have won about 20% of the vote in this election. 1 in 5 german voters casting their ballot for the far right. that is by far their best result since the defeat of the nazis in the second world war. we're speaking to you from the headquarters of the social democrats. they are the incumbent, center left party who have been leading the government for the last couple of years. and i can tell you, alex, when those exit polls came in at 6 p.m. local time, it was just like a funeral in here. not only do these people realize that they were losing power, but they realized that they had come behind the far right, and it is just a stunning moment in this country. as you mentioned, the afd went into this election with the explicit endorsement of elon musk. just this morning, alex, he posted a video from one of the afd's most extreme leaders. this is a man who a german court has ruled can be justifiably

described as a fascist, based on his extreme positions and the afd also having the more implicit backing of vice president jd vance, who urged the mainstream parties to end their long held policy of keeping the far right out of government. alex. >> it's a stunning report. we'll look to you in about an hour or so from now. raf is the votes are counted and tabulated. maybe we'll have results by then. thank you so much, raf sanchez. meantime, in just moments, what to make of the job cuts at the faa and what they could mean for the safety in our skies. good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with new word from the trump administration as it pushes for a deal to end the war in ukraine. three years after that, fighting began. >> i went over to russia. i had a meeting with with president

putin. it was a long meeting, positive, constructive. and then there was a positive conversation with president zelensky. so i think you've got to have these relationships. you've got to have communication. that's the only way you get deals done. >> and here's new reaction from a member of the senate foreign relations committee today. >> for the president, united states, to extort the people of ukraine when they're under the gun, under fire from putin is outrageous. i mean, can you imagine fdr saying to churchill while the nazis were bearing down, you know, just give us half your coal reserves and your mineral reserves and then then we'll help you out in the face of these attacks. it's just outrageous. and, you know, people around the world are understandably worried about american leadership. i mean, this is not america first. this is america in retreat. >> in the meantime, new polls are out on the president's slashing of federal spending. 42% of americans support those

moves. 53% oppose them. capitol hill remaining divided. >> as a democrat, i'll be the first one to tell you that the that the federal government, the bureaucracy, can absolutely use a diet. but the way doge has done it, where he's just indiscriminately gone in and particularly focused on firing young people who are often the most energetic, the most determined to make a difference. >> instead of democrats attacking the guy who's exposing the stupid spending, how about helping us get rid of the stupid spending. some actions proposals from trump here again, from all of these different polls, what's the most unpopular? what's setting off alarm bells here? you can see that call to end birthright citizenship. only 39% support. they're firing federal workers. this question asked about potentially firing hundreds of thousands. 51% opposition. look at this. this is the single least popular thing trump has done in this second term. pardoning january 6th offenders, including violent offenders, more than 80%

opposed. >> we're going to begin with nbc's vaughn hillyard at the white house for us. so, vaughn, how will the u.s. military be affected by these big federal job cuts? >> right. >> the suggestion at this point in time is that pete hegseth and the department of defense are going to seek to remove potentially all probationary employees from the department of defense. that's upwards of 5400 civilian workers at the pentagon. of course, we have also, just this weekend alone, seen the removal of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, c.q. brown, but also other top officers at the air force and the navy, as well as notably the top lawyers, the jag officers at the army and in the navy, as well as the air force here. so for this department of defense under new secretary pete hegseth, we are already seeing explicit efforts to reshape the us military. take a listen to the new defense secretary just

earlier this morning. >> it's time for. >> fresh blood. so we're going to open up those positions to a broader set and a merit based process to find the best lawyers possible to lead the army, the air force and the navy. there's nothing about purging. there's nothing about illegal. we've made clear from the beginning, shannon, the military will be apolitical, with a fidelity to the constitution, prepared to close with and destroy our enemies. >> pete hegseth himself, back before he was even nominated to be the defense secretary, of course, in podcast, suggested and foreshadowed that cq brown should be fired, as well as what he described to be other woke die generals. of course, there's very few specifics as to exactly what he meant by that at the time here, but clearly here, based off of the removal of top officers and cq brown, there is a clear message that this pentagon is seeking to install individuals that president trump and secretary hegseth see best positioned to carry out their

military agenda. and, of course, the potential removal of these up to 5400 probationary employees coincides with doj's efforts to downsize the federal government. and at a time in which republican lawmakers on capitol hill are actively seeking to increase the defense budget through their negotiations that are taking place just down the road from where we are. this is at a time also that president trump, just over a week ago audibly suggested that potentially the pentagon budget should be cut in half. so there are a lot of dynamics here at play. but one thing that is clear here is that the trump administration is seeking to restructure the pentagon, as we have known it. alex. >> wow. potentially cut by half. that is an extraordinary proposal. all right. vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. and joining me right now, we have democratic congressman from pennsylvania, brendan boyle. he is the ranking member on the house budget committee and a member of the house ways and means committee. congressman, it's also good to see you. so

let's begin with the email directive that elon musk has sent to government employees, listing what they accomplished last week. is this appropriate? is it even legal to demand this from by the way, this is donald trump's special advisor. >> yeah. >> well, first i have to say, i. >> think. >> there's some. >> republican colleagues. >> of mine in. >> congress who are breathing a sigh of. >> relief that they didn't get that email from elon musk. because i don't. i don't think there's anywhere close they could get to five. but, you know, the question of legality is pretty clear cut. elon musk. >> is not a. >> government official. he is the wealthiest person in the world. he is the richest person, actually, in the history of the world by far. but he is someone that has this unofficial title as advisor. there is no i keep saying this until i'm blue in the face. there is no such thing as the department of government efficiency. the fact that

everyone keeps going around pretending like this exists doesn't actually wish it into creation. you have to create by law, by an act of congress, if you are going to have a department. so instead what is happening is he is acting lawlessly at the president's direction, or at least allowance to show up agency by agency on an ad hoc basis, firing people. it is wrong. it is illegal. and that's why every single court that has so far ruled on this matter, whether the judge is a republican appointee or a democratic nominee, each and every one of them has actually ruled against what musk is doing. >> so hang on, if it's all illegal because this is being done, it's not even an official department in our government. so in chaos, absolutely. that's underway right now. but then what for reversing it? more chaos. i mean, does this just get caught up in the courts? does it end up reverting to what it was before they started

cutting? ultimately. >> and of course, while that is being litigated, it takes some time. and there's a real cost to that chaos. in my view, there needs to be an all consuming strategy. yes, that means in the courts, but that also means legislatively that we in democrat, we democrats in congress, even though we're in the minority and the house and in the senate, our votes matter. and certainly they will need our votes pretty soon here when it comes to the march 14th deadline. and then finally, there is a role for ordinary citizens to play. you have seen it really over the last 7 to 10 days, where angry citizens are showing up at town hall after town hall throughout this country in order to voice their displeasure. that too can have an influence. let's not forget eight years ago, at this moment, everyone was predicting that the affordable care act would be done away with. republicans had a trifecta. they campaigned on getting rid of it. everyone thought it was dead. but what

happened? so many citizens became active over the course of that six, seven months. in the first half of 2017, they were able to influence enough members of congress that they were able to save the affordable care act. and sure enough, it's still alive today. >> let's talk about the trump supported house budget, which is up for a vote this week. major cuts to medicaid and food assistance. they are likely included as a way to offset the estimated $4.5 trillion in tax cuts that are in the plan. your ranking member of the house budget committee. does this budget benefit the majority of americans? >> that is the easiest question you have ever asked me. the easy answer, very simply, is no. we had a 12 hour voting meeting last thursday in the budget committee. democrats on my side. we did not give an inch because we wanted to expose exactly what is in that budget plan. it

includes, at the very top line, $880 billion of cuts to medicaid, which would be the largest in american history, with all of that money being diverted to tax cuts for the richest 1%. in addition, i referenced the affordable care act earlier. there are additional cuts, the tunes of hundreds of billions of dollars to other health programs as well, such as the aca, in addition to other cuts. so i think it's pretty clear the american people, when they find out about this, will be absolutely aghast that instead of donald trump focusing on getting costs lower for the american people instead yet again the republican agenda is cutting important programs like medicaid so they can divert the money to the richest 1%. >> so that means shortly before, when donald trump endorsed the house bill, he said in an interview that he would love and cherish medicaid. i take it you don't believe him? >> yeah. i don't think this is

the first time donald trump has promised to love and cherish someone or something, and then has immediately cheated on that commitment, and he is doing it again, literally just hours after he said that he would love and cherish medicaid. it's a total lie. it's a sham. and we will have a vote on tuesday on the house floor. i encourage folks to watch that debate. me and my colleagues will be talking even more about what is in this awful budget, including and especially the biggest cuts to medicaid in american history. >> so in terms of that vote tuesday, it's only going to take three no votes from house republicans to squash this budget, assuming all democrats vote no. nbc tracked the republican held districts districts with the highest share of medicaid recipients, and those households that are receiving food assistance. are you working to convince any of these republicans to vote? no. and i'm going to say, other than speaker johnson, who is trying to toe the trump line, but is in

those top ten categories. >> yeah. so at the moment, right now, the house is 218 to 215. so that means we only need two house republicans to join with democrats. and we will be able to kill these extreme cuts to medicaid once and for all. and i have to say, i have real optimism. i think that any house republican, especially those in swing districts who votes for this extreme budget, will be signing their political death warrant come next november at the polls. so i think that we have a real shot to stop this in its tracks. either way, this is going to be an incredibly close vote where literally every single vote matters. >> so the senate blueprint, though it did include, did not include any trump tax cuts. so how do you reconcile that? and what if the needed republicans agree that the cuts go too far? is there room for negotiation on a budget to try to win bipartisan support?

>> so the senate plan is essentially less than one tenth of the house republican plan. the house republican plan includes all of trump's desires and wishes in terms of his full agenda. the senate plan is has been called a skinny plan because it just includes a few hundred billion more in terms of border spending and defense spending and some provisions for energy. so if they end up going down the senate route, essentially that would be them throwing in the towel because they couldn't get their extreme medicaid cuts and their massive trillions of dollars worth of tax cuts for the richest 1% through the house of representatives. i would say look at the senate plan as their plan b if their house plan fails this week. >> i'm curious, given the huge layoffs across the federal workforce over this past month, has that been factored into the budget calculations? >> it hasn't. but, you know, i do want to say something about

that. as someone who represents the philadelphia area. we just suddenly on thursday had 400 mostly middle class citizens who live in and around my city, show up for work and find out that they were being laid off. they received a letter saying it was because of poor performance. some of them only had exemplary performance reviews. some of them had never even had a performance review. and for this to happen, these were irs employees at the height of tax season is completely insane. it will hurt not just those hundreds of employees in my district who have been impacted, but it will also hurt any citizen and any constituent of mine who will be calling the one 800 irs customer service number for help. over the next two months. i'm going to be doing an event on monday morning down by independence hall. we're getting ready for the big 250th anniversary of our country next year, a massive celebration. well, this dodge. dodge. dodge,

dodge, whatever musk calls it, they went ahead and fired a bunch of national park service workers that we need at independence hall is already understaffed, so they're making a bad situation worse. so this is this is having an impact in my community specifically. but really throughout the country, people are going to be feeling the pain if they haven't already. >> yeah, i mean, tax season. i'm actually going to talk with a recently fired national park worker in the next hour and just get her take on that. but it's all interesting and i'm glad to talk with you about it, and i know i'll have you back again, brendan boyle, very soon. thank you so much. a warning from a republican about what elon musk is missing as he makes his sweeping cuts. we're back in sweeping cuts. we're back in 90s. (man) got one more antoine. (vo) with usps ground advantage, it's like you're with us every step of the way. ♪

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head there of why this will be a problem for republicans? are these firings being seen as done without any kind of empathy or treating these civil servants as human beings? >> absolutely. and i think something someone else that, you know, elon musk should, should email is donald trump to list off his accomplishments and his job, because i think he'd be surprised to see there not many when it comes to federal workers. i think something that is really being lost is one that these are people. but also the federal government is the largest employer in the united states and 75% of the people, civilian workforce for the federal government doesn't actually live in washington, d.c. so i think he's missing the fact that there are going to be a lot of people impacted by this, the people who are actually losing their jobs. you know, you think about a place where federal government building is, you know, i'm from north carolina. we have a lot of federal workers there. there are businesses around there. there are restaurants where people go eat places. people run errands after work. so a lot of those

small businesses are going to be hurt as well. and so in addition to the human aspect of this, you're also just going to see the economic impact of it. you know, as much as there were predictions that there was going to be a recession while joe biden was president, he did a good job of keeping us out of one. but when you are laying off people throughout the country, we're going to be impacted by that. it seems that donald trump is doing quite the opposite of what he promised during the election. >> yeah. carlos, your reaction to your fellow republican about musk lacking compassion and also this from the washington post. here's the, quote, aggressive tactics to reshape the federal government have irritated and blindsided many senior officials in the trump administration. what's your overall take on this? >> alex, i think. >> senator curtis is right. the problem here is not so much. >> the what. >> it's the how. >> i mean. >> most. >> americans agree with the idea of making. government more efficient, getting rid of the waste, any fraud, any abuse, any

inefficiencies. listen. >> let me tell you, i loved hearing jim himes. he said, i have no problem with putting the federal government on a diet. we all get that, you know. >> right? >> the problem is how. >> and we've seen all these stories. >> nbc news. >> has interviewed a lot of these people, veterans who have lost their jobs, people who were doing a good job and were just dismissed. i mean, what senator curtis is saying is absolutely right. we can make government more efficient, but we can do it in a way that's fair, in a way that's transparent, and in a way that most americans can get behind. it's remarkable because elon musk has taken a concept that i think is fairly popular and introduced some toxicity into it, by the way, that he's handling all of this. >> yeah. so there is nbc reporting that federal jobs helped support the black middle class, partially because there were more guardrails to prevent bias in the hiring process compared to the private sector. large percentages of those fired

in some departments were black. what are the long term implications? and is this something black voters are going to remember come election time? >> i think it is something black voters will remember, but something i just really want people to, to think about is there always seems to be a coincidence that the things that donald trump and his administration are targeting always happen to impact people of color and black people the worst. there are a lot of people who work in the federal government. and as you just said, a lot of those who have been laid off are black. i do think this is going to have an impact at the end of the day. there's a lot of things that voters care about, but the thing that is typically on the top of their list is their economic outlook. and when you lose your job and you can point your finger directly at elon musk and president trump, you're going to hold them accountable in the future. the thing about that is donald trump is not going to be on the ballot anymore. and elon musk never will be on the ballot. but a lot of these congressional republicans who have said nothing and done

nothing are going to be the first ones, especially those up in 2026, to pay for these decisions. >> and, carlos, the broader economic impact here, when you have a large amount like this of americans suddenly out of work, is the administration ready for the ripple effects? because already only 32% approve of the job he's doing on inflation. that's according to a reuters poll. >> well, that's right, alex. >> and a lot of people forget. how big of a role the federal government has in facilitating commerce and making sure there can be financial and economic transactions. every day we have inspectors who inspect products that are coming into the country, agriculture inspectors. we have people guaranteeing safety. obviously, the faa, our nuclear program, all of that. so the federal government isn't just a government, it is a facilitator of economic activity. and if we don't have enough people or enough qualified people doing these jobs, that's just not bad for the federal government. it's bad

for the broader economy. it could lead to more inflation. it could hurt the pace of economic activity. so there is a big ripple effect here. and at the end of the day, the biggest issue in the last election was inflation. i'd say immigration is a close second, but inflation is the big reason that a lot of americans swung to donald trump. that is the number one issue that he has to pay attention to. and a lot of what's going on in the federal government add tariffs to it. i mean, this could really make it a more difficult situation when it comes to inflation. >> and shaniqua dodge, it claims to have saved $55 billion through the firings, the canceled contracts and some other actions. but the washington post reports that number is inflated. in fact, more than 400 of canceled contracts actually saved $0. but when his supporters hear that number 55 billion, does it sound like he's getting the job done? and if so, how do democrats combat that?

>> yeah. you know, i think one of the biggest things working against people who are trying to point out what elon musk is doing and the ineffectiveness of it, is a lot of voters don't understand just how big the federal budget is. we have trillions of dollars that that are moving through our economy because of it. but that, you know, $55 billion is a huge number for anyone to grasp if they're comparing it, you know, kind of to their to their own budget. i think unfortunately, a lot of those voters are going to just have to feel the impact of these cuts. you know, they amount to zero, as you said, but also a lot of the other policy decisions that are being made, like around tariffs that will lead to inflation and these layoffs, they're it's all going to come together and culminate. and people are feeling the effects of it. you know, it's going to be hard for us to stay out of a recession. and unfortunately, if people are not going to believe the truth that's put in front of them, i think they're going to have to

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mcfaul. ambassador, is this a positive development? i mean, how how tough is it to get fair terms with everything playing out in the public eye, particularly these antagonistic exchanges between trump and president zelensky? does zelensky have any choice but to give trump what he wants? >> well, first. >> just let me say personally, i find this deal just atrocious and embarrassing as an american. we are asking them to repay us for assistance that our congress, through our democratically elected members of our congress and our president, signed. and there was no clause in that aid that we have to repay it. and by the way, our allies have supported us. they've lost their own soldiers in war with us in places like afghanistan and iraq. and they have never asked us to repay them for the service that they did for the economic and military assistance that they provided for our war. so i

just find this atrocious and appalling. and we're extorting a country that is trying to fight for its life. now, i didn't answer your question, though. your question is, does he have a choice? of course he has no choice. zelensky is first and foremost focused on how to preserve the country that he now is the president of. and he doesn't see any way out but to sign this deal. i was just with members of his government a week ago at the munich security conference. you're showing video of that right now. and they were resigned to the fact that they have to sign it. their only hope is that it will be a vague, more political term that will not just indenture them to be a colony of the united states for decades to come. >> i just want to say that i spoke with senator van hollen in the last hour of maryland, and he echoes your sentiments, his shock as he thinks it's deplorable. having made the analogy, can you imagine if fdr had asked of winston churchill during world war two to pay the

united states, instead of just offering their support in, you know, the rampage of adolf hitler across europe? i mean, he he was equally appalled in that sentiment. so let me ask you what what happened this morning? >> the estonians didn't the estonians didn't ask us to repay them for their sacrifice in afghanistan. i think the american people need to understand this happens when you have allies and partners all the time. and this is a radical departure from any american foreign policy. and i think president trump is losing the american people on this. i think he is he thinks that we want this. he thinks that he has support for it. there are polls show that 80% of the american people don't support don't trust putin. i think he's making a catastrophic mistake here, not just for our foreign policy, but for his own domestic agenda here at home. >> well, this this is what happens when you have a president who sees diplomacy in terms of transactions. but let

me get to this morning, because president zelenskyy said that he would be willing to give up the presidency if it means peace in ukraine. he even suggested his departure in exchange for ukraine's entry into nato. what does that tell you about zelensky, and is there any chance one move could lead to the other? >> well, president zelensky is trying to undermine the myth that he's not a democratically elected leader in ukraine. tragically, again, our president has accused him of being a dictator, even though he was elected in 2019, in a massive win in all parts of ukraine. by the way, not just the west. they have martial law in their constitution. it is supported by the democratically elected parliament there. and yet our president said there need to be new elections in ukraine before putin can negotiate, because zelenskyy is illegitimate. and he just paused for a moment to think about that construction. putin has been in power as a

dictator for 25 years. he came to power in 2000. and yet, somehow, zelenskyy is the illegitimate one. so zelenskyy is calling his bluff and saying if it's a necessary condition to have security guarantees for my country, i'm willing to step down. and by the way, i think he's sincere in that. i do not think he wants to be in power for ever in ukraine. >> yeah, well, special envoy witkoff was asked what russia would have to give up in this peace agreement. and here's his response. take a listen. >> what concessions. >> will. >> russia have to make? >> well, i think in any peace. >> deal. >> each side is going to make concessions, whether it's territorial concessions, whether it's economic concessions. i think there's a whole array of things that happen in a deal, and you'll see concessions from both sides. and that's the president's that's what he does

best. >> okay. so nothing specific there like the mineral rights in ukraine. but is the trump administration putting any russian concessions on the table, and if so, what might they be? >> well, to the best of my knowledge, no. and i've negotiated with the russians on arms control treaties on on sanctions on iran. and i can tell you that when you negotiate with them, you don't give concessions in the beginning and then hope that they're going to give you something later. and right now, the art of the deal, according to president trump, is just to give them everything they have said. zelensky needs to give territory. ukraine can't be a member of nato. there will be no american soldiers, part of a peacekeeping group. russia gets to join the g7. i could go on and on and on. i don't understand the strategy. i mean, i didn't do real estate deals in new york. i don't know how it works there, but i find it strange to believe that you just

give your negotiator everything and then hope that they might give you something in return. i think they got off to a really bad start this week. i hope they regroup and they think about diplomacy 101. there has to be give and take. it just can't be capitulation. and i would just recommend to them all to stop speaking so much in public. real diplomacy. effective diplomacy takes place behind closed doors and not on social media. >> sage advice right there. not surprisingly, coming from you, michael mcfaul. thank you so much, my friend. we'll see you soon. airline safety making recent headlines. we examine the potential impact of president potential impact of president trump's cuts at the faa. next. experience advanced technology in the buick envision. (♪♪) equipped with the largest-in-class ultrawide 30-inch diagonal display and google built-in compatibility, innovation is at your fingertips. buick. exceptional by design.

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>> right, so these are a. >> variety of jobs. >> that. >> most people don't think about because they think of air traffic controllers as being the end all, be all in the tower. but these are people who are doing a lot of stuff on the periphery, talking about charting routes for planes and how they move about the country every day to studying air traffic controller fatigue to, you know, clearing up debris all around. air traffic controller facilities or even at airports. i mean, again, those are the miscellaneous jobs you or i wouldn't be thinking about when we step onto an airplane. but this is the type of role that people who are in probationary on a probationary status have been told, hey, as of tomorrow, you no longer have a job. so whether or not the administration is saying these aren't safety critical jobs, it still injects risk into a system. and by the way, that's a system that has just faced its first major fatal catastrophe in over 16 years. >> yeah, absolutely. i want to pick up on that first example you cited because you spoke with one now former employee who

worked as an aeronautical information specialist. it's part of a small team that pilots and controllers use to create the air maps. i mean, they're essentially highways in the sky. they're the ones creating them. and they said they believe the administration didn't understand how essential these jobs are for safety, but that instead the workers were targeted just as a senseless line item on an excel sheet. from your reporting, how close is that to the truth? >> i mean, again, it's a variety of jobs. and again, no one is thinking about these types of jobs and the highways of the sky. again, your i as an air traveler wouldn't be thinking about somebody sitting in a building somewhere in the country that's mapping out the day to day routes based on weather, based on, you know, space launches, everything, all these types of flights that go the traverse across the country and also take in flights in from europe. i mean, it's a whole load of things for why the national airspace system in the u.s. is the busiest airspace system here, and somebody is

keeping tabs on that and feeding that information to, again, controllers who are bringing in thousands of flights to airports all across the country every single day. and that's the whole faa's role is to manage that and to manage the risk associated when flights come in for landing. >> listen, i'm going to say i fly a lot. i actually do think about these things. i look at the maps on the plane, you know, and the monitor in front of you and the seat. and anybody who doesn't think about it, just look outside and see a plane that is traveling in an opposite direction pretty quickly, and it doesn't look that far away. there's clearly some sort of a highway that has been created, and it's important. i'm curious, though, the mood among the remaining faa employees, and are more cuts expected to come? >> so i think that's the big question mark right now. obviously, we also saw another email go out last night from elon musk's dodge team, which air traffic controllers union last night said that they some of their controllers did receive it. they didn't say what they

were going to do about it, whether or not they're taking it as a guideline of whether they have to, you know, respond to this. but again, it's whether or not more people are going to say, hey, i really need to look at this closely and look at this seriously. and do i have to leave my job tomorrow? >> it's a very important topic. so ariana pollack, we'd love you to come back anytime and update us on what's going on in our skies. thank you. aoc's war of words with president trump's borders are why one writer says aoc is going to come out the winner. that's next. move. >> and doug. >> you'll be back. >> emus can't help people customize. >> and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. >> you're just a flightless bird. >> you know, he's a dreamer, frank. >> he and doug. >> well. i'll be. that bird really did it. really did it. >> only pay for.

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>> let's bring in julio ricardo varela, msnbc columnist and author of this new op-ed, tom homan's obsession with alexandria ocasio-cortez is a political miscalculation. welcome, julio. i'm glad you're here. so in response to this criticism, aoc told you that homan can baselessly threaten duly elected legislators with jail and throw around schoolyard taunts with all he wants. the very fact that he's tripling down publicly is because he knows he has nothing else. so put all this back and forth into perspective. >> yeah. >> i think. >> this comes. >> down to. >> sort of the rhetoric that's coming out of tom homan and basically exaggerating the fact that people have constitutional rights, whether you agree with it or not. that's the law. and there's no crime in in informing anyone in this country that you have constitutional rights when, when enforcement is knocking at your door. so what it really, really is. showing is homan is

just continuing to throw red meat to his supporters. but like aoc said, it's basically said it over the last two weeks and told me it's like, bring it against me, let's go. because i do think it's something that no one's really challenging. homan and i think someone like aoc has definitely taken that mantle. >> so any chance she could get in trouble for her efforts? i mean, because her her pushback is all legit, it seems. >> i mean. >> i'd like to see what goes on, but if it happened, i would think the political spectacle behind it would only raise the stakes here. and also immigrant communities. like i wrote in my piece, there seems to be this defeatist attitude that's happened ever since inauguration day. and so when you see these pockets of hold up, people have rights, we're informing people.

it kind of stops someone like homan in his tracks, and basically all he can do is threaten more. and so it's i just find it to be really interesting that anyone that's actually doing what they can do is, you know, i think is the most american thing to inform people of constitutional rights to then turn around and say, well, that's against the law. it's not against the law. if it's against the law, then show up, arrest, arrest the person, and let's let's see what happens. although i do think it would be a political mistake for any of that, i think aoc would, would welcome it. and i think it would re-energize a lot of people in that, that that are against these policies. >> in terms of re-energizing. in your op ed, you said this could be the opening. democrats need to reengage latinos who have been waiting for someone to stand up. how do you think this could help democrats combat what you're calling trump's anti-immigration machine? and what kind of support is aoc getting from her fellow democrats? >> i mean, i think it's. >> still too early to tell, but

what i write about in the piece and what i argue for is there is this sort of desire by latino and immigrant communities to see some fight in this. and i think overall, if you look at what what has been said about the democratic party, not only on this issue but on other issues, there seems to be this attitude with the democratic party so far that it's like, oh, we can't rock the boat, we can't do anything. and then all of a sudden, you know, you have these moments and what i've been, you know, talking to people in immigrant communities, talking to people across across cities all over the country. there is this feeling of like, yes, we need fighters. this is important. and so if people see this symbolically as sort of an opening, a sense of hope, maybe the next couple of months give people sort of a chance right, to get through this. >> okay. julio ricardo varela, thank you for the chat. appreciate you. new information about the health of pope francis next.

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>> breaking news on pope francis. the vatican out with a new update on his condition. and nbc's claudio lavanga has the very latest from rome. claudio. >> on sunday evening, the vatican said the pope's condition remains critical, even though since saturday he hasn't had any further respiratory crises. at the same time, the vatican says he continues to receive a high flow oxygen therapy through his nostrils to help him breathe better. now, the vatican also says the blood transfusion he received on saturday helped, worked and helped to increase the hemoglobin levels to the point that now that's under control. but the latest blood tests revealed an initial light stages of kidney insufficiency. this is what the vatican is calling it. but that is also, the vatican says, under control for now. it also says the pope is alert.