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might have missed. >> donald trump's stance on ukraine. >> which you know is not. shocking when you look back at the relationship. even during his first presidency, things he said and did, even withholding aid from ukraine. at the same time. >> this is a. >> shocking change. >> in what. >> might be the world. >> order and how our. >> allies are responding. >> i mean, he is quickly. moving from not just destroying. >> relationship with. >> ukraine. >> but restoring. >> a relationship with all of our allies and not just in europe. i mean, if you are one of. >> our asian ally. >> countries right now, you're questioning the. >> validity of a. >> alliance with. >> the united states. >> if you're taiwan. >> if you're philippines, philippines is. >> actively trying to push. >> back on chinese. >> trying to claim. >> some islands in the south china sea. >> why are you looking at this situation. >> saying that i can. >> trust them. >> and something has. >> happened here. >> because it's not just trump. >> trump has either been taken. >> as a fool or is. feels scared. >> or weakened by. >> in the presence of donald trump.

>> but what is going on with waltz. >> and rubio, the. >> supposed adults in the room that everyone thought was. supposed to be there? >> they're also. >> just buying right. into all these talking points and going along with destroying. >> that relationship that we've talked about for many years. >> in the senate and in congress. >> i served with. with both. >> and they're. >> going to actively hurt. >> and weaken united states national security. >> all around the world. >> because. >> we're only strong. >> as long as we. >> have strong. >> allies with us. >> vladimir putin jen psaki. >> has a history of attempting to make a fool of american presidents. >> you served in. >> an administration and talk about that fraught relationship and what you make of what is happening now. >> well, it's been fraught for some time. i think it's important to remember that there has been such a massive evolution over the course of, i would say, a decade of so many leaders in the republican party, some who are still elected, that you're serving alongside senator lindsey graham, senator marco rubio, senator lisa murkowski, to some degree, senator john thune, who all felt strongly attacked the obama administration, attacked john

kerry at the time that that ukraine needed to be armed, that there was more that needed to be done to support the ukrainians. many democrats felt the way that way at the time as well. and now here they are, and they seem nonplused by donald trump and the trump administration negotiating without the ukrainians at the table, being willing to give away the land that they they've been fighting for so many years. that evolution is quite dramatic. i think they're fearful, of course, of their political place and the impact of trump being upset. but it is it should be stunning to people. >> even in more recent history. >> it was. >> one year ago this. >> week that. >> 22 republican. >> senators defied donald trump. >> and voted. >> for a massive funding. >> bill that included $60. >> billion to ukraine. >> among them. >> now majority leader. >> john thune. >> we heard. >> a little bit. >> of. >> pushback yesterday saying that, well, we don't necessarily. >> think. >> putin is. >> a good. >> guy. >> but they still were very loath to. actually criticize. president trump himself. >> do you. >> see that potentially changing? because if not.

>> let's talk also. >> about what this. >> could mean. putin is going. >> to get far better terms. >> it would seem, to end this war than we could. >> have imagined. >> over the last three years, considering how. >> poorly it. >> started for him. and he's also got an economy that's on war footing. who's to say he won't just try again in a couple of years? >> i mean, this is very true. i senator, it really makes me think about the fact that, look, yes, wars are eventually ended at negotiating tables. it is diplomacy that ends wars. but you fight these battles on the battlefield to put you in a better position, to be able to negotiate at that table. kyiv is still standing under the control of ukrainians because of president zelensky. someone who let's just be very clear, even at the time, the americans didn't believe that kyiv was going to you know, jen and i were in the administration at the time. the americans did not even believe that kyiv would last a week. and now they have lasted nearly what we're going on two, almost three years. three years. >> i was actually there. >> before the fight. >> before the war broke out, about. one month. >> before the war broke out, i.

>> took. >> a delegation. >> a. >> congressional bipartisan. >> delegation that, including. >> included waltz. >> to go see this. and we spoke to. >> the ukrainians, and i spoke to ukrainian. soldiers and marines. >> that were. >> you. >> know, way younger than. >> me, but. >> reminded me a lot of the. >> fighting marines that i was with that really. wanted to have a free ukraine. and the fact is. >> ukraine. >> this scrappy little country, has grinded down the second most powerful. >> country in the world. >> and has grinded down for two. >> years. >> essentially securing, you know. >> western europe. >> for at least a couple. more years. >> and now. >> we're about to give them. >> a little out. we're about. >> to give russia an out. >> russia is weak. it is a. >> weak country. and president trump and his administration are about to give him putin, a new lifeline that they do not deserve, that they do not need. it's only going to impact the rest of this world. >> in. >> a. >> negative manner. >> i guess. >> but what fallout do you believe that vladimir putin will stop at ukraine if the americans if donald trump gives vladimir putin what he would like, allows him to keep the territory that he has stolen, essentially from

the ukrainian people, will he. >> stop there? the history of russia. >> whether it's. >> communist russia. >> tsarist russia or whatever. >> the heck putin is, is always to. >> expand. >> always to. >> try to. >> get more and more and try to conquer more and more, especially. >> anything that they. >> consider their former territory. >> but. >> you know, russia is a weak. >> country. and for some reason. >> this president is just. >> enamored with. >> the idea. >> of russia being the strong country. russia historically has lost almost all of their wars, especially all of their wars of expansion. and we need to give and empower ukraine. >> the ability for them to actually absolutely destroy russia, because. >> destroying russia means that the rest of western. >> europe is secure, too. >> there's the same tendency. >> with president trump. >> as. >> well. >> canada, greenland. >> and. >> you know, the way he. >> looks at give me your minerals. >> and. >> you know. >> but he's he's more willing. to be bullies to our friends than to actual bullies, because. >> he's a weak man at. >> the core. he's afraid of people. like putin. >> cause. putin is an actual strong man. >> so that's. >> the way that he operates as. >> a bully is he goes.

>> after people that are tend to be friends who are going to react to him in a more, i would. >> say, lenient. >> way. >> but real. >> bullies he's afraid of. this is why. >> he talks so positively about, you. >> know. >> north korean dictator, you know, china talking about russia. this is the type of person he is. bullies can never stand up to people that are stronger than them. >> so. >> senator, it has. >> been one month since. president trump took the oath of office. >> i have noticed. >> a long month. yeah. and. >> you. >> know. >> but. >> you one. >> elected as a democrat. >> in. >> a state that he. >> he won. >> the voters you've talked to over this last month. is. >> he. >> doing what. >> he said. >> he would do? >> is he. >> helping them? you mentioned. >> the cost. >> of prices. >> but you also you you're a border state about immigration. what is. >> this what they were. >> voting for. >> so in. some regards they. >> were voting for more. >> border security. >> and they did believe that there are people in this country that are criminals that are actually dangerous, that should be deported. what they don't want is mass deportations. they don't want families separated. and they certainly don't believe at all that birthright citizenship is in the best ending. birthright citizenship is in the best interest or the

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>> people who. >> clearly voted for donald trump. >> but. >> suddenly have had their jobs taken away because of what they're doing. >> yeah. >> i mean. there is. >> a precedent for this. >> i mean, i remember. >> in his first term there was a wave of early stories saying, oh, can you believe it's happening? we're going to talk to some trump voters. and they're surprised that, you know, their life has been distracted like this. things have been interrupted. the question is, how much do they care? i mean, how much do not not the farmers care, but but how much does elon. >> musk and donald trump. >> actually care? did they sort of build this into the plan that, you know, look, we've already been elected. >> well. >> trump's been elected twice. the you know, they've. already voted for us. i mean, is it sort of a slash and burn thing? i mean main obviously it's a blues or blue ish state. i mean, i guess they the northern electoral vote go. >> to i. >> think. >> trump got the one. >> trump got the one. >> never mind. but no. >> i. >> mean it is. >> you do see a lot of this trickle down thing, but it just doesn't it doesn't seem to be part of their strategic thinking

politically. and it's also a question of whether this is a politically harmful thing to them in the long run. other than a few stray voices that you hear in media reports now, there might be a lot of them, but it's not exactly a drumbeat that they're paying attention to. >> so as we saw earlier in garrett higgs report, president trump said he may. >> give americans back. >> some of. >> the money. >> saved by the so-called department of government efficiency. trump said he is weighing giving 20% back to taxpayers. but did. not offer any details. >> joining us now. >> co-anchor of cnbc's squawk box. >> and the new. >> york times columnist andrew. >> ross sorkin. >> i can. >> see. >> the signature on the checks now. andrew. >> what. >> does this mean? how would this work? >> you know. >> i think it. >> would mean getting. >> checks very similar. >> to the stimulus. checks that were sent out. >> with the president's. >> signature, as you mentioned, during the pandemic. having said that. >> almost by default. >> it's inflationary, almost by default. you start to think about some of the speculative things that happened during that period economically. and you

start to say to yourself, if the. goal of doge is to save money, is to ultimately, you know, get. >> our house. >> in order. $36 trillion of debt out there. this would not be the way to do it. having said that, i'm sure it would be very popular. you know, publicly to get those checks. but in terms of doing what the president said, in terms of trying to get get rid of this fiscal problem we have, this would not solve that at all. >> so, andrew, yesterday, president trump. deemed himself. >> a king. >> and he did so because he. >> and his. >> department of transportation scuttled or said they would scuttle new york city's congestion pricing. >> program. >> which has been in place for about a month. >> and a half or so. >> proponents of the plan say it's already had a real good impact. >> traffic has. >> decreased in manhattan. so the. >> governor, kathy hochul of new york. >> said. >> she would try to fight. >> this with legal brawl certainly will ensue. but tell me you've been following this. talk to us about what you're

seeing here in this battle. this is a political battle, but it's. >> also a bigger question about states rights versus the federal government. >> and it's almost. >> ironic in that this president in particular. >> has talked. >> about states rights at great length when it comes to. >> issues like. >> abortion and other things. new york and new york city in particular depends on public transportation. it is built for public transportation. unfortunately, the economics of public transportation have required more money than this city has. and so one of the things the city of course, implemented was this idea of congestion pricing, in part because there was too much, too much traffic in the city, which also was creating its own bottlenecks in terms of the economy, but also as a way to raise money. now, all of this was granted and approved by the federal government already. so to take this back becomes both a financial problem for the city. but i think does set up a big court battle over this. of course, the political side of this is that. >> there are a lot. >> of republicans that are

living in long island who are being affected by this. there are folks in upstate new york, in westchester, in new jersey, in connecticut. and, you know, when you start to think about the red blue divide, you can start to understand why the president thinks that this is a popular issue for him to go after, even if it's one that in court he may lose. >> so, mark, let's get you in on this. to andrew's point. >> no doubt. >> it is an interesting. >> dynamic of federal. >> versus states rights. but it also. >> feels like for donald trump this might be a little personal. sticking it to new york city, manhattan, that his hometown. >> that. >> has rejected him and of. >> course tried and. convicted him. >> just in the. >> last year. >> sure. >> he did well in long island. he did better in new jersey than he did in the past. i do think that this is not so much this is a local story, obviously, but it's also a national story. i mean, americans see this, you know, they basically love their cars. they do not like tolls. they don't like, you know, unseen costs, like what congestion pricing is. i mean, most people don't see this bill. so basically they just sort of look at the basics of this and they see donald trump is on our

side. he's on the side of a status quo and just, you know, kind of cutting costs. and, you know, they don't sit in traffic in new york city all day. so i think, you know, this is one of those issues kind of like, you know, no taxes on tips, things like that, that has an easy populist appeal. >> the popular in new. >> york city, though. >> yeah. >> it does pull well there people. >> exactly, exactly. >> all right. >> before you go. >> andrew ross sorkin, you have an announcement this morning about a project you've been. working on that is eight years in the making, which makes you kind of like you're like the mike. barnicle of business. >> because it takes him, like, longer than. >> that. >> to write a book. >> it's taken a long time. but we're announcing this morning it will be out in october. i've been working on a book that's really the prequel to too big to fail, which of course covered the financial crisis in 2008. this is a book that goes back and really peels behind and gets you behind the curtain and inside the room of 1929. you know, joe and i talked a lot about comparisons between the

sort of bubble economy that we live in today, and i had mentioned it on the air yet, but so much of what we're living through today is actually reflected in 1929. and so i've tried to write a character driven nonfiction account of that period. it's based on diaries and letters and memos, and i think really puts you in the room in a way that it's never been done before. and hopefully we'll have an opportunity to talk about it in october when it comes out. >> cannot wait. congratulations. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin. thank you very much. >> all right. >> artificial intelligence is impacting the way we live, work and learn. but schools, teachers and students are still navigating exactly how to handle the new technology. one example, late last year, an honor. >> student in. >> massachusetts was given a. d on a history project because he used the help of ai to complete his paper. the parents. sued the school. in federal court, and in november, the judge in the case issued a preliminary ruling in

favor of the school district. stating their policy on ai use. >> was sufficiently clear. >> kind of makes sense, right? i mean, isn't. >> that like. >> yeah, let's bring in editor at large at newsweek, tom rogers, he's also executive chairman at clay grid, a cloud ai grid company. his latest piece for newsweek focuses on the future of ai and education. it's entitled ai use degraded by a d grade. what happened, tom? >> and how. are you? >> great. >> great to see you, mika. >> well, this issue is. going to be bigger and bigger in the classroom as ai proliferates. >> and becomes. more and. >> more a tool that is used in academia. in this case, the parents in their lawsuit claimed that there was no plagiarism involved. that the student who had perfect act scores, clearly

a top student, had used it to outline his paper. and therefore was not. involved in what might be considered cheating. on the other hand, teacher. involved in it said it was the worst case of academic integrity violation they had seen in years. the school actually didn't have a clear policy at the time of the incident, but later, after the incident amended its cheating policy to say unauthorized use of technology, including ai, was an academic integrity violation. pretty soon that's going to be kind of like saying unauthorized use of books is a integrity violation. so, as you said, the court preliminarily ruled. for the school district. not on the basis of the policy. >> that had been in.

>> place, but really on the basis that courts shouldn't. get involved in overturning grades of a school. this has not been set for. >> trial yet. >> so there's. >> more to come. >> but it really seems like it's going to stand for the d grade case that degraded the use of ai. and there's huge reason not. >> to degrade. >> the use of ai. >> so in the. piece you write in part. >> some 24 states have published guidelines for school districts on how. >> to. create generative. >> ai policies. massachusetts, where this federal case now lies, is not one of. >> those states. one of the. >> key challenges, of course, is that formulating a policy around something that is evolving so quickly is incredibly difficult. there is no doubt. >> there will. >> be enormous. >> value that comes from the educational use of ai, but along the way, there's sure to be much additional controversy. school policy decisions in this arena

should be biased. >> in the. >> direction of adopting. ai capability. >> and not driven toward trying to discourage students from. embracing it in. >> some proper use of ai should be encouraged, as opposed. >> to this. >> case where the d grade. appeared to degrade its use. >> this is going to be an ongoing challenge. >> for schools that are going to need their own guardrails, but ai has guardrails depending on what ai you use, right? >> and. >> you know, you can see on the one hand, obviously. >> having i. >> do a paper. for you verbatim would be a huge. >> no no. >> in terms of academic integrity. >> what's going on a. >> lot today, i think, is students have ai generated paper. >> and then. >> basically change every sentence in the paper to reflect their own voice. so, you. >> know.

>> okay, that's a. bit more of a gray area, but also not a good use of ai. on the other hand, we've fully accepted the internet as a research tool, and going away from the card catalog in libraries and the dewey decimal system as your basis of research. >> so with ai. >> if you go and say. give me every good quote that should. >> be quoted in a. >> paper and the page. >> number, and then. outline it. >> for me, and. then you write from there, is that a good use of ai? is that something that schools are going to shun? what's clear is that ai is going to make a huge contribution when it comes to language. verbal tutoring. >> up next, we'll be joined by a member of the foreign relations. >> committee. >> democratic senator chris. about trump blaming ukraine for starting the war. >> with russia. >> that conversation. >> is just ahead. >> is just ahead. >> here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein,

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together like what we saw today, because donald trump is the only leader in the world that can. so no one is being sidelined here. but president trump is in a position that he campaigned on to initiate a process that could bring about an end to this conflict, and from that could emerge some very positive things for the united states, for europe, for ukraine, for the world. >> well, i. >> mean. >> yeah. >> i. >> mean, i. suppose joe biden could have gotten together with vladimir putin over the past couple of years. while the. intel community is. >> saying he. >> still wants to invade all. >> of ukraine. >> and take over. >> take over kyiv. >> so as the wall street journal editorial page says, you need to have and. secretary rubio knows this, you you have to have certain conditions met as you go down. that road. i will say secretary of state marco rubio, that was after. >> his meeting, by. >> the way, yesterday. >> with the russian foreign. >> minister, sergei lavrov. i will say that marco rubio did

say that ukraine would be involved and europe would be involved in negotiations, that this was just an. opening round. but those comments came before president trump blamed ukraine for starting the war. let's bring in right now the democratic senator, chris of delaware. he serves on both the foreign relations and judiciary committees, and he was. >> at the munich security. >> conference this past weekend. >> i want to. >> get to a peace deal. and what you think a peace deal should look like? because i think we all. agree it's great. it would be great to get all the sides together and end this bloody war. but before we get to that, let, let let's talk about munich and let's talk about the comments yesterday, you know, back when i was a republican, we liked the idea of peace through strength. ronald reagan negotiated a hard deal at reykjavik. he refused to give. he pushed gorbachev and the

soviets to the wall and they capitulated. and what we learned from ronald reagan and what we've. learned from. strong democrats like doctor brzezinski and scoop jackson. and others. >> we've learned. >> peace through strength works. we understood that. we also understood that capitulating to russia means more conquests down the road for russia, given what history has shown us. senator, i'm curious your thoughts about what you heard in munich, what you heard yesterday, and how we move forward from here to get a. >> lasting. >> just peace in ukraine. >> well, joe, thank you. that's absolutely right. the way. >> to achieve. >> a lasting and a just peace for. >> ukraine and. >> security for. >> the united. >> states and the american people and for the west. >> is for donald trump to show that he. understands what it means to lead and to be. tough to sit across the table from vladimir putin, who. >> started this. >> war just three years ago by

sending hundreds of thousands of troops. >> into ukraine. >> who committed atrocities. >> and occupied. >> 20% of this nation. >> sit across the table from. him and threaten him. he is a gangster and a thug. senator roger wicker, who is republican chairman. >> of the. >> armed services committee. >> made it clear that he understands that putin is. >> a. >> war criminal. >> not our partner, not our ally. >> and if trump were to say. you must stop and. >> we're going to. >> increase sanctions on you. >> we're going. >> to send more. weapons into ukraine. >> we're locking arms with. >> the europeans and the ukrainians, and. >> you will lose. >> then there. >> is. >> a real chance that putin would say, and stop and be willing to accept a security. >> guarantee from the united states. >> western troops in. >> ukraine. >> and a permanent peace that would allow ukraine to remain a sovereign and free country. >> if, on the other hand, as seemed likely. >> from the comments of secretary hegseth and the. >> speech by. >> vice president vance. at munich, a place. famous for

neville chamberlain's surrender of the sudetenland. >> and abandonment of. >> the last. >> best chance of stopping the nazis. >> if instead they release or. >> reduce the sanctions. they refuse an american backstop. >> they begin to suggest an. american abandonment of europe and a. >> betrayal of ukraine. >> donald trump will be known as the biggest loser of the. >> 21st century. >> the man who chose a team that includes russia, north korea. >> iran and. >> china over. >> our team. >> that is ukraine. >> germany. >> france. >> italy. >> great britain, the folks who have been our partners. >> and allies for decades and. >> who. >> share our values. >> that appears to be what he's doing. >> it does. >> and then. >> what would be the next steps in this? i mean, we've got the 82nd airborne at the border. >> between poland and ukraine. i mean. >> how where does. >> this go? if he. >> if it goes. >> as badly as. >> is possible. >> he literally. begins to. draw american. >> troops out of. >> europe and.

>> abandons not. just ukraine. >> but nato and europe. >> that would be an awful outcome. it would. >> profoundly destabilize the world. >> and make the american. >> people less safe. it would signal. >> to xi jinping. >> that. >> taiwan is next on the menu. >> and look, in his. >> first month, president. >> trump. >> has engaged. >> in a. >> dizzying series. >> of threats. he's threatened denmark and greenland. >> panama and the panama canal, canada. >> to turn. >> gaza into. >> a riviera by. >> relocating millions. >> he has confused our. >> partners and allies in a remarkable way. >> peter baker. >> joe is. >> actually just. >> talking about senator. >> sorry. >> secretary rubio. >> and i have to admit that senator rubio, 2016. >> i think, would. >> have been pretty up in arms about what we heard yesterday. >> and secretary. >> rubio, 2024 2025. probably won't be. >> what do you. think that tells us. >> about where republicans. >> are, the republican party of reagan, as joe said. i mean, this is something. >> that used to be a. >> core value. >> and in fact, when trump came in. >> in 2017. >> the first thing he wanted to

do was lift sanctions. it was mitch mcconnell, john mccain. the republicans said, no. don't do that. we will pass. >> legislation if you do. >> and he backed off. >> where are. >> those republicans? >> so senator rubio and i did a joint speech about opposing. >> russia on the floor of. >> the senate. i believe. >> it was. >> senator rubio who in the. last ndaa, the. >> defense authorization. >> bill, led an amendment saying that the president can't pull us. >> out of nato unilaterally. >> and i did have a chance to meet with him in munich, along with a bipartisan group of senators. and i think he remains, at his core, a normal republican, a reagan republican. but to your point about this administration, even though mike wallace. >> the national. >> security advisor, marco rubio, the secretary of state, may know better than believing that abandoning ukraine is. >> in our. >> national security interest. president trump is the one who i think yesterday said it's ukraine's fault they started this war, which is just wildly untrue, bluntly offensive to everyone who understands what's actually happened in the last. >> three years. >> and the republican senators

who were with me in munich, sitting. >> across the. >> table from president zelensky saying, we are with you now, need to put some spine. behind their statements. >> i mean. >> elizabeth. >> what this. >> the enduring question, what. >> is. president trump's. >> ultimate goal here? >> i mean, and. >> he's assisted by. >> by the vice president, j.d. >> vance, who said. >> as we in munich that that. >> germany should should be included, should it be, you know. >> be embraced the. >> the neo-nazi afd party. what is the ultimate goal here. in the grand. >> scheme of things? >> so i. think there's a basic division between moderate republicans and many other republicans. margaret. republicans have no value for sort of traditional democratic values. and j.d. vance, in his speech where he focused on the romanian election, where a putin acolyte nearly won, and denouncing romania for having invalidated an election where our intelligence services say the russians influence the outcome. and then, as you said, met with the leader of a

neo-nazi party in germany the week of their election, which produced a strong rebuke from the german chancellor. their goals, i think, are to fundamentally remake the world order and the united states place in that order. more traditional republicans still believe in peace through strength and still believe in strong alliances. they're trying to get europe to step forward and increase their contributions to security. and, by the way, in supporting ukraine, the europeans have done more than we have in military, economic and humanitarian support. we're roughly equal, but they're actually ahead of us. so that factual misunderstanding underlies a lot of this. the republicans i was with in munich would be happy if the result of this was a stable peace for ukraine and a significant increase in european contributions to nato. and i think that's their goal. >> up next, for many, planned parenthood is synonymous with the fight to preserve life. saving abortion rights, but it is also the health care provider for millions of. >> the.

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financial strain. the paper reviewed clinical documents and legal filings, and also conducted interviews with more than 50 current and former executives and medical staff, and found that. clinics suffered as national leaders prioritized the fight for abortion rights over finding ways to provide patients with sustainable. health care. joining us now with reaction is the president and ceo of the planned parenthood action fund and planned parenthood federation of america, alexis mcgill johnson. also with us for this conversation is the co-founder and ceo of all in together. lauren, later. good to have you both with us. alexis, first of all, tell us what's going on at these clinics across the country and what can be done given the current environment. >> well. >> thank you. >> for having me here and allow me. >> to. address this, i think, quite frankly, irresponsible piece. >> of journalism. >> you know what? >> i have.

>> such admiration. >> for the workers of. >> planned parenthood at. >> the 600. health centers. >> across this country. >> people who get up every single day, they walk. >> through protesters, they walk through. >> you know. >> potential violence. >> and they. >> see patients. >> who are. >> traveling all across the country, quite frankly, to get the care. >> that they need. >> in. >> this moment. >> so they are they are the heroes here. and what we are seeing now is we are living in a. public health. >> crisis, right? >> i mean. >> that one that was. >> created by the, you know, first trump administration. and we are seeing that these folks are trying to provide care in a system. >> that has very inequitable. >> reimbursement rates. and so the. idea that planned parenthood is in crisis. without the proper. >> context, cherry. >> picking five. >> anecdotes out. >> of. >> the 9. >> million services and patients that they see all of the time across. this country in annual visits, it just really. >> felt.

>> you know, just like a. >> an unwarranted attack. >> well, and. >> then i'd like. >> to take it a step further. >> your answer. >> here. >> pushing back a little bit to this article. what is it about the system as it stands right now that is impacting care? what are the challenges that planned parenthood is facing in this political environment? >> well. >> i think planned parenthood. like all systems, are facing increasing. >> health care costs, right? i mean, i think that's the reality across the country. >> and we. >> see. >> 50% of our patients are medicaid patients. they're insured by medicaid, which means they are coming. >> and oftentimes. >> getting very crappy. reimbursement rates. and i would say the problem is. >> really reimbursement. >> equity as it relates. >> to gender. >> and fundraising. >> alone cannot close the gap that, you know, that. >> our. >> health centers are experiencing. and so. >> you know, i think. the challenge, right, is to ensure that medicaid reimbursement. >> gets, gets increased. and

the. >> real. >> challenge in this administration. right. is the fact. >> that, you know, we are. potentially under a medicaid defund. >> as forecast by. >> the trump. >> administration and those who. >> are advising him. >> so we have a. >> lot. >> of concern. >> around what. could happen there. >> so what is your response in light of all that we've just said to those who do say that the organization is sometimes. >> prioritizing politics. >> over patients? >> so our political dollars are raised. >> in. >> the political, you. >> know. >> in the political entities. >> right. >> and we are all. >> fighting to ensure. >> access for abortion rights. and i give you. >> a great example, right. >> this weekend. >> right after the. >> voters in missouri voted in november. >> this weekend, we were able. >> to provide our first. >> abortions in missouri. okay. >> that was. >> a function of our. ability to fight. >> politically and. >> ensure that. >> the care. >> is allowed to be provided. our health care is politicized. and so without. >> engaging in. >> politics, we aren't able to actually engage. >> so. >> alexis. >> when i. >> think americans. >> don't quite understand the

extent to which we have these. health care deserts all over the country, and especially. >> in states. >> where abortion has been banned, we've seen just a massive. >> erosion. >> not just obviously. >> of abortion care. >> but just basic. >> health care for women in those states. >> can you talk a little bit. >> about the services that planned parenthood continues. >> to provide, especially in. those states? because i don't think everybody even knows that they're still operating in those places. you know, at great challenge, obviously. absolutely. >> i mean, people come to planned. >> parenthood for. >> abortion where they're. >> able to get it or. >> navigation out. >> of state. >> where they. >> are unable. >> to. >> but also birth. >> control. >> family planning. >> you know. sti testing, gender affirming care. >> which. >> is also. >> under attack. >> and, you know, for many. >> communities. >> planned parenthood is the first resort, right? it is the first point of entry into the health care system. and so, you know. >> look, our all of the work that we do. >> rests on our. >> ability to provide. local health care. >> and to also fight for that. >> care. >> because we know, as i said, it is politicized. so, you know, look, i think the things that people can do are to.

>> support their local. >> you know. >> planned parenthood. >> affiliates to ensure that they're getting. >> those resources. and. >> you. >> know. >> to. >> also be a part of a movement to fight for reimbursement equity, to. >> fight for. >> you. >> know. >> reestablishing rights that have been lost and are really. >> tragic for communities. >> president of planned parenthood alexis mcgill johnson and ceo of all in together, lauren leder. thank you both. please come back. it's great to talk to you. up next, oscar nominated actress mikey madison joins us to talk about the growing buzz that her new film, a nora, could take home, the academy award for. >> best picture. my eyes. >> they're dry, uncomfortable. >> looking for extra hydration. now there's blink neutral tears. it works differently than drops. blink neutral tears is a once daily supplement clinically proven to hydrate from within, helping your eyes produce more of their own tears to promote

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