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they're sensations too. get started today at. >> sitter city. >> welcome back to the weekend. so federal workers were hit with even more chaos thanks to the trump administration. yesterday, federal workers received emails demanding they justify their work over the past week or resign. the deadline for listing off five bullet points is tomorrow night. elon musk posted on x that failure to respond would be taken as resignation. nbc news reports the state department and fbi have instructed employees not to respond to that email. fbi director kash patel saying the

fbi will review the work of its own employees in accordance with its own procedures. joining us now, executive chair of state democracy defenders fund, norm eisen, who is representing government employees seeking a court order against elon musk's actions with doge. he's former special counsel for president barack obama. also with us is our friend, msnbc legal analyst and former fbi general counsel andrew weissman. >> former counsel for the fbi. let me just ask you, one of your employees gets an email saying, please detail for me what you did in the last week. what would your counsel be to them? >> well. >> i. might have. >> some private. >> snarky things. >> to say, but. so after i got through. >> the jokey part. >> of that. >> i mean. >> this is so juvenile. >> first of all. >> it's not coming. >> from within the agency. >> or with any sense of blessing. and that is why you are seeing. agency heads going.

>> i'm sorry i run this agency. >> not elon musk. >> and in some. ways it. >> allows the agency head to sort of curry favor with their own employees because they look like they're protecting them from elon musk. when i don't really think. that's what's going on, this just seems like. >> an. >> incredibly juvenile tool. >> the part that just to get. >> to the legal part to be nerdy. the idea. that if you don't fill this. >> out, you're. >> going to be fired. it's resignation. >> that's not legal. >> that's that's not how you fire people. and you can't under civil service rules. so that would not hold up. but i think this is going to be one of these stunts. >> that. >> people view as. >> the chaotic. >> misfire of trump 2.0. >> where you think that. >> they are they have. >> their ducks. >> in a row. that's the polite term. and they really don't know. >> how does this play into the lineup of issues you're already gathering and detailing for

federal employees who are looking to bring civil actions. how does this fit into that narrative as evidence with respect to the issues that you're addressing? >> the constitution. >> provides, michael. >> that anybody. >> who exercises the kind. >> of power that. >> elon musk. >> is purporting. >> to exercise. >> has to either be elected by the american. >> people as. >> president or vice. >> president. >> or they have to be. confirmed by congress. it's called the appointments clause. no principal. >> officer of the united. >> states are. >> allowed to do this. but we know donald trump and elon musk have. >> shredded the. >> constitution and law over and over again. we have a. >> lawsuit that. >> says elon. musk is. >> violating the. >> appointments clause. and they just gave us a bunch more. >> exhibits with this illegal instruction. >> elon musk. >> has no power to. >> do this, and we're. >> going to argue to the court. on friday. it will be fully briefed. we're going to argue to

the court. >> that this is an. example of elon musk's. >> unconstitutional behavior. and it's. >> just not right. >> and it's jerky. >> what kind. >> of new boss comes in? >> we got. >> to make. >> the horrible. >> bosses part three. >> they got. >> to make a sequel. >> the guy is terrible. >> not even the boss. a middle manager that's been on the job for about a month. not telling you that on a saturday. asking the people to tell him what they did this week. it is. it is insane. it is jerky. but i also think the trauma is the point. donald trump, the president of the united states, was at cpac yesterday, and this is what he thinks of people who work in the federal government, the civil servants. he talks about draining the swamp. take a listen. >> we're draining the swamp, and we're restoring government by the people. for the people. we have a very corrupt group of people in this country, and we're finding them out. we're removing all of the unnecessary,

incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats from the federal workforce. that's what we're doing. we want to make government smaller, more efficient. we want to keep the best people, and we're not going to keep the worst people. >> this is what the president of the united states feels about the civil servants all across this country, the people that worked at nih, folks that worked at usaid, people who currently you pick an agency, department of housing and urban development. and i'm reminded andrew weissman, that in project 2025, we're going to keep taking it back there, because this is the strategy that is being executed. elon musk is executing the strategy that russell vogt put together, and the president endorsed this. russell vogt said, we want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected because they are increasingly viewed as villains. we want to put them in trauma. the trauma and the chaos is the point. >> i couldn't agree with you more, and i think it's great that you're connecting it back

to project 2025 because, you know, during the campaign we heard so much about no, no, no, ignore that. that's not what's going to happen. and it's exactly what is happening. and it's really not about just saying, oh, i want to make government more efficient or i want the sort of worst of the people who are sort of incompetent, and we want to sort of hold them to account. that's not what's going on. when you get rid of people who protect nuclear power plants, and then you have to rehire them. that's not because you're doing some very scalpel like triage of the people who really can be let go. this is really about eliminating civil service. so that that's another check. on the. executive branch. it's a check on people who have an oath to the constitution and the rule of law. you don't i mean, i always give this example, which is if you're rounding up the sort of 5000 people at the fbi who worked on the january 6th investigations and prosecutions,

crimes that we all saw with our own eyes. that is not rounding up people who are incompetent and are part of the deep state. those are people who are doing their job for the american people. so, you know, i just, you know, what you're hearing from donald trump is really just a whopper in terms of, you know, what is going on here. it has nothing to do about making the government more efficient. >> well. >> on one hand, they want to contract the administrative state. on the other hand, they also want to consolidate power. that's part of what you see with kash patel taking over the atf, becoming its director. this from nbc. trump earlier this month signed an executive order to halt existing policies designed to curtail the clear right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. a white house release on that order accused the atf of unfairly targeting gun owners. this has been a priority of republicans for years. talk to us about what that does to make americans more or less safe.

>> well. >> it makes americans much. less safe. the dismantling. >> of all of. >> these protections. >> firing the bird. >> flu inspectors, that's putting. >> us all at risk. we've seen. those traumatic. >> fires in los angeles. >> they're removing. >> firefighters all over the country. >> so it's going to have a devastating effect. the faa cutbacks. >> and we already. >> have an epidemic of gun violence in our country. >> do we. >> really need. >> to loosen. those rules more? >> do we need. >> more school. shootings because of. >> this chaos? >> and at. >> the. >> fbi. >> we at democracy defenders have also sued. and we. >> got a court order because. >> of the rampant illegality. >> you cannot. >> target these approximately. >> 6000 men and. >> women who simply. >> enforce the. >> law against. >> violent insurrectionists. >> including those who. >> attack cops. we went to

court. we've done that. >> filed or. worked on. over a. >> dozen dozen cases, and courts have. uniformly said this. >> is illegal. so you can expect. >> litigation about this unwinding of. >> common sense. >> practical gun. >> safety that all americans. >> a. >> majority of. >> americans want. they're going. >> too far. >> again and again and again. >> it's almost. >> like they're. >> attacking the. >> american people. >> andrew. andrew. >> i want to we spend a lot of time right now in sort of the disaster space. you know, this is like one of those epic disaster movies where all the stuff gets blown up and, you know, cityscapes are falling and there's fire and pillaging and plunder. but we never see the other side, the rebuild, the reconstruction. i mean, even in real life, in war torn areas, that the process of rebuilding. what, in your estimation, does the other side of this look like when this when we are now in

walking amongst the ruins of this hellscape that's being created by maga and elon and trump in a future administration. what does our federal workforce look like and how does it get reconstructed in your estimation, particularly some of the agencies that you've been attached to and worked with over the years that play such a crucial role? the fbi, the justice department, for example? >> michael, i think that is. the question. when you think about the next administration, whether it be sort of what i'll call a rational republican or a rational democrat, as opposed to what's going on now, the issue is, let's say you're coming in to the fbi or the department of justice, and it's been filled with people who are unqualified, who are partizan hacks. and it's going to be very hard for that next administration not to want

to clean house in the way that you're seeing now. but that's would be, in my view, sort of in violation of civil service rules and trying to reinstitute norms so that that sort of tit for tat is something that is going to be very, very hard for a rational administration to resist or figure out how to deal with. and the second issue is how to attract people. and, you know, if you are thinking about going into government and you don't go to government because you're thinking this is a high paying job, you go because you are patriotic and you think it's important to government service. you have to be thinking, i don't want this. if every four years this is what's going to happen. if i'm going to be vilified for working on a righteous case, for any case that is remotely quote unquote political, or that the administration thinks is political, you don't need that headache. you're going to be thinking, you know, the private

sector is fine, thank you very much. i'll make just as much money. and i don't need to be vilified publicly and targeted. so i think both of those are going to be the real challenge. and it's and for people who have worked in government, it is heartbreaking to see what's going on because of the exactly the issue that you've identified, michael. >> how can i, as someone that has has worked in government, but as a political appointee, i can say that it is. it was the civil service, federal government workers who had the continuity, who had the institutional knowledge, who when we would want to do something, you know, whether it's with the state department on a trip or something domestically, there was always a civil service person somewhere there to say, well, let me just give you the historical context. that's not how we've done it before. you could or actually, no. so i think it is an important check on the political appointees, people who don't care, who don't have an

allegiance to this party or that party that have an allegiance to the work. and what they are doing is intentionally destroying. they're destroying the federal government. and we should just say that because that's what they're doing. they want to break it to a point where, to michael's point, there is no other side of it, because you won't able to put it back together again. >> andrew weissmann, thank you both so much for being with us. you can hear much more from andrew on msnbc's main justice podcast that is available wherever you listen to podcasts. next, colorado attorney general phil weiser joins us to discuss the work he's doing to push back against trump's dangerous agenda. you're watching the agenda. you're watching the weekend on msnbc. with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, can come and go. but if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there.

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the president in check, especially in colorado. the state's attorney general has been involved in about nine lawsuits against the administration in just less than a month. these range from issues like gender affirming care to doj's access to payment systems, to medical research and more. so joining us now is colorado's attorney general, phil weiser. thank you, general weiser, for being with us today. >> good to see you, general. i guess my question is, as i'm looking at all the cases kind of play themselves out, and we had norm eisen here, who's the tip of the spear on a number of these cases that are hitting the courts? is there are we sort of deluding ourselves to think that the these cases, that the courts will actually be that bulwark against what we see happening? or is there some real. valid expectation that the courts will hold the line against the assault on the constitution, the

halt, the halt on the civil liberties and rights of federal workers, etcetera? >> michael, i. >> i. >> have hope for the courts, for the constitution. >> and for our great. democratic republic. >> the signs thus far are. >> i'll call it. >> mildly encouraging. >> we have this case. >> as you. >> noted, where the so-called department of government. efficiency has had access to sensitive. >> financial information. >> people, social security records, bank accounts, and it was done without the traditional safeguards and without oversight, so that we're not sure even to this day, what happened to the data. we've got a court order in place, a preliminary. injunction that bars the doj's officials from accessing. >> this data. >> and the. >> justice department has indicated compliance. >> with that. >> we had another case involving the. >> funding cuts that were done unilaterally without legal authority. we went to court. we got. another order saying, you can't cut unilateral. >> funding programs. >> for. meals on wheels or. >> for victims of domestic

violence. >> or drug task forces, and more. there's indications those orders are being followed. and then as. >> for. >> what the courts will do, take the. >> case of birthright citizenship. >> which is. >> plain in the 14th amendment, the courts that have. >> looked at it have all said this. >> is a. >> fairly clear case, and they've stopped. >> it. >> from going to effect. >> i believe. >> the supreme court will reach. >> that conclusion. i recognize. >> that we do have statements from. >> the president, the vice. >> president, that are. >> discouraging, and there may be. >> a moment of truth that will test whether or not. >> we have a republic under the rule. >> of law. >> we're going to keep fighting for the. >> rule of law. and the people of the united states. >> of america. >> one of the reasons, i think, that the work that the ags are doing is so important is because you are you are making an administrative argument, right? so on something like birthright citizenship, you are saying, how do you expect us to do this? what is this actually look like? should it come to fruition? i just wonder how many of the policies and ideas that they are floating you look at and say

doesn't even work in theory, but tell me how it would operate in practice. >> what's interesting. about this is the law that we're. >> using in a few of these cases. one of the cases. >> you. >> mentioned before. >> the cuts. >> to medical funding. >> nih funding is. >> a law called the administrative procedure act. >> it was passed with great republican. support after the concern. >> was that. >> franklin delano. >> roosevelt had acted without oversight by the courts and without enough of a check on executive power. that law has a. >> very basic. >> idea, which you just got to. if you're taking an administrative action. >> you. >> have to. >> think about it first. >> you have to make sure it's. >> not arbitrary. >> and. capricious in the words of the law. >> when they decide over a weekend to. >> make massive. >> cuts in funding for breakthrough research. >> i'm here in colorado. university of colorado. >> colorado state this would have been a $90. >> million cut overnight. >> would it. >> cost people jobs. undermine basic research. >> and it was going to be incredibly. >> disruptive with no notice. >> no chance. >> for people to. >> say, wait a minute. >> have you thought about this?

>> that's not the way our system works. and that's. >> why that action was. stopped as illegal. >> so i think it's important to note because it has been in the press as of late. the democratic attorney generals are very clearly coming together to defend what you all have noted are the constitutional rights of the people with whom you represent, whom whom elected you all. and then the governors are in an interesting space because they are in some ways triangulating. you've got some governors across the country, democrats, who are very clearly like the president is not going to infringe on tell us what to do. very public. the pushback from the governor of maine this week, janet mills, directly being challenged by the president in a meeting because the national governors association is in town. and then you have your governor, jared polis, who has struck a tone that is kind of conciliatory

towards trump and elon musk and many of the actions that that have been taken, he's been very public, that he supports the hhs secretary that donald trump appointed rfk jr. well, there is a colorado newsline op ed just this week by president quentin young. it notes colorado, of course, must continue to work with federal agencies on highway funding, higher education, and many other routine or administrative matters. what's objectionable is policies, public and unnecessary concessions to trump, whatever immediate advantages he might earn for the state through such posturing is far outweighed by the damage trumpism is certain to inflict. is there any tension, if you will, between the actions that you have taken as as an attorney general, joining with other attorney generals across the country and some of the things that the governor is saying and he is willing to do and working with the trump administration. >> i make a couple. >> of critical points. first, attorneys. general in. >> colorado and most states are elected separately in the governor. >> so the. >> governor has his lane. i've

got mine. >> i make sure to. >> look very closely at. >> these. >> actions and ask a basic question. are they legal and do they harm the citizens of colorado? and if an action is illegal and harms citizen. in colorado, my job is very clear. i need to protect citizens of colorado. i need to defend the rule of law. and whoever in the trump administration is going to cross. that line. they are going to see us in court. there are going to be times. >> and i look. >> forward to these. >> times when i can work. >> with the trump administration on issues around protecting consumers or how we protect our. >> land, air and. >> water or public safety. >> what i. >> will make sure i continue to do. >> is look. >> at every action. >> clear eyed. >> and ask those two basic questions, and governor polis will have to decide how he approaches his job. >> and we'll leave it there. colorado attorney general phil weiser, thank you for your time this morning. next up, the republican governor's defending, elon musk's thorn of the federal government. literally look at the chainsaw even as they face

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attendance, and the crowd was mostly friendly. take a listen to this. constituent from this town hall. this was yesterday. >> when are you going to. >> wrest control. >> as the congress. >> back from. >> the executive and stop hurting your. >> constituents? >> because all that's left if you won't do your jobs, the congress. >> is for the. >> courts. >> and. >> the courts don't have a means of enforcing their judgments. >> already. our president. >> is ignoring. the court's orders. >> all was calm until. >> all was calm until. >> until his neighbor got up. >> these are people are really, i think why this is having such an impact with doj's doing again directed by the president, the strategy of project 2025 russell vote it is directly going to it is touching people in real ways. their jobs, people they know, they themselves, their families, their communities. and i do think that these republican governors and republican elected officials are perhaps underestimating the impact,

because the governors are not having town halls. okay. i don't remember when's the last time a governor held a town hall. >> that well, they're not having town halls, and the constituents should demand them. in fact, i would encourage constituents out there across the country to just call your own town hall. don't wait for a government official to call a town hall because they're not going to. they have no incentive to get in a room with you and to hear you moan and groan about what donald trump and elon musk is doing, because that's how they view it. they don't take this seriously. and the fact that you have the republican governors who are governors of some of the poorest states in this country, not recognizing the immediate impact that's going to happen in their states that are already strapped, cash strapped, number one, that are already way too reliant on federal resources, dollars and programs and personnel. number two. so, citizens, why are you waiting for an elected official to get

y'all in the room so you can tell them what you think? you own this government. this is you. this is happening in your name. in your name. >> can i read you some of some of what the governor of south carolina had to say? he said some of the negative impacts are grossly exaggerated. things will settle down. it will get better. but at some point we've got to cut that bureaucracy because it's strangling us. it's strangling prosperity. so, so much happening there, right? the sort of promise of things will settle down. things will get out. when, when, when will that start happening? and also i think there's actually there is appetite for reckoning with bureaucracy. people want to see it done in an orderly and strategic way, not with emails harassing federal employees about what they did last summer. >> correct. but i just people i think it's really important that we just speak plainly, though, about what is going on, because they want us to talk about the bureaucracy and really what they say, that they're reining in the

bureaucracy. that's why the, the, the organizations that rely on some of the funding from, like the medicaid funding and the and the government portals, right. when the portals were shut down and the head starts, didn't know if they were going to have the money to open and places across the country or to pay their staff. right. that's the bureaucracy that they're talking about. i thought you were going somewhere with the american people. i'm playing with the american people. they're using this language that is very bureaucratic, academic language, so that you don't know that they are talking about taking your your auntie's good government job, and you don't know that they're talking about not not feeding children, taking away free and reduced school lunch. honey, are you listening? >> but, but but it's not a question. you don't have to listen. because when your kid shows up to school in a couple of weeks or a month or so and that isn't there, and they come home hungry because guess what? they didn't get breakfast that

morning and they didn't get lunch because the program was shut down. you find out mom and dad are going to find out real quick. and so, you know, look, i think this this is the truth of the matter, is that what they're trying to set up? to your point, symone, is this illusion. and this is reflected in the governor of south carolina's comment that this is not going to happen to you. this is happening to those lives in new york city, to those lives in california. this is this is us owning the libs. and guess what? you are the ones getting owned because your kids ain't getting lunch. >> you going to read the tea? >> i am. >> next nebraska democratic party chair kay cleave is here to discuss the role of state parties. and y'all just don't like my dramatic pauses. resisting trump's agenda. we're going to talk about all of that next. >> an important health care

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basically serving about a year before you're totally burnt out. when ken and i started serving in the asdc, our state parties were getting $2,500 a month. that's it from the dnc. we want to get that up to $25,000 a month. but some state parties need help. they need resources. they need training. so i also want to make sure that there's goals attached to that. i want to see 25% more voter registration, 25% more candidates recruited, and 25% more county parties being built. if we don't have strong state parties, we're never going to win elections. i don't care what great message we have at the national level. >> i have one follow up on that, because going to $25,000 a month for every state party, if it just the 50 states not including the territories, that's $1.2 million a month. does kim martin have that kind of money? >> we are going to. >> raise the money. >> because we have no other choice. unless you have strong state parties that can recruit candidates. do partizan voter registration make sure that the message at the national level is

actually working at the local level and vice versa, because message should actually be developed at the local level. we're never going to rebuild our party. we're never going to win elections again. so we don't have a choice but to raise that money. and to be honest, we did raise the money. but all of that money went to the dc consulting class and it went to seven battleground states. and we know that that model is broken. and so it's time for a new day at the dnc. >> jane, we've talked about infrastructure. we've talked about money. let's talk about the messaging that you referenced. you had senator bernie sanders in your state drawing big crowds. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> we can defeat them. i know how much money they have. i know their ownership of the media. i know that they can buy and sell politicians. i know all of that. but this i also know that when we stand together and. not let them divide us. up by the color of our skin. >> or where. >> we were born, or our sexual orientation or our religion, when we stand together, we can

defeat them and we must defeat them. >> how much of that, jane, do you think can be mainstreamed into the democratic party's messaging? >> look, bernie's. >> always had an ability to connect with the base of our party. he's always had a message of working in middle class voters. as democrats, we have to have an ability to be able to go into the wine bar and talk to voters there, because our voters are in wine bars. but we also have to an ability to go into the dive bars. and that is the challenge of the democratic party, because we have voters both at the wine bar and the dive bar. and i know that we can do it because we can talk about issues like expanding public education to include pre-k and community college. and so our kids education is no longer just kindergarten through 12th grade. we can do things like making sure that medicare and medicaid is protected. we know that trump and what trump and musk are doing of gutting not only the federal government, but right now, they're going to be attacking basic programs that

all of us as americans rely on. that is a message that we can take directly to the american people. >> i think that that's going to be interesting challenge, because you do have the dynamics politically within the party. you've got a progressive wing that that needs to be accounted for. you've got more mainstream, traditional democrats. so to your point, a point, the messaging is going to be critical because of the diverse landscape politically across the country. you do have, though, that a lot of democrats are frustrated and urging the idea of fighting. just push back. can we can we at least just get in a room and throw a punch? noting across the country, anti-trump protests and fiery town halls are flickering back to life in polling, democratic voters are venting disapproval at congressional democrats and in interviews this week with voters, activists and elected officials. many said democrats were failing to curb mr. trump or offer a meaningful counter

message. so as you're looking at building infrastructure among the state parties, which is vitally important. when i got to the rnc, not everybody had a website, right? >> so. >> we had to drop 6 million. that's where some of that money went. by the way, i was looking to sort of get them up to speed. yeah, that's what you're talking about. but the other side of that coin of that spend that $25,000 that you want to give them is this piece. how do you establish the grounds on which you're going to engage the opposition to win elections? >> that's right. >> we not only have to do the infrastructure of doing more partizan voter registration, building more county parties, recruiting more candidates. we also have to have the message of fighting back and having very strong backbones. and for example, on tuesday, we're going to be holding a press conference, not outside of don bacon's office, which is one of the most vulnerable republicans across the nation. we're going to go outside of food bank black men united, and they've been

serving a lot more people in north omaha, as you know, simone and as don bacon's probably going to be voting for trump's budget to slash food pantries and snap all across the country. we're going to be standing in front of black men united, saying, as democrats, we're not only doing donations to the food pantry, but we're making it very clear that don bacon is going to be the reasons why this line is not only a mile, it's going to be two and three miles long, and how we need to defeat him. so as democrats, we need to show up not just in front of don bacon's office. that's been tried and tried again. we need to go into the community, be there for the community and to deliver the message that don bacon is failing us. >> you know what? i'm very glad, jane, that you gave that very tangible example, because i think in this conversation about where does the party go, what happens, people forget that it is. yes, there are voters that have been, frankly, unattainable for democrats for a while. there are voters that at one point they voted for barack obama, and they turned around and they voted for donald trump. right. and then some of those people voted for joe biden, and they turned around and voted for trump again. and then there are

voters that are the base of the democratic party, consistently black voters across the country, who many of them just stayed home in the last election. and so what you all are doing and like, yes, people, there are black people in omaha. i'm one of i was one of them. okay. there are there is a need to speak to the base of the party. yes. and what are those conversations among the state party chairs like? because i hear a lot about how we got to reach out to some of those other folks. but what about the base? >> that's right. and we, of course, need a new working class strategy and working with union folks. absolutely. but the base voters matter not only black and brown voters, but women voters as well. and we have to invest in reaching black voters in particular. they have been the backbone of the democratic party, not only in the voters, but we have to make sure that we're hiring black leaders inside the dnc building. you can rest assured, when i'm hiring regional directors at the cdc, folks are going to be black and brown. >> state party chair. y'all is black. i just want to be very clear. >> she is so precious. >> mckesson is doing the work.

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things are getting announced. but they're not happening at all, or at least not yet. just try to remember we are not looking at the final score. we are still in the first quarter. keep your pads on. the game has just begun. >> you guys see this news that was in axios from this past week? it was about jefferies on a call with his caucus sort of saying like, part of what we need to do is show rather than tell. let's invite people who've been impacted by doge to the president's first address in march. and i think that's some of what we're hearing from jane kleeb. right. this idea of you have to show people what the impacts are. yeah, they're going to feel them soon. you got to show them it's not enough just to tell. >> yeah. meet the people where they are. i thought that that was really important. you know don bacon. he represents nebraska's second congressional district. it is a they have been represented by democrats before in congress and republicans. he is a very vulnerable member. there are other republican

members, like don bacon across the country. and the voters in the district need to understand what this, again, this bureaucratic conversation means for them. we've been critical, frankly, of jefferies and elected democrats, because it's kind of like democrats in washington, d.c. because it's like, what y'all doing? getting y'all outside department of education, but you ain't got arrested. we got up to hear what's going on. but i do believe that jefferies is now being more vocal about the strategy that he has been, you know, really talking about with his members. and we're going to see more actionable items. and i do think that he has a strategy, and he's being very clear with his members about how they need to position themselves. >> well, maybe he decided to keep that sword a little bit longer. >> oh yeah, that's sort. >> of converting it into a bipartisan plowshare, because that's that's not how you engage in this particular political environment, particularly when you see what's happening to his

colleagues at, you know, in various departments and agencies around, around the country, not just in washington, d.c, because i think that's an important narrative, which is what i really liked about what miss kleeb said that they're doing. they're they're they're going to take this action not to the doorstep or the political office of an elected official, but to those corners of the community that are directly impacted by the decisions that are being made by elon musk and donald trump, that are supported by republicans who are not defending those local business owners, those local efforts to provide services to the people in their district. so i think that's going to be very, very important. and the fact that hakeem has decided and made it very clear to the members, democratic members, invite those folks to sit in that room, to be in the room and to listen to

this president brag about displacing them and making their lives miserable. i think that's going to be an interesting strategy. it'll be interesting to see how republicans respond to it. >> march 4th is going to be the day that's the. and this will be donald trump's first state of the union address to congress since he's been elected. and this comes at a critical time because he is talking about passing a major fiscal package. they want to do it through what's called, like reconciliation, where they don't need any democratic votes. but i don't really know if that's going to be an option for him. we are going it remains to be seen how far these members haven't had to vote on anything yet. you know what i mean? like they've had to vote on the nominees and this kind of like, oh, well, you could say a president decides to get who the nominees that they want in the senate. but when it comes to the legislation, don bacon and mike, the don bacon and the mike lawlor's of the world are going to have to raise their hand, yay or nay when it comes to cutting

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