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>> good to be back with you i'm allie vitale in for chris jansing. and at this hour focus on fraud. the white house right now doubling down on claims of rampant fraud in our government without providing any evidence to back it up. the response when nbc news challenged those claims. plus, first day on the job. from mixed messages to reassignments, what we're learning about kash patel's first hours as fbi director. and left in scrambles. a rise in bird flu infections means there's no sign of egg prices dropping. what that could mean for the cost of your favorite sweet treat. also, shift to the right the support for germany's far right party surges and gets the official stamp of approval from both elon musk and vice president jd vance heading into sunday's critical election. our nbc news reporters are following the latest developments across all those stories. but we start with the trump administration defending its slash and burn job
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cuts amid new pushback from republicans who are hearing from their constituents back home. nbc's garrett haake is covering the white house for us. garrett, what can you tell us about the white house reaction here? >> ali. >> it's important. >> to remember. >> something like 80%. >> of. >> federal workers don't live here in washington, d.c. they're out in the states. and as these cuts have gone deeper, the backlash has grown. we've seen it start to show up in some polling showing the president's favorability numbers slipping a little bit. and we've seen it start to show up at congressional town halls with members of the house of representatives home in washington. this is home in their districts, rather not in washington this week. our colleague peter alexander asked caroline leavitt, the white house press secretary, earlier today, about whether this is all an indication that the white house cuts have been too deep or too sloppy. listen to their exchange. >> there should be there should be no secret about the fact that this administration is committed to cutting waste, fraud and abuse. the president campaigned on that promise. americans elected him on that promise, and
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he's actually delivering on it. and this is something that democrats promised they would do for decades. president trump is just the first president to get it done. >> let me ask you about the fraud. if i can, we can all have our own opinion about what is wasteful spending. and republicans have praised the president for cutting wasteful spending. but fraud, of course, is a crime. so have you turned over evidence of fraud to the justice department? and when should we expect to see those indictments? >> it's a clever question. first of all, i think all americans would agree that funding mastectomies and mozambique is not something that the american people should be funding or dei programs. i think it's fraudulent that the american government has been ripping off taxpayers in this way. >> so peter's questions do make a very important distinction here. anybody can disagree about what might be wasteful spending, but fraud is a crime. and so far the administration has yet to produce any evidence of any of it. i think that's why we're seeing, candidly, ali, more of a focus on cutting the places where they feel like and where courts have given them the green
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light to proceed. things like probationary workers, those newer workers at the federal government, places where they know they can get savings on the bottom line. but the outcomes in the longer term may not be as positive for them politically. >> garrett hake, thank you. and today is kash patel's first day on the job as director of the fbi. nbc news learned from three people familiar with the matter that before he even arrived at fbi headquarters, support staff working in the director's office were told to pack up their desks and leave. nbc's ken dilanian is covering that story for us. ken, that action, a jarring departure from the conciliatory tone patel tried to strike in his message to the fbi workforce. take us inside his day one. >> yeah. that's right. so in an email to the entire fbi. workforce this morning. >> patel, who has. >> been a bomb. >> thrower and. >> has been denouncing. >> the fbi as sort. >> of captured by the deep state, tried. >> to strike a more conciliatory tone, as you said. he said he. >> had. >> the backs of the workforce. he said that his job was to go
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after violent crime and to restore the reputation of the fbi. >> he didn't. >> talk about targeting. members of the deep state or going after corrupt. >> fbi agents. >> as. >> he has. >> in the past. but the actions spoke loudly as well. and what happened before he actually arrived at headquarters yesterday, after he was confirmed by the senate, is that all the support staff who worked on the seventh floor of the fbi building where the director's suite is, were told to pack their things and leave their desks, that they were being reassigned. and the perception was that they were not viewed as loyal. and so when kash patel arrived again, according to these three people familiar with the matter, he essentially assumed command in the director's suite without anybody else there. they sealed the doors and he brought his own team in, and that was it. and so it remains to be seen exactly what direction he takes the fbi, whether he will remove, move thousands of people from headquarters to the field, as he has promised to do. but this initial action about sort of getting rid of all the support staff on the seventh floor who served the prior administration,
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is creating some unease within the bureau. ali. >> certainly. ken dilanian, thank you. and now to the growing health crisis. as a rise in bird flu infection shows no signs of slowing and neither do the soaring prices of eggs. nbc's christine romans is following this one for us. christine, what's the impact on businesses here? well, for a lot of businesses, especially bakeries. >> ali, you. >> know, this is a big part of. >> their input costs. >> i mean, some of. >> these these bakers. >> that. >> we talked to. >> you know, they buy this buy by the. >> pound. >> you know, 90 pounds a week. when bakery. in pittsburgh told us they buy of eggs, liquid eggs, literally in buckets that they make into into batter. and this has been a skyrocketing price for them. and that is something they struggle with. whether they pass that cost on to, you know, inflation weary consumers or they have to eat that cost themselves. listen to someone we spoke with. >> we use. >> eggs and. >> almost everything we make here. in january of 2024, the price was $38. this week, the
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price is $169. for the same amount of eggs. when something goes up this drastically this quickly, there's not a whole lot we can do except eat the cost. >> i mean, just imagine that price increase for him. and we go to the grocery store and we see empty shelves in some cases, or we're paying, you know, five, six, seven, $8, depending on where you live in the country for a dozen eggs he's buying. and companies are buying eggs at a much broader, bigger scale. what's interesting when you talk to the american egg board and you talk to experts and people who represent the egg farmers, this is not a short term solution situation we are in here, ali. i mean, the president of the american egg board told me that the american people should really be prepared for a long haul here a year. we're talking nine months to a year. it takes a farm that has been stricken by bird flu to really recover. and so this is a this is a long term problem that is here to stay for at least now ali.
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>> so high prices here to stay on eggs christine. but stocks are also down today with the dow tumbling 700 points. what's behind that drop. >> yes. some jitters about the american economy. it began yesterday with walmart. walmart said it wouldn't earn quite as much money as it thought it would, because it is not immune from potential tariffs from the trump administration. and kind of underscoring the uncertainty overall and where the economy goes from here this year. and then we saw an existing home sales number this morning that was weak. and also consumer sentiment a confidence reading that was the weakest in about three years and or 2 or 3 years. and that kind of underscores some of the jitters that you've seen more recently. i will point out when you look at the stock market here, very recently, the s&p 500 made record highs. so sometimes when you're sitting there at record highs in a stock market that has really soared for the better part of two, 2 or 3 years, a little bit of negative jitters can often cause people to, you know, to sell
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stocks and overreact a little bit. but just watching this here, this would be the second day in a row you've seen big declines here in the overall markets. >> certainly something to keep an eye on. christine romans, we know you will. thank you. and now to this weekend's election in germany, where a far right party is on track for its best ever election results. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from berlin raf. the alternative for germany party is heading into election day. fresh off recent boosts from vice president vance and elon musk, what do we know about the group and its leader? >> yeah, ali. so the alternative. >> for germany party. >> it's known here as the afd. >> it is a. >> populist far. >> right party. some of its platform is. >> going to sound familiar. they are talking about restoring german greatness. >> they are. >> talking about cutting support to ukraine. they are talking about slashing immigration. and some of the more extreme members are talking about actually stripping citizenship away from german citizens who were born overseas. and as you say, they
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are heading into sunday's election with a boost from both elon musk and from vice president jd vance. musk has been very explicit. he is openly endorsing the afd. he has spoken at one of their conferences. he's done an ex space with one with their leader, and he is boosting them on the regular on x. now, the vice president's intervention in this election has been a little more subtle. he was speaking at the munich security conference last weekend, and he said that germany's mainstream parties needed to abandon their so-called firewall. the firewall is the principle that the parties of the center left, the center right, do not cooperate with the far right. given this country's history of naziism. now, mainstream parties were stunned that the american vice president seemed to be intervening so directly in the german election. this was absolutely music to the ears of the afd. they saw it as a stamp of legitimacy directly from the
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white house. and we spoke to an afd parliamentary candidate. this is what she told us about vance's speech. >> it allows. >> them to. >> think what they actually feel. they are. i think they're just open a door. i don't think it influenced anybody, but i think i do think that that it it allowed a mind shift maybe, or just an. yeah, just i think people are now they feel free to actually vote for what they always wanted to vote for. >> so, ali, you heard that afd candidate there basically saying she feels the vice president of the united states has given a permission structure for german voters to cast their ballots for the far right. >> and certainly europe was stunned in the aftermath of vance's comments. now we'll see another test of the far right in europe. ralph sanchez, thank you. coming up in 90s, we'll go live to the manhattan courthouse where accused killer luigi
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care ceo brian thompson, will appear in court for the first time since pleading not guilty to murder and terror charges. today's appearance is routine, but his case has sparked massive interest nationwide. his supporters have raised over $515,000 for his legal defense fund, and his lawyers created a website where he can post updates. he recently wrote a message thanking his supporters, saying, quote, i'm overwhelmed by and grateful for everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support. joining me now, nbc's stephen romo, who's outside the manhattan courthouse for us, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and criminal defense attorney and nbc news legal analyst danny cevallos are also with us. stephen, first to you. what are we expecting to happen in court today? it could all begin in just a few moments. >> yeah, it's set to happen any minute now. our team inside says that mangione is in there. he's in a holding location waiting to walk inside where his legal team
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is already present, waiting for that hearing. we expect this to be largely procedural. it could be quite brief, a status conference for the parties involved to talk about where they are in this case. we heard back during the arraignment late last year. the defense team wants access to the evidence that prosecutors have had since the very beginning of all of this, so we could perhaps hear more of that again. a judge could potentially set a trial date. today we're looking for that as well to see if any news comes from that alley. but right now, we're also talking to many of the people that have gathered outside. there's a lot of interest in this case. >> you were talking to us about some of the signs and show of support that you're seeing outside that courthouse. but, lisa, i want to turn to you because this is mangione's first court appearance since pleading not guilty. as stephen mentioned, we could get a trial date today. what kind of considerations go into that? >> one of the considerations, ali, is how much time the parties need to review discovery, but also make other pretrial motions. it's typical
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for defense counsel to make a motion to dismiss the indictment in this case, particularly given everything that we've seen and the fact that the murder itself was caught on camera. that will be a challenging motion to make. but one of the other things that we also could see raised today, or potentially in the future, is the question of mangione's competence to stand trial. there's been a lotcussion about his mental state, and the days and weeks and months leading up to this alleged murder. his attorneys could tell the judge today that he needs to be evaluated just to determine whether, in fact, he is competent to stand trial. it's not a requirement that he do so today, but they could raise that and that could add additional time into that pretrial schedule as well. >> some key things for us to look for there, danny, over $550,000 has been raised for mangione's legal defense fund as a defense attorney. how critical can that kind of money be. >> when you're on the defense? money is really everything.
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almost every defense team, even the most well-heeled defense teams, have money issues because you're going up against the might of the government, in this case, the manhattan da's office. sometimes it's the federal government in mangione's other case, but they have limitless resources. you're always hurting for money on the defense. and so getting an influx. of over half $1 million could be a game changer. now, i say that with an asterisk because there is a lot of evidence against this defendant, but it can make a massive, massive difference. in fact, most of the time with public defenders, people complain about public defenders and court appointed attorneys. the challenge is that these are all very good attorneys. it's just they have very few resources compared to the government. >> yeah, it's the heavy caseload oftentimes, too. but danny mangione's legal team set up a website to give updates on the case, and they recently posted a message from him to his supporters. defense attorneys generally want their clients to maintain a public silence about
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ongoing court proceedings. right. so what's the strategy here for the defense team to create this kind of website for him, almost urging him, hey, speak out. >> yeah, i've looked at the website. i've looked at. >> his statement. in my view, he still not saying anything public. here's what i mean by that. that statement says basically nothing. it's thanking everyone for their support. i can't read all my mail or i can't respond to everyone. i read all your letters. there is nothing substantive in that statement or anywhere in the website that would cause him any harm. there's some reproduction of some of some transcripts, some essentially news releases. this is not a website. that is a defense attorney. i would be worried that the client is prejudicing himself far more dangerous when clients get ahold of the phone in prison or in jail. far more dangerous if they get ahold of a cell phone or, god forbid, call into a radio show, or do a podcast or post something on social media. that is not what mangione's defense team is doing. this is well curated, well edited, and i'd be
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surprised if mangione even drafted that statement himself. he may have looked at it, he may have had a hand in it, but some real professionals made sure that anything that went on that website was safe. and for the most part, everything on that website is harmless for mangione. >> so nothing harmful on that website to danny's eye. but lisa, how could these moves by his defense team shape a jury pool? how difficult could it make it to find an impartial jury? in part because of a website like that, but also just because of all of the publicity around this event? >> well, as danny just said, i find that website to be generally innocuous as well. but what it is trying to do is feed the public insatiability for information about the case. far more dangerous to the jury pool is the overall fascination with luigi mangione and his stated rationale for the killing. we've had reports, including from our nbc news team, that there are dozens of mostly women there today to show their support for mangione, and this feels almost like the menendez brothers case
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a second time around. there's a public fascination with luigi mangione as a folk hero, trying to avenge what the public understands as a fixation with costs rather than saving lives. that is a far more dangerous dynamic here, to picking a jury than anything that the defense counsel has done, or even could do on a website to which there can be no live interaction with the public. >> so we'll be keeping an eye on that new york city courtroom. we'll bring back anything to you as it warrants. but for now, steven romo, lisa rubin, and danny cevallos, thank you for joining us. and right now in alabama city is without an operating police force. the mayor of hanceville put the entire department on administrative leave after a grand jury warned it operated as more of a criminal enterprise than a law enforcement agency and is an ongoing threat to public safety. nbc's janelle griffith is following this for us. janelle, what's going on here and how is this city functioning without a police department?
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>> yes, ali. >> so just. >> last night, the mayor said that he was going to have the entire police force put on administrative leave in the wake of this grand jury's, you know, damning findings and the recommendation that the police department be abolished. and he also said that the cullman county sheriff's office was going to temporarily take over law enforcement duties for the city. this came just a day after the district attorney there revealed that five officers from this tiny department of just about eight people, as of august had been indicted. here's what the district attorney had to say this week. >> the citizens. >> of huntsville. deserve equal protection under the law. they deserve to have a safe community just like everyone. else in this county. a badge is not a license to corrupt the administration of justice. and when law enforcement officers abuse their power, they do damage to the public's trust in law
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enforcement. >> yes, ali. so one of the most damning things that the grand jury investigation found was that evidence was not secured in this police department. the district attorney went as far as to say that there was unfettered access to the evidence room. and all of this was found out. all these allegations were laid out as part of an investigation into the death of a911 dispatcher from this same department, who died in late august. he was found dead at work from an apparent overdose, an accidental overdose. and now they're probing whether he accessed those drugs from the evidence room themselves, which was not properly secured and which people were accessing without authorization, according to the district attorney and the grand jury. >> janelle griffith, thanks for following this for us. and still to come, what we're learning about what happened to the youngest hostages held by hamas, their bodies released to their their bodies released to their families just yesterday. you're
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we've also got breaking news from within the administration, the trump administration parting ways with the head of its immigration and customs enforcement, or ice division for that story. we'll go to nbc's julia ainsley. julia, you're the first person to report this. and it comes after simmering tensions from president trump and tom homan about the pace of deportations and the effort there. right. >> yeah, ali, i know our heads can be spinning at the end of this week with everyone who's in and who's out in this administration, but the context of this one here is really important. caleb vitiello is someone who was assigned as acting ice director because he was a longtime career law enforcement individual who also had close personal ties, previously working with stephen miller at the nsc under the previous trump administration. stephen miller thought he was someone who was strong and would get mass deportations up. but as we've reported, those deportation numbers have not kept pace with the expectations that trump or his borders are. tom homan had. in fact, we know trump has recently been angry, and tom homan has been blaming
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people within ice for not getting those numbers up. but tello himself is the one who gave those ice agents a directive to say that they had to be arresting between 1200 and 1500 migrants a day. we know the numbers aren't anywhere near that number. in fact, they hover around 800 a day, and many of those haven't even led to deportation. so now we understand that caleb vitiello will stay on at ice. he will be overseeing the day to day arrest and targeting of immigrants, but they are looking for someone else to fill this job as acting ice director, someone who then would go before, possibly before the senate to try to be confirmed to this position. they want someone more political. we're hearing someone even more closely tied to the trump administration, and someone who they think will get them bigger results. ali, what this says is that the trump administration is frustrated with the deportation so far, and they want heads to roll as a result of it. >> and a lot of eye is going to be on whoever they put in the ice director position. given the high priority on aggressive
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deportation enforcement this administration has put there. julia ainsley, thank you for that reporting. and turning now to. tense moments inside the white house this afternoon as president trump addressed republican and democratic governors. nbc's yamiche alcindor is reporting from dc. yamiche, there's one moment that striking people's attention. what happened? >> that's right. there was this really feisty back and forth between maine's governor, janet mills, a democrat, and president trump, with president trump calling out maine for saying and saying that he would take away federal funding if they did not ban transgender athletes from competing in sports. that did not identify with the gender that they were assigned at birth. so i want to play a little bit of that exchange. take a listen. >> is maine here? the governor of maine, >> not here. >> are you not going to comply with that? >> comply with. >> state. >> and federal laws? >> well, i'm we are the federal law. well, you better do it. you better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding
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at all if you don't. and by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, although i did very well there, your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports. so you better come. you better comply because otherwise you're not getting any any federal funding. every state. good. i'll see you in court. i look forward to that. that should be a real easy one. and enjoy your life after governor. because i don't think you'll be in elected politics. >> so, ali, i mean, quite the scene there at the white house with the governor not backing down, saying, i will see you in court. if people couldn't hear. the president was also saying, are you going to comply with the law? and she said, i'm complying with the state and federal law. and man, maine's stance right now is that federal law and state law bars discrimination of people, and that includes transgender americans. and they see that executive order by president trump barring transgender athletes from competing in sports as, as as being violating people's civil rights. so that's where things stand. definitely a showdown that's going to happen in the
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court. but also, as you saw in the white house as well, ali. >> a showdown in the courts and a showdown in that room of bipartisan governors. it's not like he was sitting there just talking to other republicans. of course, mills, not one of them. but the fact that that's the exchange that they saw. yamiche alcindor, very tense. thank you for that reporting. and now turning overseas shock and outrage in israel today, after the idf made this announcement about ariel and her two young children abducted during the october 7th attack and returned to israel in coffins yesterday. >> contrary to hamas, lies are real. and kfir were. >> not killed. >> in an airstrike. ariel and kfir bibas. >> were murdered. >> by terrorists in cold blood. the terrorists did not shoot the two young boys. they killed them with their bare hands. afterwards. >> they committed. >> horrific acts to cover up this atrocities.
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>> that heartbreaking and grim assessment, coming hours after the idf revealed that another body returned yesterday, along with the children said to be their mother, shari indeed was not. it was instead the remains of an unknown gazan woman. nbc's kelly cobiella joins us now. kelly. many israelis described the return of the remains of the bibas family yesterday as the most painful moment since october 7th. so what has the reaction been to these new, unsettling developments? >> yeah. >> those. >> coffins basically paraded. yesterday before being handed over to the red cross. >> it has been devastating. >> for the bibas family. >> today they. >> held out hope. >> to the very. >> end that the little boys and their mother would be returned safely. but today, the idf said the boy's remains were identified through dna and that their mother's body was missing. inside, the coffin, labeled with shari bibas name, was the body of a palestinian woman from gaza. shari and her sons, four year old ariel and nine month old kfir, were kidnaped october
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7th. all of it captured in video. in many ways, this family symbolized the absolute trauma and devastation of that day. hamas said that they were killed in an air strike in an israeli air strike in november of 2023. the idf now says that the boys were murdered, just a horrifying turn for the boy's father, who was released february 1st, and for the rest of the bibas family, as well as the families of some 60 hostages who now are unsure whether their loved ones or their will return or their bodies, if in fact, they have already died. israeli president benjamin netanyahu, clearly sorry, prime minister benjamin netanyahu, clearly furious. here's what he had to say today. >> today, the heavens shake. the entire civilized world should condemn these horrific murders. the entire civilized world should join israel in demanding
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the immediate release of all the hostages. all of israel is united in grief. and as the prime minister of israel, i vow that i will not rest until the savages who executed our hostages are brought to justice. they do not deserve to walk this earth. nothing will stop me. nothing. >> the boy's aunt said today that the family is not seeking revenge. only sherif's body to be returned to them. hamas said today it was looking into all of this and said there may have been a mix up after the bombing where the mom and her young sons were held at. perhaps another one of the victims of that airstrike that hamas claims killed the babies, boys and their mother had also killed a palestinian woman. perhaps somehow there was a mix up in the remains. hamas also said that they're moving ahead with the next hostage release tomorrow. ali. they named six
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hostages who are all believed to still be alive, who will or are expected to be returned tomorrow. but ali, all of this raising questions about the ceasefire and the second phase, which still has not been negotiated. ali. >> kelly cobiella, thank you. and to ask more of those questions that kelly brings up there, i want to bring in michael crowley, diplomatic correspondent for the new york times. michael, the bibas family has become a symbol of the horrors of october 7th, in part because cofer was just nine months old when he was kidnaped, the youngest of the hostages. but now we have this awful news about he and his brother ariel's fate. how does this extremely emotional kind of development affect diplomatic talks to extend the ceasefire? those talks were already tenuous. >> absolutely. >> thank. >> thank you for. >> having me. and you're. >> absolutely right. >> you know, absolutely heartbreaking story that is going to have real diplomatic consequences. it was going to be
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hard enough to extend this phase that israel is in with hamas, which is a pause in the fighting to allow for the. >> release of hostages and the release of palestinian prisoners. >> and this time period is supposed to be used for negotiations to. try to establish a permanent ceasefire, where. >> you would have. >> a long term. >> israeli israeli withdrawal. >> and, you know, hopefully basically say that this conflict. >> is over. but of course. >> emotion is part of what's happening here and drives. >> the politics. >> around prime minister netanyahu. and you can hear from his rhetoric, the visceral outrage he is feeling, which is, i think is reflecting a sense in the israeli population of just kind of a fresh sense of horror, you know, ripping open the wounds of october 7th. and to the extent that some or many israelis may have felt like the campaign in gaza had gone on long enough, had killed quite a
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lot of palestinians, including many innocents. i think there's a new sense of outrage and indignation that's just going to make it a lot harder to reach that deal, a deal of any kind, never mind trying to solve the many sort of logistical problems that we're going to make that hard to begin with. >> so outrage and emotion swirling. but then there's also the role that president trump plays, because the trump administration has challenged arab nations to come up with a plan that they like better for gaza's future. if they don't like the president's extremely outside the box and unorthodox idea for the u.s. to take over the gaza strip and displace the palestinians there. now it looks like those arab nations are taking him up on that. they're trying to do it with saudi arabia hosting middle eastern leaders for talks today ahead of a bigger summit in cairo next month. is that an encouraging development in your view? >> well, you know, this is what the president said that he was trying to achieve is to get the arab leaders talking and to get
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a plan on the table. and, you know, although on the one hand, president trump has talked about his plan for gaza in very real specific terms, as though he really does intend to redevelop the gaza strip and make it possibly into some kind of a tourist destination or a real estate development. but his aides have kind of promoted a softer line on this, which is to say that the goal here is really just to get arab states to come forward with a plan of their own to move this process forward. but, you know, that's something that's been happening for a while. if it was easy, the biden administration, you know, would have been able to pull it off because the biden administration really wanted a solution like this to this problem. so the so yes, the fact that the arab states are talking is good, but they've been talking for a long time and the problems are still enormous. someone's got to pony up tens of billions of dollars to reconstruct gaza. you have to figure out what you're going to do about hamas. are you going to get them out of there? what are
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you going to do about the palestinian people who are in gaza? when you do the reconstruction, is there anywhere you're going to move them to? is that even legal? there's still so many questions that i just don't think we're anywhere near a breakthrough on this really difficult question. >> yeah. getting those talks to ensure action is extremely difficult. michael crowley, thank you for joining us. coming up, one senator's push to thaw the federal hiring freeze for firefighters. what made the cut in the ten hour vote a rama that could make or break the trump could make or break the trump agenda? dexcom g7 sends your glucose numbers to your phone and watch, so you can always see where you're heading without fingersticks. dexcom g7 is the most accurate cgm, so you can manage your diabetes with confidence. ♪♪ shopify's point of sale system helps you sell at every stage of your business. with fast and secure payment. card readers you can rely on. and one place to manage it all. whatever the stage, businesses that grow grow
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>> second opinion? >> hey. >> download the app. >> prize picks run your game. >> following some more breaking news. now, leaders of the proud boys who are now free after president donald trump's massive january 6th pardons, just made a major announcement. steps from the site of the capitol insurrection that they participated in, or at least some of them. i want to bring in nbc news justice reporter ryan riley. i understand that the proud, proud boys leader made that announcement and then ended up in handcuffs. talk to us about what happened. >> yeah, we're figuring out exactly what this. >> interaction was, but apparently it. >> had. >> to do something with an. >> interaction between him and a counter-protester. >> but my our colleague owen hayes got. >> an image. >> and. >> some video. >> that we just got of. >> enrique tarrio. >> in the custody of the capitol police there. you know, you see him at the press conference there just a few moments ago. initially, they were closer to the capitol. i first saw them. they gathered, actually at the first breach point on the west
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front, where some of the most violence took place. they walked up and chanted, whose house? our house? the same chant that they chanted on january 6th. and then they proceeded to the east side of the u.s. capitol. originally, they set up right on, sort of. >> on the grounds of the. >> capitol, in sort of in the. center of a staging area there. but the capitol police said that they couldn't set up there. so they ended up sort of staging a little bit further away from the capitol, but still sort of on the capitol grounds, basically in between the supreme court and the capitol. and you also see a number of the defendants who were there, including stewart rhodes, who's now who you see at the microphone there. this is a number of defendants, including defendants who violently assaulted officers on january 6th itself, as well as other high profile defendants, including members of the proud boys, including one who smashed a window that led to the first breach of the capitol on january 6th. so just an oddity in a lot of conflicts between counterprotesters and members of the proud boys and oath keepers, sort of yelling back and forth, and the counterprotesters essentially trying to drown out
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the message, telling members of the media not to platform people that they described as nazis. >> ryan reilly, thank you for the reporting. and last night, senator adam schiff forced a vote to exempt firefighters from the hiring freeze and appeared live on this network as that count was tallied. >> if you can believe. >> this. >> even as. we've just. gone through these cataclysmic. fires in california. >> and are. >> about to start a new fire season, these firefighters who were bravely out there battling the flames are getting a letter from donald trump that says, please quit. we'll see whether the republicans are willing to stand up to trump on even something as basic as that. >> that amendment was ultimately shot down by schiff's gop colleagues, failing 52 to 48. nbc's melanie zanona is reporting from capitol hill. mel, this was all part of a ten hour vote a rama. sounds fun. actually is not in practice. break that down for us. what did we see? >> yeah. so this is just the
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very first step. what's going to be a very long process to actually unlock president donald trump's agenda here on capitol hill? because republicans are trying to use this complex process called reconciliation, which ultimately will allow senators to just pass bills over in the senate with a simple majority. that's going to help them, obviously, because they don't have 60 republican senators over there right now. but first, they need to pass a budget. so that is what they attempted to do last night. but because they're using this unusual process, they are allowed to offer an unlimited amount of amendments. senators on both sides of the aisle. so for democrats, they really use this as an opportunity to try to force republicans to take politically tough votes, to try to divide republicans. and on that front, they were successful in some instances. for example, one of the amendments that was offered would have prohibited tax breaks and tax cuts for the wealthy, if even just a single dollar was cut from medicaid. and in fact, two republicans did cross party lines and vote for that amendment, including susan
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collins and josh hawley. but again, these are mostly messaging amendments. they did pass the budget ultimately, but they still have a long road to go here in the senate, in the house. >> a very long winding. and i'm going to presume a difficult road. melanie zanona, thank you for the update. and coming up after the break, the senate race, four decades in the making, that took just minutes to kick off. who's in, who's out to kick off. who's in, who's out and who's got their eyes on always dry scoop before you run. listen to me, the hot dog diet got me shredded. it's time we listen to science. one a day is formulated with key nutrients to support whole body health. one a day. science that matters. ugh, weeding is the worst. but now, there's spruce: you'll see visible results in 1 hour and dead weeds in 1 day and it's safe for use around people and pets. spruce: the new, hard-working, worry-free weed and grass killer. ♪ it's spruce! ♪ power outages can be unpredictable, inconvenient, and disruptive to your life,
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mcconnell announced his exit from politics, then the race to replace him kicked into high gear, as it always does. minutes after the seven term republican took to the senate floor to say that he would not run for reelection, the jockeying for his seat began. let's bring in eugene daniels, white house correspondent for politico and an msnbc political contributor. joining me here on set is nbc news national politics reporter ben kamisar. ben, first to you, nbc news rights. and when we say that, we mean you that open seats in solidly red or blue states don't come around very often, particularly in kentucky, which has had only four senators since mcconnell won the seat in 1984. so what is this race going to look like? i got to imagine it's going to be crowded. >> no, it's going to be crowded because again, you know, you have all of these republicans that want to go to higher office and they've had nowhere to go recently. and republicans certainly have had a mixed results at the governor's race. so they need this senate race. it's going to hinge on what we
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see. a lot of these races hinge on donald trump, mitch, in mitch mcconnell. they have someone who has represents sort of the old wing of the republican party. so now there is room for this new guard, this pro-trump guard to come in. and you already see the candidates on, on, on the republican side basically trying to one up each other. you know, you've got andy barr coming in, the congressman saying he wants to be an america first. senator, you've got nate morris, a businessman, saying everyone who's there isn't isn't pro-trump enough. and then you've got daniel cameron, the former attorney general who is backed by trump jumping into the race. you know, just moments after mcconnell's speech. so i think the answer to most things in republican politics is the same one here. it's going to be about trump. >> the answer is always trump, especially in these primaries, where many of these candidates are just going to have to try to out-trump each other, even if one of them manages to already get his endorsement. but eugene, long time mcconnell foe, republican senator rick scott of florida, had a brutal assessment of mcconnell's legacy, calling him an establishment washington republican who's, quote, desperately clinging to relevance. how big of a shift
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does this represent for republican politics? and it's notable that scott would be the one to say that eugene, because he has really been a mcconnell antagonist his entire short time in the senate. >> right? yeah. >> he's been a. >> needle in the side of mcconnell for a long time. and i think for mcconnell, he probably is fine with people thinking, thinking of him as kind of this establishment figure for his legacy. right. he spent 40 years in the senate being a leader. on the republican side and kind of all of these different types of machinations that democrats had a lot of issues with, but that had the support of his. party and different presidents at different times. but this is going to change the way that kentuckians look at who they put in this seat. right? is unlikely, maybe, to be someone who is in the same ilk as as a mitch mcconnell. but at the same time, they have a democratic governor, right? so the state is not exactly one that's clear on how tough they want to be and how or how much they want to
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look like a state that is ruby, ruby red and wants to look like donald trump. so, you know, someone like daniel cameron might have a better chance, someone who was an aide to mitch mcconnell than he would have in another red state. >> and it's going to be fascinating to watch mcconnell as he charts his own legacy, even as this primary battle continues to take his seat. eugene daniels and ben kamisar, thank you both. that does it for us this hour. christina ruffini us this hour. christina ruffini picks up our coverage on kat ♪♪ sonya earlene and marcia are among the thousands of real women living with metastatic breast cancer; doing what they love. and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for adults with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole alone. ibrance may cause low white blood cell counts that may lead to serious infections. ibrance may cause severe inflammation of the lungs. both of these can lead to death.
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