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1-800-403-7539. that's 1-800-403-7539. >> good afternoon. good to be with you. i'm christina ruffini in today for katy tur. despite some pushback from within the republican party, president trump isn't letting up on. >> his. >> attacks against ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky. just hours ago, at a meeting of the national governors association, trump accused zelensky of talking tough without the leverage needed to win the war against russia. now, according to the new york times,

that criticism runs counter to what secretary of state marco rubio is telling european allies, sources tell the times rubio has been assuring leaders that nothing has changed, that the us-russia talks about the future of ukraine did not represent a significant departure from american policies, but rather a first step in a larger process a test of whether the kremlin is serious about making a deal. so who are the allies to believe what they hear from the secretary rubio, or from trump's special envoy to ukraine, who just today called zelensky a, quote, courageous leader of a nation at war, or from the president himself who continues to falsely call zelensky a dictator. the times is also reporting that canada was forced to revise a g7 statement meant to mark the third anniversary of russia's invasion. the u.s. reportedly sought to remove all references that could be interpreted as being pro ukraine, and asked that any suggestion that russia was the aggressor in the conflict be scrubbed. now. that's according to four senior officials involved in crafting the document, a process that,

needless to say, is ongoing. meanwhile, president trump remains preoccupied with another deal entirely, and that's the push to get ukraine to hand over 50% of its rare earth minerals. it's an arrangement ukrainian president zelensky has already rejected. but this morning, white house national security adviser mike wallace claimed in remarks at cpac that ukraine would eventually agree to what many ukrainians see as essentially a geopolitical shakedown. >> here's the bottom line president zelensky is going to sign that deal, and you will see that in the very short term. >> meanwhile, the bombs keep falling in ukraine. joining us now we have nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett hake and washington post lead global security analyst josh rogin. thank you both for joining us. garrett, i want to start with you. okay. you've got steve witkoff in ukraine saying supportive things about zelensky's character. you've got

trump calling him a failed comedian and a dictator, and rubio reportedly telling allies not to worry about it. nothing has changed. who speaks for this administration and does anything anyone says other than trump even really matter at this point? >> christina, i think it's possible that all of these things are at least a little bit true. but one thing we have learned about donald trump through his time in the public space is that he sees himself as the master negotiator and the person whose word is final when it comes to matters of foreign policy. and i think that's the case here. i think it's become increasingly clear that we are basically jogging in place diplomatically until there is a meeting between vladimir putin and president trump. at least the president, i think, believes that that will be how this ultimately gets solved. i also think this rare earth mineral deal, which zelensky had initially rejected but appears to still be on the table in some form for the ukrainians, is a very key part of the president's thinking. until then, you're going to see him making sort of confusing, open ended comments about ukraine like these to a

group of governors just a short time ago. listen. >> they have young soldiers being killed thousands a week, and we got to get it over with. it's bad for russia and it's bad for ukraine, and it's bad for us on a humanitarian basis. i have had very good talks with putin, and i've had not such good talks with ukraine, and they don't have any cards, but they play it tough. but we're not we're not going to let this continue. this, this war is terrible. it would have never happened if i were president. but it did happen. so i got stuck with it and the whole world is stuck with it. >> here. >> at least on that point. christina, the president has been consistent going all the way back through the campaign when we would ask him time and again what his plans were to end the war, as he promised to do on day one. obviously, that's now come and gone. he would only say that it would never have started under his watch. here we are, 30 days into that watch and still not much real clarity on on the endgame here. >> all right, garrett, thank you

so much. josh, i want to turn to you because nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel spoke to a ukrainian soldier about the effect the trump administration's rhetoric is having on the front lines. let's take a listen. >> critics have said that president trump is exploiting ukraine, is taking advantage of its position right now in order to extract resources. you as someone who's fought for this country so much, what do you think about that? between two evils, you have to pick the better one, he says. if i have to choose between the united states and the possibility that russia will take over our country, i pick the united states. >> all right. so, josh, if zelenskyy signs this deal and does in fact give trump what he wants, is there enough of a guarantee that ukraine will get what it wants? and that's long term protection from russia. >> right. >> well, i think what. >> you're. >> seeing from. >> that interview and from the reactions. >> of ukrainians is that. deal or no deal, they're.

>> not. >> about to surrender to russia. >> and the. >> problem with. >> any shakedown for protection, which is what this is. >> is that if you don't offer. >> the protection, then why would. >> people pay the shakedown money? and that was zelensky's point. >> when you and i, kristina, were in munich, he. >> told a bunch of senators and congressmen, listen. >> we're not opposed. >> to a deal to. >> hand over half of our. >> mineral wealth, which. they probably need to rebuild the country. but set that aside. we're opposed to. >> doing it for nothing. >> in exchange. >> and that's the problem. >> is that without. >> the security. >> guarantees, they have no incentive to pay the extortion. and even after they. >> pay, they're not really. >> 100% sure. but the bottom line is that the ukrainians are going to keep fighting with or without us. they might do worse without. >> us, but they're not going to. >> surrender just because trump. >> says so. >> now, anybody who's spent time there knows that ukrainians do not give up easily. josh, i also want to ask you, when it came to the ceasefire in gaza, look, leaders i spoke to on all sides

of the political spectrum, from europe to the middle east to the u.s. actually all agreed that trump was, in fact, the only person who could force that deal at that time. the white house is making the same argument about a deal in ukraine. is it true, or are these negotiations different? and the and the same rationale doesn't really apply? >> yeah, i think these. >> are two distinct situations. first of all, trump is not the only person who could force a ceasefire in gaza. there was a cease. fire before temporarily and when trump wasn't president. so obviously he's not. >> the only one that can do it. >> but setting. >> that aside, the cease fire in ukraine is. something that i. think he can apply a lot of pressure. to setting in place. but that's exactly what vladimir putin wants. he wants a ceasefire with no plan for what happens next. >> to allow him to. >> regroup so that he can start the war again on a better footing. and of course, ukrainians know that. so, yeah, there's an amount of pressure that the that the trump administration can apply on the ukrainians to get the fighting to stop for a moment. but what

they say is that they want a ceasefire that lasts. and in order to do that, they'll have to pressure the russians as well. and we just don't see any evidence of that at all. and that's a big problem. >> all right. josh rogan, thank you both for joining us and joining us. now we have national security analyst and former executive director of defense one kevin baron. okay, kevin, in addition to that reporting that we just heard that, you know, the us is opposing a g7 statement that kind of essentially states the facts as we know them. we've also learned the us is declining to co-sponsor a us draft resolution resolution affirming ukraine's territorial integrity on the third anniversary of the russian invasion. that's pretty significant. what is your take on that, and what is the danger in in disagreeing with the rest of the alliance when it comes to something as basic as a statement? >> well. and just like everything else we're seeing from trump, it sounds like they're doing everything they can to soften the road for the russians and bring them in to the negotiation that they want,

no matter what it takes. i mean, these are pretty basic level statements and concessions that are, you know, diplo speak. this is this reminds me of like cold war days and, you know, should the table be a triangle or a rectangle? meanwhile, you know, people are fighting and dying out in ukraine and there's real there's a real geopolitical shift happening that just seems to be the white house either doesn't care about or, you know, doesn't see coming. >> i mean, but diplomats always quibble about verbiage or language or flag size or table settings. this feels a little bit more significant because this shouldn't have been and wouldn't have been six months ago at all. a controversial statement. >> oh no, it's beyond the pale. it's ridiculous. of course, russia is the aggressor. of course putin is the dictator. of course those are the bad guys and the ukrainians are the good guys, there's no doubt about that. so, you know, forgive me not to not to soften any of this. right. it's unbelievable that the white house is taking this position. it's not unbelievable that trump is taking this position. he wants to pull putin in and have that moment that his version of helsinki all over again,

whatever you want to call it, thinking, even if you believe what rubio says, look, this is just round one. we're just bringing them in and listen to kellogg and what he's telling the ■allies. yo know, the us is still going to defend europe. the us is still going to defend nato. this is just our way to get things started. i think just nobody believes it. i heard you say in the last segment, nobody knows who to believe when it comes to anything this administration says, unless it comes from trump's lips himself. >> well. >> it's also putting republicans in a really difficult position. even republicans who do support the president. senator thom tillis had some strong words for the trump administration. i think we've got that sound for you here. >> i support. >> president trump, and i believe that most of his policies on national security are right. i believe his instincts are pretty good. but what i'm telling you, whoever believes that there is any space for vladimir putin and the future of a stable globe, better go to ukraine. they better go to europe. they better invest the time to understand that this man

is a cancer and the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime. so, ladies and gentlemen, when i tell you that vladimir putin is a liar, a murderer, and a man responsible for ordering the systematic torture, kidnaping and rape of innocent civilians, believe me, because the evidence is mile high. >> i mean, that's you were apologizing earlier for not being subtle. that's not subtle. and he's one of the few republicans who seems to be holding the line against russian aggression. it's even caught some of our allies off guard. does europe have options here? if it wants to see ukraine succeed? >> yeah. >> but hang on, you know, i don't give him that much credit. look, he just said, believe me, in the same speech where he started off saying, i think trump has good national security instincts. and i don't think tillis has voted to stop any of trump's nominees that have gone through like tulsi gabbard, like hegseth, rubio or anybody else. but that's significant. >> because you're getting people who did back him on those

candidates. now speaking out a little bit about what they disagree. >> but we all know what trump thought about russia. we all knew what trump thought about ukraine. and he let he likes one and doesn't like the other. so we knew this was coming. so it seems a little disingenuous for the senator to go, yeah, but look at how bad putin is when you supported trump the whole time. so i think the senate gop has an enormous credibility problem. and, you know, senator wicker and everybody else on the armed services committee coming out of especially munich, suddenly remembering that they care about european security and they care about the war in ukraine when they knew fully that this is what the trump administration was going to push for. >> all right. we're going to have to leave it there. thank you so much, kevin baron. we've got some breaking news out of new york city. luigi mangione, the accused killer of united health care ceo brian thompson, has left his status hearing just here in the last hour. he was in and out in only 20 or so minutes, flanked by police officers and wearing a bulletproof vest. the next hearing on the motions will be held on june 26th. coming up, what president trump just said to a governor who is refusing to

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that? >> complying with state and federal laws? >> well, we are the federal law. well, you better do it. you better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't. and by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, although i did very well there, your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports. so you better come. you better comply because otherwise you're not getting any any federal funding. every state. good. i'll see you in court. i look forward to that. that should be a real easy one. and enjoy your life after governor. because i don't think you'll be in elected politics. >> i'll see you in court. a tense moment at the white house earlier. that was president trump sparring with maine governor janet mills over trump's executive order banning transgender athletes from participating in women's sports. in a statement, governor mills later said, quote, if the president attempts to unilaterally deprive maine school children of the benefit of federal funding, my administration and the attorney general will take all appropriate and necessary legal

action to restore that funding and the academic opportunity it provides. the state of maine will not be intimidated by the president's threats. all right. joining us now we have nbc news capitol hill correspondent melanie zanona and staff writer for the atlantic and msnbc political analyst here with me on set, ashley parker. ashley, i know that our bar for remarkable just keeps getting higher. but that was a pretty remarkable clash. and it could have serious repercussions for the state of maine. how are governors politicians having to navigate standing their ground, but also dealing with the president, who can really impact their ability to do things in their jurisdiction? right. >> well, in some. >> way, what. >> you're seeing is. a partizan split, right? >> if you are a democratic. >> governor, democratic senator. >> you are more willing to openly clash with the president. to me, what's more fascinating in certain ways is what you see on the republican side, where a lot of these d.o.j. cuts, where the attitude is sort of break

things and put the shards back together after the fact, maybe if necessary, which might. >> work at a startup, but maybe not at the federal government. >> and not even always at a startup. but again, for these republicans there, they're still unwilling to really challenge their president. they will sort of say, we agree with all the cuts, but we would just like some funding for nih and alabama, right? or we agree with everything. but you must have made a mistake because this cut actually hurts our rural farmers. so they're sort of asking they're still abdicating a lot of the powers that congress has, such as the power of the purse. but they're kind of, at this point, at least, politely asking for a little cut outs. all right, melanie. >> i want to change topics just a little bit, but it's definitely related and turn to a clash of a different sort. and that's with republican congressman rich mccormick. he kind of faced off against this angry crowd of constituents yesterday. let's take a quick listen.

>> i understand. >> trying to do more. >> with less. that's reasonable. what's not reasonable. >> is taking this. >> chainsaw approach. >> why is this being. >> jammed down. >> the pipe? >> so rush and sloppily, the people would like to know who good. congressmen and your. >> fellow congressmen. >> are going to do to rein in the megalomaniac in the white % >> i just came back from overseas. and the question i kept getting from european leaders is, why aren't people angry about this? why aren't people protesting? we're starting to see a little bit of that. our other congressional republicans, facing similar backlash over these doge cuts. >> yeah, mccormick is actually not alone. there were a number of house republicans who were confronted by angry constituents at town halls all across the country this week. that includes cliff bentz. he is a congressman from oregon. he represents a safe red seat, just like mccormick does, but he also represents a sizable share of the population that is on either

medicaid or food stamps. and he also represents a number of federal workers, because in oregon, particularly, particularly in that region, there are a lot of federal workers, there's a lot of public land, there's a lot of united states forest service. and those are the workers that were among the layoffs because of doge. and so as these cuts are starting to hit home, as the impacts are starting to be felt, and as these republicans were back in their districts for the first time this week in a while, republicans are really starting to feel the heat. but for them, it is quite a conundrum because on the one hand, obviously they want to protect their constituents who are federal workers. those are the people that elected them to congress in the first place. but at the same time, they don't want to be seen as disloyal to president donald trump or to elon musk. so that is what we're seeing playing out in a lot of these town halls across the country right now. >> and, ashley, speaking of elon musk, you've got a new piece in the atlantic that kind of delves into these young musk acolytes, the guys making these job cuts,

essentially. did you uncover any methodology behind how they're choosing these layoffs other than point click delete? >> well, what's interesting is, you know, in some ways, certain things we wrote about would be a comedy of errors were it not for people's jobs and livelihoods being at stake. right. so, for instance, at the department of energy, they come in, they the department of energy workers, they get an email saying the court has ruled this deferred buyout can go on. this email comes in at 718 and it says you have until midnight to make a choice. then at 8 p.m, while an energy department employee is on the phone with his colleagues and they're all desperately deliberating over, do we take this? do we not take this? what does it mean for our income, for our families? they get another email that says, oh, whoops. actually, the window closed at 720. so that's two minutes after the first email went out. ultimately, the offer did extend until midnight. but again, it just shows you that there is not so much of a clear method to the

madness. and in part that's because, you know, elon's view is that if you sort of can control the computers, you can control the federal government. but every agency has different computer systems. some agencies have multiple bits of code dating back decades. so even if they do, for instance, master something at treasury or figure out something at cfpb, they cannot then just sort of superimpose it across the government. so they are going in afresh every time. and melanie, also. >> elon musk related i want to ask you about last night. he brandished a bejeweled chainsaw at cpac, courtesy of the argentine president javier mallet. is it possible this is getting a little too weird, even for some maga supporters? or is the base still into it? are they still showing up for the show? >> i was in the crowd actually, for that moment, and i got to tell you, the crowd was eating it up. in fact, elon musk's appearance on the stage was the most attended of the entire day. there was a number of speakers and the room was absolutely

packed. there was cheers. people were on their feet. everyone had their cell phones out taking pictures. and so i do think this is the new republican party. and when it comes to cpac, this is a conservative conference that happens every year in a suburb not too far from dc. this used to be a gathering for the entire republican party, for all corners of the gop, the big tent party. but in recent years, it has become increasingly aligned with donald trump and the maga movement. and i think you saw that on full display with elon musk and his chainsaw. >> all right, melanie zanona, ashley parker, thank you so much for joining us. we're going to turn now to new york, where the federal judge in the eric adams case has decided not to dismiss the case as the trump administration requested, at least for now. he has canceled the jury trial scheduled for april. joining us now, we've got lisa rubin. she's msnbc legal correspondent. all right. lisa, i don't quite understand what this means. is it just delayed indefinitely or is it delayed until he makes a decision? please explain this. i'm very confused, christina.

>> it's somewhere in between the two. it's delayed indefinitely until he makes a decision. so he has called off, as you noted, that april 21st trial date. he's also called off any deadlines in the pretrial schedule. and instead, what he's done is essentially say to all involved, i need some more information and the kind of information i need is adversarial. everybody who's already been before me agrees that the case should be dismissed. i need to hear from somebody who might have a different view of what's required from me as the judge. according to the federal rules of criminal procedure. and therefore, i'm asking for briefs by march 7th with six specific questions that i'm going to ask to all involved. and i'll also welcome submissions from anybody who considers themselves a friend of the court. i, of course, still get to decide whether i accept those or not. and in the meantime, the judge has appointed a former solicitor general of the united states, one of the best known supreme court advocates in the country, and a very conservative one at that. paul clement, as the court

appointed here, he's basically appointed paul clement to stand in the shoes of the former federal prosecutors and answer those six questions for him, which include, can he look at materials outside the motion that the department of justice put before him? if he grants the motion, on what basis is he supposed to do that? and if he denies the motion to dismiss, does he still have to dismiss the indictment for other reasons? and so judge ho essentially saying, i still need more information. hold up, everyone. >> all right. standing by to stand by lisa rubin, thank you so much for breaking that down. and still ahead, the biden era policy just got overturned by the department of justice and what its removal could mean for public safety. plus, we're learning new details about a mother and two sons taken hostage by hamas, what the israeli military is saying now about their deaths. >> oh, i hate these things. that's one of the. >> great things about consumer

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concepts. but a lot of people are greeting this as a sort of a setback for transparency and a sign that the trump administration is not as interested in policing the police. christina. >> i also want to ask you, you know, fresh on the job today. you've got some new reporting on kash patel's actions over at the fbi. what's he doing? >> yeah. that's right. it shouldn't be that surprising that kash patel has ordered a thousand fbi agents who currently work at headquarters into the field, and another 500 fbi personnel will be moving from headquarters to the fbi's facility in huntsville, alabama. and look, this is not unprecedented. when louis freeh became the fbi director in 1993, he redeployed some supervisory agents from headquarters to the field. but this is a big, big move. it's going to affect a lot of people with spouses who work and families in the d.c. area. but, you know, kash patel at one point said he was going to close headquarters and turn it into what he called a museum of the deep state. he's not doing that,

but he is redeploying fbi agents from headquarters into the field. and just so you get an idea of the context, there's around 7300 fbi agents assigned to headquarters. so this is a significant percentage of them that he is now ordering quickly to move into the field. christina. >> yeah. and it's not as easy. i mean, most of these officers agents have families, kids in school, things like that. it's going to be some hard choices. all right, ken dilanian, thank you so much for joining us. we want to turn now to former assistant director for counterterrorism at the fbi and msnbc senior national security analyst, frank figliuzzi. okay, frank. so what is your reaction? we're talking a little bit before you came on about what? we were just talking about 1000 people at fbi headquarters being reassigned rather quickly. >> yeah. it's a grand gesture to fulfill. >> what has been a. >> promise of patel's. >> i'm going to. >> drastically reduce the headquarters component. the problem is, my sources are telling me there's. no logic here. in other words, the. >> people don't know where they're going. >> they're not even sure. >> if it's them. >> that's going to be named in

this. >> there's more details coming. >> there's not like a rhyme or reason to what departments, what roles. there's been. >> apparently no thought about. hey, cleveland needs more agents. maybe we'll send two there. there's. >> there's nothing. >> like that going on right now. so premature with regard. >> to. >> the huntsville, alabama location. >> there's a couple of congressmen. who've been banging. >> the desk about. >> getting people to. >> huntsville into their territory. >> that's what that's about. >> so you're hearing some of these agents are going to be reassigned from washington, d.c. huntsville, alabama. >> mostly be. >> non-agent support. >> professional support. >> analysts. non-agent functions. >> that really. >> you could do from anywhere. >> but again, as you mentioned, the disruption to families. >> big deal. >> i also want to ask you about what we were just talking about, this police database, this doj database. you know, it came from law enforcement who said there was there was criticism from law enforcement that said they didn't like it because they weren't given a chance to defend themselves. what's your take on that? were there problems with this database and should it still exist? >> so what the. >> claims have been is. >> look, our. >> name got in this database.

>> because but there's been no. >> due process. i was. >> fired wrongly. >> no one's looked. into this. there's minor offenses that are in the database, and there's serious misuse of force cases. >> the problem. >> is. >> it's all. >> gone now. >> and so if a federal. >> officer who's. >> been disciplined wants to kind of go around and find a way to get employed. >> somewhere. >> no one has a real way to find out what. >> that officer's background was. >> but this database has only existed for a few years. how are they tracking this before, or were they just not tracking it? >> good question. >> they were. >> not tracking this before and in fact, you know. no. >> and so. >> officers, bad. >> officers could move around the country. >> even within their own state, and not necessarily have anyone know what their history was. what i'm concerned. >> about. >> is what does this mean from a larger sense? does it mean the trump administration won't be opening cases against bad cops, won't be working civil rights and excessive use of force cases? do they care anymore? that remains to be seen. >> so what accountability backstops are there at state or

local jurisdictions to prevent some of the things we've just been talking about, to track bad cops and make sure they're not getting rehired? >> it is continually. >> shocking to me. >> that there's not enough tracking taking place even within the same state. so there's got to be more money spent on vetting an officer candidate, particularly coming from some other department. why did you leave? let's pull the file. let's go. go over that. there was talk of a national police database just like this federal one that's been eliminated. and that now seems to be falling by the wayside. >> well, that's my next question is, do you see or foresee a ripple effect going through doj with this decision about other police reforms, about other law enforcement reforms? >> yeah, i think this is a signal. this is how i see it. if you've deliberately got the president saying, i want that database to go away. and it was his idea in the first place during his last term, then that's not a mistake. doj's making. that's a decision that donald trump is making. >> any other things stand out to you about this database or about what you've been seeing at the fbi, at the doj that really concern you?

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earth. nothing will stop me. nothing. >> and up to this point, these hostage releases have been going fairly smoothly. according to the agreement. this was different. you know, these these coffins of these kids were paraded through the street. there were cameras circling them. it's really upset people in israel. and i'm wondering, do you think there's a possibility this incident could jeopardize the ceasefire that is in place? >> you know. >> as grim and as ghoulish as this. >> has been. >> and remember. >> all of the releases. >> have been accompanied by. >> extraordinarily. >> extraordinarily insensitive. almost ghoulish propaganda displays. hostages forced. >> to apologize and praise their captors. i think, frankly, that tomorrow there's an expectation and anticipation that the remaining six hostages will be returned, probably in two different locations in gaza, and that will bring to an end, with

the exception of returning the body of. abbas. all of the hostages that were due, according to the agreement, to be released in six weeks. that's 33 total, eight bodies among them. and then the question, christina, is where do we go from here? and that an extremely going to be an extremely difficult lift, certainly for the remaining hostages, those that are alive and dead and also for the civilian population of gaza, because there's a high, high probability that sooner rather than later the war is going to resume. >> well, that's what i was going to ask you. i mean, they're running out of road a little bit here because we're reaching the end of this first phase and they haven't built or agreed to the second phase. the other thing is, is as horrifying and ghoulish as you said, as those images were today, the israeli population doesn't seem to want to undo the ceasefire. so what options does netanyahu have and where do you foresee this going?

>> yeah, i mean, it's a really good question. i think the israeli public is caught between their desire to redeem the living and to avenge the dead. and what you heard in the prime minister's remarks was a little bit of both. look, i think, frankly, and i say this with great reluctance, that the current israeli government is going to prioritize the. attacks against hamas with an effort to undermine and diminish, if not end, its influence in gaza over the return of the hostages. i don't think that the israelis can have both. and i think the way to split the difference going forward is going to be an extension of the first phase, that is to say, hamas and israel may well agree, even though the first phase is now over and negotiations are supposed to

begin on the second to continue returning small numbers of hostages for asymmetrical number of palestinian prisoners and the continuation of humanitarian assistance in gaza. i think that is one way to get more hostages out. but christina, getting them all out is going to mean an end to the war and the withdrawal of all of israeli forces from gaza. i don't think this current israeli government, or frankly, any israeli government would be willing to agree to that. and i don't think unless they do agree, hamas will return the both the live and the dead hostages that they that that that they now have. >> well, that was one of the big issues. even getting to a ceasefire negotiation was netanyahu saying over and over again, this war won't be over until we have completely eradicated hamas. but hamas is almost an idea more than it is, you know, a physical force. and that's a that's a very amorphous

goal that can be molded depending on the will of the prime minister. i also want to ask you very quickly what your take is on this alleged trump plan for gaza and how that's been looming large over everything that's going on. and have you seen any sign from gulf or arab leaders that they're stepping up and trying to come up with their own plan before one gets instituted from the us? >> well, they are going to come up with a plan. there's a summit march 4th in cairo, and they will reveal a plan. but the plan is not going to contain the centerpiece of what the president outlined, which is the removal, forced or voluntary, of the majority of the palestinian population of gaza to some other place while reconstruction occurs, and then those palestinians would not be permitted permitted back. look that that plan the most charitable interpretation and i'm hesitant even to provide one is to push the arab states to assume greater responsibility for gaza. but let's be clear that plan tethers the united

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number of seats. right. i want to know, what do you think is driving the surge in population in popularity? i just got back from munich this week and while i was there, i think i took about seven cabs and of the seven, two were openly very supportive of this party. one driver telling me, oh yes, this is germany's last, best hope. >> yeah. >> so, christina, statistically that about lines with what we're seeing in the public polls, they're finding that about 1 in 5 germans are likely to vote for the afd. they're going to come second, according to these polls. they are going to be the largest party, the largest opposition party in the german parliament. and that is really a political earthquake in the history of democratic postwar germany. we have never seen the far right doing this. well, what is surging that support? number of issues. as you can imagine, the economy here is in bad shape. germany has been in recession for two years. immigration major hot topic issue. you remember ten years

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