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>> all right. take a look at what donald trump posted on truth social this morning. elon is doing a great job, but i would like to see him get more aggressive. remember, we have a country to save, but ultimately to make it greater than ever before maga. there are so many things wrong with what he said, but let's start with elon musk is doing a great job. for starters, trump and musk have been boasting about doj's supposed success with all their cost cutting across the us government. well, this week doge is bragging about saving $55 billion. but according to analysis from multiple news organizations, that number is wildly inflated. doge claims it saved $7.2 billion by canceling over 1000 contracts. but when the washington post looked closer, they found something ridiculous. many of those contracts were already finished and fully paid. you can't cancel something that's already over. politico found even more glaring

issues. some single pots of money were counted multiple times, inflating savings by two, three or even four times. and doge has already had to correct its website twice. once, around the time new york times caught an $8 million contract falsely listed as $1 billion, and again after it removed a $655 million contract that had been counted three separate times. so much for all of musk's claims that doge provides full transparency. and that takes us to another glaring issue. trump and his white house cannot agree on whether musk is the one actually running those. when trump signed the executive order on day one, he didn't name a leader, just some administrator. on monday, the white house tried to clear things up with a legal filing that read, mr. musk is not the us doge service administrator. but trump keeps contradicting his own administration, and many republicans are following his cues and also crediting musk, opening themselves up to some legal scrutiny. all of this

controversy did not stop elon musk from stealing the spotlight at cpac on thursday with this stunt. >> oh. >> this is the chainsaw for bureaucracy. purge all. ooh, ooh. >> that cringe worthy moment comes from someone who's officially not part of the us government. and worst of all, he is making a complete mockery of the damage his cost cutting has actually done to everyday americans in the real world. remember the second part of trump's post this morning? we have a country to save, but ultimately to make it greater than ever before. thousands of federal workers have been fired in the past few weeks and will now be seeking unemployment benefits. and hours ago, musk tweeted that all federal employees will receive an email asking what they got done last week and a statement. a

spokesperson for the office of personnel management said this summary will be due by the end of the workday on monday, and agencies will determine next steps. and this comes after trump gutted the irs in the middle of tax season, which will likely delay refunds for millions of americans, many of whom rely on that check as their biggest payout of the year. at the usda, crucial bird flu response teams were wiped out. now, the trump administration is scrambling to rehire them. american farmers are also feeling the fallout, as key usda projects have been derailed. the cdc even cut a health care program for nine over 11 first responders. the trump administration reversed it after republicans pushed back. and doge isn't stopping here. in fact, far from it. the department is also going after medicare and medicaid. some americans are already seeing their medical costs spike. then there's the pentagon, where thousands will soon be laid off. a planned mass purge which will make america undoubtedly less safe. the bottom line is this.

elon musk is getting praised by donald trump for decisions that are actively making people's lives worse. and he is treating it all like a game of tossing darts every day and just kind of seeing what sticks out there. but the mistakes, the damage, the backtracking, it's all going to catch up with trump eventually, because a lot of the people suffering from these choices live in the same states that ultimately put him in the white house. joining me now is comedian jason selvig, one half of the comedy duo the good liars. dean obeidallah, msnbc daily columnist and host of siriusxm's the dean of show. and julie roginsky, a democratic strategist and author of the salty politics newsletter on substack. julie, i'll start with you. musk posted on x that federal employees will receive an email asking what they got done last week. he threatened that failure to respond would be taken as a resignation, and shortly after that, nbc news reported those emails started going out already with softer language than what musk used. what is the thinking here? after all the bad press he has received for firing the wrong

people? >> i don't think he cares. i don't think trump cares. >> and frankly. >> i think all of. >> us who are making a. >> big deal out of this are kind. >> of misdirecting our energy because. >> whatever they attest publicly, whatever they say before a judge, all of that is. irrelevant because trump will do whatever. >> he wants to do. and elon. >> musk will do whatever he wants to do. >> the only solution. >> to this? the only solution to this is an election two years short of that. there's really nothing more to be done other than our leaders finally saying very strongly that they will not cooperate one iota with any republican who allows this to go forward. and that means no votes for the budget, no votes for the debt ceiling hike, nothing until this ends. but if we're sitting here thinking that any bad publicity from any of us is going to somehow deter donald trump or elon musk, you know, all they're going to tell us is to cry harder. all they're going to tell us is that they're doing this to own the libs, or whatever other stupid phrase that they all thrive on. because

they're basically 12 year old boys who like taunting, thinking adults. and that's never going to change until they're voted out of office. >> let me just follow up on that really quickly, julie. so where should our attention be right now? is it just simply looking ahead for two years and putting the pressure on democrats to step up to the plate or or what should it be focused on? >> our our attention, of course, should be to expose all of this. our attention should be to speak to trump voters who are going to feel this very, very viscerally, very shortly, if they haven't already, and explain to them that this is the hands of a president they helped to elect. they should maybe rethink that decision the next time an election rolls around. but most importantly, what we should do is not us, but put pressure on our leaders in washington not to cooperate one iota with the republican party on the hill until they who are in the majority put a stop to this. if they're going to acquiesce to this behavior, if they're going to acquiesce to harming their constituents and the constituents of democratic representatives and senators, then there's no way in hell that

we should ever cooperate with them in any single priority that they have, including the budget that's coming up in the next several weeks. >> all right, jason. >> let me get your thoughts on what we saw on over the last couple of days of cpac. i was going to say like on one specific day, but i'll let you kind of take your pick about it. i mean, what do you make of like elon musk with the chainsaw, the president of argentina, who somehow spends a lot of time in america for a foreign leader who's running his own country? i wonder if the constituents in argentina are wondering where their president is, why he's always, like, popping up like inauguration one day, mar a lago the other day, cpac the other. what do you make of it all? >> well, i think when elon musk went on stage and took the chainsaw and yelled chainsaw! yeah, i think that was the moment that elon musk truly became president. honestly, i just want to say this season of america sucks like the main storyline is the richest man on earth, a guy who wants to put implants in people's brain is in the white house with the president, who is a former

competition reality show host. like america feels like it's jumping the shark a little bit. but elon musk, he spent $300 million to help trump get elected. do you think he could buy an actual title? i think trump said he was just a patriot today. and just to just to go in the numbers here. i looked at this earlier. he spent $300 million to help elect donald trump. elon musk has $390 billion. so $300 million is less than 0.01% of his net worth. and if you're a trump supporter and you, your net worth is a $100,000 and you gave trump $10, you would have given more of your net worth than elon musk did. so elon musk is there at cpac, and we were just there yesterday filming. the people there loved him. they were doing it like you're watching that. we're watching this. we're like, this is really cringe. this is hard to watch. people are doing impressions of the chainsaw like it's the coolest thing in the world now. so it didn't turn

anybody off at cpac for sure. >> so that's a i mean, joking aside, that's an important point, right? because now this country is so siloed off in terms of information. so if i was to pick up on what julie was saying and what jason is saying, and we're talking about what elon musk is doing with doge, the numbers, as we just kind of ran through and as the reporters are diligently doing, they don't add up the numbers of what he's saying and boasting about. it's not true. it's not accurate. that doesn't matter, though, to his constituents, because they're hearing it from their side, and their side doesn't fact check it. their side is not trying to hold elon musk accountable or saying, hey, doge is not actually doing what it claims to be doing, and yet we're trying to put a spotlight on it and say to the american people, wait, hold on. this may in principle sound good. everybody wants to cut waste. everybody wants to cut fraud. that's not what doge is doing. >> it's not. and first of all, by the way, the chainsaw. how did the argentinian president get that into the country? did he check that on the flight? was that his carry on? i can't bring any kind of weapon. he's got a

chainsaw. he's the president. >> i want to see you try to get on a plane with a chainsaw. let's see how that. let's see how that ends for you. >> he's going to. >> check you. i got to declare, i got a chainsaw. elon musk talks about transparency. he's wearing sunglasses inside so he can't see his eyes. how about transparency? begins with taking your sunglasses off so he can see how much ketamine that you have ingested. that's what's running doge. industrial strength. ketamine. i love he wants everyone who works for the government to send him an email. there are 3 million government employees. i hope elon musk has a big enough inbox. or his young guys who can go through that and say what they did for the last week. they're going to lie, lie, lie. look at donald trump this week. wednesday. remember the lie about usaid and $50 million condoms going to gaza? we talked about it this week. trump repeated that and literally upped it in his speech, saying $100 million went to hamas for condoms. i'm not exaggerating. that's not a joke. he literally said that wednesday at the event in miami when trying to undermine social security. to me, the bigger concern now is they're using that playbook of

lies to justify cuts everywhere, and they're coming for social security. and people should see that, because donald trump and elon musk talked about 20 million people who are dead on social security. you don't need an act of congress to have trump's security administrator go, oh, millions are fraud. and then the burden is on you to go hire a lawyer to get social security benefits. they know that they're up to no good. and that's why you have the reactions at the town halls. >> they're yelling. and just to be clear, i don't know why elon musk was wearing sunglasses indoors. i mean, that's maybe your theory, but i have no reason to believe that he was saying you're saying it. i don't know. >> what the glasses off. >> you're lying. you want to be transparent? let's see your eyes. >> okay. >> that's a. >> valid question. >> you're just asking the question. >> he's just asking questions. >> i'm sorry. obama's birth certificate. >> attacks me for asking questions. >> but, julie, i do want to get your thoughts about something that dean mentioned, which was social security. obviously, social security administration had just started investigation to someone they believed was sharing information with doge improperly. trump now elevated

this employee to the acting commissioner of the social security administration. >> well, this is what i mean. they don't care. i mean, all the outrage that that that we're all kind of trying to foment here, they don't care the only way that they first of all, trump doesn't care, period. the only people that might care are people who are running for reelection in two years, which is the members of the house or and the third of the senate. they may care. but, you know, i think dean raises a really excellent point, which is that you're going to have a tremendous number of federal employees sitting there writing really heartfelt emails about why their jobs should be saved, and they're going to sit there and page upon page, really put a lot of thought into pleading to save their jobs. but the reality is, nobody's going to read those emails. i hate to break it to everybody who's working on them tonight. nobody is going to read them. and by the way, nothing you say is going to save you. the decisions have already been made. this is done to humiliate you. this is done to make you

think that actually this matters. when it doesn't, they don't care. and that's i guess that's the whole point, right? we're dealing with people who have no accountability. thanks to the supreme court. we're dealing with people who have all the money and power in the world. so they don't really think about the little guy who's making 50 grand a year, who's probably, you know, a third of whom are veterans. they just don't care. and i think that's that's something that that that is most callous part of this is that it's just being done to kind of dance for me. why don't you dance for me, little guy? one of the truth of the matter is, nobody's going to read those emails. they're going to an inbox. if they don't bounce back, they're going to an inbox that will never be opened by anybody, ever. and the saddest part about this is there are people tonight who are sitting there really putting a lot of thought into writing emails, describing what they did this week and how much it matters for this country. and it does. it does, and they won't care enough to even emails. >> i mean, they won't care for now. and let's hope two years from now when these people start losing or when they have lost their jobs in the real life

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video that the official white house account posted on x this week. now, as you watch this, remember the caption described it as asmr, one of those videos that is meant to relax you when you hear it. even if it is unclear for you what the purpose of these videos are. these are videos of people being put in chains as they are being put on deportation flights. it is the twisted humor that appeals to someone like elon musk, and it would only be soothing to the kind of person who enjoys listening to stephen miller, or the type of person who appreciates this type of

message. on valentine's day. roses are red, violets are blue. come here illegally and we will deport you again. that is a real post on the white house's instagram account last week, paid for by you, the american taxpayers. my panel is back with me. so, jason, your reaction to this kind of content, right? i mean, it's, you know, cruelty is the point. they think it's funny. their base is going to eat it up, their base is going to love it. but what kind of sick person do you have to be to think that the sound of people in chains boarding a deportation flight is soothing and comforting to you? >> well, i can tell you exactly the type of person. we were just at cpac yesterday, and we saw a lot of shirts that said ice, ice baby. like with nice old ladies wearing them, sequined shirts that said ice ice baby for ice. and i saw a guy who had an ice jacket and it said ice

immigration. it was on the back two. it looked very official. and i asked him, i said, are you an ice agent? and he was like, no, no, i got this as a joke. do you want to hear the funny thing that i do? he says, i go to home depot and i watch undocumented people run away. when i go inside. he's like, isn't that hilarious? so that is that's the type of person that that gets a kick out of that. some of the people attending cpac and you want to hear the kicker with this guy. he was very happy when trump was elected. why do you think that is? i'll open up to the floor. why do why was he why was he the. >> guy in the. >> ice jacket? >> he was deport everyone. >> the deportation policy. >> because on january 20th, 2025, he was pardoned by donald trump for his role. in january 6th, he was he was sentenced for january 6th. and now he was out. and now this is what they're doing. so it's not just online. >> yeah. >> it's the cruelty is actually taking place in the real world. >> is he allowed to ask questions like that? >> i think he asks questions

you're. >> not allowed to ask. >> he asks smart. >> questions like. >> yes. >> but i you're. >> not allowed questions. >> you're not allowed to ask any questions. >> control the show. >> let me play for you what tom homan, trump's border czar, had to say. he spoke again at cpac. he started his speech with these comments. look. >> i'm happy with the numbers, but i'm not going to be satisfied until. >> every criminal. >> alien gang member, every. criminal alien, every trend that our. >> is. >> is. >> is eradicated. >> from this. >> country and send her to get. mo where they belong. >> your thoughts? >> it's hard to understand. i don't speak white supremacist well, but i understand he's angry about people who are darker than the color of the white house, and he wants them out of the country. that's essentially, to me, that's the trump plan. now for immigration, if you're the same color as the white house, you get to come in because he made the exception for south african white people to have asylum in this country because they're being treated unfairly. but you have to expect more of this because eamonn and jason, i might ask you a question. so focus here. the

reality is, the more trump's approval ratings go down, which they're down. this week we saw quinnipiac, cnn, reuters, mid 40s approval disapproval over 50. to give people context, trump's second term approval rating is now the lowest of any president in their second term since they've done polling. the more of that, the more red meat he has to give the base because inflation is going up, consumer sentiment is down. he's going to do more and more of that. that's what worries me and you. cpac, he called msnbc the enemy of the people. i think he was just talking about this show, perhaps, but. >> he's really trying to get me in trouble. >> and no, he really. >> did not respond to trump's comments. he said, all right. >> i have to say. >> no. >> no, no, i'm joking. >> i'm sorry. >> wait, julie, let me get your thoughts on homeland security secretary kristi noem, who recently announced this nationwide, actually an international one as well, at campaign for people to self-deport watch. >> president trump has. >> a clear. >> message for those that are. >> in our. >> country illegally. leave now. if you don't, we will find.

>> you and we will deport you. >> you will never return. >> so, you know, this is ultimately this instilled fear in a lot of people, of communities in this country. isn't this also alienating a big swath of americans? >> well. >> listen, i think dean had a great point. i hate to follow you, dean, because everything you say is what i wanted to say, but. >> it's. >> rare that dean has so many good points. julie, i feel like you're the only one who feels he makes good points in this. >> place. >> i'm going to i'm going to reiterate one of these points. the problem for trump is that his own pollster, tony fabrizio, put out a poll publicly because apparently that's the only way they can get to trump telling him what people care about in swing states, what swing state voters care about. also trump voters, also all voters. they actually surveyed the swing districts that the cook political report says are up for grabs in two years. and what they found is that, by and large, by an overwhelming

margin. the number one issue was the cost of groceries. it was the cost of living was specifically the cost of groceries. it's inflation. and more and more. trump's base doesn't care about this stuff. they care about the fact that he promised on august 15th that he was going to bring grocery prices down. and i quote on day one, now we're into day 30 or 31, and he hasn't done that yet. and they're starting to feel it and they're starting to really get annoyed, which is why tony fabrizio said that if the election were held today, democrats are up by generic five points in swing districts. so it's absolutely true that the more they can't do anything about inflation, in fact, the more inflation is going to go up because of these deportations, because i don't know if ivanka and jared or whoever is going to pick the groceries that pick the fruit that these people are picking, whether they're going to work in the meatpacking plants. but if they're not, i don't know who's going to do those jobs because americans surely won't. inflation's going to continue to go up. people are going to increasingly get more and more off. and that's when donald trump becomes all the

more dangerous, because when he is going to be cornered and when his numbers continue to go down, god only knows what he's going to do to either lash out at people or to change the subject, and it's going to entail so much more cruelty, so much more awfulness. again, i said this in the first block. he's appealing to 12 year old boys. who does that appeal to? to dumb boys who sit around special k like elon and thinking, this is hilarious. nobody else knows. >> all right, my panel is sticking around after trying to get me in more trouble. we'll still keep everyone in place. next up, flipping the script on republicans floating the idea of republicans floating the idea of a ever feel like a spectator in your own life with chronic migraine? 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. in a survey, 91% of users wish they'd started sooner. so why wait? talk to your doctor. botox® effects may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as trouble swallowing, speaking, breathing,

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and trump himself keeps fanning the flames when it comes to the idea of a third term. he just did it again on thursday as a crowd chanted, four more years. and now, whenever we hear these calls for trump to run again, democrats are horrified. but hear me out here for a second. i got an idea. what if instead of calling trump a wannabe dictator, democrats actually called trump's bluff? what if they got behind legislation to amend the constitution to allow presidents to run for a third term? if they did, they'd be setting up this match up in 2028. 82 year old incumbent donald john trump versus 67 year old challenger barack hussein obama, the two dominant figures in american politics over the past two decades, battling it out for the future of this country. jason, dean and julie are still with me. what do you think of that republican congressman? hold on, andy ogles. so he's introduced legislation or resolution, i should say, to amend the constitution to permit trump to serve for a third term. he has,

however, singled out just trump being eligible to run for this thing he does not want. he does not want obama to do it. he's written it in a way that obama would not be allowed to run again. only trump would be allowed to run for a third term. what do you think the demonstrator do here? >> i mean, look, the thing with calling trump's bluff is if you try and out stupid trump like you're going to get, we all pay the price, everyone pays the price. but like this is popular with republicans, at least right now. and again, this is the first month of a presidency. who knows what's going to happen. but trump has been saying stuff like this, you know, since his first term. he was like, maybe i'll do it, do it. go on for a third term. you know, he does these little trial balloons. he puts them out there, see if his supporters will support him for it. people at cpac, they were all for it. and i would be like, well, what's the what about the constitution? and so it doesn't matter. >> that the constitution could be easily amended. >> it could be a second amendment easily. i know i did

ask somebody about i was like, what about second amendment? like, no, that has to say, okay, okay. it's different. it's different different. but i think you actually would see support from republicans, which which is because the republican party is not the republican party. it's the trump party. yeah. and all the elected officials are scared that donald trump is going to truth about him and ruin their political career. so i honestly could could see it happening. but i don't want to get in a stupid contest. i just don't want to do it. >> julie. check out this photo taken on capitol hill this week of senators mcconnell and jim justice high fiving each other on their wheelchairs. and again, you know, there's nothing wrong with being in a wheelchair. but when you're looking at the, you know, gerontocracy running washington dc right now, barack obama at 67 would be the energetic new kid on the block all over again. >> why are you trying to break up barack obama's marriage like you're completely. >> well, you guys are really like, trying to just like, get me in trouble this like, evening. i'm not. >> michelle obama. >> her worst nightmare would ever go for your scheme. like,

what are you thinking here? barack obama is jetting around, hanging out with jay-z and partying like a rock star. and god knows what. he's spending all his money. the last thing he wants to do is go back to washington and deal with this nonsense. and i'll tell you, even if you wanted to do it, michelle obama would literally lie down in his path and, like, pull tiananmen square before she ever led him to go back there. so forget it. forget it. >> democracy is. >> on the line, julie. our democracy, our our great american american experiment is. >> on the line. >> i know, i gotta i gotta hang out with my girl. i gotta stick up for my girl michelle obama. mrs. obama, i am doing this for you. nipping this in the bud. there's no way this is ever going to fly. and i can't believe i'm a shame on you. shame on you for trying to. >> unbelievable shame. >> shame. >> shame, shame. shame on. >> i'm. i'm leaving. i'm leaving my. >> own show. >> you can. >> you can you can start asking the questions here. >> well. >> that. >> actually brings. >> up a. >> good point there. >> well. >> you could ask more questions.

look, they're not going to amend the constitution. he's just not leaving office. trump is not leaving the presidency alive. i have to be honest. and i don't mean he'll be killed. i mean, he's going to stay in that office until he is dead. he. you think there will be an election in 2028? they will do everything. donald trump talked about suspending the constitution in 2022. in 2020, he talked about the idea of delaying the elections. do you think the gop base won't be on board with it? and this supreme court, if they can find some way to interpret the 2020 22nd amendment to go like, well, they didn't contemplate a term away. so you can do two terms in a row, which that's not at all what they meant. right? they'll do it i have concerns. are we going to have a 2020 election? we have to win in 2026. to julie's point, she makes great points. julie, i got to be honest, you not. >> pile on here. >> but no that's the thing. it's be concerned my friends. they're never going to the constitution. two thirds of the congress and then 2038 states that pass. >> it in this way, julie, where they like, put put aside. i don't know who this guy that we, you know, the head of this project, this third term project that showed up at cpac is but

these ideas sometimes always start on the fringes. and we kind of like, don't take them seriously. we usually like kind of see them in a clip from jason on instagram where he's out talking to someone. he's like, i want donald trump to be the next dictator. and we're like, ha, look at those crazies. but then the idea becomes more mainstream and we wake up one day and we realize, wait a minute, there's actually an amendment now to have donald trump run for a third term. >> well. >> trump was an idea on the fringes and now he's president. so that's. >> what i mean. that's what. that's exactly. >> that's that's exactly what i mean. but so my point is like i'm not i'm not trying to i'm not trying to make light of this. i'm trying to say like, you know, we laugh at this in maybe the early stages when we hear these fringe ideas, we're like, oh, where are our country is above that. our country is not going to fall for it. and yet we're constantly disappointed by what our country can do. >> look, i'm not laughing at it for the following reason i don't think he cares what the supreme court says. the supreme court just gave him absolute power to ignore itself, right? it doesn't matter. and who's literally going to remove him from the

white house? who he's surrounding this whole government with, with complete and utter sycophants. so who is going to remove him when he refuses to leave? dean? is dean again? you're absolutely right. the problem is that nobody this is like fantastic. nobody is going to remove him. and that's the part that scares me because ultimately the supreme court can say what it wants. we can all say what we want. the constitution could say what it wants. he's already ignoring court orders, so who cares? you know, from his perspective it doesn't matter and nobody's physically going to remove him. there's not going to be a military coup that's going to take him out. first of all, because we don't do that in this country. and secondly, because he now controls the military. he's got a chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who said he'd take a bullet for him. he's got his pentagon, you know, head who's a former talk show host. i mean, nobody here is actually going to do any. you know, i mean, gabbard, where she is. so there's no way that he's leaving voluntarily. it's never going to happen. and we have to start thinking very seriously about what happens when there's an election held. if there's an election held in 2018, and by

some chance he loses, which is going to be hard because he's now privatizing the post office, doing everything he can to skew the election against democrats and to rig the system, but assume that there's some pushback where a democrat wins, who's going to get trump out? who's actually going to put him on that helicopter to go back to mar a lago? and the answer is, i don't think any of us knows. >> julie, you have taken so many digs at me this show. i'm going to have to let you go, unfortunately. but i am going to ask jason and dean to stick around. >> we win this. >> do you. >> get this? this doesn't make. >> any sense. i'm sorry. julie, you played a good game. >> but you've been. >> by julie. >> you've been voted off the island. so great. greatly appreciate your time and insights. thank you so much. next up, rfk jr's recent shakeup at the health department comes at the health department comes amid (♪♪) hi neighbor! you switched to t-mobile home internet yet? trim your hedge. it's $35 bucks a month with no price hikes! bam! it runs on t-mobile's wireless 5g network,

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his first week as secretary of health and human services, we are learning of reported plans to dismiss members of the cdc's advisory committee on immunization practices. you guessed it, the outside committee plays a vital role in advising on vaccine approvals and policy. some senior leaders decided to resign preemptively rather than work under kennedy, who is expected to shift resources away from infectious disease research. it's really not a good time to have a smaller public health workforce. a measles outbreak in texas and new mexico has sickened nearly 100 people. and then there's the bird flu, which has become endemic in cows. this is the landscape rfk jr is currently inheriting as the nation's top health advisor. i'm back with jason and dean. your thoughts? >> sorry. >> i was about to sneeze, so i had to get that sneeze. >> i was like, your thoughts are true. >> well, don't. >> be afraid. it's not a bird flu. >> okay, good. >> good good good. >> that would be a good synergy

there. but we were just at cpac, and we saw a lot of make america healthy again hats. like, i think now this mentality, the rfk jr mentality is kind of part of maga now. and we've gone to a lot of trump rallies, cpac, we hear a lot of conspiracy theories. the qanon, the earth is flat. and honestly, rfk jr just fits in with everybody there. like he is a conspiracy theorist. and he is, he is. and you can kind of see these new vaccine theories that always were there with with maga. >> but he's like normalizing them and he's like mainstreaming them a little bit. >> yeah. and he's you know, basically he's in charge of the health of the country with it. so we talked to a woman at cpac who said that she was wearing a hat, and she said that she was excited that rfk jr was going to be in charge of dealing with this measles outbreak in texas and new mexico. i think it's 100 cases now. and she said she hopes that he just puts people with measles, with people that don't have measles, and then they can all get it and then get better, like a kid with

chickenpox basically in the 80s or something like that. so i don't think we're going to be he's not going to be tackling these problems in a in a great way. you're writing down notes here. >> like note to self, avoid. >> texas. >> avoid texas and new mexico while the outbreak spreads. >> yeah. come over here. come in this restaurant. we want to introduce you to somebody here. >> i don't like the fact it's called maha because maha is an arab american woman name. and i have many friends named maha. i like that name a great deal. and he's ruined it. i'm not kidding. he is. you know what's interesting too, is this. got a little press in late december. he is trying to trademark the term maha to sell products, and he actually assigned the trademark application to a friend who's a producer who worked on his campaign. there's so much grift involved here that i don't know where one begins and one ends because he wants to sell health food and that kind of things with the maha brand on it. so part of this is from the trump playbook. it's grifting. it's making money off it without any regards to the people who buy it, think they're going to be safe from measles because

they ate the maha food. that's what we're going with this. >> all you. >> have to do is wear the hat. >> just wear. >> the hat. >> wear the hat. the hat is the immunization. >> exactly. >> think about where we are as a nation, though. like how normalized is this with you so quick? kristi noem earlier, like, it looked like something out of a reality tv show, like a joke. and it's real life. this is what we're living through, this vaccines aren't safe. and he said just this week, i don't rule out i don't rule out ideas just because they're new and just because old ideas are not good by themselves. to my childhood vaccines. but here we go and. >> here's why. and i and i could be wrong, but my theory about these things is that it all comes back to information consumption. right? and i think that these things are so important because at the end of the day, when it comes to rfk jr, he'll say things like, we have an obesity problem and everybody latches on. he'll say, we have so many preservatives in our food. we have red dye, we have all this stuff. and people are like, that's it. we know that. that's correct. and it's not. there's no silver bullet to the health crisis in this country. i mean, you could say exercise is one, urban development is another. people

don't walk enough in countries compared to like european cities or other cities around the world. and yet he'll say these kind of like abstract things, but the details of conspiracy theory, immunization, vaccines, those are the things that people don't delve into, and they just kind of get lost where they're like, oh, well, if he's saying all these things again, it reminds me a little bit of doge in the sense that doge is about fraud and waste and bloated bureaucracy. all americans agree there should be no waste or fraud or bloated bureaucracy. yet this is not the way you go about and do it. >> yeah, and it's like they're very similar. elon musk and rfk jr. like they talk about it. they're very high status. they know everything. and it's the same with trump. like i have the solution for this. i bet you didn't know this. yeah i'm telling you this and you're welcome for me telling you this. and it is down to the algorithm. i think it's like people, a lot of people we've talked to who were supporters of rfk during this last election cycle, they were democrats and they went down that covid rabbit hole

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serving the kids of the us military service members across the globe. it has not been outright banned yet, but the book has been flagged for a compliance review. it turns out that vance's account of growing up in a white working class family contains profanity. it contains references to lgbtq plus community, and some passages that briefly celebrate diversity, at least enough to conflict with executive orders issued by the trump administration. dei has become maga's favorite boogeyman. we all know that. but haven't things gone too far? if trump's own vice presidential book is deemed too woke, jason and dean are back with me. your thoughts jason vance days in the trump administration seem to be numbered. if his books are going to be. if he if he's considered woke and his books are going to be under review. >> he is. >> a tree hugging liberal, it seems like because he talks about diversity in a book, it is very ironic. and it's it honestly is a little bit of an inclusion that we're doing right

now just by talking about jd vance, because he's been kind of the third wheel in the white house between musk and trump in that in that order. yeah, yeah. so i think it's i think it's funny and ironic. and maybe this means vance is going to run as a democrat and just go full force into this in 2028. >> jd vance, the democratic social justice warrior, the nominee for the 2028 presidential. >> it's the woke, right. this is what's happening. it's the woke right. they're waking up and they're like, oh my god, this jd vance mistake. he he referred to people. i think the diversity of white actually expanded like someone was beige. like, that book's got to go. what, are you kidding? no, but he actually did mention, like, black canadian in the book, the daughter of an indian immigrant. and that die doesn't allow that. the idea that's what they want. everything has to be white. i mean, when you teach slavery now, you can't mention the skin color of the enslaved people or the slave owners. that's what teachers have said, that they're afraid of being fired. they literally have to teach slavery in american schools racially neutral. it wasn't. >> about race. it was about

economic development. >> well. >> slavery, that's what they would say. >> where did. >> you study? >> trump university. >> ron desantis, who seemed to think that there was some kind of economic benefit for slaves. >> disgust, disgust. >> let me play for you this clip from senator jim banks at cpac this week. >> he is a. fundamental attack on the american dream. let me tell you, as a son of a factory worker who grew up in a trailer park, now serving in the united states senate. that american dream is very personal to me. die is the biggest threat to the american dream. but the golden age of america means the death of die. >> so not only does the american dream not apply to people of color, who are often the marginalized people in this country, but they are, according to senator jim banks, a threat

to the american dream? >> well, i mean, if you listen to donald trump and you get your news from donald trump, you would know that die caused plane crashes is responsible for probably the economy not doing as well as he would have wished it to be doing right now. so it's a very easy thing for people to talk about, just like critical race theory was. now they have this, this phrase that they can blame everything and make people who voted for trump feel like, oh, this is the reason i am where i am right now. it is. the cards are stacked against me, and you see that over and over again. it's a weird it's weird to see it. more from the critical race theory to die. i wonder what the next thing is going to be, if it's just going to be like outright saying something terrible. i mean, it's kind of what they're doing. >> we're on our way. we're starting with george wallace. >> asking my question again. >> a third time. it's my favorite. >> time, not. >> as a jason silver show. >> duck out of here early. >> yeah. >> it's so with george wallace. segregation today, tomorrow and

forever. right now it's changed to crt band to die bands. they are getting more emboldened. they're going to just say white power. you have elon musk and steve bannon doing the fascist salute. i mean, let's be blunt. this is what we're dealing with right now. and elon musk and pete hegseth, secretary of defense, saying diversity is not our strength. that's one of the worst things to say about the military. do you want an all white military? i mean, that's what you are all white male military. we are moving backwards to society. that's what's really going. it's a push and pull and they want to take us backwards. >> jason, thank you so much for co-hosting the show tonight. >> my pleasure. stay tuned for whatever's next. msnbc come back tomorrow night at seven. >> dean, thank you for being the die for the hour. thank. >> i'm just happy to be here. >> you made some really good points this week. >> apparently you're out. made some really good points. >> from now on, i only want to be with her. >> someone finally thinks you're making smart points around here. you know, greatly appreciate both of you and julia as well. make sure and thank you at home

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