>> good morning. >> it is sunday, february the 23rd. day 35. >> of donald trump's. second term. >> tomorrow marks three years since russia. launched its full scale invasion of ukraine. >> in that. >> time, more than a million people have been. >> killed or wounded. >> as a result of the war. >> millions of others have been. >> displaced internally or have fled. >> to other countries. >> where they have claimed refugee status. the ukrainian capital, kyiv, still stands and is under ukrainian. >> control. >> despite russian troops occupying land just eight miles from the city center in the early days of the war. just hours ago, kyiv was one of a number of cities that was hit by another russian attack. >> according to the ukrainian

air. >> force, the attack was carried out by 267 drones that entered. ukrainian airspace. today, that's the single largest drone. >> attack since russia launched its war. there's a new level of uncertainty about. >> ukraine's future now. >> that donald trump has returned. >> to the white house. president trump campaigned on ending. >> the war. >> in ukraine, but. >> his early actions regarding the. >> conflict suggest that he is. >> unbothered about upending. >> the post-world war two order that was built and led. largely by the united states. it was just days ago when he falsely called ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky a dictator. on top of that, trump sided with russia. >> the. >> aggressor, by parroting kremlin. >> disinformation that blamed ukraine, not russia, for starting. >> the war. during his speech at cpac last night. trump told. the crowd of conservatives that his. administration is close to reaching a deal. to end the war, and. >> shortly thereafter, the white house press secretary. >> caroline leavitt, added during a gaggle with reporters that, quote, the president is very confident we can get it. >> done this week.

>> how a deal is reached and what that would entail is still a mystery. president trump and members. of his. administration have spent the bulk of the past week trying to get president zelensky to sign. >> on to not a peace. >> deal with. >> russia. >> but a deal trading ukraine's natural resources. in exchange. >> for in exchange. >> for continued american security guarantees. >> a deal. which some are. >> comparing to the shakedown of an ally. additionally, the us is still refusing to sign. >> on to a fairly. >> standard un resolution that was drafted by ukraine. marking the third anniversary of the war and condemning russia. the us wants kyiv to drop that resolution and replace it with a toned down version, one. >> that's less critical of russia. but all this, while chaotic and alarming, is also. >> clarifying in terms of where the trump administration stands. it stands with russia. >> the aggressor, and it wants. >> to appease russia by having ukraine surrender the fight and surrender its land. >> we've been. >> here before. >> and we've tried this strategy. >> in 1938, a group of world

leaders met with adolf hitler in. >> munich, and. >> they struck a deal allowing. >> him to. annex part of czechoslovakia. >> in exchange. >> hitler promised. >> he would stop the fighting. >> and the aggression. >> a year later, hitler invaded poland. three years ago this week, president zelensky appeared at the munich security conference to make an. urgent plea to the international community to help stop vladimir. >> putin from invading his country. >> and during. >> his speech, he recalled that moment from our collective history. >> he asked the crowd. >> of world leaders. >> quote, has the world forgotten. its mistakes of the 20th century? what do attempts at appeasement lead to? >> zelensky invoked the old french. >> slogan why die for danzig? it refers to the struggle. >> for control. >> of the free city of danzig, a city state that was under the protection of the league of nations in 1939. a city state which hitler. >> wanted to. incorporate into nazi germany. the slogan. >> why die for danzig was popularized by those who wanted to appease hitler in a bid to avoid war. but as history has

so. clearly demonstrated, there would. >> be no. >> appeasing hitler. and in september of 1939. >> the first. >> shots of world war two were fired along danzig's harbor. appeasement doesn't stop tyrants. >> we built. >> our alliance and. >> the international. >> order based on the lessons we learned in world war two, taking on. >> deterring and confronting. >> aggressors in defense of democracy is what we've done. >> with varying. >> success for the past eight decades. >> but if america. >> continues to cozy up to. russia and putin. then all that can unravel from. >> ukraine to taiwan. >> and beyond. >> joining me. >> now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security advisor during the obama administration. he's also an msnbc political analyst. and co-host of the podcast pod save the world. ben, good morning. >> to you. i was talking. >> to anne applebaum. >> about an hour ago. >> and she said 1938, 1939. >> are actually the. >> wrong examples. appeasement is not actually the question, even though that's. >> something that. >> that jd vance has brought up this week. she said it's more

like 1944 the united states is discussing. we're not into this war anymore. it's not winnable. and we're leaving. this is this is worse than appeasement. >> this is being insulting. >> and pulling back out of it. >> yeah. >> i think. >> i mean, there's so much that's gone on. it's kind of dizzying. and it's right to search for analogies. i think. >> you're right to frame it around. >> the fact that this is bigger than trump. just having a different approach to trying to end the war in ukraine. this is the. united states withdrawing. from the postwar order that it built. withdrawing the. >> not just. >> military, but. political and. moral support. >> that we provided. >> to ukraine since they were invaded by russia. that's where anne is, correct. >> we're pulling the plug on. >> people three years into them being invaded and continuing to face bombardment from russians. that's a profound shift. >> not just. >> politically. >> but. >> morally in terms. >> of how the united. >> states shows up in the world. and i think where the. >> analogy to munich.

>> or whatever other historical analogy you want to reach for is right, is we're returning. >> to a. >> time in. which we think the world. >> should operate. >> where big. >> powers just. >> make agreements amongst themselves over the heads of smaller countries and. >> of people. >> themselves, whether those people live in gaza or whether those people live in ukraine. >> that might seem. >> convenient in the short term. let's get some minerals from the ukrainians. let's end this war. >> but that. >> always leads to bigger conflict. always. that's why. >> we built. >> the system after world war two, when a bunch of autocrats start dividing up the world amongst themselves. >> they inevitably. >> clash into each other. that's how you got world war one. that's how you got world war two. >> and that's why we built. >> this whole system of. >> alliances that. >> trump is currently undoing. >> ben. >> one of the things. >> donald trump is doing is not just suggesting that. >> this war is unwinnable. >> or we're gonna have to come to some conclusion. he's he's. >> really attacking. >> volodymyr zelenskyy, calling him a dictator, saying that he. >> won't hold elections. >> ukraine is in martial law at the moment. even the opposition leaders and former leaders who

are not of. >> zelensky's party. >> say this is not a time to. >> hold an election. it's just hard. >> to. >> hold an election. >> soldiers are out at the front. families are out of the country. >> zelenskyy has said. today in kyiv. he said if. >> it's about peace in ukraine and you really want me to leave. >> my. >> position, i'm ready to do that in exchange for peace. secondly, i can exchange it for nato membership. if there is such an opportunity, i'll do it. immediately without a long conversation about it. i'm focused. >> on ukraine's security. >> today and not in 20 years. i don't plan. >> to be in power for decades. >> that therefore, that's my aim and my dream. so he's. >> sort of hitting back at. >> trump, saying. >> you think. >> this is. >> about me. >> being in power, i'll trade my power, but. >> we want peace. >> two things, ali. first of all, we've talked about trump parroting. russian talking points around things like zelensky being a dictator. >> he is actually putting forward russian plans. where did this. >> idea for ukraine needing to hold an election come from? >> that is a russian idea. >> and the reason. >> it's a russian. >> idea is they know that a country that has. 20% of its territory occupied. >> they know that tens. >> of thousands of children have

been kidnaped. >> from ukraine by russia. they know that people are at the front line. they know that millions. >> of ukrainians are. >> outside. >> the country. >> they know that holding an. >> election in that circumstance. >> is absolutely absurd. >> and would. >> be absolutely. >> destabilizing to ukraine. >> that's why russia. >> wants this election to go forward. >> and donald. >> trump. >> is not just parroting russian talking points. he is putting forward russian plans. that's where we are, ali. and the other thing i want to point out here is that zelensky is totally unfamiliar to trump, because zelensky is someone who would put his own interest behind those of his country. that is something that trump can't seem to fathom. and if you look at it, this is not just about putin and zelensky. the leaders that trump admires around the world are people like putin, people like mohammed bin salman in saudi arabia, people like xi jinping in china. he wants to be a strongman autocrat like those people. when he attacks leaders, it is always the leaders of democratic allies of the united states, whether it be zelensky or justin trudeau or emmanuel

macron. he does not like people that run democracies. he likes people who run totalitarian states. that is what is happening in geopolitics today. interestingly, though, you. >> write in the new york times last. >> week that it's not just about donald trump looking at these leaders and seeing something different. it's about. >> america, he says. rather than. >> you. >> you write. >> rather than showing strength. trump's foreign. >> policy betrays a loss of american self-confidence and self-respect. eliminating any pretense that the united states stands for the things it is claimed to support. >> since fighting two. >> world wars. >> freedom, self-determination. >> and collective security. i think what i. >> draw from. >> what you. >> wrote in the new york times is that this is. >> more serious than. >> donald trump. >> we have to decide as a country. americans have died, fought and died for these principles in two world wars. >> and in our own struggles in america. >> we're going to have to rediscover who. >> we are and represent. >> that to the world. >> yeah. i mean, this idea. that we're going to, you know, bully the ukrainians into giving us some rare earth materials. i

mean that because in. >> exchange for. >> them being at the bulwark of freedom in the world is embarrassing. let's face it, it's embarrassing. i'm embarrassed, ally, that the united states of america's interest in ukraine is not the defense of freedom and the defeat of russian aggression, that it's some minerals that somebody whispered in trump's ear and said, well, that could be good for the united states. this is who we become as a country. we've elected this person now twice, and the second time knowing full well who he is. and so we can't just pin the blame on trump himself. we have to look inward a bit here and figure out how is it that we ended up in a circumstance in which we have a tech oligarch in elon musk dismantling the united states federal government, and an autocrat in donald trump selling out all of our allies. you know, what do we care about? i mean, you know, i've been in a million foreign policy discussions. foreign policy is ultimately an expression of what kind of country you are. it reveals your character. and what we're seeing now is kind of real declining empire stuff. ally, this isn't strength, you know? i mean, she and putin aren't looking at this and being like,

wow, the americans are back. they're really strong. they're looking at this and saying, these people have lost their self-confidence. our advantage in the world came from the fact that we had friends. we had something that china and russia didn't have. we had all these allies around the world who would let us base our troops there, who would do trade with us on favorable terms, all these different things. we're sacrificing that for kind of the vanity of pushing around, you know, denmark and panama and canada and taking rare earth materials from ukraine. what is what is that about? i think we have to take a step back and get back to first principles here. what do we stand for? >> it's not it's not a. >> fair trade. and it's certainly not one i don't think even americans who don't think we should be involved elsewhere in the world would take to give up america's reputation for some. >> of these things. ben, good to see you as always. >> ben rhodes is a former deputy national security advisor. >> he's msnbc, he's an msnbc. >> political contributor, and he's. >> the. >> co-host of. >> pod save the world. >> all right. coming up, i'm going to continue this. >> conversation with the renowned. presidential historian jon meacham. >> and later. >> as we approach three years since russia's invasion of

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that. >> but no more? >> or is this. >> backing out. >> of the war. in the middle of a. >> war, that. >> it's. >> not a foregone conclusion that that. >> ukraine would lose? >> well, history should not be cultural zoloft. >> so that's. >> one thing. >> to. >> keep in mind here. >> it is a data set. it is a sense of proportion. but history is not a to switch the metaphors around. >> it's not. >> a gps system. >> right? you can't just type in where you want to go. and you. >> you get there. arthur schlesinger used to say that it's a diagnostic guide. >> that there are certain symptoms. >> that recur, that suggest an underlying. condition that has proven to be susceptible. >> to certain treatments. >> appeasement is one of those. the lesson of the 20th century is that aggression begets aggression, and there are every historical situation. >> has its. >> own internal dynamics. there

are no great universals in statecraft, but the early warning sign here would be that if you are a dictator and you act aggressively and it works, what exactly what other lesson would you take? or would another dictatorial, another authoritarian power somewhere in the world? what lesson would they take from seeing that and the munich example. and knows has forgotten more about this than i know. but the munich example can be overdone. >> except when it. >> isn't that. that's the that's the damn thing about history. and so i believe that the republican party, until now, in the cold war era, and the democratic party. >> in the cold war. >> era, learned. the lesson. >> of munich. >> sometimes it was applied in

ways that were deleterious. >> the domino. >> theory turned out not to be dispositive. but there's an elemental point here. and the elemental point is that if you appease dictators, they just. >> want more. >> so one of the things we're looking at. whether it comes to ukraine or canada becoming the 51st state or reclaiming the panama canal, or taking. greenland or making developments out of gaza, is sort of understanding is this is this a. >> realignment of. the global order. >> that we've been thinking about. >> for the last 80 years? is this just. >> donald trump? is it is it not sort of understanding or wanting to shake up our alliances? what do you make. >> of. >> what's happening. >> in this moment? >> i so i've struggled with this a lot, as i know you have, and i'm sort of banning the phrase. >> in my head at this. >> point of, oh, he's just talking. that doesn't really work anymore. he's a second term

president of the united states with an extraordinary level of popular power among what was a dispositive electoral plurality in 2024. and so what he says matters. and this notion, i think, that people who are comfortable with having supported him. >> for whatever reason. >> they did, they couldn't vote for a democrat for tribal reasons. whatever it might be. you know. they want people to say, oh. >> you know, he's. >> just a deal maker. he's just a negotiator. well, not really, this isn't real estate. this isn't a game. of monopoly. this is american statecraft. there are lives on. >> the line. >> destiny of nations are dependent on this. and so do i think it's a. >> return to. >> a kind of pre 1914 politics

where countries are building. alliances in complicated ways. there's not a dominant power. yeah, it looks a lot like that. >> well one of the things happening today, in fact, is. >> there's an. >> election in germany. we've seen a rightward. >> shift in. >> many cases, in many cases. around the. >> world in the. >> elections of. >> 2024 and then into 2025. >> there are. >> some places like india where we saw it sort of moderate just a little bit, but this is an influence. >> and i guess there are two ways of looking at this. >> that donald trump might be the high water mark where canadians which were getting ready, who were getting. >> ready to. >> go to an election and perhaps elect a conservative populist, are sort of backing. >> off of. that now. >> and saying. >> well, maybe we don't want everybody to. >> come in and break the. whole thing. what is your take on on donald trump as a. creature of. >> what the world. >> is. >> going through at. the moment? >> yeah. so one of one of the things that happens in global politics, as you know, is that there is tends to be one great central issue and its

implications, the degree to which we solve it or we don't solve it, shapes the global order. right? so industrialization in. the 19th century in america, slavery was that question. parties were born and parties died because they couldn't find a. coherent answer to that. industrialization, civil rights. and today it's globalization and the implications of globalization. a long term story, right? >> i mean. >> in the 1930s and 40s, franklin roosevelt was confronting a country where. foreign places, foreign capitals were moving to a more autocratic way. berlin, rome, moscow, because they were uncertain about how the world was coming to be, because we were so much closer together. trade, technology, radio. you know,

radio was the information superhighway and speed is relative. and that was a big thing. in those days. and so you had this debate about totalitarianism, authoritarianism versus the messiness, but the possibilities of democratic capitalism, that was the drama. >> of the 1930s. >> in many ways, the drama of the 2020s and the. 20 tens is globalization, is immigration is control of your economic fate. your one's place in the culture is that changing beyond recognition? and a lot of people are fearful and a lot of people have reacted. a lot of people have been marshaling that fear, deepening that fear, exacerbating that fear, and that in many ways explains what's unfolding today globally. i have a colleague, josh clinton, who at vanderbilt, who pointed out that in, i. >> think something.

>> like, don't. >> hold. >> me to these exact numbers, but in something like 70 global elections last year, not a single ruling party added to its strength, which was the first time that it ever happened. >> certainly in the. >> last 70, 80 years, not one. so that's not an explanation. that's not an excuse for what happened in 2024, but it is an explanation. and so centrally in popular politics, we debate fear versus hope, and people can roll their eyes and say that's, you know, you know, upper middle brow or whatever. but that's fundamentally the, the truth of, of popular politics. are you voting because you want to build or are you voting because you want. >> to constrict? >> you want to pull back. you want to hold on to what you have. and the tension between fear and hope, which is a fundamentally human one, is a fundamentally political one,

because democracies are about people. and that's why the hope i have going forward is that this is a moral question. if enough of us say no, we're not going. to abandon a democratic country to dictatorship, no, we're not going to indiscriminately tear down what we've built for 100 years. well, you know, let let's do this intelligently. let's do this carefully. if enough of us do that and tell enough united states senators that that's what we want, and that maybe they'll get primaried if they go along with the extremes, as opposed to if they don't, then we come through this. >> we shall watch carefully and. >> we'll do it with you. thank you. john, good to. >> see you as always. >> jon meacham is a renowned presidential historian and the rogers distinguished professor at vanderbilt university. we'll are you looking for a walk-in tub at vanderbilt university. we'll be right back. for you or someone you love?

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>> stage of the first phase of. >> the deal. >> this weekend, the release of. >> four corpses. of hostages who. died in captivity. >> ever since those october 7th. >> attacks, they're. >> supposed to be released on saturday. now, the israelis are saying that they're not going to. >> be releasing. >> more than 600 israeli prisoners or, excuse me, palestinian. prisoners in israeli jails. so now, once again, we're seeing this. >> piece very. >> fragile, being shattered even more. but this is something that has been happening with some regularity ever since this deal was inked back in late january. now, whether or not this continues is. >> a big question. >> steve witkoff, who is donald. trump's special envoy for the middle. >> east. >> announced today that he is going to be headed to this region, to israel on wednesday, where he's going to be trying to negotiate a continuation of this peace. crucially, though, ali. >> it's not just. >> about whether or not these prisoners and these hostages are going to be exchanged. >> it's not. >> whether or not this deal is abided by, but whether or not the second phase of the deal is going to be negotiated. it was already supposed to start those

negotiations. the netanyahu administration hasn't sent anyone to do so. so now it looks as though there is no next stage, which would be ideally some sort of more permanent peace, a more permanent cease. fire between hamas and the. >> israelis, the full. >> withdrawal of the israeli troops. it's unclear whether or not that's actually going to happen. so even if this peace does endure, as it has over the past several hiccups we've seen over the past several weeks, the big question now. >> is the. >> fate. >> of this second. >> phase, whether or not that happens. and right now, that's looking. >> like a more distant. >> possibility than ever. >> matt. >> we'll stay on top of it. >> with you. >> thank you. my friend matt bradley. >> in tel aviv. >> for us. all right. we're going to continue to monitor the situation of. >> pope francis. >> this morning. the pope missed his. >> sunday mass. >> at saint peter's basilica, during which he was set to ordain hundreds. >> of deacons. pope francis is. hospitalized in critical condition. >> battling double pneumonia. yesterday, the 88 year old suffered what. >> was said to. >> be, quote. prolonged asthma. >> like respiratory crises. >> and required. >> oxygen and blood transfusions, according to the

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eastern europe. >> to cover the beginning of russia's invasion of ukraine. my crew and i started our months long assignment in countries that were. neighboring ukraine, including poland. i went from border town to border town, train. >> station to train station. meeting ukrainians who had just fled their homes. >> not sure. if or when. >> they would ever return. >> i spoke with. >> dozens of people whose stories of. >> survival and hope i'll never forget. when i was in warsaw in march of 2022. >> i met. >> a young girl whose story has. >> stuck with me over the years. >> anastasia nastya, for short. >> was 15 years old at the time. she and her family were forced to flee their eastern ukrainian hometown. >> of pershotravensk, except for their father, a military. >> chaplain who stayed behind. >> to fight for their country. >> nastya, who was getting. >> used to her new. >> identity as a refugee, was. >> volunteering in warsaw to. >> help other ukrainian refugees get settled. on camera, she smiled, telling us of her dreams of. returning to her home and maybe someday attending. >> college in the. >> united states. but she was. >> scared for her country, and. >> particularly for her father.

>> thank you for. >> coming here. >> thank you. >> thank you for talking to us and to. and we will pray for your father. and i'm. >> sure he's going to. >> be fine. >> thank you for supporting us. thank you. it's very important. not for me, but it's important for my family and my friends. and we're very grateful. grateful? and many volunteers who support ukraine. because if not these people are not living street or train station. >> so thank you. >> you're going to those. >> train stations. >> you've been going there and. >> helping people, giving them food. >> i guess that. >> must make you feel. >> a little. >> better, at least. yeah. >> it makes me feel better because i know that i'm not alone. and who lost everything? >> you're not alone. >> thank you. you're not alone for sure. thank you for being. >> with us. can i hug you? oh, we'll get. through this. >> five months later. >> five months. >> of war. i spoke to nastia again. >> it was august. >> of 2022. nastia, her. >> sisters, and their. >> mother reunited. >> briefly with their father before he went back to the front lines. >> and they were able to return to their grandparents. home in

the. donbas region. but they were. >> right. >> in. >> the middle of some of the heaviest fighting. their lives were. >> controlled by constant. >> air raid sirens and the fear of another attack. just moments. >> before, i. spoke to nastia over. >> video call. warplanes flew over her home, but her worries, of course, continued to be about her. >> father, who had returned to the. >> front line. she told. >> me what. >> it was like being away from him. and about that brief time she'd gotten to see him in person again. >> my dad in frontline, he. now in donetsk region. i don't know. you hear about a city avdeevka? yeah. that's a really big city right now. there's so dangerous. so my dad right now there, he called me. >> sometimes. >> but they're really, really bad connection. >> when i. >> meet him, he. my dad told me is so terrified. stuff was going on there in front line. and i just started crying. and when i, when i in first time meet my dad, like, first time in six

months, i'm just cry. and dad started to tell me the stories how they hide. and his car was destroyed. so. and since god i'm really grateful. god because he saved my dad. >> in february of 2023, i returned. >> to. >> ukraine to cover. >> the one year mark of the catastrophic war, and i made good on my promise. >> to visit. nastia again, this time back. >> home in ukraine. i shared a traditional ukrainian. >> meal with the. >> family, including. nastya's father, victor. they shared. >> memories and stories. >> of the country. >> they loved. nastia, who was then 16. >> years. >> old. >> reflected on the. previous year and how. >> war had. >> forever altered her childhood. >> it's like wah wah, change happens in like your minds. i grew up in just one day. one night, like, wake up 4 a.m. and you just grow up and you just understand that you are a lot of people now not live, just exist. and people just try to survive. even my friends, we walk, we see

sirens, but we just we just not see this as so dark as it is because we try to enjoy life. >> while i was there, i also spent time. >> with. >> nazia's father, victor. >> who is a ukrainian military chaplain. he introduced me. >> to. >> some of his fellow soldiers. >> and explained. >> a crucial priority for. >> soldiers fighting. >> for their country and. >> for their lives. >> the most important thing here. >> was to convey to the soldiers to remain human, so that in the end, they would not identify. >> with. >> those who attacked us. when you see this senseless cruelty, when. you see these atrocities, the most important thing is to help the soldiers to stay human. it is simply a miracle that ukraine is. >> such a nation. >> four months later, in june of 2023, we. >> reunited with victor. >> this time in the united states coney island in brooklyn, new york. a pastor by. >> trade, victor visited churches and communities. >> in multiple american cities

hoping to raise money for. humanitarian needs. >> back at home, and. >> to spread the truth about what it. >> was like on the ground. >> in ukraine. >> if you have truth, people can clearly. >> evaluate the situation. >> when people see tens, hundreds, thousands of people. >> die. >> they understand simply. this can be understood only by a person who knows the truth. >> the truth. >> is that ukraine did not attack. i last spoke to nastia. >> a year ago. >> over. video call around. >> the. >> two year. >> mark. >> of the war. with constant. >> tragedy and fear surrounding. >> ukrainians at all times. >> this is. >> what. >> she chose to focus on. >> are you still optimistic? >> yes, sometimes. sometimes not. because i see all of the that's happened and i try to be the most positive and optimistic person. and i feel that because all of our family feel that, and i'm trying to be i'm trying to be the most positive person.

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since then, nastia has prioritized getting an. education and working toward her future so she. >> can make a. >> change in the world. >> after witnessing. >> the horrors of war. nastia joins me now. she has just. made it back to ukraine. and nastia, we're going to talk about the last three years, but i know right now you're less than 24 hours into being reunited with your dad. >> and i. >> know. >> that makes you very happy. >> yes, yes i am. >> talk to me about what's happened. >> we've talked. >> a lot about the war, but what about you? you. >> you left ukraine. you went to the united kingdom. >> you came back a. >> few times. where are you. >> right now? in your journey? >> i am in ukraine right now. currently. and beside of that, i'm studying in ukraine full time as a student. and when i have a free time, i'm coming to ukraine, because tomorrow we're going to have anniversary of war. unfortunately, there's going to be three years of war. and i want to spend this time

with my family. and additionally, 24th february is international race day, when whole country going to pray together. and that's the day when i'm going to spend in the church and praying for my country, because everything that's going on right now is horrible, because front is moving, situation is getting more horrible. and yeah, just try to be optimistic. >> and that's hard. to be optimistic. >> i think that's your nature. it's your dad's nature when i met him. but it's hard. your dad. actually had a close call in which he he. >> somebody he was with, some people he. >> was with some soldiers were were were injured. tell me about that. >> so the situation with the front, dad is. >> i mean. >> now it's getting more darker in the beginning of war with

that. it was difficult, but unfortunately i was wrong at that time because now the situation is more harder because on new year's time, i came to ukraine to spend some time with my dad. and because that happened that my dad sometimes stay in my town because the front is basically 20, 25 minutes on the in the car. so i came here and one time my dad came to my house at 3 a.m. and i didn't and i didn't knew what's happened. and then he told me on the next morning he was trying to attack. his car was completely destroyed. and so they've been going on the motorway and they saw the drawn, and they decided to leave the car because near of them there was the car, and they saw like a soldier that were bleeding. so they came out of the car, they saw the drawn and started the height and the drawn showed the

car. and by the miracle, they've been saved. and there's so many con, so many things happened to him. and i mean, it's a miracle that he stayed alive. couple months ago, one of the chaplain was my dad being shot in his leg. and thankfully, my dad stayed alive, but. and without any one, without any hurt. but some people have been hurt near to him. >> so one thing you used to, you said to. >> my crew and me when? when we last met in person. your goodbye wish. i can't remember the ukrainian expression, but it was peaceful skies. it meant may your skies be peaceful when we were visiting with you. there were, there were, there were attacks. do you still hear. >> these sirens? >> do you still hear the airplanes going above you? and what was that expression you used? peaceful skies. >> so? so the armed attack planes is still flying. there are some drones near to my town.

unfortunately, the war. now it's drones. war like the drones here is 24 over seven. and now there's a lot of militaries because situation is getting worse and worse. yeah. and i've been told about. nanabot, which is mean, peaceful sky. but three years time then and i'm still hoping for the peaceful sky because i live new to pokrovsk town and it's almost occupied. and we are. everyone is just living in this emotions. and on this wave where everything is moving so fast. >> everybody wants to know. >> everybody asks me. >> about you, wants to know what is. >> your future. >> hold right now. >> you are. >> you have one foot in ukraine. you have one foot. >> in. >> the west. what? what is going to happen to you? and what do you want to do? >> so i clearly understood that

all my life, being related to the politics and international, the politics to i live. so the war in my head started from 2014 because when my dad came to the front, when all of this started with crimea and donbas, and now for that moment, i realized the politics is pretty important. then when i was 15 and the war started, full scale war, i was so shocked. and in my childhood head it was like, wow, it's something impossible for that time for me. so i quickly realized that my country needs people like me, and i decide i want to do international relations and politics. i and i'm trying to be full time student as much hard as it can to get degree and then to help my country, because my country need educated people. because

now the education system in ukraine is got worse because of the war and everything is online. so i wanted to be in university full time and then to get degree in the best and i can help my country. >> nastia. please give my love to your family. give everybody. individually a hug from me and an extra tight one for your your father to keep him safe. good to see you again. thank you for being with us, nastia. we'll continue to stay in touch. nastia is a former ukrainian refugee. she is a great friend of our show. >> thank you so much. thank you so much for your support and please support ukraine because we need you now as much as we can with all. >> the situation. >> we will. >> meet. >> again you so much. >> thank you. >> and that does it for me. thank you. for watching. inside with jen psaki begins right now.