>> it's very ivory tower. it's very. take the high road. it's very well, i, you know, i at least can say that i, you know, i reached across the aisle or the decorum. they're worried about order and decorum. it's like no one cares about that anymore. >> no one cares. >> and that's how i definitely doesn't care. so why are you trying to play by. you know, to use a sports analogy, you're using an outdated playbook. it doesn't work. >> my conversations with jamal hill was you just saw a clip of and governor jb pritzker dropped tomorrow morning, you can listen wherever you get your podcasts. that does it for me today, but we'll be back here tomorrow night at 8 p.m. eastern. in the meantime, stay right where you are because there's much more news coming up on msnbc. >> and on this new hour of ayman, the pentagon firings that defy logic happening at a time of serious geopolitical turmoil. plus, trump faces one legal setback after another, blocking

key parts of his promised agenda. and senator sanders takes his anti oligarchy message straight to the heart of gop districts. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. historically, defense secretaries have had one main goal to prepare u.s. forces to combat or overpower foreign enemies. but our current secretary of defense and former tv host, pete hegseth is focused on taking down the enemy within from the so-called marxists in government and the media to anyone who he sees as making the military woke. on friday, he fired six top pentagon officials, including the first woman to lead the navy, the vice chief of the air force and the top lawyers for the army, navy and air force. the most notable name on that list, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general charles brown junior, who held the position of the highest ranking military officer in this country. and this is

what he said about the post just a few months ago. >> you got to fire. >> the chairman of the joint chiefs and you got. to fire this. i mean, obviously, you bring in a new secretary of defense, but any general that was involved, general, admiral. >> whatever that was. >> involved in. >> any of the die woke. >> it's got to go. >> yeah. >> he also previously attacked brown junior and questioned whether he had gotten this far in his career due to his race. now, brown junior was a four star general and former fighter pilot who served in the air force for three decades. he led a fighter wing in south korea, and in 2016, he oversaw air force operations in the middle east and central asia. but he painted a very different story about brown junior in his book, the war on warriors. in it he writes, quote, military standards have officially been subsumed by war priorities. you think cq brown will think intuitively about external threats and internal readiness? no chance. he built his generalship dutifully, pursuing the radical positions of left wing politicians, who in turn

rewarded him with promotions. but it wasn't a left wing politician who nominated him to become the first black general to lead a military branch. it was actually president donald trump back in 2020. and now democrats are furious about brown junior's abrupt firing. and this is what senator jack reed said about it this morning. >> well, it was completely unjustified. these men and. >> women were superb professionals. they were committed. >> to their oath to defend the constitution of the united states. >> so we're looking at a. very dangerous. >> undermining of the values of our military. >> and the repercussions are. >> being felt already. >> people questioning. >> whether they should stay. >> talented leaders. >> wondering if. >> they should get out. >> and that takes us to another point. since heath is railing against military officials who he claims don't have enough experience. who does he have in mind to replace general brown? well, he and trump have tapped this guy, general dan cane, a

relative unknown even inside the pentagon. he has extensive military experience, but does not meet the legal requirements for the job. in fact, nominees for joint chiefs of staff must have served as either vice chairman or branch chief or combat command combatant commander. cane has done none of the above. but remember, in trump, world loyalty is the most reliable predictor of success. so far, every comment the president has made about cane is about the sacrifices he is willing to make, not for the good of the country, but for donald trump. let's be clear here trump is doing exactly what he accuses dei advocates of doing. playing favorites. and that also goes for pete hegseth, a largely considered one of the least qualified picks for secretary of defense in our nation's history. with each passing day, their reckless campaign against woke elites is poised to chip away at our country's national security. with me now my panel for the hour, danielle moody, the host of the danielle moody show on youtube and co-host of the

democracy ish podcast, and hayes brown, writer and editor for msnbc daily. good to have both of you with us. danielle, first, your takeaways from the purge that we saw at the pentagon this week may continue even going forward. but what do you make of the way donald trump has replaced these people and the what appears to be the qualification of the new joint chiefs of staff? >> i mean, donald trump's entire cabinet is di didn't earn it at. >> all, right? >> like, if we want to really dig into it, you have what? reality tv stars. you have talk show hosts, and then you have people that are willing to lick his boots. that's who donald trump has put in charge of our national security. we have been let's see. we have wars in ukraine. we have gaza. we have instability around the world. but his folks, what are they looking at? they're looking at a giant purge of woke generals. i

can think of no other industry that probably lacks quote unquote, wokeness than the military. and yet, somehow you have pete hegseth, whose claim to fame is being a fox news host, talking about the qualifications of, what did you say, a four star general, somebody who was a fighter pilot like pete hegseth, can't hold a candle and shouldn't even be coming out of his mouth with the things that he says. but this is what donald trump believes. you replace highly qualified, over qualified black brown people, women, queer people from these ranks, and you put in underqualified. i can't think of a lesser word than mediocre white men to fill those positions. i can't think of anything other than didn't earn it. >> hayes. you know, you look at trump and he seems to have had a particular obsession with this specific role of the joint chiefs. and a large part of that has to do with, of course, mark milley. you know, for his criticism of donald trump in the

past and the threats that he felt donald trump posed to our democratic system. but, you know, he appointed cq brown junior as a general in this position back in 2020. and ultimately, he put him on the path to where he got. and now pete hegseth comes in and donald trump have basically soured on him because they were part of that. mark milley, you know. yeah. team. >> it's hard to say who this is more coming from at this point. trump or hegseth, because he clearly has had beef with this guy for a long time. so an easy target to as someone to demonize and paint as this is the problem. this is the woke black man who is the issue with the military. so as long as we deal with him, we have he has a target. trump. he's obsessed with central casting. i remember back in the first term when he when he chose rex tillerson to become the secretary of state based solely on his look. and i

feel like that's probably among the reasons why we got nominated to this spot where he is not qualified, just on paper, not qualified for the role. and i think it's interesting that we're going to have to see lawmakers decide how they feel about this, because they are going to have to vote on a waiver to get kaine into that position. so they don't have to be on record as saying, yeah, we think this guy is totally qualified to become the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. we're okay with this. we're fine with this. so i'm very curious to see how many, especially defense hawks amongst the gop, are willing to go along with this. >> let me play for you. pete hegseth was on this morning was on fox. let me play for you what he said. take a listen. >> there's no list, shannon. >> i've heard that. >> i've seen that very rumor. >> although we have a very keen eye. >> toward military leadership and their willingness to follow lawful orders. >> you know, republican

lawmakers brought this up, this list in the first place, right? and some of the people he fired were named in this book. we played that clip earlier. and after seeing who was fired on friday, do you at all think there's any truth to his comments that he does not have a targeting list? >> is he on a book junket? is that what he's. is that what he's doing? it's like, oh, look, if you turn to page four. no, i don't think that anything that he's saying you can deem as truthful. look, and we have to call this what this is. we continue to use their language in order to define what this is. this is white supremacy. this is about pushing out black people, people of color, women and queer people from any positions of power and saying that they did not get there because of their qualifications or their merits or their hard work, and putting in underqualified, mediocre white people. we cannot just call this wokeness. this is what white supremacy looks like. and so that's what this is, right? he he was questioned about the

tattoos on his body. seth was right. called out by one of his one of his fellow colleagues about, well, isn't that a white nationalist symbol that he has on his body? right. so, like, we have to call these people what they are and not use their language to define this moment. this moment is about pushing black people and people of color out in order to put underqualified white men in these positions. >> what do you think you know about the chaos that this creates? just in our national security apparatus, when you have this attempt to fire people and then realize like, oh, wait, we can't fire all of these people. and then some people are like, wait, hold on. these are people that are doing critical jobs, like managing our nuclear weapons. we can't do that. so we got to bring them back and we're trying to rehire them. but just the chaos of the moment and the impact that it would have on our national security. >> yeah, i feel like these are the sorts of things that, look, i'm never going to sit up here and be like, the pentagon needs more money and more staffers.

that's not something i believe. i think that there are definitely cuts that can and should be made to the military budget and to the pentagon and the civilian staff. it is bloated. but what we're seeing is not anything targeted. it's not the result of an audit. it is random firings based on what who is easiest to get rid of right now. so there are going to be regrets. we've seen regrets already as the sort of slapdash, chaotic cuts are taking place when they realize, oh wait, we have no idea what this person did. we had no idea what this department or this agency really did when you boil down to it. so i think we're going to see more layoffs and they are going to impact national security, because when you have people who are doing mission critical work and you don't know how to get in touch with them, what is the continuity in place here? people are locked out of their email immediately, and there's something very important waiting for them. yeah, things are going to get lost. things are going to get the ball is going to be dropped in some areas. someone's inbox right now, i'm sure, has

something very critical sitting in it that no one is looking at. >> there's another aspect about this, and that has to do with the personnel themselves and the safety, in particular the safety of women. the military froze sexual assault prevention training shortly after trump's executive order. of course, sexual assault in the military is more common now than it was 20 years ago, believe it or not. and of course, you're looking at somebody like pete hegseth. how will his actions, even if the fact that someone like him is in the role, you know, how does it negatively impact the already toxic culture that is synonymous with the military when it comes to women and sexual assault? >> i mean, i think that it increases it on a huge level because we already had a decrease in the amount of women in the military who would come out right and say that they were sexually assaulted. why? because they needed to go through this certain chain of command. well, what if the person at the top was the one that sexually assaulted them? there was no outside independent way to do

this. and this is something that senator gillibrand had been working on for a really long time. you know, probably ever since she entered into congress. and so here you have another person inside of trump's world who was also accused of sexual assault in these roles. like, what do we think the culture is going to be inside of these places? i mean, again, the string that goes through all of trump's nominees and picks is some type of rap sheet that includes some type of sexual assault, harassment, something that is not good and toxic, that has to do with women. so i, you know, i worry for them and their safety. but again, this is another way to push women out and then have no women want to come in to the military because are they going to be protected? >> all right. danielle, hey. stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss coming up after the break. elon musk's threat to the fbi gets pushback from an the fbi gets pushback from an unexpected trump loyalist. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... ...being me.

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1-800-403-7539. >> with the single social media post. elon musk has sparked a civil war over his threats to the fbi. yesterday, the unelected billionaire took to x, writing consistent with president trump's instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week. failure to respond will be taken as a resignation. nbc news confirms federal workers did receive an email last night requesting summaries of their work, with a

deadline set for tomorrow. just a few hours ago, the defense department put out a statement on x telling pentagon staffers to disregard musk's demands. and tulsi gabbard, the director of the office of national intelligence, sent a message to intel officials saying they should not respond. all of this, according to nbc news. all of this comes on the heels of early pushback last night from an unlikely figure donald trump's new fbi director, kash patel, who reportedly instructed his workers to, quote, pause any responses to the email, adding that the fbi will review the work of its own employees in accordance with the bureau's procedures. but musk is still getting some backup in this battle. hhs secretary robert f kennedy jr has entered the fray, ordering his staffers to respond to musk's ultimatum. and president trump indicated his continued support for musk's threats in a truth social post this morning. my panel is back with me. so what do you make of this? hey, i mean, you've got out of just the dynamic of it. first of all, put aside the, you know, the stupidity of the order

from elon musk and how you're going to get tens of millions of employees who's going to review what they've done or not, but just the dynamic of elon musk going out, making this kind of weird request, and then getting this immediate pushback from a trump loyalist, kash patel, that has now sparked others. tulsi gabbard, pete hegseth in the department of defense and others in the intel community say, no, no, you don't have to respond to this nonsense. >> yeah, i think that it really illustrates the sort of split between national security, federal workers and everyone else because you have kash patel in the fbi and national security, law enforcement, the defense department. you've got the ic, you've got certain parts of the state department and other parts of doj telling their staffers not to respond to this email, in part because some of these people work on very highly classified things where they cannot talk or cannot put into, like an unclassified email to opm. here's what i did for the week. >> i hacked into the chinese central bank on behalf of the intelligence community to find out where illegal shipments are

going. >> exactly what you do have. hhs, like you said, you have secretary kennedy, which is weird to say, telling his staffers to cooperate. so i think that the split we're seeing is between the parts of the trump administration that feel like they have the cachet, at least to say, no, no, no, we're not part of the we're buying our parts of government. we're de weaponizing them or whatever the right wing lingo is, but we'll do it ourselves. elon musk, where you do your thing, we'll do ours. and i think that trump is okay with that, because he has always loved to make the people under him fight for his love and his attention and make them to the death, essentially for power within his power structures. >> and kash patel has called elon musk, you know, in i believe in 2023. he called him a clown and a fake on truth social, accusing him of colluding with the government to censor elections. so no love lost between these two men who

now are competing for donald trump's adoration and affection. and this is to jay's point, what donald trump loves. >> the only thing is, is that only one of them is a billionaire and funded donald trump's campaign and essentially owns him for the bargain basement price of $270 million. so it's you know, donald trump. yes. he loves this because that's what mobsters do. they pin their people against them. and you know they have them pecked down until you have, you know, your person. but it looks to me i mean, elon musk is the only one giving press conferences from the oval office. he's the only one that's sitting down next to donald trump when he's giving interviews on fox news. so he looks like the favorite child right now, and he's the one that has all the money. so yes, kash patel in charge of the fbi, and tulsi gabbard, you know, they have their posts and so they can do what they would want with them. and i think that we're going to see this play out more and more, because in all

honesty, i don't think any of them like elon musk at all. but they needed elon. elon musk was a vehicle to get donald trump elected, to get project 2025 operationalized without his money and his influence. i don't think that it would have happened. so he was a necessary evil. but now that they're in the driver's seat, you know they want to put him in the trunk. >> to danielle's point. i mean, it's kind of interesting. where does this dynamic go? because again, they now have their fiefdoms. kash patel is the most powerful law enforcement agent in the country. tulsi gabbard sits on top of our national intelligence infrastructure and knows. and now they want to and need to prove their fealty to donald trump. and donald trump can say, look, elon musk, look what he does for me every single day. he's out there. he paid for this. he's with me. he's doing this. and now what are you doing for me? >> it's giving. medieval history right now is what i keep giving game of thrones esque medieval history. right now you have the

money man who has been funding all the things you have the chief of spies. you have the one who's running the guards in this, and they're all competing for power for the person whose authority they use to get that power. you're right that elon musk is the only one with his own separate power source operating right now, which makes him dangerous, but he is also the most chaotic. like this order is was poorly thought out. it was a xerox of what he did with twitter back when he was there, as was so many of the things claiming that you not responding is a resignation. absurd. so you have musk basically trying to do whatever he wants versus the people who are like, no, we're going to do this in a more orderly fashion, but still basically both sides trying to please trump the most. and it's horrifying that in none of that, that it just said that laws are what were considered. >> you know, the interesting thing is it seems like voters are tiring of elon musk. we're seeing a little bit of that in this kind of like anecdotal evidence from the town halls

that have happened, where people stand up and question their congressman about like, why is elon musk doing this? why is he running this show? but interestingly, a recent washington post ipsos poll found that 49% of u.s. adults disapprove of musk's job in the government. and you've also got donald trump's approval rating already tanking a little bit. the lowest it is for a year for a president in this early of a term. what do you think that bodes for how these two men conduct themselves going forward? or does it simply not matter. >> for elon musk? i don't think it matters. right. because no one voted for him. he wasn't on a ballot. so therefore he's not running for anybody's reelection, right? so i don't think that he cares. and again, he has the money to be able to say to any of these republican congress people who may now start to get pressured from their constituents, who said, i voted for donald trump, but i did not vote for elon musk, right? i did not vote for my job to be cut or my snap benefits to go, or my medicaid to go. so they're recognizing that donald trump also is not running for

reelection either. so again, i don't know. and i say that with like, air quotes. >> yeah. >> but i you know, so i don't know how much it matters. but it does show you that in. where are we. 33 days or 34 days. like how quickly. right. the satisfaction has declined. and you're seeing it in all of these town halls. and there are some republican members that are not even showing up for their town halls. and these are in red, red trump districts, and they're afraid of their own people. >> all right. we got a lot more to discuss. we're going to squeeze in a quick break. up next, i want to talk about the major pushback trump's agenda is major pushback trump's agenda is faci ever feel like a spectator in your own life with chronic migraine? 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. in a survey, 91% of users wish they'd started sooner. so why wait? talk to your doctor. botox® effects may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as trouble swallowing,

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justice department's emergency request to have it go into effect. and then there was trump's attempt to terminate related federal grants and contracts, which a federal judge in maryland blocked on friday. also on friday, a federal judge in new york extended a ban on d.o.j. from accessing sensitive information at the treasury department. so much for ruling this country like a king. danielle and hayes are back with me. also joining the conversation, our good friend, msnbc legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. i should emphasize the criminal defense part, danny cevallos. it's great to have all of you. danny, thanks for joining us. great to have you with us. let's talk about yesterday, because donald trump basically goes out there and he says we are winning and dominating washington like never before. he is selling a narrative to his people. and i'm not trying to take away anything from the damage that he is doing to our country. but for the moment, and i emphasize that part for the moment, the courts are withstanding some of this pressure. they are pushing back. they are blocking some of the more draconian things that he wants to impose. how should we

read that? should we believe that the courts are working the way that they should be? or is it just temporary? >> it's temporary. >> and why is that? >> because to me, this is like putting a band-aid on a broken leg. right. like, they are going to the whole point of this chaotic barrage of executive orders is to overwhelm the judiciary, is to get it funneled up eventually to his supreme court. right. that's that's the goal here. and if things if the supreme court for whatever this 6 to 3 supreme court decides, you know what? birthright citizenship. we're done with that. you know, just like we were done with affirmative action. just like we're done with abortion. you know, if they decide to side with him, then he wins. if they if they don't, which would be a huge shock, then they'll just go back to the drawing board and come up with something else. i mean, they have a 936 page document that they can just continue going back to the drawing board, going back to the drawing board. so the courts are a temporary restraint. but the real guardrails were, you know, congress, which is completely

deflated their power. and the republicans don't care about the rule of law. so for right now, we are seeing a slowing of the train. but this train is still moving and it's still destroying everything in its path. >> give me your take as a lawyer here. when you look at these cases and the challenges, some of them, some of the orders to stop the attempts, you know, end birthright citizenship, as i mentioned, some of these other ones as well. where do you see them all ending up, and do you share danielle's sense of pessimism? if i can say that about. no, i meant that, like, i didn't want to put words in your mouth, but but essentially pessimism that ultimately, if this gets to the supreme court, the supreme court may side with trump on some of these very important issues. >> yeah. i think what i'm about to say, i was concerned it would be controversial. but danielle, i think might be with me on some of these points. over the weekend, i read all these headlines and the headlines were like, trump suffers legal blows. another one was trump hit with unexpected loss? heroes, one major die legal setback. and i

think the concern i have is that people watching those headlines, especially people who don't like trump, are going to think trump is getting his butt kicked. and then when these he wins, invariably he's going to win some of these cases. they're going to say, well, what happened to all the butt kicking? right. and here's why. these are not major setbacks. first reason we are at the stay stage. in other words, in almost all of these cases, the court is issuing a stay. that is a pause. by definition, it is not on the merits. nobody's winning or losing on the merits. they're hitting the pause button until they can decide the case on the merits. and by the way, just like danielle said, all of this is exhibition games or friendlies. as they say in soccer, they don't count. they don't count until they get to the last court they get to, which in most cases, because they have unique constitutional issues, is going to be the supreme court. so these are not blows to the trump administration. i don't see them that way. the other thing, and again, danielle brought this up.

the trump administration totally expects they're going to lose in court a lot. do you know what it costs to do an executive order a piece of paper and a sharpie? that's it. and they can go right back to the drawing board. one of these courts said, hey, the language was too vague. you know what that tells them? just go draft another one. it's not like legislation where you need a bunch of people to agree on something. it is a pen and a piece of paper and that's it. and here's the other thing. you could look at this as the headline say trump losing here and there in court. here's the way i see it. i'll give you an example. the ninth circuit on the die or excuse me, the birthright citizenship issue. yes. the ninth circuit just a couple of days ago said, no, you don't get a stay. you can't ask us on an emergency basis to overcome the stay at the lower court level. but they were never going to win that. the odds of winning that emergency motion were very slim. the more important message i take away is that the trump administration wasn't even willing to wait for the what, i don't know, a few weeks or months of a stay on

this major piece of administration policy. they don't want to wait. they're going to fight at every single turn. and that means appealing absolutely everything with the knowledge that they're going to lose some of them because it costs them nothing. executive orders are the easiest thing to issue. so as much as i came here and i thought, well, these headlines really don't tell the whole story. i wonder, danielle, you might be with me on this to some degree because you made a lot of the points that i had to make. i do not see this as trump losing over and over and over again. i think the more important, bigger story is that they're not going to stop and they're going to keep fighting at every turn, and they are going to win some of these probably not birthright citizenship, but some of the others die. they probably can end most of it. >> i'll get to you in a second. but just to pick up on that point. but doesn't the delay in this process doesn't the fact, i mean, you're thinking about two things happening simultaneously the courts making a decision, the politics of the situation, getting to the midterms and getting to the election.

>> that's what. >> they're here for. >> they are. >> much smarter than me. i am but a pawn. >> in the game. >> so let me. >> let me pose that question to hayes, because then if you're if you're if you're talking about it from the perspective of politics, you're really trying to run out the clock with these legal challenges. if you can keep delaying the issue of birthright citizenship, you get to the midterms, you get a democratic congress in place, the chance of amending the constitution simply doesn't happen. >> for sure. >> and birthright citizenship, i just got to say, is one of those that if it does make the supreme court, that one's going to be tricky for them to actually win on the merits on. but yeah, politically speaking, you want to rush these things as much as possible. you want to. >> if you're trump, you want to rush. >> you want to rush these things. and then, like danny was saying, you it takes from his experience as a defendant where he would just appeal everything, every motion possible, throw the book at them. because while it costs nothing to write an executive order and sign that it does cost money to defend these things in court. but it's the

unlimited funds, basically, of the department of justice. you can just throw as much as possible, and you have so many cases right now where you have have people who are filing suit, who are in the case they're being paused or thrown out because the person doesn't have standing or it's in the wrong venue, and that costs money for them to gear up and try again in a different venue, find new people to recruit to file suit again. so the politics of it is not going away. more people have the chance to tune in and figure out what's going on, to look deeper into the issue. the longer it stretches out. but you have a group of people who are just going to keep going, no matter how bad the politics are, because it's what they believe. and i think on birthright citizenship, they're going to keep running into walls for it. on dei. they're going to keep running into walls for it. >> okay. a legal question for you, then. out of all of the legal challenges, i know there are many. so maybe you're not fully aware of them, but some of the big ones that you've seen so far, which ones have the strongest chance of holding up in court where the people could

potentially see a win? where do you think on things like firing federal employees, ending birthright citizenship, the ability, for example, of doge to have access to private information of american citizens, that they are not authorized by congress to do so. >> let's take the dei one, for example. what the court did not say is that dei must continue forever. that's not what the court said. the court said instead that, well, we think the challenges are likely to win on the merits, so we'll issue a stay. but one of the problems was that it was too vague, the wording was too vague, and the contractors didn't couldn't understand how they could comply with the executive order. that's not really. not only is that not on the merits, it's got nothing to do with dei. it could have been any other issue. i'm really intrigued by birthright citizenship, and you and i may be on the same page as this. this is not. this has also been described as the administration is out of its mind. and by the way, back in 2017, when this issue came up, i thought the same thing. i thought, it doesn't wait, isn't this an immutable characteristic of living in america? birthright

citizenship. and i started reading some of the academia on it. and it's a minority, but there isn't. there is a branch of academia out there, a small branch that believes that birthright citizenship is not part of the constitution, that there is language in there that creates an exception. and therefore, if you expect that birthright citizenship will go to the supreme court and be roundly defeated, this executive order, that might happen, but it might not. so again, i wouldn't go into the cases like birthright citizenship thinking if you are against the trump administration's position on this, i wouldn't go into this thinking your side is going to win in a rout. yeah, that might happen, but it might not. >> i'm old enough to remember when everyone thought the presidents don't have absolute immunity, including killing their political opposition figures. but then the supreme court disagreed with the majority of people who we had on this network and others who said, hey, the president does not have absolute immunity. in fact, no, it seems like he does according to this supreme court. >> i do think, though, that with this volleying, going back and

forth inside of the courts, here's an opportunity with the democrats in congress to actually capitalize on this conversation and own the narrative around it. you are able to have people slowly, as they said, start to pay attention to what is going on. wait a minute. you're attacking birthright citizenship. wait a minute. what does it mean that if i am a plumber in a building that happens to be largely minority, does that mean that i can't, like, do my job here, that if i'm an electrician, does that mean that i can't rewire the building? because now that's considered dei. that's what the judge brought up, right? just like basic contracting things. so this is a conversation. this is all it's a political war. it's a judicial war, but it is also a media narrative war that they have been winning on for the last ten years. so if democrats are smart, you use this time to be able to pinpoint where people need to pay attention and give them time to rally and push back. >> all right. danny cevallos, my friend, great to have you on the show. thanks for coming in.

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dictator, vladimir putin. my panel is back with me. hey, how crazy is it? you know, to hear donald trump call volodymyr zelensky a dictator, not call the russian president a dictator, even getting called out by the new york post who blasted on the front page. this is a dictator with vladimir putin. >> it's one of the most bizarre things about the trump epoch in general, is his obsession with ukraine and the fact that it all goes back to the 2016 election. it all goes back to when he had people around him who were saying, oh yeah, the server. the server, the cloudfare server is actually hidden in ukraine. this garbage conspiracy theory that ukraine was the one who really was doing the hacking in 2016, and trump just took the fall because people were blaming russia. and that is stuck with trump ever since. that is why trump was impeached the first time pressuring zelensky to turn

over this nonexistent server. pressuring zelensky to turn over nonexistent dirt on joe biden. this focus on ukraine is all for trump. it's not about geopolitics. it's not about who can be the stalwart for democracy, who is the one that's going to protect europe from russian aggression, who is on the border with russia and going to be the first to hold down the fort, literally, for europe against russian aggression. it's about i felt bad years ago, and i'm going to take it out on this whole country. and that is wild. >> it's also, you know, interesting to see donald trump not use that kind of language against countries that are powerful. he uses he, he can he can call volodymyr zelensky regardless of whether he believes it or not. he can call vladimir zelensky a dictator. he would never call president putin a dictator or president xi of china a dictator, knowing very well that those two would probably have much harsher response to donald trump using

that language against them. >> but that's what bullies do. you go after who you deem to be weaker than you, and in terms of size and money and power, ukraine is that to the united states. and of course, we know that donald trump, as hillary clinton said, way back, way back when, when america decided not to listen to her, was that he is vladimir putin's puppet, right? he's putin's puppet, like vladimir putin says jump. donald trump says how high? right. he's probably the one that said, you know what? we could you know what? you could get out of ukraine. it's not just about me, donald trump. you know what? you could get minerals. we know how much you're after that because of your obsession with the ai race. and we know what you need. and that's why you want to go after greenland. and these are the places is for the minerals. so put him on deck. put him on blast about that. so, like, donald trump is petty, right? and small. and this is what he does and he'll continue to do it. but i think that zelenskyy is just a bigger and better man. right. which is why he said, look, if you give my country

right, the ability to join nato, if you give us like this power, i will step down. i do not want to stand in the way between what my country could achieve and my own ego of quote unquote, winning the war. but you see the difference between the between the style of leadership and man versus what donald trump has offered to do in with ukraine, but also with the united states. >> he i mean, he has no problem to flex on mexico or panama or say, i'll take gaza, i'll take greenland. but again, when it comes to countries, the real power centers in this world, the countries that are at the very least adversaries to the united states, if not outright enemies, he will not dare stand up and speak to them or try to flex on them. >> no. absolutely not. it's a we're in a place of great power politics in the world right now where it's a contradiction almost, because you have trump talking about how he wants america to be the greatest. he wants america to be in a golden

age. he wants there to be no competition, that america is the top country in the world. and yet when you look at the way he responds to the other actual great powers in the world, he is lining up with russia and china in on democracy issues and ignoring the uk and france. he has basically written off europe as a great power center, and he wants to become friends with the other autocrats in the world. like, i'm not saying that he's going to go for a full on spheres of influence sort of situation with russia and china, but i think that if donald trump were offered that he could he would say, i see the benefit of that. we are spending too much money in asia. we're spending too much money in europe. let's focus on latin america and focus on our hemisphere. he would be very much pro a 19th century foreign policy. that is where he's been sitting between the mercantilism, the unilateralism for the united states and isolationism, the disdain for

any other country, and wanting a balance of power as opposed to the dominant united states that we saw throughout the 20th and first part of the very least of the 21st century. >> there was. >> a part of the republican party that one time viewed russia as an enemy, an adversary to the united states. but they are probably more afraid of donald trump than they are of russia right now, because they are awfully quiet and not willing to stand up to donald trump. i mean, again, sometimes it's not just about the end result. i think everybody can say, hey, we want the war in ukraine to end. but when you have the united states cutting out ukrainians and europeans and having a meeting in saudi arabia with the russians one on one, to jay's point, this is more about great power politics. so. >> i mean, i think that it's a real aligning of the of the axis of power. right. and you and we have seen the germans come out and say, like we never imagined in our lives, that we would never be able to count on the united states as an ally. and the fact that you have germany. >> shocking statement. >> a shocking statement, and one

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