>> a man who beat that? eugene craig. who won the week. >> listen. well, my book. erica claudio, the chair and founder of my body pac black women, led us this last cycle and lead us this next cycle. and she's the tip of the spear, charging the resistance. young black women taking lead with my body. pac. >> okay, both of you guys picked women. so let me go and help out the men. i'm going to pick the men of the canadian national hockey team who won the four nation games. justin trudeau tweeted at trump and got back his dignity against that man. trying to say that the 51st state. no they're not. they're the first state when it comes to canada. you can't take our country. you can't take our game. oh, canada. wajahat ali eugene i'm penny davis, honey, watch out. eugene. craig. thank you. that is tonight's reidout indeed. all in with jen psaki starts now.

>> okay everyone. >> it's friday. >> i'm jen psaki chris is taking some well-deserved time off. he's going to be back next week i promise you. and i know it's been a week. it's been a week for all of us. but there is still a lot happening tonight. trump just fired minutes ago on truth social. we just saw the post. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. we're going to learn more about what we can learn about how that happened, who he's nominated next from a reporter who covers the pentagon and has great sources. they're going to talk to her in just a moment. trump is also taking a wrecking ball to the postal service and donald trump's brand new conspiracy theorist, fbi director. you know, the one i'm talking about is already throwing the bureau into complete chaos on his first day. we're going to get to all of that and most importantly, what it means for you. but we're going to begin tonight with the groundswell of outrage at the dismantling of the federal government. now, i mean, to be fair, if all you listen to is the bragging of donald trump and elon musk and their maga allies

on fox, newsmax and cpac and wherever else all these people listen to things about them, talking about how great everything is going with doge and their mission to bring a chainsaw to the federal government. you might think for a moment, well, maybe this is going well for trump. maybe this is he's delivering on his plans, maybe people like this. but in my many, many years in politics, one of the things i've found is that there is nothing like a congressional recess where members go home to their districts to give you a very good sense of exactly how things are actually going. i mean, just ask congressman rich mccormick. he's a pretty run of the mill republican member. he represents a red district in georgia, which he won by 30 points, by the way, in november. he's probably not someone you'd see making the rounds on maga tv every single day, pushing trump's talking points. i don't even know. and i've lived here for a long time, that i could even pick him out of a republican lineup. and yet,

despite being relatively anonymous on the national stage and holding what seems to be a pretty safe republican seat for congress, congressman mccormick was not exactly welcomed home at a town hall meeting in roswell, georgia, last night. >> you can go and yell if you want. i can't understand ten people, let alone. >> 100. >> people, they said, georgia, budget, not the president, and you are doing us a disservice to set that down and not stand up for us. and. we all said a. >> lot of. >> stuff will be. >> litigated for. there you go. now here's your now you. indicating you don't think i'm gonna stand up for you. stand up right away. what do we have?

>> you know. >> if we're going to have a town hall and. >> i'm gonna. >> come and stand in front of you. and take take your questions. >> and try to answer them. >> as. >> honestly as i can. then then let's do that. okay. but but if you're going to. yell at me, that's not going to be an effective. >> now, multiple attendees specifically took issue with musk's so-called chainsaw approach at doge. >> i want to say for. >> from a. >> conservative perspective. >> the approach of. doge is. >> completely 180 degrees. they've been. >> indiscriminate and they've taken a chainsaw. >> to these things. >> i understand trying to do more with less. that's reasonable. what's not reasonable is taking this chainsaw approach. why is this being jammed down the. pipe so rushed and sloppily? >> now, the repeated use of chainsaw does kind of make you wonder if they saw this at cpac

yesterday and thought it was as weird as we did. >> all. >> this is the chainsaw for bureaucracy. >> or ooh ooh. >> that's perfect. all right. >> as the nbc affiliate in atlanta reports, there were so many folks in the attendance ready to give mccormick a piece of their mind. the venue actually ran out of room. >> there were a couple hundred people who came out here tonight filling council chambers. then the rest filled up overflow rooms inside city hall. it was standing room only, dozens of people, in fact, who showed up here on this very cold night were actually turned away because, again, there were too many people inside city hall.

>> now, what happened in roswell, georgia, that we've just seen footage of was the result of a combination of things and intentional grassroots organizing effort and regular, everyday folks who were just fed up with what trump and musk are doing. it was not an isolated incident, either. i mean, just this morning, republican congressman glenn grothman of wisconsin got an earful from his constituents near oshkosh. >> that elon. >> musk is there. >> he will be. able to. raise questions. and because. >> of his. >> fame and financial success. >> i think all of a sudden. >> he is going. >> oh. >> he is. >> going to be. >> able to force. >> congress to look. >> at. >> things like aircraft. >> carriers, okay. which. come wouldn't do otherwise. >> okay. >> for now. >> obviously president. >> trump has issued a lot of executive orders. >> i think by. >> and large. >> this is. >> moving very quickly compared

to other administrations. >> and i think. >> across the board. >> he's done some very good. >> things, i think. >> oh come on. >> i mean there was a lot packed in there. there was laughing as he tried to explain elon musk's effectiveness and power. there was booing. there was a lot of a lot of response in there as one way to say it. but here's the larger point. i mean, similar scenes played out at republican town halls in west bend, wisconsin and baker city, oregon. and in some ways, it reminded me a little bit of the tea party protests we saw at town halls in 2009 and 2010, which was an early indicator of the republicans sweeping congress. now, there's a long time before that, and there are definitely some clear differences between then and now, because the affordable care act was not sending your grandma to death panels as those tea party protesters claimed. and elon musk is actually openly boasting about what he's doing to the government that people at these town halls are mad about.

but like the start of those 2009 protests, there does seem to be some real grassroots momentum here enough that donald trump had to address it. today, some members of congress in red districts are facing pushback from voters in town halls. we know. >> that about what. >> americans voted for you on the immigration and the economy. but these voters say they're angry and frustrated by these firings. they don't like the work of elon musk. and these other actions. what do you say. >> to that? >> let me just tell you. let me just tell. >> you that. >> i have today the highest poll numbers i've ever had. i have today the highest poll numbers of any republican president ever. they like the job that elon is doing. he's doing something that a lot of people wouldn't have the courage to do. so it's actually just the opposite. we've pulled it and people are thrilled. they can't even believe it's happening. and it won't affect many people. it only affects the people that get caught stealing. >> there is a lot packed in there, but to be clear, he's lying. i mean, these thousands of fired workers were not caught

stealing. that tone is definitely one of a person who's not exactly confident in the actions of the person they are being asked to defend, and for the record, the opposite is actually true about the polls. people don't like what musk and trump are doing. new polls from cnn and gallup and the washington post all have trump with a negative approval rating. and as the washington post notes, americans disapprove by a 2 to 1 margin of musk shutting down federal agencies that he decides are unnecessary. and most 63% are concerned that his team is gaining access to sensitive personal data of individuals for good reason. because they are. now, that doesn't sound very popular to me. it's not popular to you. we're just over a month into the trump administration and one day of uncomfortable town hall meetings definitely does not flip the house to a democratic control in congress next year. but it is a sign that people are mad and that that they may not be. this may not be shaping up to be what they voted for. that's important. greg austin is a political reporter for the

atlanta journal constitution, who was at that georgia town hall meeting last night. michael steele served as chairman of the rnc during the tea party protest, and is now a co-host of the weekend here on msnbc. they both join me now. michael steele, we're going to talk about the tea party in a second. craig, let me start with you, because you were at that town hall and i played some of the footage. obviously, we've used a bunch of your reporting. what did i miss there? paint, paint the scene for us about what it was like there. >> yeah. >> well, two things to remember. one is that this was in roswell, georgia, which is a north fulton county right just north of atlanta. this is not really a conservative hotbed or a liberal hotbed. it used to be a democratic, sorry. it used to be a republican stronghold. it has turned more swingy. and democrats have generally prevailed in that area. but it's part of rich mccormick's more conservative overall district that stretches all the way to the foothills of the appalachian mountains in north georgia. rich mccormick is not really a maga firebrand himself, either. he he actually was one of the few prominent georgia republicans to

endorse ron desantis, rather than donald trump early in the campaign last year. but, of course, just like so many other republicans, he's kind of fallen in line behind donald trump as he became the nominee. but i think that's important to note, because the group here that you see, they weren't sort of initiated by, you know, larger organizations, this was mostly grassroots, bubbled up from from the ground up. and that's what made this so interesting to me as a reporter. also, so many of the attendees in there told me that they were former republicans. they voted for donald trump in some cases or or voted for brian kemp, the republican governor, or voted for nathan deal, the governor before him. so this was not your typical, you know, liberal, left leaning crowd. they were very upset. and in particular, they're upset at the cdc cuts in atlanta because that kind of brought these doge spending initiatives home to georgians. >> yeah, the ones that impact people's services, that impact people's jobs and communities. it's almost so obvious. it's politics. michael, let me ask you, i, you know, town hall

meetings again. it's been a day or a day and a half of town hall meetings. the midterm elections are a long time away, but you've been a part of you know what it's like when members of congress have to go home. either they're going home to friendly districts or they're going, or you're organizing people to go to town hall meetings. what is all what is your takeaway on what we're seeing, which is a bit of a pattern over the last couple of days. >> yeah. >> i appreciate. >> very much the coverage. that we've. >> seen here, because it starts to frame parts of the narrative that are not reflected more broadly. and in your lead, in you touched on that, the storylines, if you're only. watching fox news, for example, you don't know you won't get any of this or this or this district will be cast as, you know, some, you know, crazy pocket of, you know, never-trump republicans not reflecting accurately what it is. and that's one of the important aspects of narrative,

is that when it comes from the media or it comes from, you know, the political class itself, it's one thing. but when it starts to be shaped by everyday citizens who are beginning to realize the impact of government policies and decisions on their life, on their livelihood, on their ability to get government services. this is the result. and we saw this in 2009. i remember my first tea party meeting in the spring of 2009, when 50 representatives came from across the country. and you know what little hair i had at the time? they blew. >> off the. >> top of my head. they were so angry, and it began to set in place. and emotion, storylines. and the important thing for democrats to understand right now is please don't make the leap where you go. oh, look how off people are. let's lean into that. know what you want to do is listen to what these people

are saying, because that's going to tell you what you need to talk about and reflect about more broadly. right? because in those hot red districts, there's a simmering there. trust me, trust me. but, you know, they've got such firm allegiance to trump. they don't want to go sideways, but that simmering is going to be there because everything elon musk and donald trump are doing is hitting them and hitting them harder than it would be for someone in in indiana or wisconsin. so when you get into the. poorer parts of these red districts in appalachia and mississippi and alabama, those storylines begin to be begin to feel very real. then you have to be able to translate that almost in the bill clinton tone. i feel your pain here, and you know where your pain is coming from. it's coming from this president and these policies that are executed by that man who is not elected.

elon musk, and then pivot to how you want to change that narrative for them. you just can't rush into this like you just said, you know, you're a year out from campaigning and all of this. you just can't think that this is somehow going to translate into success next year because it may not. >> it's a very good warning point, greg. i'm looking forward to seeing your reporting from a lot of these different districts. i can't imagine these republicans expected this, but we'll see what happens over the next couple of days. and in the next recess. michael steele, we'll all be watching you tomorrow morning. on the weekend. we'll have a lot more to say about this and many other things. thank you so much for being here with us. still ahead, elon musk has his sights on his next election. it's only about a month away, and the democratic candidate he's targeting will join me live. andrew weissmann is also going to join me and talk about what we need to know about. day one of kash patel's term as fbi director. and we're going to talk about the breaking news from the pentagon. donald trump just fired the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. we're

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trump's joint chiefs chairman, mark milley, until he stepped down at the end of 2023. donald trump decided to buck with that tradition. and i have to say, the optics here don't look great. cq brown was only the second black man to ever hold that position, and he just got fired. amid trump's push to end programs promoting equality in the federal government. he will be replaced by retired three star air force lieutenant general dan cain. courtney kube is a senior nbc news correspondent covering national security and the pentagon. few people know more about what happens in that building than courtney. courtney, what we know at this point is limited amounts of reporting. there's obviously the truth social post from donald trump where he announces he's planning to nominate air force lieutenant general cain. i want to talk to you about that. but first, let me start by just asking you, what do we know about how he fired cq brown? did he call him? is there anything more we've learned about how this took place today? yeah, we. >> know nothing. >> about that, frankly.

>> now we know. >> cq brown was traveling. >> he had a trip to the border, planned for the day for today, and then. >> he was. >> supposed to travel on a little bit more domestically. so we know that trip went on, but beyond that, we just don't know. look, here's. >> the reality. >> we were expecting this to. happen yesterday or today. >> so this isn't. >> a huge surprise. we've been. talking about the possibility of lieutenant general cain to replace the chairman. >> and just. >> given the. pattern of. >> how this has been, the administration has been carrying. >> out these sorts of things. >> we were all sort of expecting this to be on a friday night. that being said, what we've we've gotten here are statements with. >> no additional. >> context to exactly what. >> happened here. >> so we're still working through the details. this is all just breaking. and we've just gotten another statement, actually, from secretary of defense pete hegseth laying out some additional people who were were fired here as well tonight. well, do you do you have that in front of you? do you want to share with us the details of that? or we can also pull it up

too. please, please go ahead. i do, and so i mean there's so much to talk. >> through. >> here. okay. so, so the several of the people who were fired, according now to secretary hegseth, and the way that this has been laid out, i should say, is that they are looking for people to replace these individuals. they're not actually saying they were fired. but the reality is that's what's happening here. so the chief of naval operations, admiral lisa franchetti, why that is an important person to mention here, is she was the first woman to run the navy, the first female chief of naval operations. and critically, now both of the women who were in positions running services service chiefs, that is the commandant of the us coast guard and now the chief of naval operations, have now both been fired by by president donald trump. admiral linda fagan was fired in the very within literally hours of donald trump being inaugurated. and now lisa franchetti in addition to that, the air force vice chief of staff, james slife, also named tonight as being fired. there's

no reason given for these, but the reality is, general slife has been someone who has been has promoted diversity issues within the air force. is known for that. that's candidly, most likely why he was targeted. in addition to that, also several judge advocates general jags were also are also now set to be replaced, according to pete hegseth. but a but a little bit. more on cq brown here. look. >> we have heard. >> from people very close to president trump, including secretary hegseth. he wrote about in his book that he thought general brown should be replaced as the chairman. >> we've also. >> heard from the national security advisor, mike wallace, others who have been very outspoken about this. but we had some reporting back in december that general brown, the chairman, had a good. >> meeting with president trump. >> at the army. >> navy game. >> and the belief was he would have a little bit of time to be in this job. at this point, there is no indication that. anything has happened.

>> from the time. >> president trump was inaugurated, until cq brown was relieved of his job. today, that was merit based. any reason, anything that has happened that has led to this and all indications are that this is the long standing gripes that president. trump and many of the people around him have had with cq brown that have led to this decision tonight. the reality is, cq brown has served honorably for four decades in the us air force. he has thousands of hours as a pilot, as a fighter pilot, and he has served in senior jobs, including the head of the air force in the middle east, in the asia pacific, the air force chief of staff selected for that job by donald trump, i might add. and then now, as the chairman, for just over a year, courtney qb that i know this news is just breaking. i so appreciate you taking the time. i know you're just reporting and trying to find out all the answers. thank you so much for taking the time to join us. thank you. and coming up, we have big changes

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conspiracy theorist with a much publicized enemies list, is now officially in charge of the fbi as of today, and even before he was sworn in this afternoon, he was already making moves inside the bureau. sources told nbc

news that all the support personnel who worked in the fbi director's office were told to pack their desks and leave before patel arrived. and when he did arrive, according to those same sources, fbi employees sealed the director's wing so no one could see him move in and out. then he ordered the redeployment of a thousand fbi agents, moving them from headquarters in d.c. to field offices around the country. and that's just what he did on day one, before kash patel was even confirmed, the trump administration forced out all of the fbi's most senior executives, multiple heads of fbi field offices and prosecutors involved in january 6th. it's a lot to unpack. andrew weissmann is a former general counsel at the fbi and a former federal prosecutor at the doj. he knows a lot about a lot of things, and he joins me now. andrew, let me just start. i mean, it was kash patel, i guess first official day he was sworn in today. you were, of course, at the fbi for a period of time. what do you make of his actions today and where he ended the day?

>> well, let's leave aside some of the bizarre stuff like, you know, no one seeing where he's going. and also. >> just weird. >> sort of craziness of. yeah. and then also getting rid of personnel who were there, the sort of staff people. i mean, those are the people who helped you get your job done and they know the building. so that's one where it's a little bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face. i mean, the other is usually a director who wants to build goodwill. and to have be a leader does at least a little bit of a listening tour. and so the idea that this is, oh, i'm going to lop off a thousand people from headquarters and send them to the field is one where, to me, the alarm bells are one that you're not listening to. the people who may have a very good reason as to why those people are sort of main justice at main headquarters. and so you don't do what we're seeing happen with

the doj's, which is sort of this, you know, going with, you know, hammer and tongs instead of a scalpel. you know, if we were in the building, jan and we were talking about this and someone said, here's the proposal, we would ask all the normal questions about what are they doing now at main headquarters? are they involved in dealing with foreign countries? are they dealing with things that have to be done on a national basis, where they provide support and backbone to the rest of the fbi, so that you have a sort of very tailored, educated assessment of why you are doing this. and none of that has at least been coming forth to justify what's going on. and so all of that to me has a lot of alarm bells. there's it is very reminiscent of the sort of lack of respect of expertise where you don't think that the people who are there are somebody have something to learn from, that there may be a reason that is a good one and good for

the country to have them assigned where they are, and doesn't mean you can't second guess that and have a different view. but the idea that you wouldn't listen to that first is something that is, i think, definitely sort of concern at the very least. >> what are you i mean, you still talk to people working in the fbi. what kind of advice are you giving them? and separately, i guess it's a two part question. what about people who are on his published enemies list? he's now the fbi director. so how should people internally and who maybe his targets be preparing? >> well, i'm used to compound questions. i'm a lawyer, >> so we. >> talk a lot. yeah, so? so i do think with respect to this idea of the enemies list or the target list or just the list on a on a book, i do think that one thing that kash patel has something to learn about is that

people at the bureau are trained to deal with facts and law. and if there's no factual predication, you're going to see a continuation of what you're seeing with lawyers and prosecutors in the field. and at main justice, you're going to see it the same way that many people at the fbi have been pushing back on this idea of rounding up a list of names, just because you simply worked on the january 6th prosecutions, which, by the way, i think emil bove, the acting deputy attorney general, would be on that list. irony of all ironies. and so i think that i'm less worried about his ability to actually get people to violate their oaths of office. and, you know, i think that the issue of what do you say to people, it's, you know, this can be a rough time, but i think ultimately, each person, they know what their responsibilities are. and ultimately, if somebody is asking you to do something that you either just cannot stomach

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expected to issue an executive order as soon as this week to fire the members of the postal service's governing board and place the agency under the control of trump's commerce department, six people familiar with the plan told the washington post. now, the white house initially denied trump had any such plans, but then somebody asked trump himself today and he all but confirmed it. >> we're thinking about doing that, and it will be a form of a merger, but it will remain the postal service, and i think it will operate a lot better than it has been over the years. >> this isn't a new goal for trump, per se. i mean, over the years, he's repeatedly said he's open to privatizing the postal service. and then last month, trump was reportedly looking into replacements for the postmaster general that he appointed in his first term. that's republican megadonor

louis dejoy. now, for years, democrats begged president biden. i was there for a number of these years to fire dejoy. but the biden administration concluded they didn't have the legal power. so why would trump want to fire him now illegally? well, multiple sources close to the president told the post that trump's opinion of dejoy has suffered since the postmaster general led the agency to successfully facilitate mail in voting, including in the 2020 election that trump lost. so basically, he helped millions of americans vote during a once in a century pandemic, including many for trump. so that guy has to go. that's what i think. what seems to be based on. and meanwhile, it would mean messing with a vital service americans rely on. they've relied on it since before the birth of the republic, by the way, because the postmaster didn't help trump rig an election. that's what this is about. now, by the way, louis dejoy had already said he planned to resign, but apparently that wasn't enough for trump. he just wants total control over the us post office, i guess. i'm joined now by mark

dimondstein, the president of the american postal workers union. mark, thank you so much for being here. i had so many questions when i saw the news about this today. the postal service is so popular and i'm sure a lot of people watching have questions. let me just start with we saw what trump said. what are you hearing about what he actually wants to do here? >> well. >> it appears. >> jen, and thanks so much for having me on. it's pretty clear. that this administration wants. to do a hostile takeover of. >> the. >> postal service. >> and what does that mean to privatize it or hostile? >> take it over. >> i think it's. >> the big. first huge step. >> towards privatizing. >> meaning selling the post office, breaking it up, selling it off to private corporations for private profit. and it's really important. for our viewers to understand every one of. >> which who is. >> a postal customer. that. >> this wonderful national treasure, which, by the way. is celebrating its 250th

anniversary this summer. >> it's a lot of years. >> wonderful national treasure enshrined in the constitution, created by an act of congress. >> supported by. >> the people, right? that it belongs to. all of. us and we're getting our pockets picked. if this plan is. >> to go through. >> by billionaire oligarchs who want to turn this wonderful national treasure, who's who runs, you know, we run on the idea of breaking even, even and serving the people, not making a quick buck. we go everywhere to 167 million addresses every day and sort and transport and deliver mail, the people listening. and really, everybody in this country is a postal customer need to be very concerned about this plan. doesn't belong. the post office doesn't belong to one person, whether it's elon musk or a billionaire or an elected person belongs to all of us. >> yeah, we love getting cards in the mail from grandma and all sorts of things. let me play. i mean, you and i don't need to be

in the head of trump, but i think people are trying to figure out why did this happen. let me play a little bit about what he said about that today. >> well, we want to have a post office that works well and doesn't lose massive amounts of money. it's been a just a tremendous loser for this country. tremendous amounts of money are being lost, and we think we can do something that will be very good. >> he also talked about mail in voting. first of all, we know that the postal service provides retirement to federal to workers, right? which is not something other companies do. that's right. that's part of why if they didn't do that, they wouldn't be losing money, am i correct there? >> well look, the. >> the losing money can get complicated. the president's comments imply that this is taxpayer money. it's not the postal service. almost all of it runs off its own revenue. we're not on budget. the postal service is going through a difficult transition. there's no

question that the habits. >> of the. >> people of the country have changed in the way we communicate each other with each other, and certainly letter mail is down, but packages are up. and in that transition, we believe that the post office, while things are changing, is going to be absolutely necessary, popular, needed by the people of the country. and when i talk about the people, i'm not just talking about the individuals, i'm talking about the business community. i'm talking about e-commerce. i'm talking about the democratic right to vote and so on. so it'. it's and, you know, the inflation affected the post office deeply. and last quarter they were in the black. so it's not all gloom and doom by any means. >> well i want to ask you that question because he keeps on throwing out that accusation, which as you just explained, is not exactly an accurate depiction of what's going on with the post office. let me ask you just about this accusation about mail in ballots and voter fraud. i mean, just to state i mean, voter fraud is of all kinds is extremely rare. 35

countries use mail in voting. and in 2020, the post office was one of the ways that millions of americans could vote. do you think that's at the root of this? >> i don't know if it's at the root of it or not, but it's a very good point because that was in the middle of a pandemic. so the postal service, including the managers and of course the workers that we represent that are very dedicated to the mission and the people of the country, we enabled tens of millions of people to safely have access to the ballot box. what could be more cherished than that? safely, securely. and the only fraud that's talking about that really is here is those who claim that vote by mail is fraudulent and not safe. it's been proven to work well. people love it. it's ever more popular, and it's a wonderful underlying reason of why we need a public postal service that can serve everybody. universal service, no matter who we are, where we live. urban, suburban

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1-800-403-7539. that's 1-800-403-7539. the first 100 days. it's a critical time for our country. and rachel maddow is on five nights a week. >> now is the time. so we're going. >> to do it. >> settle in. >> the rachel maddow show weeknights at nine on msnbc.

>> donald trump is defending the mass firings of federal watchdogs. >> our federal. >> government now can discriminate against the citizens of the country. >> we are. >> all. >> watching and waiting. >> to see. >> who is going to hold the line. >> don't miss the weekend, saturday and sunday mornings at 8:00. >> on msnbc. >> so america pac is going to keep going after this election. and preparing for the midterms and any intermediate elections, as well as looking at elections at the district attorney level. >> and. >> you know, basically judicial sort of level. >> so that was the elon musk on election day, seeming to revel in some ways in his ability to use his vast wealth to influence american voters. and now, as we were detailing and discussing last night, he's at it again, spending what i would consider an eye popping amount of money in wisconsin on a local race for the state supreme court. now, in just 39 days, voters are going

to go to the polls to choose between judge susan crawford, who also, i would note, was endorsed by the state democratic party, and judge brad schimel, a hard right maga conservative and an ally of donald trump. the winner of that will serve a ten year term and then decide on a range of important issues that impact people across the state of wisconsin and also define the ideological makeup of wisconsin supreme court. and elon musk is trying to make sure that his candidate prevails. his america pac just launched $1 million canvasing effort, and another musk backed group has put down $1.6 million to run. scorched earth ads is the only way i can describe them. like this one. >> the monster. >> faces 100. >> years. >> in prison. >> but judge. >> susan crawford. >> let him off with just four. >> that was crawford's choice. >> now he's back on the street walking distance from a school. and judge crawford. she wants. a promotion. susan crawford.

>> dangerous decisions. >> wrong for wisconsin. >> now, the target of that multi-million dollar effort by musk and his partners. judge susan crawford. she joins me now. it's great to see you, judge crawford. thank you so much for taking the time. and i played that. i thought about not playing it, but i played it because i wanted people to see what kind of scorched earth ads and how much money is being put behind them. what impact are you seeing of this? >> well. >> jen, you know. >> this is unprecedented. >> i think in wisconsin politics, particularly in judicial. >> elections. >> to see. >> somebody like. >> elon musk, the richest man in the world, wading in to try to buy a justice on the wisconsin supreme court. i have. >> a lot of. >> confidence in wisconsin voters. i think they're going to see through this effort and do the right thing and make sure that we have a fair and impartial.

>> supreme court. >> after all of this. but, you know, it's. >> it's really. >> unprecedented. >> of all the issues, i mean, there are a lot of issues that are going to be before the state supreme court in wisconsin. that's why it's such an important race. why does elon musk care about this race? >> well. >> you know. >> i think that. >> this is the first. >> shot across the bow. >> wisconsin is a. >> really purple state. it's always a swing state. and i think elon musk saw an opportunity here to buy a supreme court in a state. and i don't think it's going to stop at this one if he's successful. i think that people should be paying attention to this race. it's really a critical race for the people of wisconsin, but i think people across the country should be paying attention to this. >> that's why we're talking about it. absolutely. and, you know, i ask this because at the federal level and here in washington, we're seeing a lot of ways musk is getting involved

in the federal government destroying federal services and getting rid of federal workers in a way that in some cases might help his companies. and there was this report. it was in january that musk's electric car company, tesla, sued wisconsin to challenge a state law forbidding manufacturers from owning dealerships. now, eight days later, musk wrote on his social media site, very important to vote republican for the wisconsin supreme to prevent voting fraud, which feels very in your face. but it's, i think, for anyone watching who's just not as attuned to this, they're wondering, is this personal? is this related to his business? could it be both? what do you make of that? yeah. >> well, i think it's probably both. and you're right, that timing is certainly suspicious at the least. and it's also just three. he tweeted that tweet just three days after my opponent, brad schimel, was in washington, d.c. you know,

attending big dollar galas in washington. he came back and bragged about how he has been wearing out his knee pads, begging on his knees for conservative billionaires like elon musk to fund his campaign. and, you know, i think elon musk saw an opportunity there and saw a willing customer in brad schimel. brad schimel, this isn't the first time that brad schimmel has been willing to sell justice to the highest, highest bidder. he did that when he was a republican attorney general in wisconsin, by refusing being one of the only states to refuse to get involved in a lawsuit to hold pharmaceutical companies accountable. brad schimel was on the take from the pharmaceutical companies to fund his reelection campaign. so he's just doing it again. and elon musk, you know, he's he's a guy who can spot an opportunity. and i think he

spotted one in brad schimel. >> i can't imagine i mean, you alluded to this, but that the people of wisconsin take too kindly to a tech billionaire trying to swoop in and swing, swing up a state supreme court race, pay for it. what are you hearing back home from folks? >> well, i'm hearing a lot of strong reactions from people. people don't like it. they're suspicious when somebody like elon musk, somebody who is, you know, in the process seemingly of dismantling our federal government, starts playing around in wisconsin elections, particularly one as critical as this election. so i'm hearing from a lot of people who are really, really concerned about this. and, you know, i guess the silver lining is that it's gotten people angry and it's gotten people really engaged in this race. >> do you expect or are you expecting that he's going to continue to spend this amount of money on this race over the next 39 days? i believe it is.

>> well, you know, he's got unlimited means to do so. i guess time will tell. and again, i just hope that people are paying attention out there and watching this closely. if people want to learn more about this race, i invite them to visit my campaign website, crawford for. and help out and get engaged. i think people across our country should be really worried when somebody like elon musk is going after a state supreme court, if it can happen here, it can happen anywhere. >> susan crawford, thank you for joining me, helping us understand this important race to watch. that, of course, does it for me tonight. chris hayes will be back next week. and i'll be back on sunday at noon. monday at eight. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hey, rachel happy friday. >> hey, jen. >> happy friday indeed. >> thank you for. >> sticking with that wisconsin supreme court story. that is a such an important and interesting and sort of perverse. story that the