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entire first order@fabletics.com is a new vip member. >> welcome back to the weekend. so in a post on social media, trump announced the firing of chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general c-q brown. brown's firing comes as the trump administration continues its mass purge of federal

workers, including more than 400 employees at the department of homeland security, 400 recently hired employees at the federal aviation administration, around 700 employees at the department of health and human services, and at least a thousand at the department of veterans affairs. elon musk's doge and the trump administration have a presence at over a dozen agencies and are looking to cut folks more than 200,000 jobs. 10% of the federal workforce. why? well, just because. and on friday, a federal judge ruled, it's okay. it's okay for those mass firings to move full steam ahead. joining us now is princeton university professor and msnbc contributor and political analyst, eddie glaude. and everett kelley, national president of the american federation of government employees, or afge. welcome to you both. >> welcome to you both.

professor glaude. i want to read a little bit about what our. >> current head. >> of the dod had to say about. cq brown. this is from his book. >> the war on warriors behind betrayal of the men who keep. >> us free. quote. as of the writing of this book, cq brown replaced mark milley as the. >> chairman of the joint chiefs. >> was it because of his skin color. or his skill? we'll never know, but always doubt which on its face seems unfair to cq. but since he has played the race. >> card one. >> of his biggest calling cards, it doesn't. much matter. >> i mean, what do. >> you do with that? i mean. >> you. >> see, he's. >> trying to provide. >> the smoke. screen so that he can not be accused of race baiting. of engaging in a certain kind of racial analysis. >> but we know. >> for these folks that. d stands in for race, stands in for gender stands in for the diminishment of value. you know, the challenge of the american project, as it were. so, i mean, we know who these people are. and that's just the. latest

example. >> but i do appreciate that. >> that. >> is the subtext. made textual. >> absolutely. >> i mean, it. >> would be nice for folks to just simply say what they mean and mean what they say. but, you know, this is a good example, and we need to just read it for what it is. >> you know, you gave the list of firings that have occurred, and now you have this as well this week where the trump administration begins the layoffs at the irs, noting the terminations reportedly of 6000 relatively new workers at the agency, a part of president trump's broader purge of the federal workforce. layoffs began thursday for dozens of denver based internal revenue service employees. here we are with about six weeks until it's time to file your your taxes, as, as as it were. and you're laying off 6000 federal employees on top of all the other agencies. what's your assessment of the harm that's being done, because you've had a federal judge rule

that there's no harm? this is these are all hypotheticals, but they're real, right? they're actual firings that are taking place. and what what recourse do these federal employees have? do they, you know, just say, okay, i'm fired and file for unemployment or what's that process like for them? well, first of all, thank you for having me today, michael. now, i don't represent. >> the r. >> s workers, however, they're represented by nteu. but the responses are the same. okay. the effects are the same. these employees are being fired for no apparent reason. okay. and because of that, you know, they do have rights, you know, and they should be filing grievances, unfair labor practices, whatever, you know, utilizing their mechanism inside of their cba. at the same time, you know, there will be and i'm sure lawsuits filed, you know, because of the lawlessness of

these issues. and so i think that that is the avenue is the lawsuit part, is that. more of an individual action, or do you see something that's more like a class action of federal employees across agencies or within a particular agency? how how typically do the federal employees unions look at that process when you have something like this happen? well, that would be the lawsuit would be performed by the union itself. okay, okay. and, you know, we have determined that we need to go after the corporate, right? the people that's really bringing the harm to those employees. you know, we've been filing lawsuits, but we recently filed one directly against opm because they are the one that's bypassing the agencies because this is what we're hearing. michael, even the managers are in tears because they know that, you know, it's a fluke. they know that what is being said is not factual. these employees are good employees. some of them

just received awards and bonuses for great performances of their work. and then a week later, they are being terminated under the guise of poor performance. right, okay. and managers are very upset about this. >> yeah. >> and you'll recall, michael, that when we. >> had mark zaidan, who. >> represents a lot of these folks who have. been let go without cause, that he says to folks. make sure you print. >> off any evaluation. >> you have that says you any award that you have received. so there is a record where we can prove you were a stellar employee. this had nothing to do with your your performance. this wasn't waste. this wasn't fraud. >> this wasn't abuse. >> this was negligence on the. >> part. of the us government. >> so you have all that. happening and then. >> you. >> have the gop. >> eddie. >> freaking out about this, right? this is from this week, for. >> the most. >> part. republican members publicly cheering the administration's push to slash the. >> federal government, which is being led by billionaire. tech

mogul elon musk with. trump's blessing. >> but privately. many are feeling helpless to. >> counter the. >> meat ax approach. >> that hasn't been embraced. >> so far, with lawmakers. >> especially concerned about the dismissal of military veterans working in federal agencies, as well as. >> usda employees. handling the growing. bird flu outbreak affecting. >> poultry and dairy farms. >> i care about these employees. i want to be very clear. i think people, you know. >> should work. >> in their workplaces. but i'm also concerned about the. americans who are going to be impacted by the reality of not having government agencies that work. >> so this is. >> happening on at least two. >> registers. >> and it's happening nationwide and interesting sorts of ways. it's not as if it's a localized layoff. right. >> so you have folks. >> who are going to lose who are losing their jobs across the country. and then you have folks because of the downsizing, quote unquote, who are going to be impacted by way of service delivery, what is, in fact, the our expectations of government responsibility for the way in which we live our lives, what are our obligations to each other, and how are those obligations made manifest in the

contract we make with the federal government by way of services that keep us safe and keep our kids safe and keep our roads, you know, all these sort of things. but i think it's really important for us as we talk about efficiency, as they talk about downsizing, as they talk about waste, as they talk about artificial intelligence, the human cost, everyday ordinary folk who busted theirnd was a postman, right. second african american hired at the post office in pascagoula, mississippi. and because of that job, i was able to live a middle class life. and because of his benefits, i don't have to worry about him and my mother. but think. about all of these people who have to pay mortgage. you have to who have to send their kids to college. you have to put food on the table. and now they're trying to figure out what to do. and i think it's our job to not deal with the. >> abstract. >> political, ideological motivators and drivers of this, but to actually focus in on the human cost of this because it speaks to what are our

obligations to each other, not to efficiency, but to each other? what are the moral underpinnings of our being together as americans? >> can i. >> also just. >> make it less. >> moral and more plain? >> like, do you like eggs? >> do you want eggs? >> were so important to you during the election. and now we're talking. >> about lying. you know. >> they. >> weren't telling the truth. they wasn't about no damage. >> please. >> more eggs, please. >> more eggs. please. >> i want to pick up on eddie's point there, everett, because i think what is lost is the impact on the men and women who make up our federal workforce. we know that their their pins in in agencies that haven't been filled. so yeah, you don't have to fill those. those dollars can go back into the budget and be spent on other things. but when you have people doing their jobs, as both you and eddie have noted, my dad was a federal employee based out of cameron station in the department of defense. right. i worked in both

the congressional side of the federal government, as well as the naval research laboratory. as as a young kid for about five years, i was at the naval. so i appreciate coming out of that space, both as a federal former federal employee and the to eddie's point, the product of the good work that a federal employee gets to do right to provide for their family. also, while giving service to the country. talk about that human aspect of this that donald trump and elon musk don't give a damn about. elon musk wouldn't know what a federal employee is. life and job and responsibilities are about. if you sat him down and read it to him in a children's book at that level, that's true. he still doesn't get it. that's right. and i and i think that all these folks reacting to a federal employee. oh, yes. well, what do they do? right. well, they deliver your mail. they

they provide services that your grandparents are going to need. they are in the room trying to figure out how to make sure your benefits stay intact. right. and a whole bunch of other things, you know, and thank you. that is so true because so many people do not understand, and especially elon musk do not understand what a federal employee does now, what a federal employee does. first of all, i'm a retiree from the department of defense myself, okay? federal employees are making sure that the warfighter have what he or. >> she. >> needs, you know, when they need it and is ready to work. it's not malfunctioning. those types of things, you know, that secure you know, our country, okay. federal employees are the ones that make sure that the food that you eat is safe. safe. okay. make sure that the air that you breathe is safe. make sure that veterans that go and protect this country come back and may have a disability. you know, those employees make sure that those veterans are serviced. you know, these are

the things that the american workforce do, social security checks people take for granted. you know, these people are the ones that process those claims and make sure that our prized possessions, our elders in this country, you know, make sure that they get their social security benefits and pensions on time. you know, these are the type of things, you know, when you start talking about air travel, it's the federal employees that ensure your safety when you're traveling through the air, you know, so they are not bureaucrats. they are not, you. >> know, deep state. >> these are the people that live next to you. these are the people that work with your your family members. these are people that go to church with you. go to mosque, synagogue with you. go to walmart, go to target with you. these are the people you know that they're talking about is the people they're talking about, and these are the people they don't know. edward kelly, thank you so much, my friend. thank you, eddie glaude. stick around, my friend, because, you know, we want want to clarify before before i want to go i want to clarify. nbc news has reported that 3500 irs folks

have been fired. the 6000 plus number is something we have not confirmed ever. kelly. thank you again, eddie. stick around because we still want to discuss where things stand with the many legal challenges against trump and elon musk. chainsawing of the federal government. yeah, see, that's what's happening, right? because this is the weekend. we're going to talk about it. thank you so much. about it. thank you so much. you. lakesha: childhood cancer is-- it's a long road. it's hard. but st. jude has gotten us through it. st. jude is hope that you have a chance at life. and it goes such a long way for every child diagnosed with cancer because the research is being shared all over the world. it's awesome. [music playing]

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citizenship, which, as you know, is in the constitution. joining us. >> now, georgetown. >> university constitutional law professor. >> michele goodwin. >> she's also the host of the on the issues. >> at this magazine. >> cloud is still. >> with us. >> michele, i want to play for you a very interesting exchange which occurred yesterday. between trump and the governor of maine. it was interesting. let's listen. >> is the maine here, the governor. >> there i am. >> yeah. >> i'm here. are you not going to comply with that? >> i'm complying with the state and federal law. >> well, we are the federal law. well, you better do it. you better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't. and by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, although i did very well there, your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports. so you better comply because otherwise you're not getting any, any federal funding for every state. good. i'll see you

in court. i look forward to that. that should be a real easy one. >> you can make. >> and enjoy your life after governor, because i don't think you'll be in elected politics. >> he's such a petty little boy. at the end of the day, whining and crying. but the interesting thing about that exchange was one the governor pushed back. she stood up. two trump sort of loves this sort of idea of engaging aggressively with litigation. what what does that say to you about the approach that folks have been taking, sort of pushing up against these executive orders? and could you clarify for the people out there what an executive order is and what it isn't in law? >> sure. so an executive order. >> could be, as we've seen from the trump administration. >> doodlings on. >> piece of paper. >> if they're. unconstitutional and they're illegal, right. >> and we've seen through. >> judges rejecting. >> them and pushing. >> states, but they can be.

powerful if we. >> think about the internment of. >> japanese americans in the united. >> states that. >> came through executive order. >> it's important. >> to note that. >> trump's agenda. >> which is a project 2025 agenda. >> has come out of a. >> space that is unconstitutional, that. >> is illegal. so what. >> he's been. >> scribbling on paper. >> and signing his name to so much of it has no force through law. so what we. >> see in terms of that pushback is a reminder to the president. >> he is not a king simply. >> because he puts his signature to pieces. >> of paper does not make it law in. >> and of itself. >> but it's worth noting that his pushback to that and j.d. vance is i am king above all, right. >> when he said, we are the federal we are the federal government. >> you know. >> that's right. >> which is which is inaccurate because the. >> federal government has checks and balances and it has other wings of government, including congress and. also our courts. and this is why we've seen 70 challenges, and we've. seen a variety of district court judges pushing back and allowing these.

plaintiffs claims to go forward and staying, which means we're putting brakes on these executive orders. remember, he was sued over 400 times. his first go around. and this has been less than a month and it's been 70. >> yeah. >> and because what we're talking about are. >> challenges that. >> are. immediately before us and challenges that could fundamentally change. >> this nation. >> as we know it. >> so you think of. >> something like birthright. >> citizenship and. >> the fact that what. >> it. >> would do effectively is create a permanent. >> underclass. >> a permanent legal. mechanism for discrimination. >> in. >> this country. that changes. >> who we are. >> right? i mean, we know what the trump administration is trying to do. it's literally trying to rip out the infrastructure that that was put in place as a result of the kind of social revolutions of the mid 20th century. we are really we are relitigating the black freedom struggle, relitigating the gay liberation liberation movement, litigating the women's, the women's rights movement. all of that is happening right now, and it's happening within a broader ideological frame about a unitary theory of executive

power. this is an imperial presidency on steroids, which we are barreling towards a kind of constitutional crisis. and the question is whether or not congress will actually live up to its constitutional responsibilities. in response to this, we're going to try to gum this up at least for two years until hopefully the house flips. but in the meantime, the judiciary has to hold this and hold this at bay as long as it can. and the judge who recently allowed for the furloughing or the firing of all of those usaid people, said it's not within my jurisdiction. i wish i could do something. so they're going to be moments where the court's hands are tied, moments where the court can do what it can do. but what will congress do in the interim, as we try to hold back this understanding of executive power? >> eddie, you know, the that's the thing for me, the use of executive power. we had governor pritzker issue a warning that i just want to i know we have some, but i just want to read it because i want to get your reaction to it. he talks about

my oath to the constitution of our state and our country. we don't have kings, and i don't intend to bend the knee to one. my mama taught me as a little boy. you only been the been the need to our lord and savior jesus christ. and i'll be damned if i'll ever do it to donald trump. and that should be what our elected leaders understand. but why don't they? why is it so easy for them to bend the knee? why is it so easy for them to just capitulate and give up on the very oath that they took? >> you know, michael, i've been trying to think about. >> i've been. >> trying to wrap my mind around that. you know, there's a line in baldwin that i paraphrase that human beings are at once miracles, but they also deeply, deeply disappointing. and one has to protect oneself against the disasters that they can be. in light of the fact that you can understand that we could be miraculous as well. there's some there's some spineless people out there. it's not just about the loud folk. there's some folk who just lack courage. and many of those folk have have been elected. they are our elected representatives. folk lack the virtue of courage in this

moment, because maybe, mike, they are committed to basic principles of democracy. they're only committed to themselves. remember, it's a toxic combination of selfishness, greed and hatred that threatens the polity right now. and we see that selfishness and self-interestedness among these politicians across the country. >> i want. >> to i want to have you end on that point as well. from from your perch as a legal scholar and looking at this from through that lens, what is it about this time that others that we see so many elected officials who raise their hand on a bible, swore oath to office, turn a blind eye on the law, the law, the constitution, birthright citizenship, for example. >> we've seen it before. >> unfortunately, michael. >> this is not a first. >> time, you know, reconstruction. >> the loss. >> of it that led us. >> into.

>> jim crow. >> was also. >> the surrendering of what was a constitutional duty, what was a moral and ethical duty that led us to jim crow. the fact that we already had in our constitution. >> a 14th amendment. >> that granted equality under law. and yet, if you were in mississippi, you were guessing how many bubbles on a bar of soap or jellybeans in. >> a. >> jar in order to be able to vote. the fact that ruby bridges mother had to show the world that girl already knew how to read. >> she came. >> from a great family, but her mother was doing something to shine a light on the fact that our constitutional aspirations were not being. >> furthered by members. >> of congress or. >> in state legislatures. >> and that is the moral deficit that we find ourselves in, and. >> a. >> political deficit as well. >> this administration won't teach the more complex. >> parts of. >> our history in our. >> schools than we will teach it here at icloud. michelle goodwin, thank you both so much. >> and next, we are unpacking. >> the $340 billion. >> budget blueprint that senate republicans just adopted. this

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>> i was. >> about to say, sir, you don't want to do your best rand. >> paul impersonation. >> you know. >> i was sitting there thinking about it, but i figured, no. >> okay, well, listen, let's look at these numbers. this is from nbc. >> the measure. >> seeks $175 billion for. >> immigration and border enforcement. >> and it calls for. >> expanding the military by $150 billion. this is the part i want to. >> underline, even. >> as trump and elon musk. >> say, they want. >> to cut. costs at the pentagon. >> it also. >> directs committee. >> to find. spending cuts. >> to pay for. i mean. >> i'm not the best at math, but the math is not math. >> it's not math. you know, jasmine crockett went on the breakfast club this week and talked about this. if you're trying to save money in the united states federal government, it's not a medicare. it's not in the veterans department, it's not in the faa, it's in the military. it's the place where we still pay $1,000 for a hammer from time to time. right. so the idea that they're supposedly saving all this money by gutting the budget, but putting together a federal budget that's going to funnel more money into into border patrol and more money into the

military. where are these magical savings that americans are supposed to get? i don't see any of this magical elon musk money coming back to me. i don't see any of these d.o.j. benefits and profits coming back to me. not to mention the fact that, as per the usual, donald trump and jd vance don't really understand the budget process. this ain't going to happen very quickly at all, and you're definitely not going to have that much agreement between the house and senate. >> so. >> jason, i know because you just love it when we have these kinds of conversations about silly people doing silly things. you have trump on medicaid, on fox news yesterday, on tuesday. let's listen to this little fun stuff. >> which medicare, medicaid, none of that stuff is going to be touched. nothing. i don't have to. now, if there are illegal migrants in the system, we're going to get them out of the system and all of that fraud. but it's not going to be touched. >> okay. so he says it's not going to be touched. but yet the house plans to cut medicaid. so what are we to believe here?

first off, mike, i don't know. i didn't hear the president speaking. i mean, i saw this i saw this guy next to him with with hair, but i didn't hear the president actually speak. so we really don't know, do we? because the person who was talking in that interview, who happens to be named donald trump, doesn't really seem to understand any of the systems at play or what's being cut or how where the money is going to go. and the person sitting next to him who is actually running the government of the united states equally doesn't understand what's going on, but he's the one who has the machete in his hands. so that's the problem here. you've got one person who is the titular position of being president of the united states, who has never really had a functional understanding of government. and the person who's actually running the government just wants to hack everything. but, michael, what is clear to the american people is that elon musk understands enough about the government to say that regardless of what happens to medicare and regardless of what happens to the epa, regardless of what happens to the department of education, he's going to make sure that space x and tesla get a whole lot of funding straight out of taxpayers pocket. >> well, i don't. >> know why you were. >> do you. >> want to. >> say something, michael?

>> no. >> go. i was agreeing, go ahead. >> i just, you. >> know, as you were critiquing elon. >> musk, i will. >> remind you. that dc's top federal prosecutor is trying to silence. >> his critics. >> there was a correspondence on doj letterhead. it was dated february 17th and. >> pointed to. >> congressman robert garcia. >> who is often on this program, comments. >> he made in another interview on cnn. earlier this month, in which he called musk. >> a close ally. >> of president donald trump. a d word, and urged democrats. >> to. bring actual weapons to this. >> bar fight. >> i mean, we knew this is where things were headed. >> the republican party is like the living embodiment of the meme. this you right. because this is what they do all the time. all they've been doing is threatening people. you literally have a person in the white house right now who led a riot full of potential terrorists against the capitol building and was threatening people all the time. so it's amazing to me that now that they're in power, they're magically concerned about civility and what's being said. here's the thing as much as i don't like the idea of the president threatening people, this is the classic response you

should have like the governor of maine, i'll see you in court. these are just meant to frighten people. they're meant to frighten journalists. they're meant to frighten politicians. they're meant to frighten activists. but at the end of the day, to the degree that our guardrails are not entirely made up of silly string, silly string and tissue paper, this isn't going to go anywhere legally, and i'm glad that members of congress have not lost their spines, at least some when it comes to pushing back against this administration. jason, on that point, you know, over the last week or so, i think i've made it pretty clear what i think people should be doing right now. and that is to show me you care. right. let's show each other. neighbor to neighbor, community to community that we care about the dismantling of our government. when you have it, the image of elon musk, who again knows jack about federal service, standing on a stage with a chainsaw and acting like a ten year old. and, you know, children with toys, dangerous toys should not be allowed to play. what would you say? right now, communities

around the country should be looking to do to support federal workers who are being laid off indiscriminately, to support the communities that are losing the services that they so rightly need. how do everyday people respond in your view? i am glad you asked that, michael. that literally was what i talked to my students about at morgan state on thursday, because we were talking about the department of education and the cutting back of all these grants and loans that affect schools. step number one, which every single human being can do, which everybody watching this show right now can do is right after we're off the air, you get on your email and you find your local state senator, you find your local state representative, and you send them an email, what are you doing to protect us? and then you send another email to your member of congress, because the part of how we can control things is by getting the men and women who we elected to this position to fight back. they're not hearing from enough of us, and that doesn't give them the strength to protect us and what we need. and i tell you this, i know a lot of veterans were in the dc metropolitan area together. if these government systems fall down, the

consequences for the american people, from the food we eat to the soldiers who come back every single week to the planes we fly will be in danger. get up. make noise like beyonce's song go ape. you get what the rest of the song is and fight back. and you can do that by talking to your elected representatives. >> jason johnson i admire the restraint that that required. thank you so much. all right, friends, it is one of the biggest conversations everyone is. >> having right. >> now the price of eggs. we're going to talk about it with the second largest egg farmer in second largest egg farmer in this country. that is with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, can come and go. but if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there. if you have one or more symptoms, get checked out. making that appointment can help you get ahead of stroke risk.

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down and the bacon is coming down. everything is coming down. >> trump this week vowing to bring. >> down. >> consumer prices. >> including the cost of. >> eggs, which. are at their highest. >> price point in 45 years. >> that's according to the u.s. bureau of labor statistics. but despite his promises. >> relief may not be coming anytime soon. >> a bird flu outbreak. >> that began in 2022 is now surging, adding more. >> pressure to supply. >> and keeping prices high. joining us now, john ross, founder and former chair of the board of rose acre farms, the second largest. >> egg producer. >> in the us. >> john, it's a pleasure to have you on this morning. i want to start with forbes magazine's report on the bird flu out break and its cost to the poultry industry, noting as of november of 2024, the outbreak had cost the country approximately $1.4

billion, the majority of which is for indemnity and compensation payments to farmers for flocks that have been culled, meaning those flocks have been euthanized. clearly, the more recent numbers probably higher. talk, if you can, about the impact that this flu has on driving prices and the impact it's had on your farm. >> yeah. well, first of all, my father founded our family's egg farm in the 1940s, and when he was selling eggs, he was getting $0.50 a dozen on the indianapolis farmers market. if you adjust that for inflation today, that would be over $6.50. but what's happened over time is bird flu and inflation. so we just recently lost 2.5 million chickens at our farm at court acres near where i live here. and yes, the government will reimburse us for the birds they ordered us to kill, but we are not reimbursed for the eggs that

that bird would have laid for the next two years. so it is a you know, it's a major economic consequence for all farmers. it's not just. >> my family's. >> farm, but all. >> farmers across the country are suffering massively. >> because of. >> bird flu. >> you also have. >> the trump administration trying to rehire. >> the usda bird flu officials that it fired. a usda spokesperson told the bbc that although several officials. >> working on bird flu were notified of their terminations over the weekend. >> we are working. >> to swiftly. >> rectify the. >> situation and rescind. >> those letters. >> your concern. >> for your business, for. >> consumers, if. >> if that. >> happens. >> well, you know, president trump talked about bringing common sense back to america. i think that's what he's doing with. >> secretary of. >> agriculture brooke rollins, who was only sworn in on february 13th. you know, nearly a month after president trump was sworn in. you know, the senate has delayed, you know, confirming these major appointments. we need to get the

secretary of agriculture, you know, she has hit the ground running, and they are very quickly now working to develop a bird flu for the strain that is affecting farmers. now. >> on that on that front, though, i mean, connect for viewers out there, the process i mean, you know, something like bird flu people really have paid attention to it and have not connected it to the fact that they're now spending 10 to $12 for a dozen of eggs. how do those prices start to come down for? because donald trump just acts like i mean, he just running his mouth. oh, yeah. i mean, we're going to bring the price of eggs down. well, there's a market here. and their influences on that market talk about that. >> well, it's supply and demand. and what president trump is doing is bringing a vaccine to it. so it's not been officially announced yet, but we believe a vaccine has now been actually approved to be manufactured. and there hasn't been one. so, you know, for instance, this bird

flu virus that's going around now has been affecting poultry farms for going on three years. the last bird flu outbreak that we experienced was in 2015, and that only lasted a year and quickly went away. so it it wasn't a major economic impact. unfortunately, this strain is lasting much longer and it shows no signs of abating whatsoever. we have to have a vaccine going forward. and i think president trump will very quickly do that. >> john, in november of 2023. >> your company. >> was found liable in a price gouging lawsuit. >> those factors are not contributing to the prices we're seeing now. >> what do you. >> see as the responsibility. of the government, as opposed to the responsibility of egg producers? >> well, you know, it's like i said, my father, when he was started selling eggs, was getting. $0.50 a dozen. you know, today, adjusted for inflation, that would be over $6.50. you know, we are working to have the most economical and

eggs for consumers. that's that's our job as farmers. and that's what we want to do. we want to be able to compete. we want to be able to produce farm fresh eggs for everyone. but unfortunately, without a vaccine, we can't do that. so the price is going up astronomically because, you know, so many birds are having to be killed by orders of the u.s. government. >> you know, you you've talked about the vaccine and there, there i guess the question is there are complications with applying a vaccine on, on a, i guess, a standard basis because it may facilitate the asymmetric, asymptomatic spread of bird flu and infect farm workers tasked with administering vaccines. so you do have this delicate balance between trying to preserve your flocks and keep them healthy, but also the welfare of those who have to administer those vaccines and the impact that that could have on them as well. correct? >> yes, that's a major concern.

but, you know, for instance, mexico has been vaccinating against avian influenza since 1995. china vaccinated their commercial flocks against avian influenza, but bans us meat chicken into china because if we were able to vaccinate. so, you know, that's just not fair. and i don't think president trump will be intimidated by china saying, no, you can't vaccinate even though we do. >> all right, john russ, we appreciate you coming on and shedding a little bit of light of the impact of this bird flu on the egg and poultry industry. thank you very much. much more after this. you're watching the weekend. >> puppy pads. >> can leave behind. >> a smelly. unsanitary mess. >> oh. >> but poop. >> potty pads use a pet. >> technology invented. >> for people. >> to deliver. >> a higher standard of wetness and. >> odor control for pets. >> they have. >> a mind boggling.

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chicken for meat, like perdue and tyson foods. they're saying, not so fast because bird flu vaccinations could embroil their export export business worth about roughly $5 billion annually. and if the us begins this idea of vaccinating flocks, countries that import our chickens would then, you know, pretty much be cutting off those u.s poultry supplies because the standards could be different. et cetera. so this market is very dynamic and in this in this space, which is why i was asking, you know, trump said, oh yeah, we're going to bring down the price of eggs. it's not as easy as just demanding chickens lay more eggs. >> it's not. >> that easy. it's also. >> not easy. >> when you. >> are firing. the usda officials who are in. charge of. >> the bird flu. i just had a. >> viewer says there's, you know, there's a coup happening. >> how could. >> you possibly be talking about the price of eggs there?

>> it's all. >> connected, right? >> the fact that. >> he is letting. >> go of. >> experts who. >> were hired. >> in order to take on these challenges. so that then the price of your eggs could come down. >> it is all part. >> of the same story. it's what he campaigned on. >> it doesn't seem to be his. >> priority, though. >> well, but that's the point. you know, people say, well, why are you talking about the price of eggs? well, you voted for him because of the price of eggs. that's why we're talking about it, because the price of eggs haven't come down and the price of eggs can't. just, like i just said, be commanded to come down by ordering chickens to lay more eggs, because there's there are other dynamics involved in how we process our food in this country versus how the rest of the world processes their food. and then even beyond that, and more importantly, to the central point, when you are laying off the individuals in the industry, in the federal government who work with the industry to help us begin to turn the corner so that we can get control of the

prices. yeah, prices aren't going down, folks. it's all connected that way. and it's not just the chickens. wait till we start seeing the impact in other aspects because we have a secretary of health. don't give a damn about your kids health because, you know, we are already seeing, you know, a rise of cases of measles in texas and, and other childhood diseases and other parts of the country. and we haven't even gotten into the full extent of laying off and doing whatever, you know, doge and musk are going to do in the health space. so, yeah, let's start with the chickens, because you're next american citizen. you're next. and that's that's the problem here. when you don't appreciate why those federal employees are in places like the chicken and poultry industry. >> well, that's part of the tell. >> part of the tale is also the fact that while he talked about. >> bringing down. >> grocery prices, he's.

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>> all right, folks, i need y'all to get yourselves together here because we've got some great guests lined up for you. tomorrow we're going to talk to nebraska democratic party chair jane kleeb, colorado attorney general philip weiser, and many more exciting guests will be with us. that starts right back here tomorrow at 8 a.m. eastern. and be sure to follow us on social media at the weekend. msnbc velshi continues our coverage live from miami. he's in miami. take it away, ali in miami. >> i'm i'm a i'm canadian. so i don't the cold stuff doesn't bother me. but it's been so cold in the northeast. i mean, that was my first thought was like, you guys are cold and i'm nice and warm. i don't really care about this stuff. i can get all the way through winter and just not care. but this this year i need a little bit of warmth here. so. but i got a lot of warmth out of your show, so i thank you for that and looking forward to tomorrow with you guys. >> all right my friend. >> all right.