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republicans criticized and chastened by the folks back home this afternoon, will broach the subject of elon musk's job cuts with the president himself. but will it matter in the end? plus, a new era of insecurity as u.s. policy pivots. the uk makes a major announcement, earmarking billions to bolster its own defenses. what it means for the prime minister's trip to washington later this week. and 21,000 times. that's how often the new deputy director, dan bongino, talked about the deep state or the fbi on his podcast, calling it corrupt and labeling the agency itself a clear and present danger. he now says people play different roles in their lives. what will his be at the fbi? but we start with the standoff between elon musk and congressional republicans, who are for the first time showing signs they may be willing to stand up to him. today, the entire house republican sophomore class is meeting with

president trump later this afternoon. they're going to talk about their concerns about the mass firings and what they see as a lack of compassion. that's the same message many of them have been getting from voters back home, venting states like a and oklahoma. who had been laidf tried to amp up the pressure by demonstrating on capitol hill. >> i think it's really. >> cruel to. >> fire people for. >> poor. >> performance when. >> they've only had great feedback. >> i have cried every day. >> i'm i think that that's normal. >> we're just witnessing. >> like. >> an entire industry. >> is. >> going down. >> and what. >> are the senators going to do. >> about it? >> we should note the number of republicans willing to speak out against musk is still relatively small, and even those willing to take a stand aren't necessarily pushing back against the cuts themselves, just the way they're being handled. >> i'm all for trimming the

government. >> i'm all. >> for it in a deliberate manner that. >> allows people to adjust. >> in their lifestyles. >> i think they. >> need to be more targeted and they need to be more thoughtful. i think so. things are happening a little bit too fast and furiously, i think, and that's why we've had some of these unintended consequences. >> just a little bit of humanity. >> and dignity. >> to the process, i. >> think. is what. >> many of the alaskan federal. >> employees are asking for. >> and i. >> don't think that that's. >> asking for too much. >> i want to bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard, who's covering the white house. nbc's melanie zanona is on the hill for us. alicia jordan is a time magazine contributor and former white house aide under george w bush. she is also an msnbc political analyst. welcome to all of you. melanie, how would you characterize the level of resistance among republicans and even among those speaking out? are they doing something? what are they actually doing? >> well, i. >> would say the level of republican resistance at this point is still fairly mild. now, we have seen a number of republicans speak out against the process itself, including a

lot of those republican lawmakers who were confronted by angry constituents. >> at town halls and. >> demonstrations at. >> home in their. >> districts last week. that includes richard mccormick. >> i caught. >> up with him yesterday. he represents a deep red district in georgia, and he said that he wants to reach out to elon musk directly to urge him to be more compassionate with carrying out with these cuts and layoffs. he says he understands that they have to do it, but he just wishes there would be a. >> little bit. >> more humanity in the process. >> and mccormick. >> also told me that he wants. >> to bend. >> trump's ear on this issue. >> as well, when he's going. >> to be there for a. >> previously scheduled. >> white house meeting. >> i also caught up with another republican, scott fitzgerald of wisconsin. he was confronted by his constituents. >> who. >> were demanding answers about just how many. >> layoffs there were going to be, what the impacts would be, and fitzgerald couldn't. >> answer. >> which is something that i've. >> heard. >> from a lot of republicans who are frustrated by the lack. >> of heads. >> up that they're getting from the white house about these doge moves. but fitzgerald said his mission today, returning to washington. >> is that he is going. >> to. >> be demanding.

>> more information from the trump administration about exactly what is happening with all of these doge moves. >> you know, vaughn, just to level set, the president hasn't shown any inclination to split from elon musk. it was during the hours of this program yesterday that he said musk's ill fated email idea that included threats of firing was genius. that was his word. so what are the chances republicans could actually convince trump if they were willing to talk to him about it, to tell musk to back off a little bit? >> it's not clear. and that's because even agency and department heads some of trump's closest, closest allies, like kash patel at the fbi, ordered employees that they didn't have to respond to that initial email. and that's when president trump, yesterday in the oval office, said that individuals that did it would be, quote, semi fired, which led elon musk just moments later to put out another social media post on x, saying that there would in fact be consequences if folks didn't reply to the second email. and that is where so many are

turning directly to president trump. and there's one other interesting person in all of this, and i think it's worth talking about siouxsie wiles, the chief of staff y. she just received earlier today a letter we are now learning from 21 employees of the us digital service. now, folks will recall that that unit inside the executive office of the president is what president trump and his executive order turned in to dodge. it went from the us digital service to the dodge unit, and 21 of the individuals who had been working inside of that very unit. in a letter to siouxsie wiles, the chief of staff for the president today announcing their resignations, i want to let you look at part of the letter in which they write, quote, we will not use our skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize american sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services. we will not lend our expertise to carry out or

legitimize doj's actions, the sudden loss of their technology expertise makes critical systems and americans data less safe. and so this is coming after probationary employees were let go from that unit, further consolidating the power structure and dynamic within dodge, around elon musk, in the specific individuals who he brought in from outside of the administration to join this effort. siouxsie wiles, much like during the campaign, we have heard very little from, she was not a public outward facing spokesperson for his 2024 presidential campaign. and so it's not clear exactly behind the scenes the extent to which she is wading into this. but so far, we have seen president trump not only during the transition, but now in the first half month and a half of this administration cede a great power to elon musk to go forward with the types of cuts that he sees fit. and in this situation, it's a matter of whether the secretaries and whether the agency heads will follow suit

with the demands of elon musk. >> elise, let me get your reaction to that, because they're making some pretty strong statements, including talking about things like jeopardizing data. >> i want to go back to something vaughn was. >> talking about with the. >> 21 employees. >> of the white house office that's now doge that quit. and to your point, chris, this is institutional knowledge. >> a white. >> house is a. >> very complicated environment, a very complicated security environment. there are procedures. >> that the national security. >> council. >> which i'm more familiar. >> with, because. >> that was where i. once worked. and i'm sure that the same is true. >> that these. >> bureaucrats have. institutional knowledge that. >> actually probably. >> would be very beneficial to doge as they go about their mission. and so just to, you. >> know. >> surrender those. >> employees and to let. >> that institutional knowledge go out the door is a. huge misstep. >> for elon.

>> musk and his mission. because if he wants to be effective, he has to know how to be a good bureaucratic infighter. and what we've seen so far. is that that seems to be a very lacking, lacking influence as far as what you see in terms of effectiveness. you see chaos. right now, and chaos politically is. >> not good. >> for donald trump. that was in 2020, talking to. >> focus groups of voters. >> who. had who. >> were they had voted for trump in. >> 2016. >> but they were leaning. >> towards biden. >> it was. >> the chaos. >> that pushed them. >> over. >> the edge. >> they just didn't want the chaos. voters might like some of what he's trying to do, but they don't want their essential services to be disrupted. they don't want to see their neighbors just fired and left, you know, not able to pay their mortgages. so i would say the combination of not heeding to and understanding. because you have to have a little bit of humility about the bureaucracy and just sacrificing that.

institutional knowledge only promises more chaos. >> yeah. i mean, we really are looking at two sort of distinct lines here, right? on one hand, you have what's in this bill. we will not use our skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize american sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services. that's one part of it. the other part of it is just how you treat people. if you make a decision that jobs have to go. and, you know, i was thinking about georgia republican congressman rich mccormick, who said he wants to bend the president's ear. he's been on the receiving end of some pretty aggressive criticism from his constituents. you wonder if either of those things will have an impact or if one takes precedence over the other. on one hand, everyday americans, can they still influence what's going on in washington, or will insiders be listened to who are

saying, elise, you're you're not doing what you said you're doing, which is making government better? >> is that question. >> for me? yeah. >> yeah. no. >> exactly. >> so i was just i mean, it's this is. >> so sweeping. >> and so sudden. and again, the chaos has just swept everyone, knocked everyone, you know, off their feet because. it's hard to know how any how to respond when there's such an onslaught of new initiatives coming every day. new dismantling. it's very easy to break things. it's a lot harder to clean. them up. so politically, you have an overwhelming desire among plenty of the electorate for cutting government, for ending waste, for eliminating government positions that aren't necessary. and i fully support that. we need. to digitize and get caught up, get the government up to speed in terms of today's technology, but you don't want to see the sudden chaos without any plan or any understanding of

what happens in the aftermath. >> and melanie, at the same time, you have a lot of republicans who are basically shrugging off the criticism. i want to play something that congressman mark alford from missouri said. >> the unfortunate. >> thing was. >> is that this was. organized protests, i think, from some outside agitator groups. we are not losing support. we are gaining support. my district is. firmly behind what president trump is doing. >> and what. >> doge is. doing to right this ship. >> and we've heard that from other republicans who have been in tough town halls as well, who said, you know, it's a lot of democrats and, yes, reporters who have been in the room say there are democrats, but there are also republicans who voted for the member of congress. i just wonder if what we just heard from congressman alford is something you're hearing a lot from republicans on the hill. >> yeah, that certainly has been. >> the message from the republican leadership. they are showing no signs of being spooked by some of these town halls and demonstration in republican districts. in fact, some of them were organized by

progressive groups and outside groups. and the republican leadership is. >> still very. >> confident that the public. >> is. on their. >> side when it comes to this mission of reducing federal spending and rooting. >> out government. >> waste. >> fraud and abuse. just take a listen to speaker mike johnson. >> i'm not going to tell the executive branch how to operate. i've got enough to handle over here in the legislative branch. but i will say that that i think the vast majority of the american people understand and applaud and appreciate the doge. >> effort. >> the goal to scale down the size and scope of government. >> so republicans putting. >> on a. >> united front here, even as some cracks are starting to merge behind the. scenes among republicans. but democrats. >> are confident. >> in the strategy. >> that. >> they are. >> coalescing around. they are seeking to. >> highlight some of these. >> critical government. services that are. >> being impacted. they're telling the stories of. >> federal workers, including. veterans who are out on their jobs. >> so this is going. >> to be the democratic strategy going forward, and they feel. confident that. they will have the stronger strategy here.

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political meeting between a pivotal meeting between prime minister keir starmer and president trump. the move comes after the president's statements about the ukraine war rattled allies, who fear the us is retreating from a decades long commitment to the defense of europe. joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent gabe gutierrez, international correspondent kelly cobiella and elise jordan is still with us. so, gabe, prime minister starmer will be the second european leader to visit the white house just this week. of course, it follows french president emmanuel macron's visit yesterday. talk about the agenda and what we're expecting to come out of this. >> hi there chris. well, the. >> first time prime minister. >> starmer met with trump, the. >> prime minister. >> had dinner with the then presidential candidate at trump tower in new york. well, this time the stakes will be much higher and on the agenda. >> according to a white house official, defense spending, which the prime minister just announced, he was increasing, as you mentioned. now, president trump has long railed against european countries and urged them to devote more of their gdp to defense spending. now, we understand that will be a big

topic of conversation at this meeting. also on the agenda, i'm told by a white house. official discussions about diego garcia. us military base on a remote island in the indian ocean. chris. >> well, kelly starmer is clearly trying to send a message to trump with this announcement. tell us more about that. >> yeah, as a matter of fact, he just wrapped up a press conference not too long ago, just a few minutes ago, when he called this decision and said the reason behind this decision was because of a dangerous new era and russia being the aggressor. the british prime minister said that uk defense spending will increase to 2.5% of gdp by 2027. that's roughly an extra $17 billion every year, funded by cutting foreign aid. he said the goal was to get to 3% by 2029, and he said he was doing it to counter russia, which he called a menace. now, this is lower than what president trump is pushing for.

but the prime minister clearly trying to lay the groundwork for a positive meeting with the president. here's a little bit of what he had to say. >> this week. when i meet president trump. i will. >> be clear. >> i want this relationship. >> to go. >> from strength to strength. >> starting today, i can announce this government will begin the. biggest sustained increase. >> in defense. spending since the end of the cold war era. >> and prime minister starmer reiterated the british government's commitment to nato, which he called the bedrock of our security. he criticized russian president vladimir putin, saying that tyrants only respond to strength. and he also said that the uk must stand by ukraine. we'll have to see how much of this he actually raises with president trump when he meets him at the white house. chris. >> yeah. elise, when you were in the white house, you know what these high stakes meetings are like. so i wonder what you'll be looking for coming out of there. and are we looking at a complete remaking of our allied

relationships as we've known them for decades? chris, i'm. >> going to be looking for if trump calms down his rhetoric at all vis a vis ukraine, and if he's going to walk back some of his more inflammatory statements, the suggestion that the us might perhaps get out of nato, comments like that. in the aftermath of his phone call last week with vladimir putin. and if you're a white house staffer, you want the message to come across from this meeting that donald trump is in control and that he's not putin's lackey. you have on the domestic front, donald trump up against elon musk for attention. and then when it comes to his foreign policy, he has to look like he's not simply appeasing vladimir putin. and so they have to project strength when they're coming out of this meeting. they should want to be strongly aligned with europe and further, our long standing postwar

partnership, the international free world order. so that's what i'm going to be looking with. and if the relationship with the brits, which historically are strongest allies, if that is going to be smoothed over by their return to the defense spending levels that they lowered back in around 2010? >> well, if we're looking for more moderate donald trump, we certainly didn't see it yesterday. elise. the wall street journal editorial board called it a sad day for the us at the un when a us drafted resolution called for a swift end to the war in ukraine, but did not blame russia for starting it. the us sided with russia, china, north korea, hungary, the uk and france, we should say, abstained. but what do you think this could mean for peace talks going forward and for russia's place on the world stage? >> hey. >> russia is celebrating. right now. i believe that last week on

social media, the fervor about how vladimir putin had gotten so many concessions from donald trump, the russian stock market even went up. so this is not being seen as the united states being strong and trump coming in and commandeering the situation is being seen as concessions to vladimir putin. that vote is atrocious. there's no reason that that should have happened, that we should side with autocrats over our historic allies. you look at the overwhelming number of countries that voted yes. it was russia's fault, not it's just not that complicated. and so while i would hope that donald trump is going to reassess and going to not, you know, calm down this notion that he's appeasing vladimir putin, it certainly looks like we're going in that direction. >> elise jordan, gabe gutierrez, kelly cobiella, thank you all. and coming up, the bombastic podcaster now helping to lead the fbi. what we're hearing from dan bongino about his appointment after years of spreading conspiracy theories

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lawrence, what happens now? >> yeah. so these big. >> questions now. >> go. >> back to state officials in oklahoma to decide whether. richard glossip goes back on trial again, and most importantly, whether. >> he will still. >> be eligible for the death penalty. so these are decisions that go. to the attorney general of oklahoma. the drummond. >> plus the local district. >> attorney, vicki bahena. who she has previously said she didn't think under today's standards that glossip. should be eligible for the death penalty. so those two officials. plus the family members of the victim, in this case, barry van treece, they're going to be in talks to decide how this case should go forward, whether there's going to be a retrial. and, of course, all of this in the context of richard glossip having been on death row since 1998. so more than 25 years he's been. >> on death row. >> several times. >> during that time. >> he's been at close proximity to being executed. >> he's had. >> his last meals several times.

so these are all probably factors that they might also take into account when deciding whether this case should go to another retrial and potentially another death penalty conviction. >> is he someone who has always proclaimed his innocence? >> that's right. >> he has claimed innocence, although in this case at the supreme court, that was not the issue that the court was deciding. the very interesting thing about this case was that the attorney general of oklahoma, who's a republican, actually had agreed with richard glossip that there were problems with his trial, focused on some testimony from one of the witnesses, the key witness in the case. but he has said he doesn't. he doesn't think that glossip is innocent. so, you know, so he's been on both sides of this. and the question is now how he thinks about it going forward, whether, you know, he still thinks there might be a death penalty case here. >> lawrence hurley. thank you. well, mixed signals and no backing down from dan bongino, the right wing podcaster picked

to serve as the new deputy director of the fbi. the former secret service agent has referred to the fbi as irredeemably corrupt. but while he suggested he's prepared to relinquish that maga warrior role, he also repeated a frequent and baseless charge that the doj has been weaponized. >> i get it if you were a. political opponent of mine that has been involved. with proudly celebrating a weaponized. justice system, how you don't understand how a guy like me who. >> discusses partizan. >> content in an opinion show can go and do a. unquestionably nonpartisan job. >> and nbc news review found that since 2017, bongino's podcast has mentioned the fbi or deep state more than 21,000 times. joining me now, nbc news justice and intel correspondent ken dilanian, along with christopher o'leary, former senior official at the fbi. ken, i know you've been reporting on

reaction inside the fbi over the choice of bongino, including those who have told you that in many ways, they think the deputy role is even more important than the director role. so talk about the kinds of concerns they're expressing to you. >> yeah, especially. >> when you have a director like kash. >> patel who has no. >> experience in the fbi. >> who is himself a partizan warrior with a history. >> of criticizing the fbi. agents were hoping that they would bring in a. career fbi agent, as has been true for the 117 year. >> history of the bureau. >> to be in the deputy role, the deputy actually runs operations, but. >> instead they brought in another. >> partizan maga warrior. >> and not only that, somebody who. >> has made baseless charges. i mean, just. >> a few months. >> ago, chris. >> dan bongino accused the fbi of covering up the fact that he said that they knew who the suspect was, who placed the pipe bombs outside the rnc and dnc the day before january 6th, after the fbi issued a public. >> call for. >> information saying they. >> had no suspects. >> dan bongino. >> said it's an. inside job.

it's a cover up. >> that's just extraordinary. >> there's no evidence for that. he's accusing the. fbi of being corrupt there, and now he's. >> going to be the deputy. >> director leading this organization. >> that's not a matter. >> of opinion. that was a. >> false charge. >> that he made without evidence. and that's gotten a lot of people very concerned. >> chris. >> chris, you spent a lot of time inside the building at the fbi. you know, a lot of folks who still work there. does it matter that the number one and number two don't have any fbi experience? >> well, it does, and the combination of the two is the really the most concerning part. so the deputy is supposed to have all this operational experience at every level of the fbi, across multiple types of threats, from counterterrorism and counterintelligence to violent crime. the director rises through the ranks and develops a network and leadership capability and understanding of the network and the interagency as they rise to the ranks. he has done none of that. it's great that he had, you know, a short career in the

nypd or working in crime on the street level. but then he did protection for the secret service for a few more years. he's never done any investigations, nothing in national security, nothing working with the interagency. and the more problematic thing, the lack of experience coupled with his lack of suitability is character flaws. i mean, there is no way that you're going to put 21,000 allegations back in the box against the fbi. so he's being rewarded with taking the helm at the fbi. is the deputy after undermining the trust and confidence in its employees and the organization, the institution as a whole, for the last few years. >> you know, there's one thing to talk about experience, but with that experience comes respect. maybe even if you don't like the guy himself. right. if it's somebody who's been inside who understands the workings of whether it's the fbi or any other complex agency, but my limited experience around the fbi, these are not easy jobs. these are not places where you

go, you clock in and you leave, particularly for the front facing people who are doing the investigations. the lawyers you and i were talking about in the break. how do you lead an agency? how do you run an agency without the respect of the people who are in it? and is it possible to win their respect, do you think, in this case? >> so i. >> don't. >> think it's possible. >> for him. >> to win the. respect of, of your average fbi agent. >> or intelligence professional. >> rob carson or brian driscoll. >> if they. >> would have been asked to. >> stay aboard as the deputy. >> director, they would have enjoyed that. they have an incredible reputation based on their work based on operations. while dan bongino was running a podcast out of his basement. rob carson was in east africa with me. brian driscoll was in syria with me hunting down isis. they built up a resume based on work and partnerships. their trusted teammates and people know that they were go to bat for them, looking out for their welfare.

they already demonstrated that nobody has any trust and confidence in dan bongino to. do that. he clearly lacks the integrity to do that. >> he's demonstrated. >> that. and he really doesn't believe in the fbi and its mission. my concern is they're looking. >> to dismantle it. >> so can you and your colleagues have been digging into dan bongino years long history of pushing conspiracy theories, criticism of the fbi. you know, to chris's point, that is a question a lot of people have. is dan bongino there to run an agency or to dismantle it? what do his words over the past many years tell us about that? >> well, chris, he is actually. >> suggested. >> particularly after the mar-a-lago raid. he said repeatedly that the fbi should be disbanded. irredeemably corrupt was the. >> phrase that. >> you cited. he said it's beyond repair, essentially. now, he's not saying that right now. and, you know, we'll have to see how it goes. but it's clearly you have two people now in charge of the fbi at the senior

most positions who have spent years denouncing the fbi and painting the specter of a deep state, a cabal within the fbi, without any evidence of that. and so. >> now they're confronted. >> now they're. >> going. >> to be inside. they're going to be running the place. >> dan bongino, the first time he's in public with reporters, he's. >> going to be asked, well, can you tell us the name of the pipe bomber? you said that the fbi was covering that up, right? so he's. >> either going to have to. >> come clean and explain to his followers that the conspiracy theories he was trafficking in. >> are false, or. >> he, you know, he's going to have to there's going to be a. >> total contradiction. >> so we'll have to see how it plays out. >> well, you know, there's another option there, chris, which is what we saw, for example, in the false theories that the 2020 election was stolen. we have evidence coming. we have tons of information. we have lots of evidence. they never actually showed it. right. but do you see that scenario happening? and how do you answer that? >> so on day one he's going to meet agents just like me. i was your average fbi agent. i'm a former marine, a combat veteran who spent his entire life

dedicated to this country. it's protection and the security of its citizens. politics never entered into it. as a matter of fact, like most fbi agents, i'm probably a little more right leaning. so he's going to meet people just like me and be confronted with the truth, which kash patel already knows. dan bongino is actually going to be confronted with it now. does he admit his mistakes? does he fall on his sword and communicate to his 8.5 million followers on his podcast that, oh, i had it all wrong. these are actually committed professionals dedicated to this country, which is what the fbi is. >> i don't want to be hyperbolic, but our political leanings that might influence the way someone behaves in a role like an fbi agent or somebody who's charged with the security of this country, the enemy of the security of this country. >> well, i would know, because politics never entered into it.

it's i joke about it, but it's true. it's like going into a good irish pub. no politics and no religion are discussed. it's just not considered appropriate for what you're doing. you conduct legal investigations based on the law. you conduct operations and arrests based on your mission, not based on any bias you may have. it's just factually inaccurate. and again, i'm not some liberal telling you this. i am like many other fbi agents, you know, committed, veteran, committed national security servant, and we're just committed to protecting this country and securing the constitution. >> christopher o'leary, ken dilanian, great reporting by you and your colleagues, by the way. thank you both very much. and still ahead, dramatic footage of firefighters running for their lives before an explosion blows the windows out of a building. what caused that blast? but first, an update on a story that we've been following for the past couple of weeks. nasa has officially given earth the all clear from a city killer

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at the same time he in the evening. the doctors say he underwent a ct scan to monitor that bilateral pneumonia that he was diagnosed with a few days ago. and the vatican ends that statement by saying that in the morning he received the eucharist. and then he resumed his work activities. so all in all, it looks like a fairly reassuring statement, even though the doctors, of course, are calling for caution, because this is still an 88 year old man with bilateral pneumonia, with a respiratory tract infection caused by two or more germs. and as such, this really is a day to day scenario. chris. >> claudio lavernia, thank you so much for that update. we appreciate it. well, today, new signs of a slowing economy as the february consumer confidence index posted its biggest drop since 2021. i want to bring in cnbc economics editor jeff cox. what more can you tell us, jeff? >> yeah. thanks, chris. so as you mentioned, the conference board's consumer confidence index, raising more questions about where growth is heading for the economy. the index

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we heard from treasury secretary scott bessett. he actually acknowledged that we could see some slow growth ahead. talked about sticky inflation. and of course, he blamed most of the issues for the previous administration, said the biden years relied too much on government spending. said the administration currently is trying to rebalance the economy using tariffs, using lower taxes, using lower regulation to kind of get the economy away from this reliance on deficit spending and huge government debts remains to be seen how that happens. the federal reserve is going to have a tough choice ahead of it. now, what to do with rates, as they kind of have these twin concerns over slowing growth and rising inflation? >> jeff cox, thank you for that. and still ahead where's the beef. just when you thought egg prices were bad. there are problems in your local meat aisle. to stay close. more chris aisle. to stay close. more chris jansing reports ♪ are you having any fun? ♪ ♪ what you getting out of living? ♪

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