thing. >> you're looking. >> at as you make this decision about whether to recommend resentencing? >> we're going. >> to look at everything. >> i've already looked at trial evidence. we'll be looking at the rehabilitation. >> now. the da says that. >> also does. >> include weighing. >> the abuse allegations. >> as for the parole board. >> investigation, the governor says he wants that done in the next 90 days. >> that will include looking. >> at both eric and lao's prison. >> files and rehabilitation efforts. and i'm told, also speaking. >> directly to the. >> brothers themselves. >> the governor says he will send the findings of that assessment. >> to both the new da. >> and the judge overseeing. >> their sentencing. >> hearing, which is scheduled for next month. >> back to you. >> liz creutz, thanks. >> that does it for us today. thank you for joining us. i'll see you back here tomorrow. >> same time. >> same place. for now, i'm ana. >> cabrera, reporting from new york. >> jose diaz balart picks up our. >> coverage right now. >> good morning to you. it's 11 a.m. >> eastern, 8. >> a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz balart. we begin this hour with

breaking news. >> the search for. >> answers in the death of a hollywood legend. actor gene hackman, his wife, classical pianist betsy arakawa, and. their dog were found dead yesterday. at their. >> home in. >> new mexico. >> hackman was 95 years old. his wife was just 64 years old. authorities do. >> not suspect foul. >> play, but they have. >> launched an investigation. >> nbc's gadi. >> schwartz has a look. >> back. >> at gene. >> hackman's life. >> and legacy. >> reporter if the car chase scene in the french connection set the gold standard for all hollywood chases to follow, then it star gene hackman has come to define what a true actor is. >> armed with. >> the uncanny ability to vanish into any role, hackman drew from within to put nuance into all the tough guy roles he portrayed. >> i popeye's here. >> is that gun just. >> for show. a child of a broken home who lied about his age so he could join the marines. hackman worked many odd jobs, all to finance auditions. >> every day was. it was like. >> a new challenge. it was going

out and trying. >> to get that job. >> and trying to and. >> doing those auditions. >> and i. >> loved it. >> kicked out of the pasadena playhouse, it wasn't until hackman was 36, playing the simple minded buck barrow and bonnie and clyde. >> who. >> when hollywood took notice. soon after his tough as nails good cop popeye doyle in the french connection earned him his first oscar. >> the prestige involved with an. >> oscar means that you have. >> been in a couple of films that that have made. >> some money and that. >> they can take a chance on you. >> in hollywood, kept taking chances. are. won his second oscar for playing a bad cop in 1992. >> unforgiven misfire. >> but he felt the tough guy roles never really pushed him. >> we were. >> cast so close. >> to type in in. >> films that that. >> you can only do so. much within. >> your own persona. >> i hope you're hungry. >> i could eat a horse. >> radish. >> towards the end of his career, hackman found he preferred comedy for the challenge.

>> comedy is harder. >> because you. >> know it isn't arbitrary. >> if it if. >> it if they don't. >> laugh. >> it doesn't work. >> the problem. >> is always shrugging off the label of movie star. hackman remained an actor in his own words. >> i guess movie star is. >> robert. >> redford and paul newman. and kind. >> of. guys that. >> i idolized or visualized. >> when i was a real young guy. >> moving to santa fe. after retiring, hackman continued to work as a novelist, publishing his fifth book in 2013. always letting his actions speak for him. he's on the written page and the silver screen. gadi schwartz, nbc news, los angeles. >> and with us now to talk more about this. nbc news correspondent. >> stephanie gosk and shagun. >> olowu. >> an entertainment journalist. stephanie. >> what more do we know. >> about what. >> happened here? >> not a lot, actually. >> authorities are saying. that there is no foul play. >> involved. >> but they have not released a cause of death. and a local

paper says that the sheriff is pursuing a search warrant here. among the things they're going to be looking at, really, is the timeline that they've discovered the bodies on wednesday afternoon, but there is no indication yet as to when they actually died. and, you know, there are a lot of tributes pouring in for gene, gene hackman and lots of lots of people sharing their experiences with him. but you do still have it all shrouded in a bit of mystery here, >> yeah, and. >> i mean. >> hackman left. >> such an. >> extraordinary body. >> of work behind him. >> he absolutely did. >> and while the. >> mystery of his death. >> unravels. >> his life. on screen. >> was tremendous. >> i mean, we're. >> talking. >> about a career that spans over. >> six decades. >> if you wanted to laugh, he was a goofy. lex luther opposite christopher reeves in superman. >> if you wanted. >> to be inspired. he's the. high school. >> basketball coach that all high school basketball coaches based their. speeches off of coach dale in hoosiers. if you

wanted to laugh again, he was in the royal tenenbaums. if you wanted. >> award winning. >> performances. >> you had. >> the. >> french connection, you. had unforgiven. so this was, in my opinion, premium. haagen-dazs ice cream. he went with. >> everything, right? >> it didn't matter. you know, rocky road is an acquired taste. but but gene hackman, it didn't. if he was in. crimson tide opposite denzel washington, you were transfixed. if he was opposite. morgan freeman and in in a western with clint eastwood, you were transfixed. it didn't matter where you saw gene hackman. he went with everything. just like vanilla ice cream goes with peach. >> cobbler. >> chocolate cake. or whatever you like. >> yeah. >> i mean, it's. >> it's so. diverse in. >> so many ways. i mean, mississippi burning to. superman to the poseidon tragedy. >> i mean, there's. >> so many. what do you think his. >> legacy is? >> oh, his legacy is. >> a working actor. >> it his legacy is you keep.

putting in the time and people are going to notice. this is a man whose career didn't really get going until he was in his 30s. right? until he was opposite warren beatty, another. legend in bonnie and clyde. hollywood started to take notice. so for young actors out there, or anyone struggling in their profession. gene hackman was that every man, your next door neighbor who wasn't blessed with. the movie star? good looks of a george clooney. or an errol flynn or brad pitt or denzel washington. but he worked, and he left a legacy, and he won awards for what he did. so that is, to me what gene hackman stood for. again. >> like premium. >> haagen-dazs vanilla. >> ice cream. >> he goes with everything and you're made. >> better when. >> you have it. >> do you have a favorite. movie of his? >> well. >> i played high school basketball, and my favorite basketball coach growing up was

mark wayne at chantilly high school, and he copied the coach. dale. the baskets are ten feet high wherever we play. and that's how i that that's that's the best sports movie i've ever seen. hoosiers to me, is quintessential gene hackman on offbeat. if you really want something that wasn't that well, well thought of, the quick and the dead with sharon stone and a young leonardo dicaprio is good, campy fun. so whether you want to be inspired or you just want to look at something and say, how did gene hackman make this? he gave it to you. he gave it, he gave. he gave you everything you could hope for. >> stephanie, how. >> is hollywood in the world. >> reacting and remembering. >> hackman today? >> and i must ask. you what your favorite was. >> well, look, i mean, for someone my age, he's lex luther. he was always lex luther. he could be anyone but lex luther. but what you points out is that he was so remarkable at playing so many characters. and when you look back at the films, so many of them stand out among them.

the conversation, which was a movie that francis ford coppola directed and produced, and it's incredible. go back and watch it, even if it's just for the first shot of that movie and to watch him in it. but francis ford coppola today, sharing this message, the loss of a great artist always cause for both mourning and celebration. gene hackman, a great actor, inspiring and magnificent in his work and complexity. you know, as accomplished as he was, he was also prolific, and he worked from his 30s until his 70s, and he did more than 80 films, according to imdb. that means there were lots of years in there. jose, where he was doing multiple films a year. >> absolutely. hey, i. >> got to tell. >> you. >> hackman in. >> the birdcage. >> with with nathan lane. and. >> robin williams. >> i mean, the guy could just do it all. >> make us laugh. >> make us think. >> this is just. >> some.

>> of the greatest, funniest scenes. >> that's your favorite movie? that's your. >> favorite movie? >> i just i just think it's. >> you know. >> south beach in the. >> what is it, 80s or 90s? >> it's pretty similar. nathan lane, nathan lane. >> robin williams, he look crimson tide opposite denzel washington. the list is endless. >> thank you so much stephanie gosk and shagun olowu really appreciate it. >> up next. >> we're going to of course, look into the very latest in washington. the supreme court. >> is actually. >> ruling out president trump's efforts. >> to make. >> massive cuts to. >> the federal workforce. as a matter of fact, some of the. court cases. >> that tried. >> to stop. >> the president's work in those reaction by the supreme court and details. >> of course. >> about a critical new deal. >> between the. >> us and ukraine.

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court issued an order last. night pausing a lower court order requiring the trump administration to release. >> frozen foreign. >> aid funding by a midnight deadline. the trump administration's efforts to shrink the. government aren't slowing down. the white house instructed federal agencies to prepare for more mass layoffs. >> joining us now. >> nbc white house correspondent aaron. >> gilchrist and. >> former republican governor. >> from ohio. >> john kasich. >> he is an msnbc. >> political analyst. >> so. >> aaron. >> how's the white. >> house reacting to this. >> latest supreme court order? >> well. >> jose, this is exactly the order that the white house wanted to see as it's been undertaking these efforts to really cut spending as it relates to the foreign aid dollars. that was something that was taken, undertaken very early on. the administration put a hold on that. we saw aid organizations go to the courts and say that they were going to suffer irreparably. in some cases, if this money flow were to stop. and the lower courts asked that told the administration they needed to

reinstate some of this funding to keep these organizations solvent. there was a complaint that the administration ignored the court order, and now it all seems a bit of a moot point. jose, i think it's worth pointing out that the administration now says that it's reviewed all of the foreign aid that was being sent out from usaid, from the state department. and at this point, they've identified 15,000 grants totaling $60 billion for elimination. now, this supreme court order says that they could continue that freeze on dollars. while there was an ask for the plaintiffs in this case to submit paperwork to the supreme court by tomorrow, midday. now, it seems as though, jose, the administration has decided exactly which programs which grants it wants to get rid of altogether. and so we'll see if there's more that the supreme court has to say about this, given this new reality from the state department. >> darren. >> so just give us give us. sorry, sorry to interrupt, but just those numbers again. >> it's 15,000.

>> grants identified that are going to be cut. and the total savings just on. that is how. >> much in the neighborhood of $60 billion. jose. >> and aaron. so the efforts of the white house. continue to shrink the federal workforce in other ways and through. >> other aspects. what does that. >> look like. >> well jose, we saw this memo from the office of personnel management and management and budget that came out yesterday, and we've been going through it. and this is basically the blueprint for federal agencies to comply with executive orders that had already been signed around a reduction in force, meaning shrinking the workforce of the federal government and the directive to reorganize agencies. the those two offices are telling the department heads that these are the things you need to do in order to meet the president's expectations, and that means that they're in this phase one where these agencies need to submit their plans by in about two weeks time. the focus is supposed to be on initial

cuts and initial reductions, with the idea being that there would be a maximum elimination of functions not required by law. that's the language in this memo. and so that means that you're going to start to see huge numbers from each of the federal agencies, and huge numbers of employees being targeted for cuts over the next couple of months. the second phase of this effort is supposed to be one that looks at how to make these agencies more productive going forward. they'll have until mid-april to submit that part of their plans. and jose, in that case, we understand the expectation is that they're going to look at every person who's working in these agencies, their job descriptions, their performance reviews, and making decisions about who can go, what positions really aren't necessary to the mission of the federal government. they're also going to have to look at jose, the physical plant, the real estate that the federal government owns and whether some of that needs to go away, particularly here in washington, moving headquarters potentially to other cheaper

parts of the country. >> john, just your thoughts. >> on this. i mean. >> and first, let's focus on this supreme court order. >> what does that. >> mean in real terms for the trump administration's efforts? and just when we hear aaron just talk about just. how broad this attempt is and it's going to be. going forward, it's not just like aa1 off. >> well. >> it seems to me, jose, as we as we look at this. >> whole landscape here, john roberts, the. >> chief justice of the supreme. >> court. >> and i happen to. >> think amy coney. >> barrett are probably. >> two crucial. >> people on that court who. >> are going to decide what is the. >> power of the executive branch and what is not. and i got. >> to. tell you. >> jose. >> the congress. >> of the united. states has abandoned their authority, and they have. >> done it not just today, but they have. >> done. it over time. >> so the. >> in a vacuum, the executive.

just has been able to fill. >> you know, fill. >> the power there. >> and the administration. >> is the first one. >> that's taken advantage. >> of it. >> as to how far. >> they can go and what are. >> the rights of the congress. >> that's going to be. >> something this court's going to decide. >> and i hope. >> that the congress is going to get some of its power back. >> but. >> jose, you tell me how they're going to get their power back when they you can't hear a peep out of. >> them on anything except when. >> they go to a town. >> hall and. somebody yells at them. now, at. >> the same time, i say all that, jose, look i faced, you. >> know. >> we i was the chairman of balance, the federal budget. i did. >> it in. >> ohio when. >> we were running. >> massive deficits, but we did not fix. >> it by just firing people. >> we did it through buyouts and we did it. >> through when. >> people left. when they retired, we didn't. >> fill the position. >> the idea. >> of just going. >> in and. firing all these people, i. >> just i'm not convinced that's. >> the. >> right way to do things. >> plus it creates. >> morale problems. it also. >> puts people. in a very

difficult position. >> to go home and tell their family they lost their jobs. >> but the idea of having the cabinet members who are in a. >> position to. >> be able to analyze the operation of their, of their. agency and to come up with ways to save money, i'm all for because we. >> can't continue. >> to add trillions, even though it looks as though this these budget resolutions are going to add trillions at the same time we need we need more efficiency. but i like. >> it to come from the. >> bottom up. these people. >> in the government, many of them, they are. committed to doing a good job. >> and they. >> want to see greater efficiency inside their operation. it's just not people on the outside who are yelling at them. >> yeah. and i mean, you know, interesting. you were talking about chief justice roberts and his role and. >> you know, responsibilities. >> it's massive. reminded me of what his role was in. >> the aca. >> you know, i mean, he was. really the key voice in many

ways on. >> on the decisions. >> about. >> you know, obamacare. >> and john. >> i'm just wondering and, you know. >> we saw yesterday that the president, chief of staff, siouxsie wiles, met with senate republicans. >> to talk about. >> these kinds. >> of issues. elon musk's efforts with doge. >> here's how senator tommy tuberville reacted. >> to some of. >> those cuts. >> everybody's concerned when you have. people coming out of your. >> state. >> but we all. >> understand it's that's. >> just part of it. you know, we're way over bloated. we got to cut. >> back. >> you know. >> who do you think john is politically winning this debate so far? >> i think that people in this. country are. saying shake. >> it up. >> and they. >> have. >> not gotten to the point yet where they look specifically at a program and say, that went. >> too far. >> for example. >> the foreign. >> aid program. >> that is. delivering care for. >> people who are, you. >> know, on the edge of death. the antifa program, those.

>> kinds of. >> things that are saving lives in africa. those are. >> programs that we should not be eliminating. >> those are. >> crucial not only from. >> a humanitarian point of view, but also from. >> a foreign. >> policy point. >> of view. >> when we do good. >> things, people. >> see us and they like us, and we're not buying their favor. >> it's just the right. >> thing to do. at the. >> same time. >> you know, jose, there's. been a lot of talk about medicaid, and i can tell. >> you that providers. >> in the medicaid program. sometimes they. >> get their. >> snouts in the trough. that means we can reduce the growth of medicaid without hurting people if we do it the right way, if we just. >> go. >> in and chop people. that is not the right way to do it. but we have to deal with this, with this national debt, because your children and grandchildren will pay the price if we do not. >> aaron gilchrist and former governor john kasich, thank you both so very much. >> up next, breaking. developments from washington. >> we've got the. pentagon's new policy. >> on transgender. service members, plus. >> what the british prime

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that president zelensky has said he hopes will lead to further deals. just to give some context here, ukraine has some important elements in minerals like titanium and lithium. they've got a substantial amount of gas, oil and coal, which is said to be worth billions and billions of dollars. now the deal essentially lays out a framework for a joint investment in future mining of those minerals in which 50% of the revenue will be put into a shared fund. now, the financial times is reporting that the ukrainians agreed to this deal after the us dropped some of the controversial elements, including that demand that ukraine compensate the united states some $500 billion. but here's the thing. ukraine has said several times that there's no deal without security guarantees. and president trump, of course, said yesterday at his cabinet meeting that the us is not going to make security guarantees beyond very much, he said, adding that the presence of american workers on ukrainian soil would provide automatic security if a minerals deal is signed tomorrow. we've heard

from french president emmanuel macron this week he's pushing for a european peacekeeping force to be deployed to ukraine, with the united states providing a backstop to further deter russia. of course, this is something that we're expecting prime minister starmer to discuss today with trump. but russia has said that having european or any foreign peacekeepers in ukraine is a red line. so, look, you know, there has been some progress here, but there's certainly a lot that needs to be discussed and worked out before we see any sort of end to this war in ukraine. jose. >> megan fitzgerald in london, thank you so very much. hey, rick, i know you've got such a depth of experience and certainly knowledge it is. is this like minerals deal something that you can recall ever happening in recent history? i mean, how do you see this deal? >> i joseph. >> good to be with you. >> well. >> you know, i see it a little bit like.

>> the famous. >> perfect phone call that. >> trump had with zelensky. >> during his first term. >> which he was impeached. >> for. >> where he was. >> basically saying in exchange. >> for our. continued support. >> could you find. >> your way to. >> investigate joe biden? >> he's twisting. >> zelensky's arm. >> and it's not. >> a i mean, he. >> loves talking. >> about deals. >> it's more. >> like. >> a memorandum. >> of understanding. >> that zelensky. >> feels pressured in. >> order to keep us. >> support in his war. >> against russia. >> that he has. >> to give. >> america access. to these. >> rare earth. >> minerals. >> which your correspondent mentioned. >> ukraine has. >> a. >> lot of. >> titanium. >> cobalt, lithium. >> and that's. >> the precedent. >> for it. >> you know, if i might add a point. >> an editorial point. >> to this. >> in relation to the last. >> story, part of the reason we're doing this. >> and that joe biden. >> tried to do. >> this, too, is that china. >> has a corner on the. >> market of these. >> rare earth minerals. >> they're of the top 50. >> they have they they own.

access to something. >> like. >> 29% of the. >> 29 of them. >> you know how. >> that came about. >> foreign aid. >> they give. >> foreign aid to. >> countries that have. >> rare. >> earth minerals. >> and in exchange. >> they. >> get access. >> to them. that's how shortsighted. our policy is. >> about discontinuing foreign aid. >> so i. >> just wanted to. >> make. >> that little. >> editorial point. >> yeah. i mean, but the creation of what seems to be a joint venture between the united states and ukraine to split 50, 50% of some of those profits from these extraordinarily rare minerals, it seems like it's, you know, however you want to define it, it's still something that is really unusual in, i guess, american diplomatic history. >> yes. i mean. >> as we've talked about before. >> jose. >> president trump. >> is a transactionalist. i'm not even sure that's a word. he wants. >> to get. >> something in every deal.

>> he's also. >> a. >> mercantilist. >> which is. >> a word that comes. >> back from the from. >> the 19th century where he feels. like you. >> have. >> to dominate your adversary, your opponent, even your ally. >> and so. >> again, i would argue that these are very short term things. i think it is. >> important that the us has. >> access to rare. >> earth minerals, splitting. >> the. >> revenue seems. >> again. like a short sighted thing. >> the us. >> has ability. >> to mine. those minerals. >> to help ukraine mine. >> those minerals. >> obviously ukraine has been spending every. >> dollar they. >> have on. weapons trying to fight russia. they haven't. been doing the kinds of things that can mine those minerals. so let's. >> get. >> a peace deal. >> let's get. >> some kind of. >> agreement and. and. >> put that all behind us. >> mercantile power, not denmark in the 1600s. who knew we were going to be talking about the united states in 2025? rick stengel, thank you, my friend. it's always a pleasure to see you. >> thanks. >> thank you. still ahead, we'll take you behind the historic backlog of immigration cases.

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export oil to the us. oil exports are a financial lifeline for the maduro regime. chevron producing about 220,000 barrels of oil in venezuela every day. joining us now, ryan berg, director of the americas program at the center for strategic and international studies. ryan, thank you very much for being with us today. you study venezuela. how significant is president trump's decision? >> well, thanks. >> for having me on, jose. >> this decision cannot. >> be underestimated. it's very significant. you said. >> it yourself. in the opening. chevron produces well over. 200,000 barrels. of oil. >> per day. >> in venezuela, on average, the country only produces about 850. >> to 950,000 barrels of oil per day. >> depending upon. >> the month that you're looking at. and so this is 20 to 25% of venezuela's overall production. >> so much so that venezuelan economists were starting to. >> refer last year to. >> chevron in. >> spanish, or the chevron effect, how chevron is actually

revitalizing our oil industry and therefore our economy, with its partnerships with pdvsa, the state owned venezuelan enterprise. so this is very, very significant that. >> the trump administration. >> is deciding to. >> end gl 41, which. >> is the license that gives. >> chevron the ability to operate in venezuela. >> ryan, how important is. >> it. >> for the survival of the regime of the maduro regime to have this pipeline into the united states? >> again, very significant. >> jose. the regime has. >> two main. >> sources of revenue. >> one is on the licit. >> side and the other is on the illicit side. on the illicit side, we've heard tons about the illegal. >> gold mining and. >> obviously drug trafficking, and that will continue. but on the licit side, venezuela is a petro state. well north of 90% of venezuela's gdp, is. tied up. >> into. >> its oil industry. and chevron was really the company that was driving much of that production increase forward every. this license was put in place in 2022. chevron and

venezuela's oil economy has grown by over 10% this year. the estimates in january say were around 17%. and again, this was majority based on chevron's expectation that it was going to be able to increase production. so cannot underestimate the significance of this to the regime's financial lifeline and its ability to stay in power through that financial lifeline. >> and support other regimes in the area, including, of course, its primary client, cuba. the regime there that has been in power for 64 years plus. ryan, can you explain to us how is it that a country, venezuela that has the largest oil reserves in the world, still has an economy that is in shambles, and you have millions of people that have left that country over the last 20 years, leaving what is a very dire situation. can you explain to us that dichotomy?

>> well. >> it's a long story, jose, but it basically boils down to bad economic policies, expropriations, poor private property rights, and classic case of populism where the state took over certain industries and used a lot of those those state owned industries as slush funds to fund personal projects and other types of, of social programs, to the point where venezuela's production, which was at well over 3 million barrels of oil per day when hugo chavez took power in 1998, was already down in the 1 million oil production production per day range when maduro took over, and is now well south of that. so when you have so much of your economy tied up into the oil industry, and the oil industry is not doing well overall, you're simply not going to have enough money to sustain some of these programs that were being expanded. and as i mentioned previously, what was given, what was produced in its place was basically illicit sources of revenue. the regime going into

things like drug trafficking and, and gold mining and a whole host of other unsavory things. >> ryan berg, i thank you very much for being with us this morning. appreciate your time. we are learning new details about the trump administration's decision to launch a registry for all people living in the u.s. without documents, the department of homeland security says all undocumented people aged 14 and older must register and provide their address and give their fingerprints. those that do not comply could face criminal or financial penalties. joining us now, alan orr, an immigration attorney and past president of the american immigration lawyers association. alan, thanks for being with us. can you explain to us what exactly is this registry? >> so it's a flawed. >> expensive. >> bureaucratic system. >> that's really. >> made to. >> target rather than to protect. >> it started. >> in 1952. >> it has. >> phased in and out. >> it was. >> phased in during nine over.

>> 11 and then phased out. >> again. >> because it's. >> expensive and really led to no results in national security. so as we've even seen from the national. >> registry, they. >> don't know how they're going to. >> roll it out. there's no announcement. >> exactly how people. >> are going to. >> register and how they're going to be able. >> to capture so many fingerprints and at what cost. >> that is to. >> the american public. so this is just what another smoke screen. >> to say. >> be fearful. >> that we're. >> coming for you and. >> be fearful of. >> what's required for you to provide. >> and so, alan, when they say this is what is required of you, who has to enroll in this registry and how would they do it? and what do you say to the millions of mixed immigration status families that live in our country? and that may be seeing this with, as you say, deep fear? what do you say to them who needs to do this? and is this something that carries the full weight of the law? >> so it does carry the full weight of. >> the law. after it's administered. >> but of course, also being here undocumented. >> is a civil.

>> penalty that. >> also carries the. >> full weight. >> of the law. >> that has criminal and civil penalties. attached to it. >> so we need to wait and see how it actually. >> comes out. this applies to everyone who is undocumented in the. united states, who has. >> not received. >> some type. >> of status, including. >> those in daca. >> who don't have an ead, or someone who came in tps, who doesn't have any de or a minor of a mixed family who is undocumented. that becomes 14. >> during the time. >> of this sort of operation. >> of. this registry. we think the registry will be. >> challenged in court because as you can imagine, there going to be a lot of. >> civil. >> rights violations. >> that have occurred. >> with all of these. >> kind of terry. >> stops and stop and. >> frisk, because it's going to be. >> respectful by race. >> that's what we've seen the sort of implementation of it is. >> so watch. >> for the ways that they're going to require you to register. >> and we hope that they will give. >> this in many different languages. >> sort of publishing something. >> in the federal register. >> is not going to alert 11 million. >> individuals of their. >> time to have to do something that has not been in effect from before 1952. >> so it really. >> harkens back. >> to. >> a hard. >> time in our country before our civil rights. >> that. was not a good time for people of. >> color or for immigrants in this country.

>> and really might. >> be overturned in court. >> and, alan, what about the folks that have been paying their taxes through the thing and who say, well, i've been a part of it, even though i don't have documents? is there anything that differentiates those people because they have been participating through eating? >> it is. unfortunate that even in when we see. >> these recent deportations, that they're capturing a lot of people. >> who. >> are here undocumented, that have been in the system paying taxes and working. >> here. >> doing the best they. >> can. >> waiting for some. >> relief under our system. >> so no, they're not protected. it actually makes. >> them sitting targets. this is just making people register so that we will know their addresses and where they are to pick them up. >> why are there no assurances that if. >> you have been here for some. >> time, 7 or 10. >> years, that ice is not going to come and collect you, that they're not going to come and get grandma, as we've seen them do in chicago. and other places, that that's. >> not the best use of taxpayer money. >> and it does. >> not lead to national security. >> it's important for everybody to get information and support from attorneys throughout this

country. alan, or i thank you very much. really appreciate it. thank you for having me. meanwhile, the us currently has a backlog of more than 3.5 million pending immigration cases here in florida. the case backlog is the highest of any state in the us. joining us now, hatzel vela, politics reporter with nbc affiliate wtvj in miami. it's good to see you. you've been focused on florida's backlog of cases. how bad is it? >> well, first of all, thank. >> you so. >> much for having. >> us because we know. >> this is. >> a problem that's not just. >> affecting florida. >> it's also. >> affecting the. entire country. >> simply the numbers are astounding. just here in florida, there are more. >> than half. >> a. >> million cases pending. in immigration courts. >> many of those people are living. >> right. here in. >> south florida, including. >> a. >> man, by. >> the. >> way, who fled. >> cuba because. >> of. political persecution. >> and has. >> been waiting. >> years to. >> see a judge.

>> may 11th, 2019. >> all eyes on cuba. gay rights advocates and allies marched down havana's famous prado avenue. oscar castaneda, a cancer. researcher and professor at the university of. >> havana, was there. >> and cameras captured as secret police in plain clothing take him away. >> on physical. >> describes it as a violent attack. >> evidenced by. >> the wound. >> on his forehead. because of this and. >> years of anti-government activism. >> castaneda decided. >> to flee cuba. >> in 2022. >> he says he. >> arrived at the southern border. >> with his pregnant wife and. >> four year old son. >> a month later. oscar says he applied for political asylum. but it's been three years, and he says he. >> still has not. >> seen an immigration judge. >> it doesn't surprise. >> me that the number. >> of judges. >> that we have. >> can't have. >> enough hours of the day to deal with. >> the population.

>> florida is ground. >> zero when it comes. >> to the backlog in immigration courts. >> researchers who tracked. >> court data show as of december of. >> 2024. florida had more than half a million. >> cases pending. followed by texas. and california. >> there are not. >> enough immigration. >> judges to be adjudicating all of. >> these cases. >> kathleen bush. >> joseph has. >> studied the courts at the nonpartisan migration policy institute. >> she says the massive backlog means people who deserve asylum protection wait years to receive it, while others who are not eligible are allowed to remain in the country longer. >> the u.s. >> immigration system. >> in general. >> is extremely. >> outdated, overwhelmed and under-resourced. >> nationwide. >> there are more than 3.5 million cases pending. james fujimoto was a u.s. immigration judge for decades. >> essentially, it's charging each immigration judge with 4 or 5000 cases. >> a bipartisan immigration reform bill, which included.

>> hiring more judges, failed. >> last summer after president trump urged republicans in. >> congress to oppose it. and since. >> he took. >> office, more than a dozen. >> immigration judges were fired. a 2023 congressional. >> research service report found even if 700 more judges were hired. >> roughly double. >> the. >> current number, it would still take ten years to clear the. >> backlog. >> sonia tells us. >> this legal limbo. >> creates anxiety, uncertainty and stress. given what happened to him in cuba, he could never go back. he's arguably less. >> and so. >> jose. >> the. >> union that represents these immigration judges, says. firing judges doesn't make any sense given the number of cases pending in the courts. so, of course, we asked the white house and the department of justice about the plans and the decision to fire the judges. so far, they haven't responded to our questions, but you bet we're going to stay on this story for the months and years to come.

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