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>> what else is he trying to get out of america's neighbors? >> plus, a. supreme test for doge. the nation's highest court. hands the. >> president and his. >> billionaire friend a. >> legal victory overnight. >> what it could. >> mean for other legal fights. >> against their. >> slash and burn. >> also ahead, the. >> first child to die from measles in the us. >> in two decades. >> more on the dangerously expanding outbreak in texas. and more breaking news. oscar winning. >> actor gene hackman found dead. >> along with. >> his wife. >> and dog. >> what investigators are saying this morning. >> good morning, and thanks for. >> joining us. >> it's ten eastern. 7 a.m. pacific. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. >> we're following a. >> pair of breaking. >> news stories out. of washington. >> right now. >> just moments ago. >> president trump announced tariffs. against canada. >> and. >> mexico will go into effect. on march 4th. >> that's tuesday. >> and overnight, his mad. >> dash to downsize. >> the government survived its

first. supreme court test. >> chief justice. >> john roberts ruling that trump. >> does not have to release $2 billion. >> in. >> foreign aid, at least. >> for now. >> hours before that ruling, elon musk commandeered this white. >> house meeting. >> for the second time. this time, it was with the full cabinet. musk was the. only one standing. he was the. >> first guest to speak. >> leading. >> to this. >> telling moment. >> let the cabinet speak just for a second here. >> we're joined now. >> by nbc news white house correspondent erin gilchrist. >> and. >> msnbc political. >> analyst republican strategist susan del percio. >> and democratic strategist basil smikle. >> erin, first tell. >> us about. >> president trump's new tariff announcement. >> well. >> this announcement was via. >> his truth social social media. >> site, ana. >> and this is referring. >> to the tariffs that the president. >> announced in. >> the early days of his term, saying that he wanted to put. >> 25% tariffs on canada. >> and mexico.

>> because of the. >> flow of. >> drugs into this country. >> from those two countries. >> and in this post, you see on your screen here highlighted the. >> portion where. >> he says. >> until that flow stops or is seriously limited. >> the proposed tariffs, scheduled to. >> go into effect on march. >> 4th. >> will indeed. >> go into effect as scheduled. >> china, likewise. >> will be charged an additional 10% tariff on that date. we know that the 10%. >> tariff on. >> china already went into effect. >> and now. >> we're hearing again that, in fact, that 25% tariff on all goods, with the exception of some energy goods for canada, will go into effect next week, as the president indicated when he spoke yesterday in that cabinet meeting. this. >> of. >> course, has been a point of concern for the impact that it would have on trade relations, the impact that it would have potentially on inflation in this country, knowing that an additional tax on foreign imports would likely be passed on to american consumers. we know the president had some conversations with the canadian prime minister, with the mexican president that seemed to they

seemed to address some of the concerns from the trump administration and take some actions that seem to be at least pushed the ball down the field a bit with with that delay almost a month ago now. but we hear again that that these tariffs will go into effect next week. >> and so. there's also this supreme court at least. >> temporary victory for. >> the. white house. >> what happens. >> next with this. >> foreign aid freeze. >> well, we. >> wait tomorrow. there's a deadline for both the department of justice and the plaintiffs in this case, aid organizations that were receiving some of this foreign aid money. they have an opportunity to submit more briefs to the supreme court. the deadline is noon tomorrow, and then the court will figure out how exactly it is going to weigh in on this issue. to back up a little bit, when the president instituted this freeze on foreign aid across the board, some of these organizations went to court and said that they can't function. there would be irreparable harm done to them and the people that they serve all around the world. if that

money was to be just frozen totally, the judge put an order in place that said the government had to release some of those funds. our understanding is about $2 billion is what we're talking about. in this particular case, the plaintiffs came back and said the money wasn't released. the government said they needed more time to be able to unfreeze such large amounts of money. the lower court judge seemed not to buy that explanation. and now this is going up to the supreme court. >> and so part. >> of. >> the administration's argument. >> as you. >> point out, is that it would. >> take. multiple weeks. >> to free up the funds. >> let me. go a. >> step further here and quote directly from their filing. they said it's. >> not as. >> simple as turning. >> on a switch or faucet. rather, the payment. >> systems of. >> usaid and state. >> are. >> complicated and require. >> various steps before. payments are authorized. >> so, susan, if you accept that if the goal of. >> the department of. >> government efficiency. >> is to. >> make things more. >> efficient. >> is this the best way, the

most efficient way to cut. costs and cut. positions and increase efficiency? well, i would make the. >> argument there's nothing that's been done to make agencies more efficient, to run smoothly, to run smarter, to run leaner. what they've done is simply decide the best way to cut the budget or to eliminate is to eliminate people. the way to get their their. markers of efficiency. >> and i. >> use that very. lightly in quotes, because just firing people does not make an agency more efficient. as a matter of fact, right now it's adding more chaos. and with these. >> contracts. >> we know that that's not happening because government. is different than a business. >> you just don't. >> stop and start. payments and there are lives at stake. so are they being efficient? absolutely not. but that doesn't mean that the. public doesn't recognize it. and there are those. >> who have supported. >> donald trump who say. >> look. >> he's doing what he. >> said he would. >> well, some. >> republicans have started to raise concerns.

>> about what's happening. >> with doge. we know now that there was a group. >> of senate republicans. >> who met with trump's. >> chief of. >> staff. >> siouxsie wiles, yesterday. >> some allies. >> who are. >> saying. >> more transparency, please. basil, does it feel like we're reaching a tipping point here? >> i think so, and i think a lot of it, you can see a lot of it from the town halls that these republican members are holding in their districts, where you have some of the guidance from the republican leadership, say, don't do the in-person town halls. maybe you should move to zoom or something like that. very cowardly, actually, because if you're going to make these very substantial cuts and it's going to affect people's lives, why don't you meet the people where they are and answer to as to why you're doing this? the federal government, 150,000 workers voluntarily leave the federal government every year. you could have done a lot of this work through simple attrition, but no, they've decided to create the show. so you have elon musk showing up at cpac with a chainsaw because it's about the theater. but that theater actually affects

people's day to day lives. and yes, i do feel that there's a point where the republican leadership is going to meet their constituents and going to have to answer for this. >> and president. trump is still telling musk. >> to be more. >> aggressive. >> but it sounds like they may be. >> now going to try. >> a. >> new approach. >> explain that. will it be more orderly? >> well, i think what we're about to see happen will be more orderly, at least on paper. but you have to go back to that email that elon musk and his team sent out over the weekend, that five accomplishments email that went out to federal workers. we know from the white house that about a million people responded to that, responded to that, which means about a million people didn't respond to that. and it was brought up in the meeting yesterday in the cabinet meeting that potentially there could be a second email that would be sent out and there would be a desire for people to respond to that if they didn't respond to the first. i want you to hear president trump speaking about that just a bit during the meeting. >> those million people that haven't responded, though, elon, they are on the bubble, and it's

possible that a lot of those people will be actually fired. and if that happened, that's okay, because that's what we're trying to do. this, this country has gotten bloated and fat and disgusting and incompetently run. >> and so what we got from the heads of omb and opm yesterday was a memo sent out to all the federal agency heads saying that they needed to submit their reorganization plans. the first phase due in about two weeks. that explains how they are going to meet the directive from the president to reduce the entire federal workforce. it said that the focus needed to be on the maximum elimination of functions that are not required by law. that means cutting positions, cutting the workforce. obviously, it means other reductions, all part of that first phase. and then there's a second phase plan of the reorganization, one that is looking forward to how these agencies will operate with that reduction in force in the future, that could include or would include, according to this memo, taking a look at every single federal employee, their job description, their job

function, their performance reviews and making determinations about their future employment and potentially looking at the real estate that the federal government uses and whether there might be a need to give up many of the buildings here in d.c. and move functions into places where it would be cheaper to operate buildings. >> so. so yesterday. >> at the cabinet meeting, there was. this other. >> point where. elon musk reiterated. >> that doge. >> will make mistakes. watch. >> we will make mistakes. we won't be perfect. but when we make mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. so, for example, with usaid, one of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was ebola. ebola prevention. i think we all want ebola prevention. so we restored the prevention immediately. >> i mean, he's. >> laughing about. >> messing with life saving stuff here. >> exactly. >> like, you shouldn't be that. >> careless that you cut it in. >> the first place. >> that is what's really going.

>> to lead. >> to a lot of frustration. >> basil talked about one of the town. >> halls when one of the one voter said, why. are you. >> being so sloppy? >> and that's the frustration that we're starting to see. but there is, you know, there is. something to be said, at least if the trump says he requires all his agency heads to cut the workforce. >> by, let's say. >> 20%. >> okay, then. >> you allow the. >> agency heads to. make those decisions. >> and not. just arbitrarily. >> cut. >> here and there. let me make no mistake, the employees that were. >> first cut were probationary. >> they had. >> no they had no. >> rights to. >> labor contracts or anything. >> like that. so that was easy. >> but now the hard work comes. >> now i will. >> say the residential. >> buildings. >> i mean, i'm. >> sorry, the business, the government buildings are interesting because washington dc will be thrilled because they may get part of their tax base back as a result. >> of not having. government buildings there. that's a good thing. >> but that also resonates with the public because the

government should. >> be everywhere. i don't. >> think that's a. >> bad idea. >> we're also tracking. >> some of the discrepancies in what elon. >> musk. >> and doge is saying it is saving, and nbc has uncovered more inflated doge claims. they've now cut dozens of prospective. >> contracts. >> framing this. >> as savings. >> but it's not saving anything. >> at this point. and let us. >> explain here. >> the agreements are known as blanket. >> purchase agreements. >> bpa's working more like a. >> catalog of. >> things the government might buy. these are meant to. >> improve efficiency by. >> actually fast tracking deals with vendors. >> doge includes 60. >> of these. >> in their. >> wall of savings. >> and basil, this is really just. >> the latest. >> in another move. >> they've they've claimed to. >> cut billions. >> when it. >> was millions. >> in other. >> cases. >> doge has double. >> or triple counted certain cuts. so what kind of damage. >> does this. >> cause with. >> the public trust? >> a tremendous amount. it's clear they don't know what they're doing. and to susan's point, if you really are serious about making these changes, you

look to the agency heads and the folks with institutional memory to be able to say, you know what, maybe we can cut here and there. that's what a responsible leader would actually do. and to be clear, there have been presidents who have talked about this before. i remember back in the 90s, they were there was a movement towards what they called total quality management. i remember al gore saying something that about a hammer that cost $10,000 because of the myriad contracts that covered the purchasing agreements. so there are there is a history of leaders wanting to do this. what they don't do is engage in this work that, that that that negates the complexity of government and the impact that it has on people's lives. and that's why, you know, what you're seeing here is, is so potentially dangerous. >> susan del percio. >> thank you both. >> good to. >> see you. >> and joining us now. >> is democratic congresswoman. >> christi houlihan. >> of pennsylvania. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. i know you've got some votes to get to here. so let's. >> dive in. >> i want to.

>> start by. >> sharing the. stories of three recently. >> laid off federal workers. >> from across the. >> country who are angry with president trump. >> and. >> elon musk. >> it hurt a lot to get laid off. >> get fired on, especially on my birthday. i'm worried that she's going to possibly miscarry because of the stress that it's putting on her. projects will be. >> dropped. treatments. >> or detection. methods will be lost. >> i really. >> felt that we. >> were providing. >> support and care to. >> humanity around the world, and that made me feel proud. no matter. who was president. >> what's your. >> reaction to that? >> it's hard not to just be stunned and overcome by. >> grief. for those. people who. >> i mean, listen, nobody joins the federal. >> government to get rich. >> they do it because. >> they feel like that there's a purpose to their jobs and. >> a. purpose for. >> the work itself. and those are. >> stories of individual. >> people that. >> i hear all the time. >> we have solicited the same kind of feedback. >> from our community and

gotten. hundreds of the same kind of stories. >> that are. >> impacting communities across this nation. and it's tragic. >> more cuts. >> are coming. >> first, it was doge. now each agency is being. asked to make their. >> own cuts. take a listen to speaker. >> mike. >> johnson yesterday. >> when he was asked about the viral videos of town halls, where. >> we've seen. >> constituents angry at their gop representatives. >> watch. >> no, because the no, i don't because the videos you saw of the town halls were for paid protesters in many of those places. these are democrats who went to the events early and filled up the seats. if you had if the videos had panned out, they were. >> building protesters, though. mr. speaker. >> many of your republican. >> acknowledged they were his constituents. >> one republican acknowledged they were constituents. that's fantastic. okay. but they had democrats come and fill the seats early. >> what do. >> you make of that answer? >> that's enormously paranoid. i think that the. reality is, listen. >> i just had a town hall. we had 700 seats filled. we had

hundreds. i estimated about 5 or 600 who were turned away. and they were all very concerned. >> and i. >> live in a purple community of roughly 40%. >> dems. >> 40% republicans and 20% independents. >> and people are. anxious and they are worried. and listen. >> that's their job. their job is to have these town halls and to listen to the feelings and concerns of their community. and the idea that somehow these are plants is ridiculous. the last thing. >> i'll say. >> is there's. >> a rumor around here that he, the speaker, is encouraging his community. >> not to. >> hold town halls any longer. >> because of. >> the visuals. >> of. >> these kinds. >> of town halls. >> and that's also really irresponsible. >> nbc has that. >> reporting as well. there's also. >> the potential cuts. coming to medicaid. which covers about. >> 72 million americans. >> mostly low income disabled people as well. the gop. >> budget proposal. >> would cut medicaid spending by up to $800 billion. >> do you see. >> that happening? >> i don't see how. they can't have that happening, given.

>> this death of the. >> cuts that we just had people. >> vote on. >> this week in terms of what the budget will look like on medicaid. >> as you mentioned. >> is obviously something that quite a lot of our communities rely upon. my community has 23% of our community who are disabled in one way, shape or form, including members of my own family. and the idea that we would be cutting those kinds of things is gutless and heartless, and it's literally impossible to see that that won't happen given. >> the depth. >> of the cuts that they're proposing. >> you're an air force veteran, and later today, veterans who were fired by. >> doge will. >> share their stories about the hardships that they and their. >> families are facing. >> now, the. >> va is pouring billions in cuts after intense outcry. >> the ap says. >> some of the proposed. >> cuts would. >> affect everything. >> from cancer. care to the. >> ability to assess toxic exposure. >> again, these. >> cuts are now on pause. >> what have. >> you and other. >> lawmakers been told. >> about how decisions are being made? >> you know, i'm i'm flabbergasted. i have, like

almost no words to describe what you just showed in terms of elon's, you know, conversation about that. mistakes will be made when you're talking about sort of what's happening with ebola or problems happening with our veterans. listen, those are the very same people who fight and die in many cases for our freedoms. and here we are, you know, undermining their their care and our concern for them. and it is it's super alarming. i can't figure out how the doge is working. it's certainly not effective and efficient. if i could add. i also heard that recently the meeting of trying to assess what the flu vaccine would look like this season has just been canceled. there are lots and lots of people, elderly people in my community and other other places who will need that flu vaccine and also those who are immunocompromised. and we are in the active process of killing americans when we do things like that. >> and we'll have more on. >> that flu vaccine issue later this hour. >> democratic congresswoman. christy houlihan. >> thank you very. >> much for. >> taking the time and sharing your. >> perspective and insights. >> we appreciate it. >> you're welcome. thank you.

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>> important stories are going to be told through field work and frontline reporting about the consequences of government action. >> alex wagner, reporting from across the country and the rachel maddow show weeknights at nine on msnbc. >> welcome back. >> growing alarm in the medical. >> community as the measles. >> outbreak in texas has turned deadly. >> health officials say school. >> aged child. >> who was not vaccinated. >> has died. >> this is the first u.s. >> death. >> from the disease in a decade, and the first. >> time a. >> child has. >> died of measles in. >> the u.s. in more than 20 years. >> nbc's priscilla thompson has the latest. >> from lubbock, texas. >> priscilla. >> and overnight, kentucky reported its first case of the measles in an adult who traveled internationally. it comes after that child here in texas did tragically die, according to the cdc. this is the first death of a child from measles in the u.s. in more than two decades. meanwhile, today, officials on the ground are urging vigilance

and vaccinations. this morning, an unvaccinated child has died from measles, officials say, amid a worsening outbreak in west texas. >> this virus. >> can have severe and deadly consequences. >> state health department officials have confirmed at least 124 cases, 18 of them resulting in hospitalizations. >> the patients who have been hospitalized, they've all been unvaccinated. >> now fears the highly contagious disease is spreading. a case was just reported in an adult near dallas. and texas health officials say a person who unknowingly had measles traveled to san marcos and san antonio, potentially exposing people at two major universities and half a dozen restaurants and stores. >> we worry about measles. >> because it's one of the most transmissible. >> pathogens we know of. >> in a cabinet meeting wednesday, health and human services secretary robert f kennedy jr, a vaccine skeptic appearing to downplay the current outbreak. >> it's not unusual. >> we have measles outbreaks every year.

>> kennedy also saying hospitalizations were done mainly for quarantine, though health care providers on the front lines say that's not true. >> we don't hospitalized patients for quarantine purposes. >> health experts also arguing this outbreak, which comes amid a decline in childhood vaccination rates, is different. >> when you have individuals who are not immune, then that gives the virus the opportunity to spread really rapidly. >> cases have now been reported in nine states, but officials have not said they're connected. pediatricians like ana montanez in lubbock, emphasizing the importance of being fully vaccinated with. >> one dose of the vaccine. >> your protection. >> is anywhere from 90 to. >> 93%. after the second dose, the protection rate goes up to 97. >> to 100%. >> if you could buy. >> two lottery tickets and be guaranteed. >> 97% chance. >> of winning. >> the lottery. >> would you do. >> it?

>> here in lubbock, the state health department has set up a vaccine clinic. and health officials on the ground here are urging parents who have children under 12 months to talk to their doctor about possibly getting that first dose of the measles vaccine earlier than the one year mark, when it's typically administered. adults here who may be concerned about their status can also see their doctor about a blood test to determine their immunity and whether a booster shot might be needed. >> all right, priscilla thompson. >> thank you so much for that reporting. >> and joining us now is. >> doctor paul offit. >> director of the. >> vaccine education. >> center at the children's hospital of philadelphia. >> he's also a. >> member of. >> the fda. >> vaccines and related. >> biological products. advisory committee. >> doctor offit's. >> nice to see you. so. 124 cases in. >> texas that we know of right now. >> the first child death from measles. >> in. >> this country in more than two decades. we're seeing cases. now across. nine different states. what is your. >> reaction to the secretary of health and human. >> services downplaying. >> this, saying. >> quote, it's. >> not unusual. we have measles.

>> outbreaks. >> every year, right? >> that kind of glib statement from the secretary of health and human services, knowing that we eliminated. >> this virus from. >> this country by the year 2000. the two. >> doses of. >> a vaccine. eliminated this most. contagious infectious disease. it's come back in large part because parents are choosing not to vaccinate their children. why? because they've been scared of vaccine safety. specifically things like autism. this man, rfk jr, has stood shoulder to shoulder with andrew. >> wakefield. >> who was the discredited uk physician who first claimed that measles, mumps, rubella caused autism and that paper was ultimately retracted. he has been shouting from the rooftops for 20 years that vaccines cause. >> autism. >> and for that reason we now have a generally under-vaccinated population in many areas that put them at risk of this. there was a child who died of a vaccine preventable disease. i mean, that is a. tragic moment. he should be

enormously sympathetic. >> and this sort. >> of glib. well, this happens all the time. >> it doesn't. >> have to happen. and definitely in. >> part. >> it's happening because of his advocacy. against vaccines. >> in. gaines county. >> texas, which is the epicenter of this most recent outbreak. for the last. >> school year, they had a. >> vaccine exemption. rate around 18%. >> so i'm. >> wondering what percentage. >> of the population. >> has to be vaccinated for that. >> herd immunity to keep. >> measles from. >> spreading, especially. >> now that. >> it's taken. >> root in some communities? >> well, for. >> measles, around 95%, because it's that contagious. typically, if you. >> look at viruses. like sars-cov-2. >> or influenza or respiratory syncytial virus, i mean, you will infect about 2 to 4 people during a day, assuming everybody you come in contact with is susceptible. for measles, it's 18. it's an air space disease. you only have to be in someone's air space within them two hours, within. two hours of them being there. you don't have to have direct face to face contact. that's what makes it so difficult to contain. and when he says we quarantine in the

hospital, the opposite is true. you don't want measles cases in the hospital if you can avoid it because it's so contagious and you have a vulnerable population of hospitalized children, many of whom are immunocompromised. so he just doesn't understand the way this all works. >> and doctors treating these kids there. >> in texas are saying some are in. >> the. intensive care unit. >> right now. >> how long. >> does it. >> take after someone gets. the measles vaccine for their protection to kick in? >> usually about seven. >> days. >> 7 to 10 days, you'll develop an immune response, which is protective. i mean, i lived through the 1991 philadelphia measles epidemic. we had 1400 cases and nine deaths in our city. our city became a fear destination. schools canceled trips to the city. we vaccinated down to six months of age. it was a nightmare. and like here, it sort of centered on two churches that chose not to vaccinate their children. that was also true in the mennonite community in west texas, although, you know, it wasn't 0%. there was about 80%, but

again, not enough. >> you're part of. >> the fda vaccine committee that works on building. >> each. >> year's flu vaccine. >> but i know your. >> next meeting was. >> just canceled. >> and i. >> understand this was. >> now the second. >> meeting disruption on vaccine policy since rfk jr took over at hhs. >> so what's. >> going on? why are. >> these meetings being. >> disrupted, and what is the. >> impact. >> of not holding. >> these meetings? >> right. so it would be important to know who's making that decision, why they're making that decision. because what you fear is that this is project 2025 in action, where it says, for example, regarding the cdc, that they don't want the cdc to be a recommending body. and maybe that's also the way they feel about the fda in terms of expertise. it's our committee, the so-called vaccine advisory committee. it consists of about 12 people who have an expertise in the field, who are not affiliated with the government, not affiliated with the pharmaceutical company, and hold science to the highest possible standard. and so we often have discussions. occasionally we disagree. but if you're going to have a policy, you want to make sure that those kinds of discussions happen. and

i think it's sad that this was committee meeting that was canceled without explanation. >> without explanation. doctor paul offit is. >> always i really. >> value your insights and expertise. thank you so much. >> for taking the. >> time with. us today. >> thank you anna. >> up next. ana cabrera. >> reports the. >> british are. >> coming to the white house. >> what's on the. >> agenda for president. >> trump and the u.k. prime. minister ahead. >> of ukraine? >> president zelensky's visit tomorrow? plus. >> where are. >> they now? >> an update on. >> the. >> january 6th. >> defendants who were pardoned. >> by the. >> president and. >> why. some are already back. >> why. some are already back. >> in court. [gasp!] beak's up! we're trapped by dishes. don't worry. they've got new dawn powersuds. it traps, locks and... removes 99% of grease. so it doesn't get passed from dish... to dish. cleaned and stacked. like ducks in a row. new dawn powersuds. asthma. does it have you missing out on what you love with who you love? it's time to get back out there with fasenra.

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>> the u.s. to renew. >> its. support for ukraine? >> well, anna, good to be with you. look, you know, prime minister starmer is hoping that the uk's actions will help to move the needle here. starmer has made very clear of his intentions when he meets with the president in the next hour or so. but look, you know, despite the things trump has said about starmer over the last few weeks, starmer himself has put a lot into this relationship, calling then candidate trump, for example, last summer after the assassination attempt. he has consistently said that they have a close relationship. but this is certainly a high stakes meeting, no doubt about it. starmer is expected to reiterate the uk's commitment to securing long lasting peace in ukraine, that there can't be negotiations about ukraine without ukraine. to your point, anna, he's expected to recognize and discuss the actions that the uk has already taken and the overall need for europe to step up and play its part on global defense. but here's the sticking point where the rubber meets the road, if you will. president

trump clearly said yesterday in his cabinet meeting that the us is not going to make security guarantees beyond very much saying that's up to europe. but prime minister starmer has consistently said how important it is for there to be a us military backstop for ukraine. also, as you mentioned, something that french president emmanuel macron called for when he met with trump this week. so the concern here is that without a us backstop, russia will one day return in pursuit of their mission to take over ukraine. so again, this is a high stakes meeting today and tomorrow and something that we will be watching closely. >> that's right. >> and reporting it out. thank you megan fitzgerald for that. up next here in ana cabrera reports, they were at the capitol on january 6th and received a pardon. and now some are finding themselves. >> in. >> fresh trouble. >> fresh trouble. >> with the law. (auctioneer) let's start the bidding at 5 million dollars. thank you, sir. (man) these people of privilege... hoarding the financial advantages for far too long. (auctioneer) 7.5 at the back. (man) look at them — unaware that robinhood gold members

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>> or injure an officer and. >> other conduct. >> on january 6th. >> but yesterday, a justice department. prosecutor struggled in court to articulate. >> whether that. >> pardon should also cover. >> separate gun charges. >> that wilson pleaded. >> guilty to. >> as well. >> during the hearing. >> the judge said pardons. >> had to. >> have a, quote, fixed. >> meaning and a clear definition. >> nbc's justice correspondent ryan riley has been following the january 6th cases closely. and ryan. >> this is an interesting. >> case for. >> the justice department. what exactly did they. >> argue about? the scope of wilson's pardon? >> yeah, it's a really difficult position for this justice department attorney to be. and the judge, you know, said that pretty frankly because they did a 184 reversal on this just a few weeks ago. they were saying that the clear language of the pardon does not apply to this completely separate. crime that this individual, dan wilson, admitted to committing in his home state in 2023. so basically what happens is his home is searched. they find a new crime off of that, and then he is charged with that crime and pleaded guilty to that crime.

now, the plain language of the pardon, the way it is written, has been interpreted by judges and initially by the justice department, that this applied to crimes that happened at on january 6th at the capitol in or around the capitol. but now, because the justice department says they got clarification on the intent of the pardon, basically meaning they've heard from donald trump what they think he wants, what they want to do here. they're trying to broaden this out. and so it's really. >> been scattershot. >> all over the board with these justice department lawyers making these arguments. but, you know, judge, the judge in the court yesterday really grilled the attorney there about whether or not it applied here. and one of the cases that she compared it to was this case involving actually sexual exploitation of, of a child. and in fact actually child pornography charges. and that involved an individual named david daniel. and so that was the comparison she was making. what the justice department was trying to attempt to do was create a rule that would leave out child porn charges because they don't want those cases pardoned, but would

keep these weapons charges. the struggle there is that those those things were both found during those searches. right. so child porn was found on this individual's computer allegedly when they searched his home, the same sort of thing with the gun charge. >> so those are. >> a couple of examples. but if we take a step back, i know. >> there are other people who got. >> pardons for january 6th. >> but. >> are. >> now facing new legal trouble. you've been tracking this. >> who else stands out and where are they now? >> yeah. i mean, you know, you've had a lot of crimes that were committed by january 6th, defendants before and after. some people had really horrifying criminal records before the attack. and then a number of people have been arrested for crimes after the attack. so, you know, as one example, matt huddle was actually killed in a traffic. he pleaded guilty to that charge of entering or remaining on the restricted building or grounds in connection with the capitol. and then he was shot and killed during a traffic stop by an indiana sheriff's deputy. and then you had theodore middendorf, that's an individual who pleaded guilty to destruction of government property. and then he was accused of an act of sexual penetration by illinois prosecutors. and the state

records indicate that his victim was seven years old. and then andrew takaki, he's someone i followed pretty closely. this was an individual who assaulted officers with a metal whip at the capitol, and he was actually caught because a woman went on to bumble in the aftermath of the january 6th attack and started chatting up guys and got many of them to admit that they were at the capitol, got him to admit to being on the front lines. lo and behold, he was. he actually had a previous charge that involved, you know, a sex crime against, you know, soliciting a minor online that actually predated the january 6th attack itself. so he was subsequently then arrested on those state charges. but the struggle there was is that federal prosecutors, because of this pardon, had let him go. and then so texas authorities eventually had to find where he was on. >> a really. >> interesting ryan riley, thank you for your reporting. >> next here on ana cabrera reports, what california's governor is now. >> asking a. >> parole board. >> to. >> investigate about. >> the menendez. >> brothers. >> and their. >> and their. >> push it ain't my dad's razor, dad,

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>> approach. >> but now he's taken a significant next step, ordering the california board of. parole to launch an investigation into the brothers to determine what, if any, risk they pose to the public if released. >> it's the. >> latest step in the. >> menendez brothers bid for freedom. california governor gavin. newsom announcing on his new. podcast that he's calling for the state parole board to launch a risk assessment into eric and lyle menendez, the brothers who have been pushing to get out of prison, arguing they're rehabilitated men after spending 35 years behind bars for murdering their parents, jose and kitty, in their beverly hills home. >> the question. >> for the board is a. >> rather simple one. >> do eric and lyle menendez? do they pose a current what we call unreasonable. risk to public safety? >> the move. >> outlined in letters to the brothers attorney, is part of their appeal to the governor for clemency, one of three legal paths they're taking in an attempt to reduce their life sentences. >> there's no guarantee of outcome here. my office conducts dozens and dozens of these

clemency reviews on a consistent basis. >> still, family members. backing the. >> brothers, celebrating the announcement. >> i'm beyond. >> thrilled that the. governor is engaged. and. you know, here we go. >> could you cry? >> yes. >> for years, the brothers have argued they acted in self-defense after years of abuse by their father, something. >> lyle spoke. >> about in a recent interview on tmz two angry men podcast. >> i was the first person to testify. >> in front. >> of a national audience about male sexual abuse. i received. >> a lot of ridicule in the 90s about it, but i lost. >> a. lot of support. >> last week, the los angeles district attorney took a more critical view opposing the brothers request for a new trial. casting doubt on new evidence, they say, backs up their claims of abuse. >> is this credible evidence? we argue many in many different ways. it is not. credible evidence. >> but the d.a. >> still needs to weigh in soon. on their third path to freedom resentencing, which he tells us will take a broader view of the

case. what's the most important thing. >> you're looking. >> at as you make this decision about whether to recommend resentencing? >> we're going. >> to look at everything. >> i've already looked at trial evidence. we'll be looking at the rehabilitation. >> now. the da says that. >> also does. >> include weighing. >> the abuse allegations. >> as for the parole board. >> investigation, the governor says he wants that done in the next 90 days. >> that will include looking. >> at both eric and lao's prison. >> files and rehabilitation efforts. and i'm told, also speaking. >> directly to the. >> brothers themselves. >> the governor says he will send the findings of that assessment. >> to both the new da. >> and the judge overseeing. >> their sentencing. >> hearing, which is scheduled for next month. >> back to you. >> liz creutz, thanks. >> that does it for us today. thank you for joining us. i'll see you back here tomorrow. >> same time. >> same place. for now, i'm ana. >> cabrera, reporting from new york. >> jose diaz balart picks up our. >> coverage right now. >> good morning to you. it's 11 a.m. >> eastern, 8. >> a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz balart. we begin this