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sit quietly. what the unelected billionaire had to say about his controversial email ultimatum that roiled thousands. >> of. >> federal workers. plus, one fight down, one to go. >> republicans squeeze a budget framework through the house. >> so how does that bode. >> for the much bigger battle ahead in the senate? and serial sentence. the latest chapter in the legal odyssey of adnan syed as the man whose murder conviction riveted millions of. podcast listeners a decade. >> ago. >> tries to. >> get his life sentence. >> cut to time served. a lot to get to. >> but we start. >> with that unconventional first cabinet meeting that just wrapped up with president trump presiding and turning what is typically a photo op into something closer to a full blown press conference. but right in the middle of all those senate confirmed cabinet officials, the unelected billionaire who may be more influential than all the rest elon musk. in fact, the president calling on musk to speak first about his slash and

burn approach to job cuts. >> it's not. >> an optional thing. it is an essential thing. that's that's the reason i'm here. and taking a lot of flak and getting a lot of death threats. by the way, i mean, like, stack them up, you know? but if we don't do this, america will go bankrupt. >> president trump put out a tweet today. >> saying that everybody in the cabinet was. >> was happy. >> with you. >> i just wondered. >> if that's if you. >> had heard otherwise and if you had heard anything. about members of. >> the cabinet who weren't happy with the way things were going. and if so, what are you doing to address those? any dissatisfaction? >> let the cabinet speak. just for a second. >> yeah, exactly. >> they're unhappy. >> with it. >> if you are, we'll throw them out of here. >> anybody unhappy? >> so in public at least. no showdown between musk and those cabinet secretaries, including

those who have told their employees. to ignore musk's ultimatum to federal workers. but when asked if the million or so workers who have not yet responded were off the hook, here's what president. trump said. >> those million people that haven't responded, though, elon, they are on the bubble. you know, i wouldn't say that we're thrilled about it. you know, they haven't responded. now, maybe they don't exist. maybe we're paying people that don't exist. but those people are on the bubble, as they say. they may be they're going to be gone. maybe they're not around. maybe they have other jobs. maybe they moved and they're not where they're supposed to be. >> i want to bring in. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez. >> who covers the white house. >> for us. >> david fahrenthold. >> is new. >> york times. >> reporter who has. >> reported some fascinating details about doj's work. and michael steele is a former rnc chairman, msnbc political analyst and co-host of msnbc's the weekend. okay, gabe. catch us up if you can. i know it was wide ranging and it went on. >> for a while, but.

>> the highlights. >> or. >> at least. >> the news. >> making elements of that cabinet meeting. >> oh hi. >> there chris. >> well. >> yes. >> there is a lot. >> to unpack. >> here, but. >> we'll start with those those. cuts that you mentioned, it was elon musk. >> as you said, that really. >> started out. this cabinet meeting and spoke for the first chunk of it. then president. trump took over and controlled the rest of the meeting, repeating many of the talking points that we've heard before and defending this shrinking of. the federal government. >> but of course. >> chris, this comes as just today we're hearing that the office of personnel management is sending this memo to department heads and agency heads telling them to prepare for large scale reductions and that all. agencies heads should be prepared. for a large scale reorganization plan by march 13th. now, i want to play what some of president trump had to say defending his cuts to the federal government just a short time ago. >> one of the most important initiatives is doge, and we have

cut billions and billions and billions of dollars. we're looking to get it maybe to $1 trillion. if we can do that, we're going to start getting to be at a point where we can think in terms of balancing budgets, believe it or not, something you haven't heard in many, many years, decades, actually. and it's a big whether it's this year or next year, i think we'll be very close to balancing budgets. >> of course. we should. >> note. >> chris, that the president said about cutting nearly $1 trillion. >> or at least billions. >> of dollars. so far, it's unclear exactly how much doge has cut, because they have not. provided extensive evidence to back that up. but i should make some other points, chris, on a lot that came out of that cabinet meeting, there was also a discussion of ukraine and the war in ukraine. the president for the first time, bluntly saying that that ukraine could, quote, forget about nato membership. also talking about, you know, he was asked once

again what he believed russia should give up in this negotiations. >> he said. >> he didn't want to comment on that. so some more discussion about the war in ukraine, some other things. the agriculture secretary, brooke rollins, said that when it comes to rising prices that the u.s. >> was. >> considering importing eggs from other countries. >> and also. >> from health and human services, robert f kennedy. jr says. >> that the u.s. government. >> is monitoring. that measles outbreak in texas. those are those are just some of the things that came up during this hour long cabinet meeting. the first of the administration, which just wrapped up a few. >> minutes ago, chris. >> all right. thank you for tha. nice wrap up. >> david. i want. >> to play a little bit more of what elon musk had to say. >> we bring the receipts. so people say like, well, is this real? just go to doge.gov. we line item by line item. we specify each item. so and we and i should say we also we will

make mistakes. we won't be perfect. but when we make mistake we'll fix. >> it. >> very quickly. >> so we have billions and billions and trillions of dollars. >> look you wrote a great. >> investigative story. you dug. >> deep into the cuts. tell us. >> what you found. >> fact check. >> these. >> kinds of statements. >> for us. >> well, what we found was when doge started that wall of receipts that musk was talking about, the five biggest cuts on that original list were all wrong. and they were wrong in two ways. that are two ways that are important. one, they were wrong in ways that made the cut seem much, much bigger than they actually were sometimes by like a factor of 1000. and also they were wrong in ways that showed that doge did not really know what it was looking at. it didn't understand federal contracts. you know, it triple counted one. it mistook billions for millions. in another case. they just seem to be making very basic errors about the data they were dealing with, which raises questions about how they're dealing with a lot of other data. you know, that we can't

see them using. >> so, michael. >> i mean, the other. >> thing that strikes. >> me is that. >> both elon musk and president trump talk. >> about these people who. >> are not even alive or. who never maybe were alive and who are getting paychecks. but i'm still waiting to see something posted on that site that says, we have. found this number. >> of people. >> look clearly. the cabinet. secretary sat there and listened. >> to. >> elon musk, unconfirmed, unelected. what do you make. >> of both. >> the power dynamic and do you think that the american people are going to buy what they're selling? >> i don't know about the latter part so much. i mean, that that's changing in quarters as as folks on the ground begin to experience more and more of what doge isn't, it is not a government efficiency operation. it is not, you know, designed to spare those who are directly

impacted by these decisions. but the first part is notable in so many ways. you have this unelected man standing there dominating the room. he is the most important person in that room, and that includes the president of the united states. >> you really. >> believe that he. >> is more important. >> than donald trump. >> that he was the best, that he was the first to speak, that the president didn't set the tone for the meeting. the president didn't lay out why they were there and what the and then say, you know, let's talk about some of the things that we're doing. this is where we start. the second thing that for me, that's important to note, that this, this sort of crazy question is so some of y'all are upset with musk and what he's doing. who are you? right. we all know who they are. it's been reported who they are. it's been reported that certain departments have

told their folks, ignore that last email that came from this idiot about telling you what you did last week. right? so the fact that that question was asked was designed to check them. and the fact that they just sat there like little lemmings and applauded the moment that more and more of their power was sucked away from them and affirmed by elon musk standing there is significant. now, i know a lot of folks are going to, you know, take exception to what i said about who the most powerful man in that room is, but i'm i'm sorry. i'm watching the dynamics. i'm listening to how this is laid out. if i'm the president, united states, i'm not letting him talk first. i'm not letting him stand up over my table. and i'm damn sure not letting him come into my house wearing his hat, which again, shows, you know, that he can get away. he had the maga stuff on the on the headline, but if you're serious about how you're going to

streamline the government and make the government more efficient, then then you put serious people in place to do that. you don't have unelected individuals, 19 year olds, going and inserting themselves into these institutions in a way in which, to be honest, on the back end of this, we don't know what musk and his team is planting inside our government systems that they can access through back doors later on. we don't know that. and to the listing of all the quotes savings, well, we've already shown that that's a lie. and so it's just this this cabinet moment reminded me of the first trump cabinet when he had everyone sit around the table and tell him how much they loved him. this is the next version of this is telling them not only how much we love you, but how much, how loyal we are to you, but especially to what doge is trying to do in the form of elon musk. >> yeah. so, michael, there's been some back and forth over

the last. >> several days. >> about who. >> actually is in charge of doge, but also congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. >> she's the. >> chair right, of the of the. >> doge subcommittee. >> she's making headlines. >> for. >> the. >> criticisms that she. has of democrats. who have been defending the federal. >> workforce against. >> allegations that, you know, they're a bunch of. >> slackers or they. >> need to justify. >> their existence. anyway. >> let me play what what she. >> had to say. >> you can protest. >> all you want, but the american people disagree with you. you're protecting. >> the bureaucracy. >> the bureaucracy. >> is not a business. >> those are not real jobs. producing federal. >> revenue. >> by the way. >> they're consuming. taxpayer dollars. those jobs are. >> paid for. >> by the. >> american taxpayer. people who work real. >> jobs, earn. real income. pay federal taxes, and. >> then pay these federal employees. >> federal employees do not deserve. their jobs. federal

employees not do not deserve. >> their paychecks. >> maybe i'm confused, but isn't she a federal employee? michael? i'm pretty sure. >> her federal. yeah, she is a federal. yes, yes. she's the level of stupid there is untenable. and the fact that she's the chair of this subcommittee should tell you everything you need to know. she is a federal employee. the american people don't agree with what's happening. every every polling piece of polling that's coming out shows a significant majority, which means which tells me republicans don't agree with this. and i want her to go have that town hall meeting and look, the poor folks in her district in the eye and tell them that the federal employees that are helping to provide their grandmama's social security and the snap food program receipts that they're getting that they are they're unworthy and they're they're not significant and important. so i

just this is where we are, chris. and the country is going to have to grapple with the wholesale onslaught against the government and the mess that's being left in its wake, because this is not going to get undone easily. as long as you have individuals like that sitting with power and control over how this plays out. >> so. >> david. >> look. >> we don't know how much money is being saved, if any money. >> is being saved. >> and it's been pointed out multiple times that it's a very small part of the budget. >> that goes. >> to federal employees anyway. so if you're. >> really serious about. >> saving money, you look elsewhere. having said that, do we know how much elon musk has benefited from the kinds. of government spending that he's now trying to cut? >> he's benefited hugely. elon musk has billions and billions of dollars worth of contracts. first of all, he used government subsidies to get started at tesla. there was sort of key government subsidies that helped

him get that company off the ground. but also he gets billions of dollars of contracts between mostly with his company, spacex, to launch rockets to provide satellite internet service. he is a major government contractor. so yes, he's cutting budgets across the or. he's trying to cut budgets across the government. but so far i haven't seen any indication that he's cutting something that would mean less revenue for his businesses. >> all right. well, there's going to be a lot more to come on this. gabe gutierrez david fahrenthold thank you, michael steele, you're staying with me in 90s the budget battle on capitol hill. as one gop congressman put it, you're either at the table or on the menu. but can the house and. menu. but can the house and. senate actually agree on a plan? when emergency strikes, first responders rely on the latest technology. that's why t-mobile created t-priority built for the 5g era. only t-priority dynamically dedicates more capacity for first responders. it ain't my dad's razor, dad. ay watch it! it's from gillettelabs. this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face...

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>> nbc's julie sirkin is reporting on capitol hill, and michael steele is back with us. so julie barely. right. this barely got through. the folks went home. they came back. it was quite a night. but what does the road. >> ahead look. >> like in the senate? >> well, senators don't want to take up the house bill. remember, chris, they passed their own version last week. it looks very different than the house version. the trouble for them is that, of course, trump wants all of this rolled into one big, beautiful bill. the senate has different ideas. they want that two track plan. their bill funds the immigration most primarily because, of course, trump is currently in the process of deporting illegal migrants and that is his clear priority. lindsey graham leading the effort on that. the house, meanwhile, with their extremely narrow margins, is pushing back on that idea. johnson, the speaker, is saying it's a lot easier for them in the house to get one bill than two bills. of course, in the house version, you also have the extension of trump's 2017 tax cuts. they also spell out exactly how much they're going to lift the deficit, the debt ceiling by how much they're going to cut the

deficit by. you see all those full screens there on your screen. the other issue in this, of course, is that senate republicans have lobbied trump on not only extending his 2017 tax cuts, but making them permanent, which not only faces procedural hurdles in the fact that this reconciliation process would rely on only republican votes, not on democratic votes. so they can't exactly change policy, but also the fact that that would balloon and bloat the deficit, which is exactly the opposite of what doge and elon musk is telling them to do. so at this hour. here's where we stand. republicans are huddling behind closed doors. siouxsie wiles, who is trump's chief of staff, is in there with them trying to figure out the path forward on that end. and then later this afternoon, you're going to see leader thune, the top republican in the senate, house speaker mike johnson, and the top republican tax writers in the senate and the house go to the white house, meet with top officials there, including scott bessent, who is the treasury secretary, to try and find a path forward. but this is the very beginning of this process. they can't even

instruct committees to begin writing the legislation that would ultimately fund the president's priorities. and i should note, this is entirely different than the effort, a bipartisan effort to fund the government. and that is not looking too good. i just spoke to a top appropriator who told me there is a real risk of the government shutting down, and you have these two parallel efforts right now happening at the same time. >> okay. so it's going to be a lot of long days and nights for you and your team. but michael, i democrats argue that republicans are going to have a hard time defending the cuts that they want to make. and here was a challenge from democratic caucus chair pete aguilar. >> go home and. >> have a town. >> hall with your constituents. >> see how they feel. >> about what you just did. >> if you're going to. >> rip. >> away health. >> care from people, then you. want to be able to. defend your vote. >> directly to them. >> but that would require the house republican. >> conference growing a spine. >> so we'll see. >> when you talk about health, democrats are talking a lot. about potential cuts to medicaid, arguing that they will

be the largest. >> in history. >> what will it be like if lawmakers have to go home to constituents who are impacted by the cuts? >> it won't be pleasant. i think that as as we're already beginning to see a lot of these communities are beginning to feel a little bit of this. there are certainly a number of these congressional districts, these red congressional districts have federal employees who are now caught up in the musk trump whirlwind of, you know, downsizing and, you know, taking a chainsaw, if you will, to the federal government that's, you know, decapitating a lot of lives and economic opportunity. a lot of these individuals are the sole breadwinners in their families who have been public servants, civil servants for ten, 15, 20 years or more. now they're they're upended. we've already seen the results of that and how that's translating into town hall meetings. republicans now saying we don't want to have

any more town hall meetings. right. we just we don't need to do that. well, okay. so i'm urging every constituency out there to hold the meeting anyway and invite the member that they've elected. and if they don't show up, that should tell you everything you need to know. so congressman aguilar is exactly right. how do you go back and have this conversation when you're cutting food programs that that provide breakfast and lunch and in some cases is the only meal that young kids are getting in the communities in which they live because of the poverty that they're living in. you couple that with health care cuts, not just in medicare but in medicaid. and so this is a complete. you know, abuse, if you will, of what what communities have come to rely on everyone likes to badmouth the government into, they realize how much of those services the government provides they actually need, and they don't necessarily look at them as government services, because there's that necessary to how

they exist, how they feed their families, how they provide health care for their kids. so republicans own all of this. now, you can't point to biden anymore. you can't point to obama. you we own this as a party and as as political leadership, as the governing leadership of this country. republicans own this, and they have to account for it. and it starts in these communities. you got to show up and listen to what folks are going to say to you when you tell them, oh, yeah, we just cut your health care. and by the way, the billionaire, you'll be okay. >> yeah, that's the other. >> part, right? of what marjorie taylor greene. >> had to say, which. >> is that. >> well. >> these programs. >> are not making money. the point is. >> that you give. >> your taxes and you get. >> services in. >> return for that. >> but julie and michael steele, more to come. thank you both very much. and coming up, the future of ukraine, the big sticking point that could keep them from agreeing to a major deal with the us, despite president trump's threats. and next hour, you've heard of.

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now confirmed, and we're going to be signing an agreement, which will be a very big agreement. >> the deal revolves around revenue from rare uranium, ukrainian minerals that trump wants as payback for military aid. but today, president zelenskyy. insisted that the deal must also include security guarantees for his country, saying. whether the agreement succeeds or fails will come down to his conversation with trump at the white house. joining us now, nbc news international correspondent megan fitzgerald. courtney. >> qb, is. >> reporting for us from the pentagon. megan, what else do we know about this deal and the potential concessions on both sides? >> yeah. so, chris. >> this initial agreement will give the. >> us access to ukraine's rare earth minerals. it's something that president zelensky. >> said he hopes will lead. >> to further deals. >> just to give you some. context here. >> ukraine has some important. >> elements in. >> minerals like. >> titanium, lithium. >> they've got a substantial amount. >> of gas, oil. >> and coal. >> which is said to. >> be worth billions. >> so the deal. >> essentially lays out a

framework for joint. investment in future mining. >> of. >> those minerals, in which. >> 50% of the. >> revenue will. >> be. >> put into a shared fund. now, the. >> financial times is reporting. >> that the. >> ukrainians agreed. >> to this deal. after the us. >> dropped some of the controversial. >> elements, including. >> the demand. >> that ukraine compensate the united. states some $500 billion. >> but here's the thing. ukraine has said several. times that. >> there's no. >> deal without security guarantees. president trump. >> just said earlier in his cabinet meeting. >> that the us will. >> not be making. >> security guarantees. >> that europe will. of course, we heard just a few days ago. >> from french. >> president emmanuel macron. >> he's been. >> pushing for a european. >> peacekeeping force to deploy to ukraine. >> with the united states providing a backstop to further deter russia. >> but then earlier today, we heard from russia's foreign minister sergey lavrov. >> who. >> said that having european and foreign. >> peacekeepers in. >> ukraine is. >> a red line. so. >> chris, i mean, there. >> seems to be. some progress.

>> here. >> but there certainly appears. >> to. >> be. >> much more that needs to be worked out before. >> we see any. >> sort of end. >> to this war in ukraine. >> and, courtney, you have new reporting on a similar deal that russia offered the trump administration. tell us about that. >> yeah, chris, it turns. >> out. >> that it's not only. >> the u.s. and ukraine who have been talking about. the potential for rare earth minerals to be mined in ukraine. it's also the u.s. and russia, according to officials who are familiar with the meeting that. >> the u.s. >> had with russian officials in. >> riyadh. >> last week. the russians came to the meeting with several potential options for the united states to get access to some of the rare earth minerals that megan was just talking about in eastern ukraine. >> so those. >> are in areas that are now considered russian occupied. in some cases, chris. >> some. >> of those areas are actually already, for all intents and. >> purposes, are controlled. >> by or at least being mined by some russian oligarchs. now, during this meeting last week. >> in saudi. >> arabia, the russians brought. up this potential deal. >> there is a there are a lot.

>> of rare earth minerals in the eastern part in donetsk. down close to down towards zaporizhzhia. >> those were some of. >> the, the potential. >> options that the. >> russians offered to. >> the united states. now, we are not aware of any deal that was actually cut here beyond just the fact that the russians offered it. but what's really important to point out here is these are russian occupied. areas that the russians appear to be open to the united states being a part of mining or even having some sort of rights to. >> these, these potential. >> mineral minerals. and it's not just. just the. >> titanium. just the lithium. >> there's also graphite in that area. but, chris, you know what else is in that area? a lot of unexploded ordnances and mines. it would take a tremendous amount of demining before anyone could exploit some of those areas. chris. >> megan fitzgerald and. >> courtney kube, thank you both. up next, his murder case got the attention of millions on the hit podcast serial. now, adnan syed is in a new court battle to get his sentence

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but he has remained out of prison. so what is happening in court today and what's the possibility here? >> yeah. >> i mean, certainly. >> things have been flip flopping for the past few years. >> for adnan syed. >> his family. >> as well as. >> the. >> victim's family. >> and today we have this sentence. >> reduction hearing. >> where we're. >> hearing from. syed's lawyers. >> and they're putting. >> forth at least six character witnesses. we heard from his younger brother who. >> talked about how syed. >> really believed in him with going to law school. we're hearing from two formerly incarcerated inmates who. had spent some time in prison with who have spoken to his character. he was nonviolent. he was always helping people out. we've also heard from a. >> psychiatrist. >> as well as. >> a social worker, who. >> are also speaking to. >> syed's character as well. >> on the flip side of things. >> as you just mentioned, we. >> heard from lee's younger brother as well as lee's mom. >> and they talked. about how this. >> murder really changed the. >> family dynamic. >> the younger brother. >> said he'll never be an uncle. and so what the case is in the last 24 hours, we heard from

baltimore prosecutors that this murder conviction will. >> not. >> be vacated. and so syed's attorneys are hoping that a fairly new maryland. >> state law, >> the juvenile reduction act, will be able to move forward in this case, which says if a minor has committed an act. or at least convicted of an act. >> that they. >> did over 20 years. >> ago, their. >> sentence can. >> be reduced. and that is the hope. hopefully the judge will see fit. >> from syed's. >> case that he will have. >> his sentence. reduced. or. >> he may go back. >> to prison. >> yeah. >> i mean, the stakes couldn't be any higher. marquise. so, kristen. >> the. >> baltimore city state attorney, says they support resentencing for syed. given that and given the multiple witness statements today, how does the judge balance that, including any number of people saying, look, he's been he was a model prisoner when he was in there? how do they balance that against the victim's family. who very strongly. >> oppose any. >> reduction in sentence? >> yeah, it's. >> a really. >> difficult judge job, and i don't envy the. >> judge in. >> this particular case. you

know, the judge has. >> a difficult job. >> is to weigh. say it's murder, strangulation, the severity of the brutality. you heard the mother. >> just. i think one of the. >> most compelling. >> things was the mother saying. and i wrote it down. the only thing i have was the last. thing she said to me. i love you, mom. that is going to ring in the. judge's ears as the judge. >> is really determining. >> what to. >> do here. there's nothing that can bring her back. >> but on. >> the flip side, there is going to be a clash between rehabilitation and justice, right? so when you're talking about. >> that, the. crime was committed when he was. >> 17 years old. >> he was young. >> he was impulsive. >> he was still developing. those are things that the judge is going to consider. the judge is going to consider. the expert testimony from doctor bos, who talked about who's a forensic psychologist and conducted that risk assessment and showed that he's actually. >> at a low. >> risk of re-offending, citing his clean prison record. but then on the other side. >> in addition to that

emotional. >> testimony. you know. there is, like. >> i mentioned, the severity of that. >> calculated, premeditated murder, because. >> as of right. >> now, he does. stand convicted. i think one of. >> the strongest arguments against him. >> is. >> as marquise was talking. >> about, the reinstatement. >> of that. >> conviction and. >> most importantly. >> that executive. >> summary, which makes. >> clear, the prosecution. >> under new. administration is actually flipped on whether or. >> not they think there were. >> any brady violations or. >> anything to indicate that he did not get a fair trial. >> and i. >> think that's really important in this case. >> yeah. >> i mean, as marquise did point out, the withdrawal of the motion to vacate the murder conviction, meaning it will remain in place no matter what. is one factor. but my colleague lester holt spoke exclusively to the state's attorney about this. here's what he told him. >> as we sit here right now, do. >> you. >> think adnan. >> syed is guilty of murder? you know, our. review of the motion

to vacate was. >> not whether. >> or not we looked at. >> his guilt or innocence. one of the things that i. >> would say is that. >> we stand behind. >> the jury's verdict. >> and but but the. investigation you've done. >> subsequently. >> none of that changes. i mean, would. >> you bring this case today. >> based on the evidence. >> you have. >> today, based on the evidence that we have today? yes. we would. >> no doubt. no doubt. >> we understand that adnan syed just went back into the courthouse. so that hearing is expected to continue. >> what do you think? >> or why. >> do you think? >> i guess kristen, they made that move. what does it mean for syed? >> i think that. >> state's attorney. >> had to make that. >> move to. >> indicate and. >> to ensure. >> the integrity. >> of the criminal justice system, but also. >> the integrity. >> of the prosecution's office. if i was a. >> prosecutor, still. >> a prosecutor, i would applaud. >> the state attorney's actions. >> you know. >> the public has a. >> right to know. >> and have trust. >> in the prosecution's decision. >> and as.

>> well as. >> to understand that there were, in. >> fact, no brady violations. >> there were, in. >> fact, the defense did have the opportunity. >> to investigate alternate suspects, the cell phone evidence that was really heavily relied upon, as well. >> as. >> that dna evidence. >> that. >> was really heavily relied upon. >> to overturn the conviction. >> those representations. >> about the legitimacy at the. >> time were. >> not actually. >> fully correct. and i think. >> that's really important. >> but i think one of the main critical. >> oversights that was. >> made. >> clear in the executive summary was that. >> it. didn't appear that the. >> former administration, state's attorney, mosby, really actually reached out. >> to that original. >> prosecutorial team. and that was one of the. >> most critical oversights that i found. in reviewing the executive summary. >> kristen gibbons and marquise francis, thank you both for being with us. >> we will. >> continue to watch what's. happening in that courthouse. still ahead, controlling. >> the narrative. >> why a new move by the white house is raising major concerns about the ability of a free press. to do its job.

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importance of the press. pool at the white house, the people. >> who follow the. >> president day in and day out explain. >> the big. >> picture implications for americans getting. >> news also. >> for the constitutional order. >> yeah. >> let me explain how the coverage of the. >> presidential pool. >> works, whether. >> the this president or. >> others are. >> in the oval office. >> traveling abroad, traveling. >> down the street. >> there's always a group of journalists. >> that. >> is called. >> the. >> press pool that. covers that. >> person's every. >> move there. they share. >> their notes, their video. >> their sound with their colleagues who are not there so. >> that they. >> can cover the president. and that information. goes to. the people in this country. >> and all over. >> the world, and that. >> for nearly. >> a century, the. >> whca. >> the white house. >> correspondents association. >> has created. a professional. >> standards for. >> format length. >> accuracy, most importantly for the american people. >> and they could trust. >> that those. >> standards created. >> by the folks. >> that actually do the. >> work were. >> understood by everyone. >> you could trust. >> the documents. >> and the reports that.

>> were coming. >> out of that. >> that can no longer. >> be trusted. >> frankly, because. >> at the end. >> of the day, the standards will be. >> created by. >> the folks that are. >> being covered, and that is different than it has. >> ever been. and at. >> the end of the day. >> like i said in my statement, this. >> is not about us at the whca. >> this is about the american. >> people being able to depend on. >> what comes. >> out of these. >> press pools and getting. unvarnished look. >> at the. >> people who run their country. >> we just saw. >> a picture of one of the deans of the white house press corps, peter baker of the new york times. he wrote this. eugene having served as a moscow correspondent in the early days of putin's reign. this reminds me of how the kremlin took over its own press pool and made sure that only compliant journalists were given access. is this a warning to journalists? if you ask questions or write stories the president doesn't like, you're not going to have access. >> no. >> i think. >> at the end of the day, what the white house has. >> said publicly or a. >> white house official. said that this.

>> was an. >> f around and find. >> out moment for the whca. >> not thinking, it. >> seems about the. implications for. >> the chilling effect it might have, and most importantly. >> the impact. >> on the american people. >> like i said, to be able to. >> trust what comes out of those press reports. >> and. you know. >> in a free. >> country, leaders. >> don't shouldn't get to choose. and for a. >> very long. >> time. >> white house. >> both democrat and republican. >> have allowed the. whca a third party of free of elected people. >> that are in the. >> board to help. >> coordinate all. of these. >> pools, because they know that. >> it makes them look strong. >> they it is, you know, picking the people who. >> are. >> doing it and you stay away. >> from it. and frankly, many. >> of them. >> decided that it was it took. >> up too. >> much of their time. >> that is. >> changing. >> it seems, today. >> yeah. and look, the argument that the press secretary is making about there's a lot of different ways people get their news now completely. >> axios give that. >> as just one example. and a lot of people there who worked in more traditional media who are great reporters. but as an

example of some of the alternative. news organizations invited into the briefing room by the trump press office, i want you to listen to a question from a reporter from the gateway pundit. this is not a straight news organization, but a far right, trump friendly. >> outlet. >> which. >> you will hear in this question. >> we're hearing this ironic narrative from the president's critics and the. >> left wing media. >> that elon. >> musk is an unelected bureaucrat, and he's doing all this terrible stuff, isn't one of doj's objectives to get. >> get rid of the federal. >> bureaucracy, the deep state, and also who was running the white house. >> when joe biden was in office. >> because i don't know. >> a single. >> person who believed it was joe biden. >> when he gets a question like that, the president often says, i like that question. of course, the premise of it is not even true. will the result of the white house's decision be that. >> we see. >> more and more of those kinds of questions, more and more opportunity. >> whether it's. >> the. >> president or whether it's. >> the press secretary.

>> to just. >> affirm what is being said to them. >> yeah. >> you know what's. >> really interesting? >> there's some. >> misinformation, not from. >> you, obviously, but that's out. there about. >> the whca. >> and who is in the pool, who is a part of. >> our association. >> but for. >> years we have worked. as new and. >> emerging. >> media. >> including the place. >> that. >> i worked at politico, grew up and became news organizations. >> to get. >> those news organizations within the pool to. >> bring them into the. >> fold at the whca. >> it's not true that we've been blocking people out, and some of those organizations are conservative outlets that we have have been good members of our pool. the daily caller. >> is in there. >> fox news. >> has been in there. >> for a long time. >> we have even newsmax. >> which is a which is a. >> member of the association. and so. >> it's not true that we've been blocking people out. >> because they're conservative. >> but at. >> the end. >> of the day, it does appear that the addition of some of these folks will change the tenor of a lot of those questions. and for us at the whca.

>> it's. >> always been about. >> a game of addition. >> and not subtraction. right? we want more. >> people. to be. >> in there. >> we want. >> to pay attention. >> to the. different changes that are happening in the. >> media environment, the podcasters and all of that. >> but those. >> decisions should. >> remain as a part of the folks that do the covering and not the people that are being covered. >> yeah, we should also say that one of fox news's senior white house correspondents was one who pushed back almost immediately on this decision. and i'm just going to say this is i don't. >> give. >> a lot of opinions. i try not to. >> give. >> opinions, but i spent two and a half years covering the obama white house and in a short period of time with donald trump's first administration, including traveling abroad with him, members of the white house press corps are some of the smartest, hardest working people that i've ever had the privilege to work alongside. the hardest job, bar none, in almost. >> 50. >> years as a journalist i've ever had. and hats off to you and other members of the. because your job is never easy.

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