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>> it is one of the most. >> basic principles of. >> physics, one of. >> newton's laws. for every. action there. >> is an equal and opposite reaction. >> and now. one month and. >> one day. >> into donald trump's second presidency. >> one month and one day since. >> donald trump. unleashed elon musk and his. >> band of 20 something. >> coders to gut the justice. >> department and. >> the fbi. >> and the. >> faa and. >> usaid and the. >> department of homeland. >> security and the irs and. >> the va. >> and the pentagon. one month and one day of donald trump terrifying and destabilizing our allies by cozying up to vladimir putin and insulting president zelensky and claiming that he and ukraine started the war. one month and one day of donald trump's administration deporting thousands of migrants, many of

whom have no criminal record at all. one month and one day with no relief. none. things going in the wrong direction on the question of inflation and the price of eggs. one month and one day of all that, we now have a better sense of what will oppose donald trump and his anti-democratic overreach. what? newton's law. for every action an equal and opposite reaction might look like in our country, and sounds like things like this. will you. >> make sure. >> hungry kids. get fed and five year olds aren't being married? or are you going. >> to take education. >> very seriously? i think i can be transformative. >> school lunches. >> why is. >> this. >> being jammed. >> down the pipe. >> so rushed. >> and sloppily so. >> you got the. >> i understand. >> is when. >> you say. >> you have this. >> many employees that you. >> have to cut, that

organization decides who they're going to cut. now, they may make. >> that it's clear. >> from all the writings of our founding. fathers that our great republic was never meant to be ruled. >> by a. >> dictator, nor a. >> king who. >> has a. >> room full of ordinary voters who gathered at a town hall in georgia last night to hear republican congressman rich mccormick. and he's the one who got an earful from his constituents. he was greeted by boo boos and catcalls as hundreds of critics jeered his backing of president donald trump's agenda during his first month in office. then there was this a little bit ago, inside the white house state dining room, the democratic governor of maine refusing to back down when donald trump sought to bully and threaten her publicly over enforcing his administration's restrictions on transgender rights. >> the ncaa has complied

immediately, by the way. that's good, but i understand maine is maine here. the governor of maine, right i. >> am i'm here. >> are you not going to comply with that? >> i'm complying. >> with the state and. >> federal law. >> well, we are the federal law. well, you better. do it. you better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't. and by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, although i did very well there, your population doesn't want in playing in women's sports. so you better comply because otherwise you're not getting any, any federal funding. every state. good. i'll see you in court. i look forward to that. that should be a real easy one. and enjoy your life after governor. because i don't think you'll be in elected politics. >> i will see you in court. but the most comprehensive and eloquent rebuke of donald trump's first month came from illinois governor j.b. pritzker. >> we don't. >> have kings in. >> america, and i don't intend. >> to bend the knee to one.

>> if you. >> think i'm overreacting. and sounding the alarm too soon, consider this it took the nazis one month, three weeks, two days, eight hours and 40 minutes to dismantle a constitutional republic. and all i'm saying is that when the five alarm fire starts to burn, every good person better be ready to man a post with a bucket of water. if you want to stop it from raging out of control, tyranny requires your fear and your silence and your compliance. democracy requires your courage. so gather your justice and humanity, illinois. and do not let the tragic spirit of despair overcome us when our country needs us the most. thank you. >> tyranny requires your fear and your silence and your compliance. democracy requires your courage. that is where we

start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. atlanta journal constitution reporter greg bluestein is back with us. he was at that town hall. we showed you first. also joining us, former rnc spokesman and host of the bulwark podcast, tim miller is here. puck news senior political columnist john heilemann is back and with me at the table for the hour, host of msnbc's politics nation, the president of the national action network, the reverend al sharpton is here. rev, i start with you because you know, more than all of us combined about activism and about opposition and about holding elected officials feet to the fire that was just from the last 48 hours. what do you think? >> i think. >> we're seeing. >> a rise. >> in activism. we're seeing. >> a groundswell. >> of people. >> that are saying, wait a minute. this is either not what i voted for because some of these people are trump supporters. the town hall with the congressman was not a blue district. and then others are

saying that our worst fears have come alive. and when you start seeing thousands of people all over the country are marching about the federal layoffs and you see the town hall meetings, you're beginning to remember that what a lot of people forgot when he went in in 16 and said he was going to end the affordable care act and end obamacare. it was the same organic rise up that we saw people at town hall meetings of their congressman or congresswoman. people started rallying. people started marching and it went all the way through. then when george floyd happened, all of us was out there. we're beginning to see the same kind of reaction to donald trump in his second term. and we're only in the third week. >> yeah. tim miller, the bulwark has a great piece with a federal worker who voted for donald trump because he wanted his business acumen, and he's one of the federal workers who has been fired. and i think what's important about the piece is what's important about the rev's point, about the town hall is we speak with such despair as

though the information silos are made of concrete and nothing gets through. you know, one side or the other that's been disproven in the last month. the things that trump has done are abundantly clear to people who voted for him. and i wonder what you think of this moment. >> it has. well, i'm. >> encouraged in. >> this moment that. >> some. >> some slumbering bears. >> seem to have been awoken. >> in the in. >> the elected democratic. >> class. >> which is good. but also. >> among people, you know, and i think that it was rational and sensible for people to be disheartened after the election, i was disheartened. if i if this wasn't my job, i probably would have taken a month off. >> to. >> you know. >> and so. >> i understand that. but eventually, over time, you know, we all knew those of us who have watched donald. trump closely. >> who are aware. >> of his many bankruptcies and the fact that he left his first. >> term. >> you know, with the economy in tatters and. you know, poop smeared on the capitol, that he was going to have a similar result this time, and it was

just going to be a matter of what and how. and we really are already seeing some of that. you know, it is easy to demonize bureaucrats broadly. it is true that the federal government could be more efficient. but what is also true is that when you bring in somebody who has no expertise on this, who seems completely addled, who is wearing sunglasses and carrying a chainsaw, and at a conservative rally yesterday and just have him willy nilly fire a bunch of people, fire veterans, fire trump supporters, you know, fire people that contribute to their community without any review or any care about what happens to them. well, there's going to be negative political ramifications about that. you know, propaganda, the fox propaganda machine and the other maga propaganda machines can't make people not feel what is really happening. and so i do think that, you know, eventually over time, this stuff is going to continue to build as these guys continue to fail and fail

and they will. >> greg bluestein, you were in the room. tell us about this gathering of constituents and what they had to say to republican member of congress. >> yeah, some of the rev said, really struck me because it really did remind me of covering those tea party movement gatherings, those those protests at town hall meetings 15 years or so years ago. this, though, felt very organic. to my knowledge, there was not some big national effort behind this. local parties and really local citizens were bubbling up from the grassroots level to go to this event and hundreds were there. many were there waiting outside and weren't even let in. it was cold. and so many of them went home, but others were stuffed into overflow rooms, and there was a huge crowd in the actual room where the congressman was. there was, was was, you know, delivering his remarks. and the pushback was real. i mean, this is the first time in georgia since trump's election where i've seen this amount of pushback in public. there's been protests. there's

been there's been movements, but nothing like this before. and it reminds me, too, that, you know, after trump's election, a number of georgia democratic leaders said, look, we're in wait and see mode. we're going to wait and see what happens. it seems like the time to wait and see is long past right now, a month into trump's term. so democrats are really starting to push back. >> and these just to be clear, i mean, this looked like people who were disappointed that they had sent him there. this crowd seemed to at least represent themselves in their statements, as you know, at least some of them voting for donald trump and the republican congressman. is that a fair read of what we heard? >> yeah. and look, some were republicans, some were democrats. this was sort of the tail end of the southern end of congressman mccormick's district. he is not a maga warrior, per se. you know, he's not marjorie taylor greene. he supported the president, and he's and he's he's behind him, you know, right now, 100%. but originally he supported ron desantis, his presidential campaign. so he was maybe the most prominent republican in

georgia, other than maybe governor kemp and secretary of state brad raffensperger, not to support donald trump. you know, early on in his campaign. but at the same time, these were voters who are saying, hey, look, even though you say you're this independent, maverick character, show it. and, you know, and he has had a string of controversial, contentious statements that they wanted to hold him to account. >> john heilemann, it is remarkable. i listened to everything that that that greg and others posted from the constituents. and to understand what has gotten through, despite all the things we talk about all the time. like i said, the information silos or fox news not telling them the truth. this is constituents saying we don't have a dictator or a king. they understand the distinction between someone like trump who won, won the popular vote, won the electoral college, and certainly has the authority to do a lot. they understand the overreach. they understand the clunkiness and the lack of a scalpel. but the deploying of a of a sledgehammer to the federal

workforce. and i think there's some real exposure right now to trump politically. what do you think? >> oh, i certainly think that's right, nicole. and, you know. we live in a time when. when a lot of the old rules of politics. >> that you. >> and. >> reverend tim learned in the in the trenches that they don't apply anymore. >> you know, but. >> i think but i think i think political physics has not been repealed. and i think if you do, if you do radical things that cut deep. that cut indiscriminately, that as we point out, often when we see trump doing these various things to, to try to strip the government down to its studs, you know, those bureaucrats that they assail, you know, another name for them is public servants. another name for them is just federal employees. there's millions of them. there's a lot of people who depend on those employees for

services. eventually, you know, once you get past those first, that first 30 plus one days or past the first 100 days, eventually political physics and political gravity are going to start to weigh, and people are going to start to feel that this stuff actually kick in. and i don't think, at least so far. i mean, i've seen a lot of evidence that that donald trump and his in his, in his rise and sustained era here has been immune to some of the old laws of politics. but i do not yet think that the laws of political physics have been repealed. and i will say, if you listen to that exchange with, with the governor from maine, with, with with janet mills from maine, you, you hear trump say this thing that is, again, incredibly revealing when she says, we're going to comply with federal law. and he says, we are federal law. yeah, we are federal law. anyone who doubts that trump thinks he is as he has declared himself a king, and that, you know, he who saves his country can can violate no law. anyone who doubts that trump really

doesn't think that he is the state. now listen to that. it's a small little thing, but we are federal law. not really. >> yeah. yeah. it's amazing. it's a it's a it's an amazing thing to pick up on. and i wonder, tim miller your thoughts about, you know, again, it is more than the substance of the exchange. it is the method by which trump is seeking to publicly. and there's an open press event, say you will do what i say. you will not, which is the opposite of following federal law and your state laws. or i will punish you in these three ways. i will strip funding from your state. i will end your political career as an act of retribution. and i will confront you here in this room, you know, publicly shame you into doing it. i mean, the bullying on full display is not why he won. the rewriting of the federal laws and who has to follow them was was not you know, it was

something we feared he would do, but it was not something he ran on. there's no mandate to do that. and his poll numbers have taken a hit. 58% of respondents in a six day survey said they're concerned that federal programs such as social security, retirement payments and student aid will be delayed by musk's campaign. 71% of americans agree with the statement that the very wealthy have too much influence on the trump white house. 69% say they think the wealthy are making money off their connections to the white house. even among americans who said they strongly identify as maga, 44% think the richest americans are profiting from white house connections. i mean, elon musk's many, many i think he had 11 contracts that were somehow ensnared in either regulatory questions or legal questions. that was not a secret to the maga base. >> yeah. two thoughts on that. one on the bullying part. first of janet mills. and also yesterday i interviewed robert garcia, the congressman who got

an intimidating and bullying letter from the acting u.s. attorney that we've talked about on the show, ed martin, you know, threatening him over like a figure of speech that he used in an interview about elon musk. right. and saying that that was a real threat and that he's going to be investigated, you know, which is obviously nonsense and an attack on free speech. but that's what these guys are going to try to do. they want to bully and intimidate people. and i do think it's encouraging that governor mills and congressman garcia have just said no, like, i'm not going to be bullied by that and stand up to it and show, you know, just how kind of hollow those threats are, because i you know, i think that courage is contagious on that stuff. >> to be continued. such a great conversation. i'm grateful to all of you. greg bluestein leaves us, tim, john and the rest stick around after the break. a dose of reality for donald trump from his home town. favorite home town tabloid newspaper. don't go anywhere. that's next. >> i feel. >> like new sunglasses.

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>> take a look at the cover of the typically trump friendly new york post today, quote, president trump, this is a dictator. it's the latest in what has become a steady drumbeat of rebukes and to donald trump's earth two rhetoric, that it's ukraine's president who is the dictator, and that somehow ukraine is responsible for vladimir putin's brutal invasion of the country of ukraine. this comes after another murdoch owned media outlet, the wall street journal, this week warned of donald trump's, quote, sell out of ukraine. and it's not just the murdoch media empire that's finding itself at odds. all of a sudden, the leader of the gop. here's gop senator thom tillis yesterday. >> whoever believes. >> that there is. >> any space for vladimir putin. >> in the. >> future of. >> a stable. >> globe. >> better go to ukraine. they better. >> go to europe. >> they better. >> invest the time.

>> to. >> understand that this man is a cancer. >> and the greatest threat. >> to. democracy in my lifetime. when i. >> tell you that vladimir putin is a. >> liar. >> a murderer. >> and a man. >> responsible for ordering the systematic torture, kidnaping and. >> rape of innocent. >> civilians, believe me. because the evidence is mile high. >> we're back with tim, john, and the reverend john heilemann again. embers. right. embers. >> embers. and, you know, in the case of senator tillis, he's someone who we have we know we have our eye on. right. he's a person who clearly knows better, knows you know, his private views are are probably up with respect to trump, not that far from yours. but, you know, he's running for reelection in two years. the concerns he has about a primary have kept him totally on the trump reservation when it comes to votes that people thought they might be able to get from him in opposition to

some of the various horsemen of the apocalypse, who who got confirmed in the gabbard. patel. et cetera wing of the of the cabinet appointments. and then he gives that speech yesterday, which is a really fiery speech. really impressive. nicole. he's saying all the right things about vladimir putin. can somebody please play me the clip where he uses donald trump's name and says the donald trump is wrong for pursuing the policy that he's pursuing. that's the logical extension of his views about vladimir putin. senator tillis is trying to have it both ways here. he's trying to get credit from us for being strong against putin and strong for zelensky. but he's not willing to take the next step, which is to draw the logical conclusion, the logical inference, which is donald trump holds the opposite views of me on this. and this is why donald trump is wrong. when he starts to cross that rubicon, i will start to give him more credit for political courage. >> i mean, tim miller, this shouldn't even be news, right? like it shouldn't even be news that the new york post can say that putin's a dictator and put

it on the cover. that one republican, to howard's point, can go to the floor. and i believe that's bucha. bucha is where russia carried out such heinous war crimes and atrocities against civilians that that national security officials, you know, were emotional talking about it. i mean, people couldn't even talk about what they what they'd seen and what had happened. it happened, i think, the first month after the embarrassment of russia's botched attempted caravan to kyiv. and the reality is that that if we if we proceed with our capitulation to vladimir putin, the whole country could risk turning into bucha, and that would be on america's hands. that would be because of who we voted for, for president. and that would be on thom tillis hands, because instead of walking down to the white house and refusing to leave until donald trump talked to him, he did what john heilemann just said. he gave a speech and didn't say trump's name. >> yeah, nice speech, tom, but he had a chance to do something about this. over the past few

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their country, are looking around the world and saying that the united states, the country that since world war two has been on the side of democracies, is now not only just maybe walking away, but actually siding with the aggressor, with the autocratic regime. i can't overstate how different this is in the post-world war two america, and i think ronald reagan must be rolling over in his grave right now to watch a republican administration, after all he did to help us win the cold war. now, not only sort of supporting putin's position at the table, but just sort of gushing over him in this bromance that they have. so it's a really disturbing day because it will have impacts on international security and on the security of the united states. full stop. >> can you explain that to us? how does that how does that impact our ability to protect ourselves? how does that impact intelligence sharing? how does that impact what our allies will

share with us? >> sure. well, it certainly i think it makes them hedge. and we saw that in europe this past week. again, the european leaders were like, look, we usually take our cues from the united states. we usually come to you first. we usually push off. if the russians want to make a deal with us, or the chinese want to make a deal with us, because we always prefer to be working with you and take our cues from you. that's now not the case. they will openly say, like, you know, you've been the leader for 70 years. we're not so sure you're the leader of the next 100 years. so that's not good. when they when they perceive us as weak, they perceive us as not serious. but i think more importantly is, you know, you can think whatever you want if you're, you know, watching the situation in ukraine. but guess who's taking notes on everything that's happening? the chinese government, the chinese, which are our major competitor, they're looking and they're basically saying america just doesn't have the willpower to actually defend. when a democracy is invaded. that's important for us to know, because maybe we're interested in taking over territory like

taiwan. so i just think it's not just about ukraine. it's about the signal it sends, about america retreating from the world and being totally fine to cede leadership to places like russia or china. >> what do you hear when you hear an american president say, it doesn't matter what happens there? we have an ocean. i mean, i you know, the history of pearl harbor and 911 is that those oceans didn't do us much good here at home. >> yeah. i mean, look, it would be great if we lived in a world where the only threats to the u.s. homeland came from people walking right up to our borders. right. it's just look at look at what happens across the world on a daily basis. there are plots to kidnap and kill american citizens every single week. there are plots to attack our homeland every single week. and i think the idea that somehow we're protected by some ocean when we just had a domestic terrorism attack, two of them right around christmas time.

right. new orleans and las vegas. the idea that we're somehow separated from the world when we have an incredibly connected and globalized world is just, at this point, ignorance. that's just willful ignorance. it just it doesn't make sense. >> you've got a lot of examples of the republicans collapsing onto themselves and ceasing to be a political party at all, let alone one with beliefs that are the same from the time the sun comes up to when it goes down. their beliefs about putin might be at least a temporary exception. i'm going to show you something that senator roger wicker said yesterday to cnn. >> you think that putin can be trusted in these negotiations? no. >> putin is a war criminal and should be in jail for the rest of his life, if not executed. vladimir putin has violated every tenet of international law. >> at least as of the time of that interview. wicker, not on

board with trump's embrace of vladimir putin. do you have any back channel to republicans or any? do you dare to hope that they'll stand up to trump on the issue of ukraine? >> well, look, we don't need a back channel. he's the chairman of the senate armed services committee. i'm on that committee. i'm the most junior member. and i was traveling with him and others to munich this past weekend. and i think it is interesting to me that today, just the sheer number of republicans who have come out in the senate and actually said, no, i don't think it's a good thing to cozy up to putin. no, you know, i don't think this leads to good places. i wish they would do that on domestic issues. right. but it is interesting to watch, and it's because they know the precedent this sets. it's because they all complained about the really bad pullout from afghanistan and the video and images that that left the world with. they know that the same thing times ten is going to happen. if we just hand over ukraine to putin. so i it's been interesting to me you don't need a back channel. they've said more today in the past ten

hours than they have about almost any other domestic issue. and i hope i would love if this was the thing that helped get them a little bit more backbone. on pushing back on donald trump. it does not make us more safe. >> what do you do then, if they're going to find their spines in this news cycle? and i share your hope that they that they put actions behind their public statements of the last 48 hours. but what do you do with the people they've already acquiesced to having in the cabinet? people like tulsi gabbard? >> yeah, i mean, this is where intelligence sharing. i it's hard to sometimes understand how the decisions that happen in washington can actually result in people being less safe in a place like michigan where i represent. right? when you put these people in charge of the intelligence community, they're making decisions in the dead of night that american citizens never hear about. they're making choices about plots and how to disrupt them. they're working with our allies and partners to share in real time information to protect the u.s. homeland. and people have no idea what

these people do every single day. and now you're putting people in charge who just do not have the character or the competence to be in those jobs. we don't complain about these people just because we they're from another party. the president has the right to nominate people. i complain about them because they will make us less safe. i do not trust their judgment in the dead of night. and now our allies will be hedging and thinking to myself, thinking themselves, do i share information about russia with the us? do i share this tactical information with the united states? if they're just going to turn around and maybe share it with their new, you know, partners, the russians? it just is. people don't understand that it will make us less safe. >> this was argued sort of on the sidelines of a very abbreviated presidential contest. but the public didn't decide that trump's affinity for putin was okay. i mean, his hard line supporters at his rallies feel that way about putin, sort of the tucker carlson slice. but

81% of americans do not trust vladimir putin. how do you make sure that public pressure keeps republicans from acquiescing to trump's capitulation to russia? >> well, look, i mean, it's already happening. michigan has a big ukrainian american population. and they've already organized a rally for sunday. i mean, people are speaking up, and that's from a state that the president won. president trump won and a swing state. so we need people to demonstrate their voice on this issue and a bunch of other issues. and i think, again, he's been flooding the zone with so many different decisions, so many different announcements that people are not sure where to look. now. they're starting to figure out what is truly like strategic and irreversible. that he could do that is worth their time in speaking out about. and so it's coming out from the grassroots. that rally wasn't planned by any senators. that's ukrainian americans saying we're not going to let this happen. >> you've talked about the trump strategy of flooding the zone.

you've been pushing back on multiple fronts. i wonder if you can just share with our viewers how you're fighting back against the other overreaches, the seemingly illegal efforts to fire independent agencies to move coders and programmers into sensitive areas where people's private data is at risk of being leaked. how are you fighting those fights as a senator? >> yeah, i mean, there's basically four ways for any people to think about pushing back on some of these things again that are putting our, our citizens at risk. number one is legislation and appropriation, right. what we're doing here in the senate, we're in the minority, but we certainly have the ability to affect changes here. not as many as i'd like, but that's a vehicle. number two is litigation. and that's become a real front foot. we've got people who are firing off cases, particularly, you know, from the state of michigan against doge and their access to our personal information, our health information. what kind of

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right now on netflix zero day. zero day tells the story of a former american president named george mullin, played by robert de niro, who is pulled out of retirement in the wake of a cyber terrorist attack to investigate what happened and who carried out that attack on american soil, all while the country is as unsettled and deeply divided as ever. here's a look. >> we're americans. >> what are. >> we doing? >> we're supposed. >> to. >> be. standing up for each other. we're supposed to be. >> helping each other. well, you. >> think you're doing the right thing. no you're not. you're afraid. you're not. >> behaving. >> like an american nor a patriot. you're here standing up for the little guy, the working man. well, there are working. >> men and. >> women buried right beneath our feet. right here. you don't trust the government. >> i get that. >> it hasn't always come through for everybody. but this isn't about the government or the 1% or whatever the hell you want to call them. it's about somebody out there that hates us and stands against everything that we stand for. everything that makes us who we are. and they

found a way to hurt us. it's that simple. and right now, these people need to get back to work and get those people out. and you need to let them. you want to stand by and offer your support and your prayers. that's great. but please just do it from behind the barricade. >> all right. >> get out. >> if the speech or the applause it brought gave you the feels, you're not alone. zero day is brought to us by some familiar faces to this program. mike schmidt, who is also my husband. for the purposes of this segment and otherwise, noah oppenheim and eric newman are the co-creators and executive producers behind the series. eric, i'm going to start with you. so these two come to you and say, we have this idea. then what happens? >> it actually began. >> noah and i met with friends. we've been friends for a long time. i knew, of course, who mike was. i didn't know him personally. i've now had the immense pleasure of spending a

lot. >> of time. >> we got dressed up for you. >> he really did. >> it. did that for us. >> a second. >> ago, like. >> wow. >> we. noah and i met and we were talking about. i had asked him in his capacity as the head of nbc news. you know what? what's coming. you know that obviously you can't, you know, have have lived in this country in the past 20 years and not seen a trend with how we process information and what then becomes our truth. and he scared me, of course, by telling me that we were headed into an even more polarized, separate realities where where different people accept different things as truth and they're mutually exclusive and yet have to coexist. and he told me about what mike was working on at the time, and it just immediately sparked this idea of like, wow, we need to do a show about this. and then the next thing we knew,

we were talking to robert de niro about it and off we went. >> as people just kind of happened sometimes. let me ask you this. i mean, i'm i'm a big homeland devotee. i quote carrie mathison all the time, and you're. and zero day is directed by by leslie. but. and homeland was so on the nose of our post 911 cia and realities. but this sits right in the pocket of our of our of our political divisions today. how does how does that feel and how do you make something like that? that's so on the nose. >> i mean, you know, it's a constant sort of meta exercise because as we're, as we're making this show and the three of us are sitting there on set with leslie at the monitor, something happens in the news that happens in our show. i mean, there were things that, you know, when we wrote the show in, in early, say, 2022, we were actually really writing a lot of the things that have come to pass and that, you know, maybe people say we're mirroring in our show hadn't happened yet. and so, you know, like, i think

all of us, if you look a 25 years ago, if someone were to tell you any of the 50 things that have happened in our world, you wouldn't believe any of them. and, you know, it's that sort of remarkable. and so i think for us, this opportunity to be able to address this in a story and put a character in the center of it, played by bob, who's mechanism by which truth is determined is actually broken. it just seemed like such an unbelievable opportunity to sort of state that case. >> i mean, noah, the thing that eric is describing is sort of the tension and the trauma is the terrorist attack. but what you guys do to us as viewers is you lay tension and trauma on top of that in bob's character. explain. >> yeah. >> well, i mean. >> you know, as. >> eric alluded to. >> you know, the. >> character of george. >> mullin. >> which bob. >> plays, is put in. >> charge of. >> this investigation. >> that. >> has massive consequences. right. how do. we figure. >> out who did this? >> how do we prevent another. >> attack like this? but what

you realize. >> early on in the series. >> is that he is going through something that is. making it very difficult for him to determine reality from from fantasy. and that felt like a terrific metaphor for our whole. society's apparent inability to determine reality from fantasy. and, you know, in a way of also commenting on what is. the greatest danger we face, right? we could all list the challenges in the world, whether it's another an actual cyber attack or, god forbid, a nuclear incident or climate change, you name it, whatever scares you. the problem we have fundamentally beneath all that is, is that we can't begin to confront those things unless we can all agree on a common reality, a common set of facts. and without that, all those other challenges are going to go unaddressed. >> and i have a special window into some of what animated this for you. and it's the people wielding power. talk about that. >> well. >> i love, i. >> think. >> problems where. >> there's no. >> one else to call. >> or particularly fascinating. so in this.

>> case. >> you have a. >> federal government. >> and someone in george mullin trying to get. >> to the. >> bottom of something happens and there's no. >> one else. >> that can. >> help him. there's no other government to call. there's no other investigative commission to call in the same way that that folks that ran these investigations into our own government had no one else to help them. they're left by themselves. and this show allows us to see what would happen. how would the united states react if there was a catastrophic attack? would the country respond the way it did after nine over 11, or would it respond in a far different way because there is no shared truth? and i think all three of us deeply feel that if something like this were to happen, where 3000 people, you know are killed, as they are in the show, that that the country would really struggle. and we're trying to bring attention to that and we're trying to say, hey, dear america, you know, there are real dangers out there. and if they happen, what

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