>> yeah. yeah yeah. >> sorry. >> oh i've got to. >> say it i mean this is like the highest compliment possible. there's some john mcclane there, isn't there. there's. >> there's a little bit. >> of die hard in there, is there not? >> well, i. >> jokingly called it. >> dry shod because we. >> were originally supposed to. >> film on the shard. i feel like. it's a real. >> love letter to. >> die hard, except i'm on the outside of the building. >> and that's. >> all the time we have for this weekend. thank you for spending part of your sunday with us. we're back in the chair tomorrow morning at 6 a.m. eastern to kick off a brand new week of morning joe. until then, have a great day. >> good morning. >> it is sunday, february 23rd. i'm alicia menendez with. >> symone sanders townsend. >> and michael steele.

>> new overnight. >> elon musk demands. >> federal employees justify their. >> work or resign. >> the bizarre new email that's unnerving government agencies. >> plus. >> fbi director kash. >> patel also set. >> to become the head. >> of the atf. >> andrew weissmann tells us why that. >> could. >> be problematic and taking the trump administration. >> to court. >> the attorney. >> general of. >> colorado is. >> fighting on. several fronts, and. >> he's here. >> to talk about it. so grab your coffee. settle in. welcome to the weekend. >> executing that project 2025 strategy with donald trump's approval. elon musk wants federal workers to sing for their supper. last night, federal workers received an email asking them to summarize their work from last week. yes. this is this is what happened. the unelected billionaire. he actually posted on his social media site, quote, failure to

respond will be taken as a resignation. just last week, musk referenced his federal workforce purge by bringing a chainsaw on stage at the conservative political action conference known as cpac. as for the president, he called musk a patriot during his speech at cpac yesterday and promised more mass firings overnight. we also heard from former vice president kamala harris. she spoke at the naacp image awards last night in los angeles, reminding us the power is with the people. >> while we have no. illusions about what we are up against in this chapter in our american story, this chapter will be written not simply by whoever occupies the oval office. yes, nor by the wealthiest among us. the american story will be

written by you. yes, written by us. by we the people. >> and joining more of us today, we the people is corey brad schneider, professor of political science at brown university. he's the author of the presidents and the people five leaders who threaten democracy and the citizens who fought to defend it. also with us here in dc is heath mayo, founder of principles first and heath. y'all had a very interesting gathering yesterday over the weekend. lots of i'm looking at all the clips. i'm like as far as they've been outside chris christie. rocking and roll chris christie, he's saying some things. >> that's right. >> it was it's a it's a great. >> gathering over there. we got. >> a packed. >> house at the marriott and people from all over the country. i mean people are frustrated, right? i mean, there's just chaos after chaos. it hasn't been too long, but there's already been it seems like a. year's worth of. >> of. >> nonsense coming out of this white house. so people. >> i mean, i think people have, after november, have kind of caught their. breath and are

ready to jump back into. >> this. >> fray because i think that's what it's. >> going to take. >> corey, i. >> want. >> to start with you on this idea that. the government is our enemy. your book talks about, you know, presidents who have been a threat to our democracy. >> and some would. >> argue we're living through that now. >> particularly when. >> you consider what trump had to. >> say. >> at cpac. yesterday regarding government firings. let's take a quick listen. >> we have a very corrupt group of people in this country, and we're finding them out. we're removing all of the unnecessary, incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats from the federal workforce. that's what we're doing. we want to make government smaller, more efficient. we want to keep the best people, and we're not going to keep the worst people. >> so the best people are. >> only the. >> people that that suck up to donald trump. let's just be straight up about that. what's your assessment of. what we see

happening in this purge and now this nonsensical. email from from elon musk acting like we're in kindergarten. tell us what you did last week. i've seen some. very creative responses to that email over the last 24 hours. how do you assess this moment in the assault on the federal government by this president? >> it is an assault on the idea of american democracy is that we're governed by laws, and. >> those laws. >> are carried out by members of the civil service who take a oath, like the president, to preserve and protect the constitution of the united states and to execute the law. and yet, what this president wants to do is to replace that idea of democracy with one of total loyalty, not to the law, not to the constitution, not to the idea of the united states, but to him. and that's really what this is about. this isn't about efficiency. it isn't about

getting people to do their jobs. it's certainly not about ferreting. >> out corruption. >> it's about taking people who are willing to enforce the law and replacing them with those who will simply do the bidding of the president, regardless of whether or not. >> it. complies with. >> the law or not. >> okay. let's talk about. >> those emails. >> that were sent. >> from the office. >> of personnel management. >> they were shared. >> with nbc news. >> they asked. >> employees to send approximately five. bullet points listing. >> what they accomplished. >> this week. seeing their managers. they set a deadline. >> of monday at. >> 11:59 p.m. eastern. >> notably, fbi director kash patel instructed employees to pause any response to the emails. >> state department. employees were told. >> to do the. same because, you know, you wouldn't. >> want fbi. >> secrets and state department. >> secrets in. >> emails that then could be widely circulated. >> will their incompetence be. >> their undoing? >> i think so. >> look, these guys don't really know. >> what's going on. >> you know, they think. >> they're cute. they think they're trolling. they think that this is a.

>> an exercise. >> in. >> government by, you know, meme. and they think it's they think it's a real funny joke that these. emails are. >> being circulated and. >> they're getting out there and really. >> i think their aim is just to belittle. >> federal workers. >> you know. they come. >> at this from. >> the idea that these men. >> and. >> women who. >> work in. >> the fbi, who have given. >> their lives. >> of service to this. >> country. >> are just sitting. >> around doing. >> nothing that they aren't actually serving the country. >> that's how. >> they. >> think about. >> these people that. >> are. >> serving our country. it's disgusting, quite frankly. it's indignant. >> it's insulting. >> and. >> you know, federal. >> workers. >> you know, i don't know how they're going to really step. >> through this. honestly. >> i feel for them. i don't know how. >> you respond to an email like that. and certainly to your. >> point. >> the threat to. classified information. >> leaking out, i mean. >> you basically would. >> have to. >> just say one, you know, redacted, two redacted. i mean, you'd have to redact everything you're working on for some of these people. >> so it. >> just doesn't make. >> a lot. >> of sense.

>> it makes zero sense. that's why the one of state department employees were told by an ambassador in an email the department would respond on employees behalf, and that no employee is obligated to report the activities outside of the department chain of command, i guess i, you know, can we play what vice president harris had to say? obviously, she was not responding to the firings, but i think this, this, this notion that we all in this moment, people across the country, particularly if you work in the federal government, you know, must be vigilant, need to step up. people are having to make very hard decisions. they're just they really just want to go to work and do their jobs. yet they're now being thrust into all these different directions. i feel like her, what she had to say about liberty was important. here. let's take a listen. >> as the saying goes, eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. the price of liberty. to stay alert, to seek the

truth, and to actively participate in the fight for america's future. >> corey, there are people who work in the federal government all across the country who, again, right now are being thrust into the throes of politics when they literally just want to do their jobs. they have the president of the united states calling them lazy, claiming that they all they want to do is play golf. i mean, i feel like he's projecting. he's the one always at the golf course and their lives and livelihoods are at stake here. what what do you say to people that are scared, that are wondering, well, what what else can we do? >> it is so fundamental. >> that they survive. >> this assault on democracy. we're looking for heroes in this moment. and these civil servants. >> who are. >> really charged with carrying out the law laws passed by the american people, by the way, the clean air act, the clean water. >> act. >> they are on the front lines.

>> of trying. >> to ensure that. >> these laws will. >> be respected and that they won't be. >> run over. >> by a wannabe authoritarian. and let's add it all up. there's going. >> to be statement after statement. >> email after email, executive order after executive. >> order, trying. >> to wear. >> them. >> down, trying to destroy what trump is calling the bureaucracy, what. >> is really. >> our law enforcement branch. >> and yet what they've got. >> to. >> do is see this for what it is that when you add all these assaults up, it really is an. >> attempted coup. >> it's not a violent coup, of course, but there are different kinds of coups. political scientists talk about auto coups and what an auto coup is, is when the president of the united states or a person in power tries to seize and rearrange. >> the law. >> so that it only serves that person, so it only serves trump. and that's what's going on. >> here. >> this attempted auto coup, how do you prevent it? you need those. >> who are. >> charged the more than 2 million people in the executive branch to carry out the law, to refuse to go along with illegal orders and an attempt to really

destroy the system of american government, not just what trump calls the bureaucracy. >> heath, just to pose what what corey just said against the. >> backdrop of. >> principles, first meeting here in washington this weekend, this gathering of democrats, republicans, independent voters, activists from around the country who are who are concerned but fed up and want to do something. talk a little bit about what what you're hearing in the halls where you are relative to what corey has just described? >> yeah, i mean. >> look. >> the people. >> in the halls where i'm. >> at. >> you know, it doesn't matter if they're republicans, democrats, independents, they really are. >> concerned that the. >> fundamental principles that have always defined this. >> country, the. >> institutions that made. >> america, america, are under assault here. >> and it. >> feels different. >> this time, honestly, because. >> the you know, he did. >> get an. electoral majority this time. so it feels. >> like the country.

>> is losing touch with who it is and who we have always been. and so this firing of federal workers, i mean, these people these are our neighbors, right? >> these are not. >> some deep state conspiracy. >> some. >> rando in the basement. >> this is. >> you know. >> an fbi agent coaches. >> your son's t-ball. >> team, right? >> you know. >> somebody who works at. >> the faa. >> is at the pta meeting at, you know, for your. >> for. your daughter's school, right? >> like these. people live next to us. they serve our country. they're patriots. >> they're heroes. is there is there. ways to trim the. >> fat and. >> the federal government? >> yes. >> but you don't. >> do that. >> by disrespecting millions. >> and millions. >> of employees. >> categorically across. >> the. >> entire government. >> and so that's what i feel like people are concerned about that. >> they feel. >> like that there's. >> a. >> meanness to this, a disrespect to their fellow citizens. >> and i. >> think it's going to you've seen his disapproval. >> numbers start to creep. >> up a little bit. i think people are going to say, you know what? this isn't how.

>> we need to go about this. >> i get. the waste, fraud, abuse. >> yes. >> but like. >> this is not america. >> and i think to. >> your point, they know their neighbor who's coaching the little league is an okay gal or an okay. guy and not this person that they've sort of caricatured by their actions right now. heath mayo, thank you so much. my friend corey brettschneider wants you to stick around. next. could the far right cement its resurgence in germany's elections today? we'll, you know, get a live report from berlin to take a look at that. and next, our norm eisen and andrew weissmann, two former federal attorneys, will walk us through all of the mountain of legal challenges facing the trump administration. we're going to do it all right here as going to do it all right here as you're watching the weekend. (man) got one more antoine. (vo) with usps ground advantage, it's like you're with us every step of the way. ♪

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world. in israel, prime minister benjamin netanyahu said he will delay the release of 600 palestinian prisoners tied to yesterday's release of six hostages held by hamas. netanyahu says he wants a new round of hostage releases to be guaranteed before the prisoners are set free. also this morning, the vatican said the pope francis had a peaceful night in the hospital. his doctors say he remains in critical condition after he experienced a severe asthmatic respiratory crisis on saturday. and happening today in germany, voters are casting

their ballots in a crucial national election. the far right alternative for germany, or more commonly called the afd, is surging in popularity. vice president jd vance and elon musk have even expressed their support for the party. nbc's raf sanchez joins us from berlin raf. set the stage for us here. what the heck is happening in germany and what's driving this, this shift to the right? what are some of those key issues that are clearly animating germany's to support the afd? >> michael, that is the question. >> being asked here. in germany. >> across europe and really around the world. >> today as germany. >> goes to the polls in this critical election. some of these issues are going to sound familiar to. >> folks back home. >> voters are very. >> frustrated about the economy. germany has been in recession for two years now, and the current government, led by the center left, seems to be unable

to get the economy. running hot again. >> but also. >> immigration is really at. >> the top of the agenda. you remember. >> ten years ago, angela. >> merkel took in. >> some 1. >> million. >> refugees, many of them fleeing from syria. that was controversial at the time, but many voters have really, really soured on it since them. and guys, there have been. >> just a. >> string of. >> attacks. >> almost one after another, committed either by migrants or. >> by. >> refugees in the last couple of weeks. so that has really supercharged this. issue in the election. you might remember there was a car ramming at a christmas market in the city of magdeburg in december. we traveled there. we found. >> there was a. >> real air of suspicion, even hostility towards migrants in that city. a lot of people. >> told. >> us they were planning to vote for the far right. we spoke to one man. his name is omar awani. he came to germany as a syrian refugee. >> ten years ago. >> today he is a citizen. and we asked him. >> what his. >> message was to his fellow

german voters who were thinking about voting for the far right. take a listen. >> you should think. >> about the future. >> of you and. >> your children. >> you should think about this country, what this country build on. at the end of the. >> day, this is a democratic land. this is a. >> democratic country. >> you can. vote for whichever party you. >> want, but you should really think about the future. so this is a refugee. >> who became a citizen. he works for the public. transport system in magdeburg. he is. >> a. >> productive member of society, and he is really appealing to his fellow german. today to think long and hard before they cast their ballots for the far right guys. >> ralph. >> your sense of the impact trump. vance must have all. >> had on this election. >> so, alisa, just in the last couple of. >> hours, elon. >> musk reposting. >> a video from one of. >> the most. >> extreme members of the afd, a man who a german court has said can be legally defined as a

fascist because of his views. the world's richest man, a prominent member of the trump administration, openly reposting that content. every indication we have right now is that vance and musk's intervention not making a huge impact on the polls. they've been pretty steady for months now, but after the election, these parties are going to go into these complicated negotiations. the mainstream parties have said they will not work with the afd. they will not include it in the government. but the fact that the afd now has this stamp of legitimacy coming, it seems almost directly from the white house, may lead some lawmakers on the right to begin thinking about whether there is potential for cooperation with the far right guys. >> nbc's rob sanchez for us in berlin. thank you very much. corey brettschneider is back with us. corey, you know, i think that when it comes to specifically what happened, what has been, you know, bubbling up in the united states for the last couple of ten years,

frankly, even when before when donald trump came down that golden escalator in 2015, 2016, there is this idea that what america is going through is unique. when if you really look at what's happening across the globe, there has been this anti-immigrant sentiment that has definitely bubbled up in europe. it happened in all throughout the european union. that's how giorgia meloni got elected. frankly, there have been challenges to macron leadership in france. and now we have what's happening in germany. and, you know, germany is important not just to, i think, our global economic conversation, but specifically ukraine. they are the second biggest weapon supplier to the ukrainians after the united states. so put this into some context for us about really what is happening across the globe and how it's not just in this bubble of the united states of america. >> i think it's so important for us to focus on germany in particular, because. >> the germans.

>> have an idea of. militant democracy and what that means. it's at the foundation of. >> the current. >> german democracy, and has. >> been since hitler. >> and the idea of militant democracy is that democracy is fragile, and it has to be defended in strong ways against its opponents. and the idea comes from a concern about the way hitler rose to power, which was through weimar democracy. he used the tools of executive orders, of legislation of all the normal things of democracy to destroy it, and, of course, bring about the worst evil that the 20th century had seen. >> and the. >> worst evil that we've seen really. in world history. and that didn't come from nowhere. it came from within democracy. so the lesson of germany is a lesson for us, that when we see these executive orders that are really trying to usurp congress, to destroy the lawmaking function of congress, to destroy the protections of the civil service against political firings, and then the vicious anti-immigrant, of course,

executive order on birthright citizenship, which is clearly an assault on the law, clearly unconstitutional. >> why do all of that? >> it is a threat to democracy. now it can be stopped. unlike the german model. but we need to take their warning that they take so seriously, seriously. >> here. as well. >> corey, brett schneider, thank you so much for your insight and for being with us this morning. next, trump's plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants. it has started to take shape. you're watching the take shape. you're watching the weekend. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! dessert bar. everything. fork.

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address a shortage of space for holding vast numbers of people they hope to arrest and deport. but it also raises questions. >> about redirecting. >> military resources and training schedules. with us now. >> is a department. >> of homeland security and. immigration reporter with the new york times. >> omid, welcome. you know, man, i tell you this, this piece, simone touched on this in our last segment about, you know, how all of the pressures that we're seeing generated by this administration with these, you know, harebrained emails to federal employees to, you know, tell us what you did to what we heard yesterday at cpac from border czar tom homan. let's listen to what he had to say about sanctuary cities. >> into sanctuary cities. game on. because pam bondi's back in the place and. >> kash patel. is back. >> running the fbi. i'm afraid i'm gonna have a heart attack one of these days because it just keeps getting better.

sanctuary cities are a sanctuary for criminals. >> that's that's just bogus. lying straight up. you know, but here's the point. to continue to pressure the narrative about the, you know, the criminal element of the migrant community now setting up these, these military style detention centers. what's your reporting telling you about how this is playing out in the various states? and what are some of the signs that there may be some resistance to this idea? >> well, i think what the military sites provides the trump administration is extra detention beds, extra detention facilities. right now, ice is limited. with the funding that they have from congress. they can only hold around 40,000 immigrants per day. so that doesn't really help the trump administration in their grand goals of, you know, millions of deportations or even hundreds of

thousands of deportations. so they need extra space. but when you look at at the sanctuary city issue, i think the reason they're pressuring the sanctuary cities is the way to get deportations up is to go into jails and pick up immigrants from jails. it's easier. it's more efficient. and that's the way the obama administration boosted their numbers. so i think that's ultimately where a lot of this pressure is coming from. is that tom homan, who served in the obama administration, was a career official during that time, understands that getting into the jails is the only way this administration is going to boost their numbers. >> amid what is currently happening, oftentimes feels like something out of a movie, but it is real life. you had a byline on a story from wednesday, and the headline was migrants deported to panama under trump plan detained in remote jungle camp. it reads some, including a group of iranian christians and

a man from china, told the new york times that they risked reprisals if returned to their native countries and have refused to sign documents that would pave the way for their repatriation. under iranian law, converting from islam is considered apostasy and is a crime punishable by death. repatriation for folks out there is basically being sent back. you've got that happening. and then you've also got the trump administration this week canceling temporary protected status for haitians in this country who have been there. they were legally here under temporary protected status. and because the trump administration has now changed the policy, those folks are now considered undocumented. therefore, under the trump administration, they are here. they are criminals, and people from haiti are being going, gone after. can you just talk about what is really happening? because i think people think, oh, you know what? this is just people who are crossing the border in mexico, and that is not what we're talking about here exclusively.

this is across the board. >> well, the trump administration is trying to do is really attack the immigration system in all facets, right? they want to close the border and not allow people to seek asylum at the southern border. at the same time, they are very skeptical of these programs, such as temporary protected status, and are looking for ways to strip people of this status. and ultimately, what that means is more people potentially in the country who are undocumented and a border that doesn't allow for people to come here and seek protection and asylum, like those iranians who had escaped their country and were looking for a place to practice their religion, christianity, freely. >> i want. >> to pick up. >> on. >> the reporting from. >> wednesday with your reporting. >> from tuesday. >> hopefully we have some of those images of folks who are actually trapped. inside a hotel in panama. you can see them there. a lawyers in panama say it is illegal to detain people without a court order for more than 24 hours, yet 350 migrants

deported by the united states on three military planes have been locked in a soaring, glass paneled hotel in panama city for nearly a week, while officials ready a camp near the jungle. i think the images that you have managed to capture are important. i think the story that you are telling here is important. these are people who lived in our community. these are people who. escaped their home country because home was not a safe place. and now the united states, a place that has prided itself on being a place of refuge and safety for those around the world, is sending these people back home to danger. that is the reality of what this administration has chosen to do. as you spoke with some of those migrants, as you have spoken with some of their families. talk to me about the ties they have to communities here in the united states. >> well. >> i think one thing that's really important is that these people, particularly the iranian

christians, they came to the united states because they saw a place to practice their religion freely. they they saw opportunity here, and they saw a chance to live under a government that would allow them to be express themselves freely, unlike in iran. but ultimately, this group of people, they had recently crossed the border. they were turned back because under the trump administration, there is no access to asylum at the southern border. there is no opportunity for them to seek protection in the united states. and now they're in panama. this unprecedented deportation flight there in panama. >> ahmed ali aziz, thank you so much for bringing us your reporting. next. with a number of public. >> health concerns. >> facing the nation and the trump administration cutting back the federal response. doctor kavita patel joins us to tell us what we need to know. you're watching the weekend.

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meanwhile, on farms nationwide, bird flu is spreading like wildfire among livestock as the outbreak reaches a very critical point. just when we need it most, donald trump's federal budget cuts have slashed funding for the national institutes of health, potentially crippling research and response efforts in the face of these growing outbreaks, not to mention what is happening at hhs. joining us now to discuss is msnbc contributor and former white house policy director doctor kavita patel. and it's important to note, doctor patel, you are a real doctor. >> yeah, she's a real doctor who brings real common sense to the conversation. doctor patel, you know, there's been a lot that's been made about bird flu and the seriousness of that seriousness of that. we had john rust on yesterday. who's the head? you know, head of the second largest egg producer in the country talking about the impact of that. but little noticed is what's happening in places like texas and other, you know,

communities around the country that are beginning to experience outbreaks not just of measles, but other childhood related diseases that guess what? donald trump and health department we dealt with. what's your assessment of how this is going to play out with a department of health? that, and as simone noted, administration policies that are cutting the research dollars, cutting the funding mechanisms that would support healthier communities. >> yeah. >> i think so. several things are. >> happening all at once. you've got. outbreaks of. >> as you mentioned, diseases. >> that. >> candidly. >> most. >> doctors don't. >> even recognize anymore. i think if a case. >> of measles. >> walked in. >> to gw or georgetown, i know that somebody. >> might think. >> about measles. >> now, but. >> it's not something that. >> we. >> often think about or. >> see presentations of. and it's. >> pretty critical. >> to just kind of note that second is not just what you. >> said with. >> like.

>> a brain. >> drain from people who are kind of being. >> you know, left off because they were. >> probationary or. >> die hires. >> but it's also the kind. >> of lack. >> of. >> trust in what's. >> actually. >> on the. cdc website that. >> used. >> to be. kind of a. >> trusted website. >> and as. >> as both of you, as alicia, everybody knows. >> they scrubbed. >> the sites, took down a lot of information, and. >> it's. >> not clear. >> if all the. >> pages are back. >> there's kind of an. >> effort that a lot of. >> academic and societies are trying to get together to see. >> what information is missing. >> it's largely. >> around gender and equity. but in this case. >> when i. >> go. >> to cdc.gov, do. >> i. >> can. >> i trust. that info? and that's. >> calling into question. so if the. >> very. >> information that. >> guides our. >> clinicians is coming into. >> suspicion. >> and then we. >> also have. >> outbreaks because people. >> have been now for decades. >> not trusting. >> vaccines, but it's kind of reaching a boiling point. and then you don't have a workforce that can deal with it both whether it's. >> federal. >> state. >> or local, because those funds have been cut. >> and the federal workers. >> that oversee. >> it have been cut. >> then you have a. recipe for

disaster in texas. we don't know where those 90 cases are going. >> to top out. >> measles is so infectious. one person has it that if they're around ten people who are unvaccinated, nine out of ten people will get it. it is one of the most. infectious viruses that we have, and that's real. you put it into a room and it's a it's a powder keg. >> doctor patel, let's talk about that boiling point, as you called it. you have rfk jr making his first anti-vaccine moves. this is from the wall street journal. news reports this week say he's preparing to sack members of the centers for disease control and prevention's advisory committee on immunization practices. this is the group that decides whether and how to recommend vaccines for the public. so if those folks go, who fills that void, doctor patel? >> yeah. >> so i. >> think this is pretty important because most. >> of the. >> time we don't really follow. like what are the like processes behind getting a vaccine that's been evaluated and approved. we just kind of take it for granted, to be honest. and so what they did in just making this move on, both delaying this meeting. >> and announcing.

>> that they're going to be replacing some of these advisers. >> these. >> are not. >> you know, just kind of people that randomly showed up on a committee. these are people who have had decades of academic research and real science behind why they are sitting in those roles. and so the idea that they could be replaced, quite possibly and quite likely with people who have pretty idealistic notions like that vaccines are not safe, for example, and we have plenty of people in the rfk sphere who could come in and say on an advisory committee, well, here's all the science around why this vaccine is not safe. and you can take punches at that science. but at the end of the day, you've got an advisory committee. but remember, all of this then goes to a cdc director. that might be the most important position, because the cdc director actually has the final power to say, i'm going to take these recommendations or i'm not. and then the cdc director, we've got somebody in the nominee. we have somebody who has been clearly anti-vaccine for decades. back when i worked on the hill, he was a representative that was incredibly, very vocal about the

safety of vaccines back then. and that's not to say there's not true issues and that there might be issues. every vaccine has kind of an incidence that we have to watch for and warn patients about. but it's becoming replaced with this concept that no vaccine is safe and that you can't really trust even your doctors when they put the vaccines in front of you and offer you the idea of getting prevention for these diseases. >> i mean, okay, doctor patel, so the guardian reports that there's been about 972 cases of the bird flu in cows, 89 cases in cats. this is all happening amid a purge of experts at federal agencies, including employees who were responding to the avian influenza outbreak at the cdc. you got that and you've got this measles outbreak. my question is if you've been vaccinated for the measles already, like, should you be concerned about this? because i thought that if you got vaccinated, it's all good. this is about people that haven't been vaccinated, but maybe not.

that's not the case. and then can people get bird flu? because what is going on i think people really want to know are they safe right now. >> right. so maybe we'll start with bird flu because that's much more straightforward. there have been no cases of human to human transmission. that's what we're all watching for very closely. why? because once it's in kind of human to humans, right now, we have very in almost all cases, we have very direct ties to some exposure to some sort of either sick animal or somebody else who is sick that not a human, but some animal. >> a cow or a cat. >> yeah. domestic cat. i just want to say like, you know. >> drink your raw milk. >> though, right. so something, some something that you can trace and tie. if we saw human to human transmission, that would indicate two things. one, that the virus is changing and that number two, the threat is much more kind of high. because even if you did as a human get a case of bird flu from an animal, majority of those cases are mild. it's not something as serious. but we already had a death in louisiana. so we've got cases that are serious and they're usually in people who

are immunocompromised. so no, nothing that people should do about bird flu for the majority of the public unless you actually do work with animals. and i would say if you have domestic cats, have a closer reign in on domestic cats because we have seen the transmission in cats coming from probably dealing with infected birds or other animals, and then coming into the household and exposing humans. so that's probably the most practical advice. and then don't drink raw milk, because we know that it can be carried in milk as well. so those are practical things. wash your hands when you treat chicken, bake your chicken. you know, get all those things that we would normally tell you before bird flu and then measles. you're right. the majority of americans, if you've received your two measles shots, that's about 97% effectiveness. it's one of the highest, most effective vaccines we have. however, there are periods of people who had received a certain version of the shot in the 60s, 70s and 80s. they might benefit from a booster. you don't need to get your blood work checked. you just need to present to the doctor and say,

listen, i was vaccinated during this time period. do i need a booster? probably say yes. and then if you're older and immunocompromised, you may want to have a conversation. and then for children, we can give this to children as early as six months. first shot 28 days later second shot. so if you have a young child and you're going to a cruise, disney world a big gathering, it's worth probably thinking about having that conversation with your pediatrician. >> you should take care of the health of your children and ignore the stupidity that's coming out of this administration with respect to vaccines. >> listen to doctor patel. thank you. listen to. doctor patel. doctor kavita patel, take. >> care of your children, people. don't you know? stop it. >> folks. coming up is elon musk. doge impacts voters across the country. colorado attorney general phil weiser will join us to talk about how he is fighting back in the courtroom. and be sure to follow our show on social media. our handle everywhere is at the weekend everywhere is at the weekend msnbc.

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>> follow her. >> podcast, trumpland with. >> alex wagner. >> powerful message there from former vice president kamala harris. >> it was powerful. you know, these are one of the other things, she said, because i caught the image awards last night before i actually tried to go to sleep a little early. and she talked. michael was up. she talked about that. we have been here before. we as a people to and i mean, the naacp image awards is a room full of folks who have there in the media, there in entertainment. it is a predominantly black room. okay. and she said, we have been here before. we know what to do. we have the tools. like it is on the people. and i think that that needs to be stressed now more than ever. it is on the people. and i talked to a bunch of i was texting with a bunch of folks who were there. and they said, you know, people were very happy to see her. she looked

great, but they she her message was what they needed in the moment. >> yeah. >> michael. >> no, i. >> you know, i just really hope all of this is, is really starting to resonate with people. i mean, that conversation with doctor patel was sobering. i mean, when you stop and think about the nation's health and specifically the health of our children, what the vice president said was sobering. when you talk about the threat that was at one time at our gate, as as i've said before, is now inside our house. and we talked about in, you know, at the beginning of this hour, this idea of a militant democracy, right. and so we have, i think, in this at this moment, alicia, a real challenge in front of us. and i don't know how many of our neighbors are willing to step up to that challenge. and as as these storylines begin to unfold and envelop us, the treatment of our

federal workforce, folks, you know, this is what's coming next for you. this is you know, it's about, you know, talking about the break. you know, these guys are they're serious about this. >> yes. this is not a this is not a theoretical theoretical exercise. and there are people that are going to say we are being hyperbolic and we're being dramatic. and literally i did i did meet the press now on friday and the there the gentleman was there who's a republican strategist who's a very nice man named lance. i was taught he said. i said, well, donald trump is joking about, you know, staying in office another, another four years. and he's like, do you really think he's serious? i mean, what is he going to do? just stay there? i said, no, i, i think he's going to do is to throw it out there and get people to put a bill forward, like tom massie, who has put a bill forward. and i said, i think we are far past the time for people to just say, oh, the president is just joking. oh, these republicans

aren't serious. oh, people are being dramatic. we have to take this serious. >> i don't. >> know what else you want people to want to see happen before you realize these folks are serious? >> i do want to answer what was perhaps a rhetorical question that you threw out, michael, was this question of whether or not we have enough countrymen who are willing to step up and say and do something about it. and i do think what we have been seeing in these town halls, in republican districts where you have folks showing up and saying they're not with doge, they are not with republicans. current position on russia and ukraine. the fact that they do not want a king for a president is the beginning seedlings. and i get that. we have to be clear about the urgency and about the severity of the moment that we find ourselves in. but i also think we need to hear words like what we heard from the vice president, which is this is the price of democracy being ever vigilant. and there are some of us who never stopped being vigilant. but as there are others who are come to the table and are ready to be vigilant, we've got to welcome them. >> and i think, you know, as we

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