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dan bongino to be the second in command at the fbi. what we know about the man who has called for mass firings at the bureau. that he'll help lead inside the trial. jury selection underway in the case of the man charged with the shocking, fatal stabbing of a six year old palestinian american boy in illinois back in 2023. what we're learning from court. also israeli escalation. israel sends tanks into the west bank for the first time in more than 20 years. how palestinian authorities are responding. our nbc news reporters are following the latest developments. we begin at the white house, where president trump is meeting with french president macron at a moment of tremendous uncertainty over the transatlantic alliance. nbc's vaughn hillyard joins us now. i know we're expecting that press conference. we've been teasing it for a while. what do we know about their conversations so far and the stakes here? >> right. >> this press conference, chris, is coming just moments after what ended up being nearly a

half hour of questions being answered by president trump and president macron just down the hall in the white house for president trump. this came hours after a g7 phone call that macron was also a part of, in which it's clear that the eu has a full understanding and recognition of the important role that president trump is playing in these negotiations. and that is where you. just a few moments ago, heard president trump suggest again, though without much evidence, that this war was about to come to a close and that the rare earth minerals deal that he says he is administration has been negotiating with ukraine, despite president zelensky publicly pushing back at the suggestion that they would guarantee the united states hundreds of billions of dollars of their rare earth minerals from president trump here moments ago, suggesting that the war is near an end. take a listen. >> i think. >> the war could end soon.

>> how soon? >> within weeks. >> weeks? >> yeah, i think so. right? don't you think so? i'd like to ask, have you? i think we could end it within weeks. if we're smart. if we're not smart, it will keep going. and we'll keep losing young, beautiful people that shouldn't be dying. and we don't want that. and remember what i said? this could escalate into a third world war. and we don't want that either. >> a few other notables. president trump was directly asked by a reporter if he would consider vladimir putin to be a dictator, like he called president zelensky last week, and he would not go as far as to call vladimir putin a dictator. when he was also asked whether ukraine would be in a situation in which they would be able to take back all of the land that russia had amassed over the last three years. president trump said he had a hard time saying that as being a reasonable

possibility. now, one other notable moment, at the very end of those 30 minutes of back and forth was when president trump, for the second or third time during those 30 minutes, suggested with the cameras running, that the us had provided ukraine $350 billion worth of aid, and compared to the eu, just about $100 billion, and that the eu provided their aid in the form of loans. now, there was the second or third time that president trump suggested that president macron put his hand on the arm of president trump in, interjected and said that he wanted to clarify that it was not a loan that the eu has provided to ukraine and that, in his words, they have provided 60% of ukraine's war effort. finances. now, the us government's over interagency oversight group that has been running the accounting of the us's aid current number is about $183 billion that the

us has contributed to the us or to the ukraine military and humanitarian assistance front over the last three years. it's not clear where president trump is getting that $350 billion from yet. he has been saying it publicly for weeks. and chris i think it was a notable because i believe that is the first time we have seen another head of state publicly interject and push back against a claim being made by the president of the united states at a very important time in these negotiations. >> yeah, about half of what the president said. vaughn hillyard, important fact check. thank you for that. now, let's go to the latest chapter in the head spinning transformation of the fbi with conservative podcaster and former fox news host dan bongino named as deputy fbi director. that's kash patel's right hand man. nbc justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian joins me now. tell us a little more about dan bongino and how his appointment is being received. >> head spinning is a good word for it, chris. look, the most

important thing that people need to know about dan bongino is that this is a job that, for 117 years, has been held by a career fbi agent. it's a nonpolitical job. dan bongino has never worked at the fbi. he was a former secret service agent, a former nypd officer before that ran unsuccessfully as a republican candidate for a couple of offices and then became a very successful right wing podcaster. and part of what he's been saying on these podcasts for many, many years is he's been criticizing the fbi. at one point, he called it irredeemably corrupt, and he's been spinning wild, unfounded theories about the fbi, including most recently, he said that the fbi was lying when they said they were seeking information about the suspect that planted the bombs outside the rnc and dnc before january 6th. he claims that the fbi knows who did it, but isn't telling people. this is absolutely bizarre, that a guy like this is now going to be the deputy director, which some fbi people think is a more important job than the director, because the deputy actually runs the

place, supervises the special agents in charge of the field offices, traffics in some of the most sensitive intelligence in the government. and so you're going to have two very experienced, very partizan people at the top of the fbi. chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you. well happening now. day one in the trial of a man accused of an unimaginable crime. a six year old palestinian american boy stabbed to death at his home outside chicago. exactly one week after the october 7th attacks by hamas. nbc's maggie vespa joins me now. prosecutors, maggie, argue that the alleged killer, the boy's landlord, became obsessed with those attacks and said something about it to investigators. explain this all to us. yeah, chris, this could be key. >> joseph shuba, the defendants team of attorneys, tried to get this suppressed. >> but late last week, the judge ruled that. >> his statement. >> to a will county. deputy shortly after. >> the attack. >> that he was. >> quote. >> afraid for. his life and thought the boy's. mother would do jihad. >> on him is admissible. and

that, of. >> course, could be. >> key evidence, especially on the hate crime charges. court documents show the. then, back in. >> 2023. >> 71 year old landlord. >> basically said that in the back of. >> a police car shortly. >> after the attack. >> and the attack. >> they show. basically started when he confronted. >> the boy's. >> mother, his tenant, about. the war in gaza. and at some point, documents say during that conversation, she said, we should pray for peace. and that is when investigators say shuba. >> who his wife. >> said had been listening to a lot of conservative talk. >> radio and. >> had become obsessed with. >> the war. >> became enraged, attacking the boy's mother with a. military style knife. investigators say she barricaded herself inside the bathroom, and that's when he turned, going after the boy you're seeing here, six year old hadiya al-fayyumi, stabbing him. investigators say 26 times with that military style knife. shuba is facing first degree murder and hate crime charges. he has pleaded not guilty. chris, as you know, we covered this at the time. this rocked the

palestinian-american community in this area, which is huge in the chicago area. and today, the judge roughly a year and a half later, i want to read this quote from our producer in the courtroom, the judge saying to potential jurors, i'll ask you if you have heard of the case, but also if you can put what you've heard aside and make a decision based on what you hear in this courtroom. also, a little bit of interesting color from inside that courtroom. the judge at the beginning giving shuba the chance to say hello to potential jurors before selection started, at which point our producer says he stood up, turned to them and simply said, good morning again. jury selection is underway, his team declining to comment as things proceed forward. chris. >> maggie. vespa. thank you. now to the middle east, where israel sent tanks into the west bank for the first time in decades. nbc's kelly cobiella is following this for us from london. kelly palestinian authorities are calling the move a dangerous escalation. what more do we know about why israel sent these tanks in? >> yeah, chris, first time this

has happened since 2002. israel intensifying its crackdown there in the west bank, saying it is determined to stamp out militancy. the israeli defense minister, israel katz, said that he and the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, ordered the military to increase the intensity of their activity in the territory to thwart terrorism. the defense minister also saying he told the military to prepare for an extended stay in parts of the west bank, where about 40,000 palestinians have been forced to flee. not clear how long those palestinian families will be kept out, but katz said the troops would stay for the coming year. netanyahu adding to that, saying they would stay for as long as needed. and that move comes after that bus attack last week with three busses were bombed. no one injured in that attack. but netanyahu has been under pressure from far right members of his coalition to crack down on militants in the west bank. the palestinian foreign ministry has responded to all of this. in

a post on x, it called the act an illegal aggression and flagrant attempt to entrench genocide and forced displacement against palestinians, also urging the international community to get involved. chris, this move puts yet more pressure on an already very fragile ceasefire that is about to expire in less than a week. chris. >> maggie, thank you so much for that. in 90s, president zelensky's offer to give up power, all in the name of peace. could this be the key to the survival? to the survival in survival? to the survival in ukraine? still have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis... ...or crohn's disease symptoms after taking... ...a medication like humira or remicade? put them in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when symptoms tried to take control, i got rapid relief with rinvoq. check. when flares tried to slow me down,... ...i got lasting remission with rinvoq. check. and many were in remission... ...even at nearly 2 years.

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children of a real childhood. she says as she lights a candle on his birthday cake decorated with the number three. every time i think about it, i want to cry. i want to bring in unicef spokesperson toby fricker. toby, i mean, you can see this little boy at his party with spaceship balloon. a big celebratory three. a shirt that says the future belongs to us. what does the future look like for kids like him? >> yeah, i. >> mean, the. >> the past three. years for kids. >> like him have been devastating. you know, as you were just saying, every three year old, all they've known is war. you know, every 11 year old, in fact, across the east of ukraine, all they've known is war. and it's had a devastating impact. what we've seen is particularly on those early years of life, which are really the foundation for life, for development, for learning. when the brain develops the quickest, when you're exposed to war, it has a massive impact. i was just at a kindergarten today, this

morning in mykolaiv, and the kindergarten teacher was explaining how the kids came in. many of them, you know, couldn't express themselves at all. as you would expect at that age. and it has a massive impact, a holistic impact, which can play out over years, that sort of intergenerational consequences that we talk about, which is why that the response now is so critical. why the support for these the youngest children, but also adolescents. and across that sort of childhood journey is so important. >> so what kind of support do children in ukraine need most right now? >> well, i mean, number one, in terms of sort of the youngest children, what we saw, you know, today, again at the kindergarten was about how adults, how caregivers are engaging with children and being able to open them up again. and one of the positives, really, what we saw today again, was, was how she explained that, you know, some of these kids were really opened up over the last year or so. they were starting to come out of their shells again, despite the ongoing sort of horrors of the war. they were able to provide that sense of safety,

that nurturing care. but the reality is nowhere is safe. it hasn't been for three years. it's absolutely critical when you look at adolescents who are looking to their futures, what are what are the skills, what are the jobs that they're going to move into or want to move into? it's about providing that support so they can engage with their peers so they can be together with young people, talk about the issues they've had. we were at a youth center the other day and young people were talking about mental health issues, mental wellness, but also about, you know, how they're all trying to live every day and make the most of every day and play their role in the development of ukraine as well, looking forward. >> so, toby, i don't know if you can see it, but we're showing a picture. we're going to show a picture that was taken a few days ago where you are in odessa. you can see a massive crater from the fall of russian drone wreckage. and it was just steps away from a kids playground. how do you help kids talk about war? is it important for them to talk about and the impact that it's had on them? >> yeah. so i was just at the clinic, at the health clinic

close to the attacks the other day. and you see the damage to that infrastructure. but but the real damage is obviously on society, on the access to the health services that children need, on the access to schools not being going into basements, into shelters. but what is actually critical is we're working with a whole country, a whole corps of social workers as well, who can provide support to adults, to parents, to caregivers, who in turn can help to better deal with children who are going through such extreme stress. so in dnipro, in the city, we have a social worker training hub where they are engaging on how to then open up with children and discuss some of these issues. so i think the positive, if you can even put it that way, is that children do have hold on to that hope and they can recover with the right support. but it has to come now. >> unicef's toby fricker a remarkable work that your organization does there under the most trying of circumstances. thank you for what you do and thank you for coming on the program. we appreciate it.

>> thank you. >> ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is now offering a stunning concession as the look ahead is for potentially a peace deal. and that concession is himself. he says he's willing to resign in exchange for peace or critical nato membership for his country. earlier today, zelenskyy surrounded himself with western allies with one notable absence someone from washington. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel joins us from ukraine. and vaughn hillyard is back with us from the white house. richard, president zelenskyy said it clearly today. he said ukraine is alive. ukraine is fighting. he has become the defiant symbol against president putin. what would it mean for him to be out of this fight? >> well, i. >> think he. >> was making. >> a principled statement. >> i don't think he has intentions of resigning. it was more. >> a response. >> to president trump. >> calling him a dictator with

or. >> without elections. >> he was saying yesterday. >> and he gave a long press conference. >> he sat. >> in that chair for that. >> you're showing right now for two hours. >> straight, fielding. >> questions and. >> in. >> response to a question about whether he would resign, he said, yes, if it's for peace, i'll do it. i'll trade this for nato membership. and he knows that nato membership is the most difficult. ask that it is something that president trump is opposed to. so he says, yes for that most thing that i want, i would trade this this job. so it's him showing that he is a person who would put his country's security above his own position. in contrast to the insult by president trump. >> he also, richard, a president trump. and i'm going to get to vaughn in just a second, suggested in the back and forth that was in the oval office with president macron, that a deal was close and that once it happened, once security is going to not be a very big problem. we

won't need much backing. are you hearing any realistic indication that a deal could happen later this week and get signed, or next week? >> it is possible. the ukrainians initially proposed this deal. this was something that president zelenskyy had in his victory plan. and i remember speaking to president zelenskyy about this several months ago. he talked about how he wanted to bring this victory plan to washington after the new administration came in, whether it was biden or trump, and that it had incentives in it. this this idea of incentivizing the united states, getting involved in a long term economic partnership with the united states, particularly regarding minerals, was something that ukraine wanted to do. they just they just couldn't accept this deal, they said, because it was far too expensive. it was given in a no negotiation basis. they said, take it or leave it, you

have one hour to sign it. and the bill was for a half $1 trillion, which zelenskyy said he couldn't sign, something that would take ten generations of ukrainians to pay off. but he said he wants to sign a deal and he wants to come and sign it in front of president trump. >> richard engel, thank you so much. so, vaughn, let's talk about the second part of this. the white house says ukraine joining nato is definitely off the table. that hasn't changed, right? >> no, there's no indication. and president trump has laid blame for the start of the war and russia's invasion of ukraine at the feet of ukraine because of their interest. that was a long standing interest and a desire to join nato. but it was president trump that just a few moments ago suggested that president zelensky could come to washington as soon as this week or next week to sign that deal. now, he has said repeatedly over the course of the last 24 hours that this would effectively be payback for the u.s. investment.

we talked about the number that he continually puts out. there is $350 billion that the us has contributed toward aid to ukraine, when the numbers from the us government reporting is closer to $180 billion, about half of that $350 billion. the president trump's keep asserting and is part of that rare earth minerals deal. president trump is seeking $500 billion worth of minerals. this is for the trump administration. i think that an acknowledgment having president macron by his side at the white house here over the course of these last hours, is that, by and large, the european union is operating during these negotiations at the will of the american president. and we saw a reporter just a few moments ago ask president macron directly whether he supported the us financially, benefiting from a rare earth minerals deal. and he completely sidestepped the question as president trump sat right next to him here. and this

is for president trump, a situation where he and jd vance and other allies have openly suggested that the us has very little interest to be involved in the ukraine war defenses going forward. so from their posture, it's ukraine that is the one that has to come to the negotiating table. and it's why you saw last week kim called president zelensky a dictator. and when just questioned in the last hour whether he would refer to president putin in the same way, he declined to answer. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you. and still to come, the man donald trump has chosen to lead the military has less experience than anyone in that position in 75 years. we'll go to the pentagon for reaction. plus stumbles and corrections from lawyers defending dodge cuts in court. what does that mean for their cases? you're watching their cases? you're watching chris jansing reports only on ♪ unnecessary action hero ♪ missing punches. unnecessary. check reversals. unnecessary. time sheet corrections.

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leadership, and specifically designated programs. but they're also saying at usaid that they're going to be funding people coming home, which does mean that there are people globally that are going to be put on this leave, and then they're going to be recalled back home. i was talking to a source today who has someone serving for usaid in mozambique. they're very worried and bracing for what comes next. the idea, though, is that elon musk has all but released, succeeded in essentially shutting down this agency because, as we remember, that federal judge ruled against employees of usaid that were trying to keep that agency functioning and were trying to block these terminations and these leaves. so for now, what we understand is that it's we're really going to start seeing the slow ending of usaid. it might not be in the next few weeks, but that is essentially the goal of elon musk and president trump here. chris. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you for that. meantime, in an unprecedented move, president trump has announced that he's appointing lieutenant general dan kaine to serve as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. that is the country's highest ranking officer. and despite the

fact that he has the lowest rank and the least experience of any joint chiefs chairman in more than three quarters of a century. let's bring in nbc news correspondent courtney qb, who was at the pentagon for us. so dan kaine is neither a four star general nor an admiral. and since 1949, those are the ranks of previous joint chiefs chairman. so how did he rise to this key role? and what does this change in leadership potentially represent? yeah. and chris. >> keep in mind, it's not just that who has previously served as the chairman of the joint chiefs, but it's actually what the policy, the law states someone has to have as far as experience goes, before they can be chairman of the joint chiefs. and that is you either have to have served as the vice chairman, be a combatant commander, or be one of the service chiefs. and as you mentioned, lieutenant general dan kaine has not been any of those. now, the law also says that the president has the authority to provide a waiver for someone if it's in the nation's interest to do so. that's what we assume is going to happen here. but here's

another administrative wrinkle for general kaine. and that is he retired december 31st. so now he's going to have to come back on to active duty again. it's possible. it's very possible to do. but there are a number of hurdles that the pentagon is going to have to jump over in order to get him confirmed to this job. now, general kaine and president trump, we have heard the president speak about their relationship. he speaks very highly of him and specifically his role when he was one of the deputy commander in iraq, in the special ops community fighting isis. president trump has spoken publicly about conversations that they had when he was in that role and saying how much he really enjoyed talking to him and how much he loves general kaine. for that reason, his name has been on our radar for several months, but the reality is he is not really a household name, even when it comes to those in the us military. now he will replace general charles q brown, cq brown, who was the chairman for about 16 months. he was the second african american service member general to serve

in that that role. he was relieved of the role on friday night. one thing i feel like i need to keep pointing out here about general brown. it's not a surprise that president trump or secretary of defense pete hegseth, they have spoken very openly about about removing general brown from this job, from being the chairman. in fact, secretary hegseth, before he became the secretary, even wrote about the need to remove him from that job and others specifically talking about his his support for diversity initiatives in his previous role. but, chris, that previous role as the air force chief of staff, that was a job that he was appointed to and selected for by president donald trump in his first term. so that's one thing that is very unusual and is something that has caught a lot of people here by surprise. >> chris courtney kuby, thank you. the lawsuits continue to pile up against elon musk's chainsaw approach to cutting the size of the federal government, and some government lawyers are having a hard time in court. as

the wall street journal notes, during fast moving proceedings, d.o.j. lawyers at times have struggled on questions of law and fact about what trump and his lieutenants are actually doing. drawing frustration and rebukes from judges across the country in some cases, lawyers later submitted corrections to what they have told the courts. joining me now, barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst. so in court, barbara, these lawyers apparently are unable to answer some basic questions or they're providing just wrong answers. the judges have a lot of patience for that kind of thing. >> no. >> not at all. chris, i have. >> a lot of sympathy. >> for these lawyers. lawyers, on behalf of the government, represent. >> the interests of the. >> united states, regardless of who is president. and they work with agencies to find facts. now, as officers of the court, they have an obligation to provide accurate, truthful responses to judges. >> and so they do.

>> their best to prepare. but when a judge asks a question if they don't know the answer, they're supposed to go back and find it. but what it sounds like from this reporting is it's difficult finding the answer to these questions, because there is a lack of transparency, and because the narrative keeps shifting about how many employees are affected or who is making these decisions. so i feel for these lawyers who are supposed to be in there representing the united states to the best of their ability, and they're being forced to do it with one arm tied behind their back. >> i mean, it does sound like there is a deluge of lawsuits. i mean, i just i want could this be in part at least just not able to keep up? >> yes. and so at a time when we are seeing this diminishing of federal employees, the deferred resignation program, the rescinding of offers of new department of justice lawyers and even the potential to fire department lawyers who are still in their probationary period. what they really need is more lawyers, because of all of the

unprecedented actions that donald trump is taking with his executive orders, people are filing lawsuits. and who defends those lawsuits? lawyers from the department of justice. and so it's very difficult for them, especially when they're seeing a depletion in their ranks. you know, chris, when i was in law school, i interned for the department of justice. and what caught my eye and intrigued me to do this work was a brochure that said our nation's litigators, and it talked about the important role of lawyers for the department of justice in acting without fear or favor in upholding the rule of law. the justice department here is facing a very difficult challenge when they've got people who will not tell the public the truth about what's really going on and won't even tell their lawyers. >> yeah, you never want to go into court unprepared. i think that statement speaks for itself. having said that, if you do go in and you can't answer a question, or you make an outright mistake, that you have to go back, and we have seen this happen, they go back and they correct it. could that impact a judge's ruling if the

case is a close call? >> well, it certainly could. you know, judges are human beings, and human beings get frustrated. and so if they find now, my guess is they're answering questions to the best of their ability but simply lack the answers. but if they don't know the answer to the questions the judges find important, and if they're unable to get answers to those questions that the judges need to make their decisions, i think we can expect them to draw what's known as an adverse inference. that is, i've asked you if x is true. i've asked you how many or how long or other questions, and you have failed to provide an answer to me. i can only conclude that the answer must be disadvantageous for your side, and i'm going to make an inference favorable to your party opponent. when the justice department is representing the interests of the united states, the people of our country, that is not a good development. and so i think lawyers do their best work when they have access to all of the information. and it would certainly behoove all of these agencies and agency heads to be sure they're sharing it with

their lawyers. >> yeah. barbara mcquade, as always. thank you. and coming up, the ohio entrepreneur who wants to be the buckeye state's next governor. but could sweeping cuts in the federal budget overshadow his campaign? you're watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. >> sadly. windshield chips. >> can turn into. >> windshield cracks. >> but at least. >> you can. >> go to safelite. com and. schedule a fix in minutes. sweet safelite can come to you for free. and our highly trained techs can replace your windshield right at your home. >> they flight safe. flight. >> don't wait. >> go to safe flight.com. >> and. >> schedule now. >> safe flight repair safelite replace. >> long john. >> silver $6. shrimp baskets will have you hooked. choose hand-battered pop up, perfect grilling and sizzling. or for a limited time, crispy coconut.

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tells nbc news his vision for the state includes reshaping public schools, cutting regulations and slashing spending very similar to the plan for trump's department of government efficiency. ramaswamy, you might remember, was originally set to help run doge alongside elon musk. and with the growing backlash over doge's mass layoffs and spending cuts, could that impact ramaswamy's race for governor? joining me now, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst susan del percio. hey, susan. so for people who don't know, the republican governor, mike dewine, could not seek a third term. the ohio attorney general, dave yost, is also running as a republican. what are you watching for in this race? >> i'm watching. >> to see. how much yost will actually kind of needle ramaswami. >> on issues like doge, especially. >> since when ramaswami was running. for president. he said he. >> wanted to cut nine. sorry, he

wanted to cut 75% of the federal workforce. well, ohio has over has nearly 125,000, buoyed by the federal government. so is his first thing out of the gate that he wants to get rid of 90,000 jobs for ohioans? i don't think so. so he's going to have to kind of watch which way he goes on that issue. but more importantly, i don't know if he can be quite the entertainer for that long. he tends to get himself in a bit of trouble and with so much lead time until the primary, i think ramaswamy is going to find himself in a hot and hot water more often than not. and you mentioned governor dewine. well, governor dewine ran without the support of donald trump there he was running against two other candidates. he got 48% of the vote without donald trump. so it can happen for a non candidate that's not supported by donald

trump. >> you know, there's already concern in ohio about how doj's federal cuts will impact folks in the state. in the last five days, we've seen reports from cincinnati, columbus, central ohio talking about what the cuts will mean for ohioans. and i wonder, do you think that there will be a connection between what doge is doing and ramaswamy, who has voiced such frankly frank support for it? >> absolutely. and especially when those congressional members start having town halls, although maybe they'll be afraid to have them now. i think that issue is going to come front and center, and it will continue to be there as the cuts happen. the other thing, though, to watch is the economy. if inflation doesn't go down, if we don't see those numbers change in march, ramaswami is going to have to stand by fallen policies of the president when it comes to the economy as well. and you bet know better than i, chris. ohioans do not suffer fools

gladly. >> yeah. and as you said, you know, the current governor is someone who was voted was voted in without the support of donald trump. i wonder, as you're watching this, if how ramaswamy does will give us some indication, some early indication in trump's second term about the spread of trumpism. if there are limits to support for trumpism. >> in 2022. chris, i really thought we saw the limits of trumpism. trump's candidates for senate lost widely and for senate and the house. so it shows that trump only works for trump. and if you want to be a mini trump, that's not necessarily a guarantee to winning office, especially in an off year. it's one thing to ride in on trump's coattails. it's another to try and hold that mantle in when he's not at the top of the ticket. >> susan del percio, always good to see you. thank you. and still to come on, chris jansing

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>> i'm delighted to welcome president macron back to the white house. we've been together quite often, but not that often in the white house. we honored the president and first lady of france. not so long ago. it was a beautiful evening and we will not soon forget it. that was a beautiful day and evening and many fond memories. i also want to thank emmanuel for hosting me in paris last december, after a historic election win. to witness the reopening of these spectacular notre dame cathedral, where you did an outstanding job in bringing it back together, that was a sad day watching that burn, and five years later you had it up and it was a, they say, more beautiful than it was before. so i think that's a great achievement. that was not easy. france is america's oldest ally. our cherished partnership has been a

force for freedom, prosperity and peace from the very beginning. we're now working on some very interesting developments. one in particular, as you know, the war between russia and ukraine in the american revolution. french support helped us to seize our destiny as an independent nation in the first and second world wars. our citizens shed blood together on the battlefields of europe. and i'll never forget joining president macron six years ago in the 75th anniversary of d-day. that was some day. the purpose of our meeting today is to end another battle, a really horrible one, a war, something that we haven't seen since the second world war that is ravaging european soil. the deadliest and most destructive conflict that one can imagine. i've seen the pictures, i've seen the satellite photos and lots of other photos. and it's a horrible thing that's happening. thousands of people are dying a week. this very day is the third

anniversary of the invasion of ukraine, which would never have happened if i was president. that was not going to happen. the horrors of this gruesome and bloody war can scarcely be overestimated. hundreds of thousands of people, russians and ukrainians in particular, have needlessly died, and entire generation of ukrainians and russian men has been decimated. 1000 year old cities have been turned into rubble. those beautiful spires that you used to see their their most beautiful in the world, they say are lying in heaps of rubble, blasted to smithereens. and it's time to end this bloodletting and restore peace. and i think we're going to do it. we've had some great conversations, including with russia, since my return to the white house. we've made more progress toward that goal in one month than occurred in the past three years. and

i've spoken with both president putin and president zelensky. and again, a lot of a lot of good things toward peace are happening. moving it, i think, pretty quickly. last week, secretary of state marco rubio, national security adviser michael waltz and special envoy steve witkoff conducted successful talks in saudi arabia with the delegation from russia. and i'd like to thank the kingdom of saudi arabia and the king and mohammed are great people. they're really working hard to get this done. our focus is on achieving a ceasefire as soon as possible and ultimately a permanent peace. my meeting with president macron today was another important step forward in that. well, in that sphere, because he's been very much involved right from the beginning in trying to get it

over with, and we're going to get it done. i believe that emmanuel agrees with me on many of the most important issues. chief among them is this is the right time. it may be the only time. you know, that's a very interesting and horrible situation, and that could evolve into a third world war. we're not going to let that happen. should have never started, but it did. and what a mess. what a horrible, bloody mess. i'm also pleased that president macron agrees that the cost and burden of securing the peace must be borne by the nations of europe, not alone by reason. europe must take that central role in ensuring long term security of ukraine, which they want to do. and that's not a very big step. a big step is what's going to happen over the next few weeks. the united states has put up far more aid for ukraine than any other nation, hundreds of billions of dollars. we've spent

more than 300 billion, and europe has spent about 100, 100 billion. that's a big difference. and at some point we should equalize, but hopefully we won't have to worry about that. we have other things happening that maybe take that out of the realm of necessity. and while we've given vast amounts of military aid and money in form of grants, much of europe's contribution has been economic relief, structured as loans for which they'll be repaid. like the europeans, i believe that taxpayers and the united states also deserve to recoup the colossal amounts of money that we've sent the previous administration never even thought of that. they didn't think of a lot of things, like, why did they let it start in the first place? that is why we must have an agreement with ukraine on critical minerals and rare earths and various other things as security. and i think

that that's happening. i think we've made a lot of progress. i had a report just given to me before walking in, and that we've made emanuel a great deal of progress toward getting that. i've been elected by the american people to restore common sense to washington and indeed to the world. and i believe strongly that it's in the best interest of the united states, the best interest in europe, the best interest of ukraine, and indeed, the best interests of russia to stop the killing now and bring the world to peace. my administration is making a decisive break with the foreign policy failures of the past administration and frankly, the past. i ran against a very foolish foreign policy establishment, and their recklessness has led to the death of many, many people. under our administration, we're forging a new path that promotes peace around the world. and when i left office for the first administration, first term, we

had no wars. we had no problems. we didn't have october 7th with israel. we didn't have russia and ukraine going at it. we didn't have the problems in other parts of the middle east. we didn't have inflation. it was a whole different world. and you know what else? we didn't have millions of people pouring through our borders, many of them criminals released from other nations and put right into our land murderers and drug dealers, gangs. we didn't have any of that. it's a different time. but now we have it and we're fixing it. we'll fix it all up. we'll get it done as quickly as possible. and we've made a great deal of progress. people are saying it was the best month for a president in our country's history. i hope that's right. but i feel it's right. we've we've done a lot of things in a very short period of time, four weeks. as i've said before, it's my hope that my greatest legacy, however, will be as a peacemaker and a unifier. i want to bring peace, not war. i think president

macron, for joining us today in this urgent work we're doing, we have some wonderful people up front right here that have worked so hard. steve witkoff, thank you very much. and michael walsh, thank you, scott, thank you very much. and jd, thank you. they've really done a they really done a job. they worked very hard. it's like it's a real passion to get this war ended. and i'd like to now invite emmanuel to say a few words and then we'll take questions. and again, emmanuel, it's a great honor to have you with us at the white house. thank you very much. please. >> thank you. thank you, mr. president. thank you. donald. ministers. ladies and gentlemen, mesdames and messieurs. >> ladies and gentlemen, i'll be saying. >> a few words in french. thank you very much, mr. president. dear donald, for your hospitality and for this visit. as you mentioned, we have had the opportunity to meet over the past few years. since your first

term, we have been able to discuss matters in paris and also here at the white house. and it has always been a great joy to do that. and i would like to commend you and thank you, mr. president, for extending this friendship to france and taking part in the ceremony at notre dame that you mentioned before. it was a great honor for the french people to reopen the cathedral to the rest of the world. and your presence was a testament to that friendship. as the president said, this friendship dates back to the revolutionary war. since the beginning of the united states, and whenever we've needed to, we've been able to come together and be on the right side. we've been able to be united to defend peace and sovereignty, namely, in the two world wars that marked the 20th century, from

lafayette to pershing and to the many americans who landed on omaha beach. and we spoke earlier before, and you mentioned that one of those gentlemen was able to visit you here, one of the veterans. this is part of history which puts us in the world that we are in today. and as the president just said, there are many challenges in this world. and over the past few days. we have one main objective, which is the geopolitical situation. mr. president, i really wish to thank you for making changes to your schedule to meet with us so quickly. i think we've made very substantive steps forward during our discussions, and this is a major step in what we're experiencing today.