s. troops in this case. there were u.s. troops in syria backing the kurds. president trump was threatening to pull them out and only decided in the end to keep them when they could be used to protect oil fields. so president trump said that, okay, he'll leave those troops in syria, but they weren't there for a humanitarian mission. they weren't there for an counter-isis mission. they weren't serving any political purpose. that was his justification. they were there so that the united states could protect the oil and get the oil. that was the way he rationalized it. and it seems like he is bringing that same sort of logic here, that it's not about protecting an ally. it's not about protecting europe, not about maintaining american commitments. it's what can he get out of it? and if he thinks that he can get some sort of benefit in oil in syria or minerals here, then it's worth it. and at this stage, it seems

like president zelenskyy is coming closer to that line of thinking. he rejected the deal initially because he didn't think there was enough detail in it. but now, according to his statements, they're reexamining it and seem anxious to get this behind them. >> you know, richard, i'm so glad. and it's because of your extraordinary experience and quite frankly, your just knowledge of so many things. but but yeah, that, that interesting example of what, you know, trump won essentially did with syria. the way he thought of it. he's on the issue of ukraine, talked recently about, well, the europeans have been giving ukraine money, but as a loan or with some guarantees, all the money that the united states has sent over is essentially a gift with no guarantees. and hagab just, you know, fascinated by richard's analogy and, you know, how he weaves the thread of history, right? and this just

this week alone, we started with the president of the united states calling trump the president of united states, trump calling zelensky a dictator. and now we have trump's special envoy to ukraine calling zelensky a, quote, courageous leader of a nation at war. how do you see these differences? and they're more than just semantical differences. >> sure. so first. >> first, i. really appreciated richard's take on this one because i'm also a student of political history. and i would add to richard's point that it's not just trump in his first administration who pursued that, by the way, but as ugly as it may look, it's not completely unheard of for u.s. administrations to seek the resources or access the resources of other countries in, in a, in a range of different situations, sometimes in war and other times not. right before president biden left office, he went to angola. why? because he was building a train that went from would go from congo to

angola to export the lithium iron ore from congo, because those are materials and minerals we need for our phones and our tablets and so on. and so it looks ugly, but. >> it. >> is sometimes a fact of geopolitics and it. kind of is what it is. but that said, to your point about trump calling zelensky a dictator and then his own staff kind of walking it back, you know, one. of the things that's interesting. >> with president. >> trump is that it's hard to know sometimes when he is saying things for attention or for. >> bluster or for. >> negotiating posturing, or when he's actually pursuing a shift in policy in policies. and, for example, when he approaches the middle east. i think a lot of it is attention or bluster. or posturing in negotiations. and for this one, i do worry that there's this shift in policy, because by saying something like this, by by pointing out the question of elections being delayed in ukraine, he's undermining faith in ukraine's democracy. i don't think that's going to actually have an effect, by the way, inside ukraine. but that said,

that's that's pursuing this shift of policy, and it comes from a hatred for zelenskyy that stems from the first administration. right. that's where this comes from. and trump can be vengeful. but that's to give you some context on it. and meanwhile his staff is going to be the one that's left to kind of pick up the pieces. and ensure a deal that not just lasts, but and keeps putin at bay, but actually also works with the american public. >> yeah. boy general, so much to talk about and with your experience. but i'm just thinking of the realpolitik aspect of everything. right. and when you see, general, that this discussion going on between the trump administration and, and ukraine, a lot of it has to do with and richard kind of touched on it, the weakness or strength of ukraine at the battlefield, the weakness or strength of russia inside ukraine. how do you see that going? what's the military picture? that really kind of is the basis for all of this, i guess, diplomatic

discussions. >> look, we shouldn't be confused by all this. this is. shameful behavior by the united states. we send in the us treasury secretary to president of a sovereign country. >> embattled our ally. >> fighting to preserve their values as a european nation and mug them and tell them to hand over with almost no security guarantees, $500 billion in mineral wealth and repayment for 119 billion in us armed support, much of which, i might add, was putting a dollar figure on obsolescent us equipment that we sent to ukraine. this is not normal behavior. now, general kellogg and national security advisor walter, in a terrible position, trying to put the best possible face on this. the president, united states has aligned himself in public, apparently with putin's criminal

invasion of ukraine. you know, calling zelensky a dictator. no elections. you know, the brits. churchill didn't call elections in world war two because they were under attack by the nazis. so we're in a painful situation. our allies in europe are appalled at our behavior with good reason. >> richard engel, general barry mccaffrey and molly, thank you so very much. up next, israel's prime minister vowing revenge after hamas released the wrong body of what it claimed was the mother of two young boys that had been killed. we're live in tel aviv. you're watching jose tel aviv. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports when bad allergies attack... ♪♪ trust claritin to keep you in the game. ♪♪ nothing is proven more powerful for continuous non-drowsy allergy relief. live claritin clear.®

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