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cabinet meeting for the press today. you'd have to forgive me for being cheeky. as elon musk seemed to be the star of the meeting, just listen to how president trump prompted the journalists in the room. >> you could ask me or elon. go ahead please. >> thank you, mr. president. >> thank you. >> mr. musk. >> i just wanted to ask. >> you that president trump put out a tweet today saying that everybody in the cabinet was was. >> happy. >> with you. >> i just wondered if that if you had heard otherwise and if you had heard. >> anything about. >> members. >> of the cabinet who weren't happy with the way things were going. and if so, what are you doing to address those? any dissatisfaction? >> oh. >> i'd let the cabinet speak just for a second. >> exactly. >> very unhappy to say it. >> you know. >> if you are, we'll throw them out of here. is anybody unhappy? >> they are.

>> they have a lot of respect for elon and that he's doing this. and some disagree a little bit. but i will tell you, for the most part, i think everyone's not only happy, they're thrilled. beyond the strange optics, the substance of what came out of that meeting was strange, too, since not a whole lot of it hewed to reality. elon musk claimed doge was working toward $1 trillion in savings with the cuts to the federal government, but the receipts don't exactly show that, he said. all you need to do is take a look at the doge website. but again, the website isn't exactly clear. cbs news found that one cut totaling 655 million was counted three times, and that in reality, the savings from that one cut was closer to 18 million. that another cut id'd by the new york times, the cancellation of an ice contract doge identified as worth $8 billion with a b was in fact only $8 million million with an

m. the intercept found a claim for $232 million savings at the social security administration, but it was actually a savings of $560,000. the ap reports. 40% of contracts canceled by doge aren't expected to produce any savings at all. none. not to mention an nbc news analysis that shows president trump's agenda cutting taxes, adding border security and the like will add more to the deficit than what doge can save. so there's that. there's also this. >> we will make mistakes. >> we won't be perfect. >> but when we make mistake. >> we'll fix it very quickly. >> so, for. >> example. >> with usaid, one. >> of the. things we. >> accidentally canceled very briefly was ebola. ebola prevention. i think we all want ebola prevention. so we restored the ebola prevention immediately. >> yes.

>> we would all like ebola prevention. good thing they caught it. joining us now, nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett haig, punchbowl news co-founder and msnbc political contributor jake sherman, new york times opinion columnist david french, and staff writer with the atlantic and msnbc political analyst ashley parker. it was a strange cabinet meeting, and garrett, i am a veteran of watching these cabinet meetings with donald trump. this one, this one even was stranger than the ones we saw in 2016. what was accomplished today? >> well, look, we don't even know the bulk of what actually happened in the meeting itself, because what we saw was essentially an hour long news. conference opening up for the meeting that was then held behind closed doors. as these meetings usually are in a non trump white house. so in that sense, the meeting itself may have been. >> more normal. >> but what we saw today was a lengthy press conference, as we've seen almost every day from donald trump since he took office, hitting a variety of topics. the costarring role that elon musk played in this cabinet

meeting was particularly unusual. asked to essentially stand up and defend the work that he and doge have been doing across the government. but when it was again. >> his. >> turn to speak, the president really embraced the cuts that elon musk has made and suggested that they will not be the end of this. listen to a little bit of what the president said after some of what you just heard from elon musk. >> there's a million people that haven't responded, though, elon. they are on the bubble. you know, i wouldn't say that we're thrilled about it. you know, they haven't responded. now maybe they don't exist. maybe we're paying people that don't exist. but those people are on the bubble as they say they may be. they're going to be gone. maybe they're not around. maybe they have other jobs, maybe they moved and they're not where they're supposed to be. >> katie, the phrase today was on the bubble a couple of days ago, the president talked about the prospect of people being semi fired. if you think that some of this is theater behind the scenes, these cuts are very

much coming. the omb, the office of management and budget, the accountants who run the federal government, put out a memo today telling all federal agencies to prepare for these drastic reduction in force cuts that are going to be coming in the next few weeks, telling agency heads they need to submit their plans back to omb and to the white house by march 13th. so the memo, the emails, the responses, the doge cuts, i think we should look at it as the tip of the iceberg for what is going to continue to be this aggressive effort by the trump administration, in whatever form it takes to continue to slash the federal workforce from now until, you know, they get to a position where they want to stop. and candidly, i think that's the open question. musk was asked what the federal workforce looks like when this is done. he only said he wants to keep people who are critical and good at their jobs, but couldn't put a number, figure or even a ballpark around what that means. >> it doesn't even appear that they're going through and deciding who's critical and who's not critical, because what we're seeing right now are just these these mass emails, these mass layoffs, the mistaken, you know, cutting of essential

groups like the folks that were watching out for ebola, only to scramble and then find a way to rehire them. same thing happened with like, the nuclear watch dogs in the country, the people that were overseeing bird flu, that sort of stuff. the way that they're doing it is particularly cold, and they're acting as if these federal workers don't have families, don't have lives, aren't real people, that they're just automatons or they don't really exist, or they're bloodsuckers that are bleeding the federal government dry. i know that was the intention. that's what russ vought, who authored project 2025, said he wants to traumatize these federal workers. marjorie taylor greene also weighed in on this today. let's play that. >> you can. >> protest all you want, but the american people disagree with you. you're protecting. >> the bureaucracy. the bureaucracy. >> is not a business. >> those are not real jobs.

producing federal. >> revenue, by the way. >> they're consuming. >> taxpayer dollars. >> those jobs are paid for by the. >> american taxpayer. >> people who work real jobs. earn real income. pay federal. >> taxes. >> and then. >> pay these federal employees. >> federal employees do not deserve their jobs. federal employees not do not deserve. >> their paychecks. >> there are democrats who and a lot of americans who will say the federal government is bloated and does need to be cut down 100%. that's not that's not really at issue here. but, jake, the way that they're talking about these workers, are they facing any blowback? are they is it hurting them? >> well, i. >> don't know. >> if it's hurting them. they are facing blowback. some of it is being. >> you know, put. on by. >> democrats and democratic groups. >> and there's. >> nothing wrong with that.

republicans do the same thing. it's to highlight. >> what they. >> believe are unpopular decisions and they are difficult decisions. there are two dynamics here, katy, if let me just say this at the top, if marjorie. >> taylor green believes federal employees. >> don't deserve a paycheck, members of congress could start with their own. they all make $176,000 a year. if they think that people. don't deserve a paycheck, they could start with themselves. they get paychecks. so that's number one. number two, what you. said just now was incredibly important. everybody believes it is really easy politics to not get the federal government for being bloated or overpaid or just too much all together. that's that is. popular politics. that is as old a tale as old as time, right? but when you get into it and you start cutting people. >> and people. >> are getting fired on a wednesday. >> and. >> being told that they don't have a paycheck on a friday. and that's difficult.

>> for. >> families across the country. and these just we should note, these are not. only people who live in the washington metropolitan area. there are federal employees for all agencies sprinkled throughout the country. >> so when. >> people go home, i don't care if they're republicans or democrats. they are going to have some sort of federal worker in their district or in their state, and some of them might be impacted. and we. don't know. and since this is only intensifying right now, katie, you know, the president said ellen should get more aggressive when he gets more aggressive. presumably there's going to be more people laid off, and some of those people are going to be in republican districts. and. >> like, we're only. >> 30 days into this administration or 30 something days into this administration, we haven't seen the. full turn of the screw yet. we have not seen how this will impact government. operations. we haven't seen how this will impact, you know, the employment. >> situation in. >> some districts. so the story. >> is. >> not is. >> not done yet. and i just.

>> want to say because this is important. >> number one. >> government is hard, right. running a federal government is hard. number two, appropriations is hard. this body, congress has ceded all of its power to the administration. it's embarrassing, to be honest with you. if you believe in a congress that has control. but congress, if they want to actually save money when they fund the government in a couple of weeks, they need to downsize the money that they're sending to these agencies. if there are 6000 employees at the irs who no longer have jobs, congress can and should if they want to follow trump's direction, congress can say, listen, we're not going to send the money for those salaries, those benefits, all of that money for those workers that would start to save money. we'll see if they do that. i have a feeling they won't. >> yeah. but the irs, you know, they're the ones that that make sure that everyone's paying their fair share. so firing irs agents. >> i was. >> using. >> that as an example. i wasn't saying i wasn't saying we should.

>> cut off money for. >> the congress should. >> cut. >> off money for the irs. let's take. >> another this. >> jake. >> jake, if you want to save money you're not going to offer, you're not going to put up a 4.5 $4.5 trillion tax cut. i mean, that's not saving, katie. this is. >> deeply. >> this is a deeply unserious process. if you say you want to balance the budget, first of all, none of these budget resolutions that congress passed balance the budget. but if you say you want to cut back on government outlays, government spending, but you're not going to touch medicare or social security or really even the defense budget, this reconciliation bill that donald trump wants passed includes $100 billion in new money for the pentagon, whether you you are a democrat or republican, you could believe that there is that social security, medicare and the pentagon needs some work. congress is not touching any of those things. so you're chopping around the edges here we are in debt $37 trillion, 36 trillion,

whatever it is. and if you're not taking on everything, then you're only working around the edges. so it's an unserious process at its fundamental core. >> okay. we're going to get more into that in a couple minutes. but let's focus on doge for a second again. and there was a question actually about who exactly was running doge because elon musk, the nominal head of doge, is apparently not the head of doge. the white house was asked about this yesterday. caroline leavitt really confusingly said she couldn't reveal the identity from the podium, but then she did reveal it a little bit later on, telling reporters who the person was. let's listen. >> amy gleason has been the doge administrator for quite some time, i believe several weeks, maybe a month. i'm not actually sure of the specific timeline we everybody knew and we said who she was to all of you because you are hounds in the media who are so obsessed with this for some reason. so in the effort of

transparency, we told you who that person is. there are so many bigger things in the world than who the doge administrator is. >> hounds in the media, obsessed with getting information. all right, so who is amy gleason? >> well, i mean, i will just say that first that this is something i have struggled with in my own reporting, because when you talk to the white house and you try to report on doge, the attitude is that doge is everything and nothing, right? doge is responsible for they would claim all of these amazing cost saving maneuvers, many of which they. >> have come up with. >> through faulty accounting or by accounting contracts that president biden cut or that expired on his watch or were set to expire anyhow. so doge is sort of. >> all powerful. >> omnipresent, omnipotent. and then when you go to them and you say, we heard doge did this, or this person at doge did that, the response comes back, well,

no, nobody works for doge. there, there. >> there is no. doge there. >> these there. >> is representatives of doge. >> elon is a. representative of. doge. katie miller. >> is married to stephen miller, is a representative of doge. which is all to say, i cannot give you a very clear answer because this has been. by design from the white house, a very confusing. nontransparent process. >> speaking of transparency, let's talk about white house decisions on transparency. and, david, the white house is now going to decide who's in the press pool. why is it a big deal for the white house to decide who covers it? >> well. >> granting or denying access based on agreement. >> with the. >> white house's. >> preferred words, for example. >> or whether or not. >> you're asking tough questions. i mean, this stuff is sort. >> of classic authoritarian. >> behavior you're trying to. >> mold, and you're trying to shape. >> who the. >> press is that's covering you. >> and so you're.

>> putting keeping at. >> arm's length the people. >> that you. >> think might be critical. >> you're pulling in close. >> the people you think are going. >> to be cooperating. >> with you. >> and so this is old. >> behavior. >> but it is exactly. consistent with all fronts here. >> i mean, the trump. term is motivated by malice. he has it. there is malice towards. >> the media. >> there is. >> malice towards government workers. this is not about money really. at doge, if doge was serious. about if serious. >> about fiscal conservatism and fiscal responsibility, you wouldn't be proposing. >> tax cuts. >> that. >> are going. >> to add. >> trillions more to the deficit than doge. >> will ever save in. >> 100 years. doge isn't about money, it's about malice. it's about punishing members. of the deep state. >> the foreign policy. >> is about malice. >> trump loathes. >> loathes president zelensky. >> he loathes ukraine. >> so you. >> just go through this process. >> again and again, and what you will find when you. scratch the surface of administration policy

is you find malice. >> you. find malicious. >> intent toward trump's enemies. same with the media, same with. >> government workers. >> same with ukraine. it's just. >> the pattern. >> what about what jeff bezos did? could that be seen as a capitulation to donald trump, saying that the opinion page now will only uphold two priorities. that's free markets. and what was the other one? personal liberties. >> and personal liberty and free markets. i mean, you know, can we not. have our nation's great newspapers owned by. people who are seeking billions of dollars of government contracts? i mean, this. is this should be sort of media 101, perhaps. i mean, it's very difficult. to see any of bezos's maneuvers in as outside of that context. i mean, this. >> is a guy who. >> has a rocket company, blue origin. one of the reasons why spacex is so. successful is the contracts, the government contracts that have poured into

space x. so how are we to look at this? is this a genuine desire. >> to create. >> the washington post editorial page as an engine of individual liberty, or is this a capitulation? well, given that we have already seen the pattern as malice, punishment, vengeance. it's hard not to see moves like this as anything other than an effort to, at the very. >> least. >> not be the enemy of the administration. >> yeah, it didn't seem to be as much of a glaring issue when you didn't have a president that was hell bent on making sure that everybody, you know, toed the line and was out for retribution. ashley. i mean, it was your home for so long, and now you hold it, dear. do you want to comment on any of this? do you have anything to add? >> sure. i mean, first and foremost. >> the. >> reporters at the post, the reporters and editors there, it's worth noting, are doing great journalism in the face of what has been absolutely

rudderless leadership for some time now. from the top on down and no clear business plan from the publisher. i said this publicly today, but i'll say it here. i think back to when i was still at the post and our new publisher, will lewis. >> he came down. >> he didn't. >> like some. >> questions, frankly, pretty benign questions from his reporters. and he berated us and said, nobody is reading your stuff. that may or may not be true. i don't quite believe that's true, but i just say the issue is not the quote unquote stuff. that stuff is also accountability journalism, pulitzer prize winning journalism scoops stories well told. the problem is right now at the post, and this is based on this is the view i'm now reflecting of friends and colleagues at the post where you might imagine, in addition to reporting on trump today, i've also been reporting on what's been going on at my former home who believe there is no leadership and who believe. and this is not a belief. it's based on the numbers that there's absolutely no business plan. and

it's a tragedy when you have a paper like the washington post that regularly competes with all of their marketplace competitors and beats them for there to be no business plan and no leadership. >> the problem is the world has changed so much. everybody in the media is feeling this. social media has taken over, and it's a struggle to figure out how to create revenue streams. the new york times has figured it out, obviously, with funding a lot of their journalism through the cooking app and to the games app. but everyone else is still trying to make a go of it. jake, i see your face. you're making a good go of it. all right. jake sherman, david french, ashley parker thank you very much. jake. you're sticking around. don't go anywhere. still ahead. we're going to get bang for our buck out of you. what james carville says democrats need to do to make a comeback. and while right wing populism is on the rise here and across much of europe, liberals are prevailing. they're dominating in one country in particular, what that country is doing a little bit differently than everybody else. plus, the

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suggesting what he calls the most daring political maneuver in the history of our party. his party, the democrats, advising democrats to roll over and play dead. joining us now, former communications director for jeb bush, 2016, and host of the bulwark podcast, tim miller. tim's also an msnbc political analyst, also with us, punchbowl news co-founder jake sherman. tim, roll over and play dead. how's that sound to you? >> okay, so i wouldn't get in trouble with james. i wore my lsu shirt. all right, i'm with james. 95% of the time, he's almost always right. but you can count me out for the bide my time and take it slow strategy. here for the democrats. i don't think that's right. i think instead they should learn some lessons from the republicans. when donald trump lost in 2020 that he didn't even go to the inauguration, he started calling them dementia. joe biden from day one, he was sending out insane bleats about every topic under the sun from mar-a-lago.

immediately when obama won, mitch mcconnell famously had the meeting and the capitol, where he said that it's his job to make obama a failed president. i think that the trump administration is giving the democrats a lot to work with right now. i think they need to educate people, particularly working class people, about the ways that they are going to suffer from these policies, whether they be the tariffs or the cuts to medicaid or the cuts to other government programs. and so i think that i would do the opposite, actually, in this case of what james said, i would say throw everything against the wall, see what message resonates with people, see what lands. there's plenty of time till the next election. and that'd be my $0.02. if the democrats were curious. >> to play james carville here, they don't really have a lot that they can do. they don't have much leverage. they don't have control of either house of congress. they can i guess they can, you know, not vote for government spending, not government spending, but, you know, a bill to avoid a government shutdown. but the republicans can pretty much cut

them out of everything else. so, i don't know, maybe wait, jake, and go for the jugular when they're at their most weakest. is that a crazy idea from carville? >> so. >> listen, i i'm ashamed to. admit i. didn't read mr. carville's column, but i will now. but i will say this, katie. >> well, that is the gist of it. just wait a tactical pause. >> yeah, okay, a tactical pause. fine. let me put it this way. >> we are today. >> the 26th of february in about whatever that is 17 days away is the government funding bill comes due. the reality will be for democrats is do they vote to keep the government open or not? that is a reality both for house democrats and senate democrats. that is a huge inflection point. and it's not only an inflection, inflection point. substantively, it's an inflection point on the tone that they want to set for this congress and this presidency. do they want to be seen, as you know, they have

traditionally wanted to be. seen as responsible stewards who are going to keep the government open, keep federal workers on the job, and not play these shutdown games that republicans play. well, listen, elon musk and donald trump are shutting down big parts of the government right now and have said that they kind of relish a government shutdown. so, i don't know, maybe it'll be in their interest to give them what they want. they'll blame the democrats, of course. and i think that will be also a tricky calculus. but they are trying right now. democrats are trying to negotiate some sort of controls on donald trump to put in the spending bill. so they're trying to say where congress tells you you need to spend the money, you actually need to spend the money, which is not something you'd have to do in a previous administration, because that would be the that's the table stakes for almost any president. >> donald trump. >> even say yes to that. >> no, of. >> course not. of course not. he would not say yes to that. so what are they going to get in exchange for their votes? nothing. so that's what they're going to have to make a decision on pretty soon, which is this is

their one inflection point in this congress, this moment right now, march 14th, are they going to give their votes for nothing, or are they going to hold them back and risk a government shutdown? >> tim, let's talk about the other budget bill, what the republicans have put forward so far. not a lot of talk about how they're going to pay for it. but is this a budget bill that gains them seats in the next midterms or loses them seats if they can get. >> through this? yeah, i thought, look, i think this budget bill is a bit is big a big problem for them, a big brier patch look. and they, they passed it with by one vote by the skin of their teeth. as i was, i was watching jake sherman and punchbowl news going on the back and forth drama last night. it didn't even do anything and it was just the outline. essentially. it didn't enforce anything last night. so if they pass it as is, i think you saw there were a number of people last night who have deficit concerns on the right who weren't, you know, maybe who might not support it. and then there are people that many people in the republican conference who have a huge

numbers of folks on medicaid in their district. it's hard to imagine some of them going for this once you know, the devil's going to be in the details on where all those cuts are under hhs in this budget. so i think i think the budget's big trouble for them. i think it'll be very challenging for them to get the votes. i think it's going to be very challenging for them to get the votes to, to stay open. and just one thing. on what jake was just saying. i interviewed ruben gallego about this this morning, and his point is like, they got to come to us and if they can't, they're in charge of everything. so if they can't keep the government open on march 14th, they got to come to us with something, you know, like we're it's this is not the case where we have agency. and i think that ruben is right about that. and i hope that the democrats take that posture, because i think that's the right strategic posture, that if the republicans need their votes in on march 14th, they're going to have to give up some, some, you know, substantive things. and we haven't seen any evidence that they're interested in doing that. >> we will see a war of the words soon enough. jake sherman, tim miller, thank you guys very much. coming up, what is happening in this country that's

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at 8:00. >> on msnbc. >> president trump says ukrainian president zelensky will visit the white house on friday to sign a deal giving the u.s. a share of its rare earth mineral mineral minerals. >> well, i'm not going to make security guarantees beyond very much. we're going to have europe do that because it's in you know, we're talking about europe is their next door neighbor, but we're going to make sure everything goes well. and as you know, we'll be making a we'll be really partnering with ukraine in terms of rare earth. we very much need rare earth. they have great rare earth. >> the way to avoid messing up saying minerals is just to keep calling it rare earth. they've got great rare earth. what was left unsaid? there was another deal for rare earth minerals that donald trump was offered. nbc news senior correspondent covering national security. and the pentagon cortney kirby has those details. >> katie, we've been talking a lot about. this deal between the united states and ukraine for

critical minerals in ukraine. but the reality is there was another deal, or at least elements of a deal that were on the table as recently as last week. now, according to officials who are familiar with the conversations in riyadh last week between the united states and the russian government, the russians came to the table with some options for the united states to actually take some ownership in critical minerals in areas in eastern ukraine that are currently being occupied by russian forces. now this. is areas in donetsk and down by zaporizhzhia. katie, those are areas that. >> have a high. >> amount of some very important critical minerals like lithium and graphite. now, we're not aware that any deal was actually penned here, but the fact that the russians came to the table with this option for the united states is critical in and of itself. now, this comes, of course, as the u.s. and ukraine are working through this deal on their own. a couple of the highlights of that, despite the fact that that treasury secretary scott bessent went to

ukraine recently and told president volodymyr zelensky that the united states would have some full ownership of some of the critical minerals, that's not actually what they agreed to here. instead, it will be a joint partnership. the investment will be in ukraine only and very critically. katie. neither side can sell any part of their ownership of these critical minerals without the other side agreeing to it. katie. >> courtney kirby, thank you very much. still ahead, speaking of scott bessent, what it means when he says he wants to quote reprivatize the economy, and at a moment when both the u.s. and much of europe are seeing right wing politics on the rise, one country is defying that trend. what is happening there and why what is happening there and why is it different? home. it's where we do the things we love with the people we love. celebrating, sharing—living.

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restrictions stopping landlords from raising rents. they created the world's first carbon tax on livestock. they've expanded access to abortion, all while providing universal health care and free college education. how? how? you may be asking yourself, they did it by moving to the right on immigration, passing laws that keep their borders closed to migrants, and forced legal immigrants to assimilate to danish culture. and they have been winning politically ever since, denmark's prime minister explained, quote, there is a price to pay when too many people enter your society. those who pay the highest price of this, it's the working class or the lower class in the society. it is not. let me be totally direct, she said. it is not the rich people. it is not those of us with good, good salaries, good jobs. joining us now, senior writer with the new york times, david leonhardt. this is

this is not what progressives say. and pretty much every other country, it's certainly anathema to what progressives would say here. and they got quite a bit of flak from it, from the surrounding countries for a long time, but explain why it's been working for them. >> well, so it's interesting because in the past, actually, there were a lot of people on the left who worried about very high. >> levels of immigration. >> if you go back. >> to the 20th. >> century, you see labor leaders. >> you. >> see civil rights leaders like philip randolph. >> say, look, we really. >> can't have two high levels of immigration because it will create a larger labor pool, and it will put pressure on wages and make it harder for workers. >> to join unions. >> and in a lot of ways, what the denmark social democrats have done is they've gone back to that history of a more blue collar left. and originally, as you said, katie, social democrats in sweden and germany and members of the labor party in britain said, this is terrible. you can't be anti-immigration. but now, as immigration has continued to rise in europe, and the details. >> are. >> different in europe.

>> than the. >> united states, many of them. but as immigration. >> has continued. >> to rise in europe, basically center left parties. >> in sweden and in germany. >> and in the u.k. have realized that we also have to get more restrictionist. and so in the uk, for example, keir starmer won the prime ministership by attacking the conservative government for not being restrictionist enough. so we now see across a lot of europe, the center left mimicking the danish center left. >> it's not as if they're stopping immigration. it's not like they're closing their borders. they're still allowing immigrants. >> that's an important point. in fact, denmark's population continues to grow more diverse every year. >> it's grown. >> more diverse. under frederiksen's prime ministership, she took. >> office in 2019. the foreign. >> born share of the population. >> in denmark. >> was around 10%. it's now 12.5%. i was just in denmark for this story. and you notice the differences. i mean, there are a lot of restaurants that are not danish restaurants. some of them are run by immigrants, but 12%. foreign born population is very different from the 20% in

germany and sweden, the two countries that border denmark. so it is becoming more. >> diverse. >> but it's becoming more diverse, more. slowly than its neighbors. >> do you get the sense that democrats here are taking anything from this? i mean, when we're talking about immigration levels here, i read in your piece, and this was a shocking statistic to me that in and tell me if i've gotten this wrong. but during the biden administration, more immigrants passed over the border than they did during the ellis island times. it was a giant migration flow. >> the peak the pace of immigration under the biden administration was faster than in any four year period in our history. even when you for today's larger population, 8 million people, about 5 million of them entered the country illegally. are the democrats taking the lesson? i think. yes and no. on the one hand, you see more democrats in congress saying we need a secure border. ruben gallego in arizona won by being quite hawkish on immigration. basically, all the

democrats who won tough races in the senate and the house were tough on it. kamala harris sort of pivoted, but she never explained why she was abandoning her own policy. on the other hand, i think there's still a lot of denial of reality and. >> excuses among democrats. >> you still hear democrats say that joe biden's policies weren't the reason for. >> the. >> huge surge in immigration, which i just think is wrong. look, immigration involves trade offs. yes. when we allow many more people to come to this country, it is good for most of the people who come, but it also creates strains in this country. just like prime minister frederiksen talked about, those strains tend to fall in working class communities. there's a reason that people in south texas and in queens and in the bronx and on the west side of chicago shifted in part away from the democratic party during this, during this election. and it's in part because those are the communities where schools and hospitals and the housing market and the job market are dealing with the strains from immigration. and for too long,

affluent liberals in this country have claimed that immigration is a free lunch, and they've told working class people you're ignorant or hateful. if you have any problems with with immigration and working class people have revolted against that. and i think what's so interesting about denmark is you see how a party that is unabashedly progressive in so many ways says that a moderate immigration policy is actually part of progressivism. >> yeah. and the accomplishments that we listed up top that they've been able to achieve, the expansion of abortion rights, the protection for renters, not allowing landlords to raise rent, etcetera, our accomplishments that any progressive would want here in this country. i want to talk to you more about this, but i ran out of time. and, david, you've done your research on immigration. you've got a book out about it recently, right? yes, i do, thank you. >> ours is the shining future. >> there you go. thank you very much, david leonhardt. come back and talk about this again. i'd love to. coming up next, what is causing inflation to rise and consumer confidence to take a

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