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now. >> good day. noon eastern, 9 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart, fresh off his first cabinet meeting, president trump is ordering deeper government cuts with another round of mass layoffs hanging over the heads of federal workers agency. heads have two weeks to come up with a plan for large scale reductions, with another phase due just in a couple of weeks after that. the white house wants full implementation by the end of the summer. the order puts more control in the hands of agency heads, who were caught off guard by the doge. five accomplishments email the supreme court, now weighing in on billions in frozen u.s. aid funds. last night, the chief justice siding with the president, temporarily blocking a lower court order to release that money. that foreign aid is part of a larger package which has been paused already, hitting u.s. farmers who grow 41% of the food, which usaid buys and then

distributes it all around the world. it comes as a staffing cuts at usaid. military veterans are among those most impacted. >> i have not been. >> able to receive my separation packet, and that means that i can't file for unemployment. it's just it's not right. it shouldn't happen this way. >> i'm a fifth. >> generation farmer. >> i don't care what side of the aisle you're on. we need to come together and to make something that's. >> resilient for the future. >> and that will help. >> help everybody. >> in washington today, some fired usaid workers got 15 minutes to clear out their desks. supporters were there standing along with them, greeting the dismissed workers and cheering them on, also giving them some words of support. >> we're here to just to provide them some. emotional support and say thank. >> you. >> for. >> your service. they've been trusted public servants for decades, and all of a sudden they're no longer trusted employees. >> powerful, evil men. >> are politically. >> targeting a lot. >> of. good people.

>> who have. >> dedicated their lives to something. >> bigger than themselves. they're treating us like. >> the enemy. >> they have. >> been for months. >> we begin with nbc news white house correspondent aaron gilchrist, also with us, usa today washington bureau chief susan page and former u.s. attorney harry litman, host of the talking feds podcast. so, aaron, as we await the arrival of the british prime minister to the white house, catch us up on the latest with doge. and also these issues of the tariffs for mexico and canada and china. >> yeah, let's start with the tariffs. we know that president trump went to his social media site this morning and said that the tariffs that were announced a little over a month ago against canada and mexico and china will be going into effect next week on march 4th, he said in that post on social media. if we back up a little bit, you'll remember that the president said that there were deep concerns about the flow of illicit drugs over the canadian border, over the mexican border. and because

of that, he wanted to institute a 25% tariff, an import tax on mexico and canada, until they did more to stop the flow of drugs across the border. both countries had conversations with the white house. they seem to come to some agreement about things that they would do, increases in the efforts to stop the flow of drugs. the white house said, all right, we'll we'll pause these tariffs for a month to see if this actually works. and now it seems as though the president is not satisfied with what's been done. and those tariffs will go into effect next week. there will also be an additional 10% tariff on top of the 10% tariff that was posted put on china at the beginning of this month. that will also go into effect next month as well. as far as doge goes, we are seeing more efforts now by elon musk and his team and really other federal agencies to start doing more of this cutting of the federal government. a memo went out yesterday to agency heads saying that they needed to now put down on paper exactly what their

plans are to shrink the federal workforce, to further cut the number of jobs that are being that are held in the federal government right now. and they needed to plan for a large reduction in force, is the term that was used in this memo. and then that memo goes through and actually lays out in very clear details exactly what the agencies are expected to do to reduce those numbers, whether it's through attrition, whether it's through looking at job descriptions and people and seeing if people are actually meeting those job descriptions, if their performance reviews are up to par. the other part of this is all expected to be executed by the end of the summer. as you said, is looking at the federal government's physical footprint. the buildings that are used by the federal government, and making sure that that is efficient and effective, and that if that means closing some offices, closing some buildings, particularly here in washington, d.c, that is something that needs to be included in the planning that is now going to be due to the office of personnel management and the office of management and budget at the

white house. jose. >> yeah. aaron. i mean, so much to kind of ponder, i mean, since the president announced these 25% tariffs, you know, kicking in shortly, i mean, canada has done some things. but but president claudia sheinbaum of mexico has sent her foreign minister and emissaries to washington. they have been discussing issues. the president of mexico sending some additional troops, not only to the area of the northern border with the united states, but also the suchiate river in the south. there have been i mean, there's a massive gun battle going on between some cartels in parts of mexico, but it just seems as though the president of the united states considers that all of that is not enough. >> you're right. that seems to be where we are. those 10,000 troops that were sent to the mexican border with the united states seem to be enough. at the

beginning of february, the idea that the canadians were going to send additional personnel and technology to their southern border with the united states to try to stem the flow of these illicit drugs, also seemed as though it were going it was going to be enough. and then, as you noted, there were going to be additional negotiations with teams from both countries with counterparts here in the us to try to make sure that they were planning in a way that was going to meet the expectations of president trump. but in this post, again, on his social media site, it seems as though he's come to the conclusion that those two countries did not do enough. china has not done enough. and so now they will see these import taxes, these tariffs that likely will affect american consumers at some point. jose. >> yeah. and susan so let's focus in a little bit on that first cabinet meeting of president trump. yesterday. musk was asked there about reported tensions between him and members of the cabinet. the president stepped in. here's how that went. we'll let the cabinet

speak just for a second. very unhappy. >> to say it. you know, if. >> you are, will throw them out. >> of here. >> anybody unhappy? >> they are. >> they have a lot of respect for elon and that he's doing this. and some disagree a little bit. but i will tell you, for the most part, i think everyone's not only happy, they're thrilled. so, susan, i mean, there was it was like a light hearted moment there, like as if someone is going to say, yeah, but how do you see that? >> well, you know. >> the cabinet members seated on. either side of donald trump have expressed. >> their displeasure with. with elon musk by telling. >> their employees not to. >> respond to that email. >> that. >> said. >> tell me five. >> things that you achieved. >> last week. >> so clearly, there is tension in the cabinet. >> and differences. >> in the cabinet, but it. >> would. >> take someone. >> with without the. >> political instincts.

>> that these cabinet members. have to have spoken up in that forum. with the president endorsing. >> musk and musk being. >> basically the number two. >> guy in. >> the room. you know, he's. >> a guy who spoke. >> the most during that cabinet meeting, save anyone. >> except. >> the president himself. >> yeah. >> and harry, the administration making an emergency appeal to the supreme court about that. us aid funding briefs are due tomorrow as the court decides what to do next. but what is this initial temporary white house win indicate to you? >> you know. >> not a lot, jose. >> all it. >> indicates. >> i think, is. >> that chief justice. >> roberts, who's. >> the. >> guy in. charge of this particular court when. >> emergency appeals. >> come up, wants to give the. >> court a day or two. >> and some written. briefs to decide. now, this order was first entered by the district court two weeks ago. >> and as. >> best tell, they didn't. really do anything. >> to respond at all.

>> then the district court. >> brought the hammer. >> down and said immediately, pay. up what. >> you had already. >> been obligated. >> to. >> pay when you pulled. the plug. and the administration's response is, oh, that's just going to. take weeks and weeks. >> it's an. >> emergency and we're just. >> not able to. >> do it. it's that claim. that is now in front of the supreme court. do they honor the district court's order? >> and all. >> roberts is done is give a little bit of breathing room. it's already very accelerated. but for his colleagues. >> to. >> consider the claim of. >> having to. respond immediately. >> so, harry, if you would just kind of describe to us now so that that's like an immediate you said it perfectly. i mean, it's so it's wait, put a pause on this. i got to get everybody else here to take this up and decide what's that process like and what is even an expedited, expedited fashion. what's the timing on that? >> all right. two things are

happening. and in. very fast fashion, jose, we will hear from the court to just say what the district court said in terms of do this partial compliance right. >> away, either. >> that's okay or it's not. that's just a matter of a temporary reprieve at best. but hovering over this is the very big issue of whether the administration legitimately just pulled the plug on usaid. all the funds that already had been appropriated by congress, the court conceivably could take up that issue. and if they did, it would be the harbinger of a possible very big victory or loss, depending on what they do for the president. so that's the big substantive issue that lurks in the background. and it's up to the court whether to do this small procedural thing. yes. do it. yes. not here's another week or the big, big question, as they've done in other settings, of just saying congress

appropriated the money, but we're not going to do anything with it anyway. >> so susan, meanwhile, and there's been some talk, i mean, at the at the cabinet meeting and elsewhere, the president talking about his plan to sell gold cards, a pathway to citizenship in the united states for $5 million apiece. here's what the president said would kind of some of that would look like. if we sell 10 million, which is possible, 10 million highly productive people coming in or people that were going to make productive. they'll be young, but they're talented, like a talented athlete. that's $50 million. that means our debt is totally paid off, and we have $15 trillion above that. you know, it's is it different than obviously the numbers are different, but is it different, susan, to what we've seen, for

example, all throughout europe where, you know, places like portugal, say, if you've got used to say they change that, but if you've got 300 grand and you put 300 grand into a house and create jobs in portugal, you can have a pathway to citizenship there spain, italy, etc. is it different than that? >> no. >> it's. >> the same idea. >> and the. >> experience in europe. >> has been, i think. >> i think mixed some of the places, some. >> of the european. >> countries that have. >> adopted this kind of. >> pay to play. >> visa process have. abolished it because of concerns. >> about the. >> impact on local citizens, because. >> of concerns. about opening the door to. >> money laundering and other criminal enterprises. >> but it is a. >> way. >> for a. >> country to. >> raise money. >> it's one, you know, it's. >> a you can. like it or not. we've actually. >> already had. a have. >> a. visa program. >> that allows. >> wealthy people to. make investments in the united. >> states and speed. >> up the process. >> this is. more money involved in getting this gold card.

>> i wonder if. >> it's. >> actually going to be gold. that would be. >> that would be kind of interesting. like the. >> credit cards. >> that come in different colors. >> but anyway. >> so this is not something that is unique in. >> the world. >> although the. >> world would have some. >> maybe lessons. >> to. >> learn about. >> how to. make it work. >> well. >> yeah, i mean, it certainly is a mixed bag for, for a lot of european countries, but a lot of european countries keep it. they raise their rates sometimes, you know, look what's going on. malta and spain is closing down a lot of aspects of it, but there are a lot of them that continue to do that. aaron gilchrist, susan page, harry lippman, thank you very much. next, as the uk prime minister meets with president trump at the white house this hour, we'll take a closer look at the power shifts around the transatlantic alliances, especially when it comes to ukraine. and later, a top health official from texas on the measles outbreak that has now claimed the life of an unvaccinated child. and as tributes pour in for hollywood legend gene hackman, we'll check in on the investigation into the

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week, prime minister starmer touted the fact that britain is increasing its defense spending more than the 2% commitment made by nato countries. his meeting with donald trump, just days after president macron of france came to the white house, a day before tomorrow's expected visit by president zelensky of ukraine, all three leaders doing a kind of charm offensive of sorts. joining us now, michael allen, a former senior national security council advisor to president george w bush. michael, it's great seeing you just listening to the prime minister yesterday, referring to president trump. take a listen to this. my message is we want to work with you. we want to welcome you to britain. we want a new partnership because our history shows that when. >> we work. >> together, great things happen. >> how much. >> i guess sway, do you think europe uk has over president

trump? you know, we saw macron there and there was like this back and forth on who's got the strongest nicest handshake. and then it seems as though as this goes on michael, we're seeing that the president of the united states has been having emissaries meet with russian emissaries, but not in europe. today was in turkey, but in saudi arabia. >> right. well, i think that the. eu leaders and the uk. >> leader coming today have some impact on donald trump. it may not be decisive, however, because president trump is. calling his own. >> plays. >> very much wants to try. >> to. >> get along with what we might. >> call. >> the great powers russia and china. he's even tried to get a. >> deal with a lesser power. >> and like iran. >> but i. think it's. >> great that. >> they're visiting. i think

it's great that prime minister starmer announced that they want to. up their military spending to 2.5% of gdp. i think it's terrific if. he repeats that the. >> uk and probably. >> france are willing to deploy troops, peacekeeping troops, that is, to ukraine. as part of a security assurance final settlement. if there is indeed a ceasefire or a peace deal. so i think as long as the europeans are throwing out ideas and seeming to come to the table, it's a good thing. and helpful in terms of persuading donald trump which way to go. >> yeah, it's interesting because and i keep thinking, is there a new access of influence kind of emerging as the president of the united states clearly is not only willing but but very eager. it seems to reestablish communication with the russian leader. but but then

also, you know, there it's more than just symbolic that the first meeting that the administration has with the russians is carried out in riyadh with the foreign minister of saudi arabia in that table. and then today, you know, turkey, which has a totally different relationship within the european union, right? i mean, it is, after all, the border between europe and asia. but it just it seems as though europe for the, for the president of the united states has lost its significant weight. >> i think. >> that's right. >> and i think that's indicative of a larger conversation that the europeans have been having, at least since the russian invasion of ukraine. they're saying to themselves that and acknowledging even that they've underspent badly on military spending. the germans have even had to face a reckoning about

their oil and gas imports from russia. so i do think that they're in the middle of a dramatic change and a dramatic reconception of european security. and as long as they continue to move to a position of taking more ownership of what they do, i think they can sort of earn their way back into. us military and strategic planning, at least in not just in europe, but even around the globe, because i think what donald trump at the end of the day, and we all know this from his first term and beyond, very much sees things in terms of are our allies pitching in, or are they just free riding on the united states? and if it's just a free riding situation that's going to irritate the president and he's going to do something about it. >> yeah. >> and then the whole issue, for example, bringing that part of your conversation into what's going to happen tomorrow, right? i mean, this rare earth minerals

deal that the us and ukraine are supposedly signing tomorrow when zelensky visits the president in, in the white house. i mean, this is how unusual is a, you know, joint venture agreement going forward based on what the united states gave a country in military and social assistance. >> well, it's quite unusual, although i can think of a couple of historical parallels, at least. you know, in the run up to world war two, i remember fdr traded about 50 obsolete destroyers to the british in exchange for some islands in the western hemisphere. so some of this has happened in the past. i get that people are calling it coldly exploitative, but i think that if you support ukraine and you want ukraine to get additional equipment from the united states, it's good if donald trump can explain to the people, just as fdr had to

explain to the people, that it's not just the united states giving things without anything in return, that there is a strategic minerals deal, that over time can benefit the united states, not just financially, but of course, actually using and diversifying our supplies to critical minerals, which we need for all sorts of national security reasons. so at the end of the day, look, this is a win win. ukraine can say that the economic superpower of the world is made a huge anchor investment in ukraine. they'll probably have a gold rush effect over there, by the way, with others saying if the united states is in there, we want to get in there too. so ultimately, i do honestly believe it is a good situation for ukraine and a good situation for the united states. >> but the only way that anything like that could be a reality is if there is no russian invasion into ukraine.

we're coming into the fourth year, you know, i mean, it's that prospect and how any resolving of that war, you know, what it could mean? because it seems as though what any peace agreement would include for ukraine could very well determine how foreign investors in the future see ukraine. >> you're exactly right. they're not going to go in unless there's some measure of security assurances that the west have issued to ukraine. i'm hopeful, and i don't know if putin will ultimately agree to this and final status negotiations, if you will. but i'm hopeful that if the europeans can be the peacekeeping force and the united states and europe can guarantee there will be a steady flow of weapons for many, many years into the future, that that might be good enough, at least to get a ceasefire for some period of time to satisfy

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who contracted the disease are unvaccinated, including the child who died amid the measles outbreak. in the spotlight at the white house yesterday, when health secretary robert f kennedy jr, a vaccine skeptic, was asked about the president's cabinet meeting and the issue of measles. >> there are two people. >> who have died, but. the were watching it and. >> there are about 20 people hospitalized. >> mainly for quarantine. we're watching and we put out a post on it yesterday and we're going to continue to follow it. incidentally. >> there have been four measles outbreaks this year. >> in this country. >> last year there. >> were 16. >> so it's not unusual. >> we have measles outbreaks. >> every year. >> it's just there's only been. yes. we have been able to confirm that there has only been one person who has lost their

life. health officials in texas say the only reason people are hospitalized is for treatment, not to be quarantined. joining us now, nbc news correspondent jorge solis in lubbock, texas, and doctor philip huang, director of dallas health and human services. so, jorge, what are you hearing from people there about what is going on? >> hey, jose. >> obviously, there is. >> a. lot of concern with this. measles outbreak. >> state officials. >> telling us that. >> death. >> that school age child was between the ages of five. >> and 17. so presumably this was someone who would have been able to get at least one. >> if not both, of the mmr doses. >> here at lubbock public health, we actually spoke with a mom who said, look, i was behind. >> on my vaccine schedule for my. >> 14 month. >> old, but news of this death is obviously scared me enough that i came and made sure that i had my daughter vaccinated here. despite that, there is still a lot of misinformation and a lot of divisiveness. >> that's happening. >> between parents. who still. >> are reticent. >> to get the mmr vaccine. but of course, some. parents not taking that chance, coming. >> here to. >> make sure they get the shot

here. city officials. also running clinics to try and get people vaccinated. they're also running what are called. ig therapies. basically, anyone that thinks they might have been exposed to the measles to have an opportunity to get any kind of treatment. now they have a very small window to do that between 3 and 6 days, in some cases to get a vaccine. should they have been exposed to the measles here. >> but bottom line here. >> jose, a lot of people are concerned about this outbreak. new numbers are expected to be released by the state tomorrow, so we should get a clear indication. >> of just. >> how many more cases may have spread. officials here have every indication to expect those numbers to go up, but they are hoping there are no more deaths in this state or county, because obviously that is a very troubling thing to hear when this is something that should have been eradicated. it was considered eradicated for a very long time. >> jose jorge solis in lubbock, texas, thank you so very much. so, doctor juan, let's let's go over a few things, if you would. i mean, i'm sure you're monitoring all of this issue very closely in dallas. but first of all, the vaccine for

measles, it's not one of like a new vaccine, is it? >> no. >> it's been around since 1963. and i mean. >> just the effectiveness. >> of that. >> the show. >> i. >> mean. >> before 1963, there. >> were like 3 to. >> 4. >> million. >> cases a. >> year, 450 deaths a year. and then, as was mentioned before, it's really was considered eradicated in 2000. so it's incredibly effective. and we've seen the benefits of this. >> and, you know, there's been time to study side effects of this vaccine and, and effectiveness of this vaccine. >> exactly. >> i mean, it's. >> it's. >> you know, so incredibly effective. >> that's why we. >> haven't seen. measles cases. >> for most, you know. >> since again, 2000. >> you know, most clinicians i personally have never actually. seen a measles case. >> and that's. >> where i. >> think it's sort. >> of. >> lulled into complacency. and

we are victim of. our own success with that because it's so effective. >> people start. >> you know, saying, well, why do. >> we. >> still need vaccine? >> you know, get vaccine for this. and it's. because the vaccine is so effective that we're not seeing it. >> and, doctor, i've got to just ask you if you would just to stand by with me. i think that the prime minister of the united kingdom is about to arrive or arriving at the white house right now. so, doctor, if you could just stay with me. let's go to these pictures of the arrival of the british prime minister and doctor. we'll have our conversation in just a minute, if you would, sir, i just want to kind of go right into this video. you can see the president of the united states there awaiting the arrival of the prime minister. and there they are together. this is right now live pictures from. >> the white. how are you, sir? >> yeah. >> no thank you. >> prime minister. >> do you. >> get. >> a backstop here? >> the question he was asked is how confident are you of a peace

deal in ukraine? and he said, very confident. and there you see it. they went right in to the white house. live pictures from washington, d.c. now i want to go back, if i could, to the doctor. doctor juan, again, i apologize for the interruption, but this is breaking news and live television. i want to ask you, if i could, a little bit about the measles issue, how easy is it to transmit? >> you know. >> measles is. >> like the model for. >> one of. >> the most. >> easily transmitted. diseases that we see in. >> you know, it's transmitted by respiratory droplets. >> and. >> airborne, and it can linger in a room for like two hours. so after someone with measles has been in that room for two hours. >> it's estimated. >> you know, 90% of persons who are unvaccinated that would go into that room would come down with measles. i mean, again, it's a model for some of the highest transmission of any

disease that we know. >> so, so wait a minute. so someone is in a room and they what cough or something and then they leave. yeah. and then for two hours that stuff is hanging around. and then you just it could be an hour or 45 later that you go into that room and you could still get it. >> yes. >> that's. >> that's sort of how easily transmitted this is. >> and so doctor, what is it that and then the other one, i was just saying that, that if you do have the possibility of having, having been exposed to it, you can then even then there's a period that you could get the vaccine and it would mitigate it. >> yes. so if you can, there's a window for 72 hours you can get the vaccine. and so that would be effective at preventing getting that. and then also within six days you can get the immune globulin. so there you.

know that's. what's and you know the tragedy of a death. with this is this is so preventable. the vaccine is so effective. even with this highly transmissible disease. >> and doctor quickly this vaccine is available. it's not only just, you know, is it available readily available everywhere. >> yeah. it's readily available. >> it's not any shortage or anything that we have on that doctor. >> thank you very much. really appreciate your time and your expertise. thank you. up next, the live report from israel, where the bodies of four hostages were returned overnigh, and how to best protect yourself against a surge of chinese cyber espionage and attacks. they are espionage and attacks. they are everywhere. you're watching when emergency strikes, first responders rely on the latest technology. that's why t-mobile created t-priority built for the 5g era. only t-priority dynamically dedicates more capacity

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matt bradley is in tel aviv. matt, good to see you. what is the status of going forward? anything for any possible future negotiations or even cease fire? >> yeah, it's a great question because of. >> course, we just saw the. >> final stage. >> of that first. >> phase of. that deal, and. >> that was. >> almost didn't happen. but now it looks. >> as though. >> there isn't any real indication. >> that we're going to be able. >> to move. >> on to phase two. there have been no negotiations. >> even though those negotiations. >> were supposed. >> to start weeks. >> ago. >> by the terms of. >> this treaty. >> to try to. >> negotiate a move to phase two. and phase two would mean. essentially a more permanent kind of peace in the. >> or. excuse me, treaty in. >> the. >> gaza strip between israel and hamas, and eventually the full withdrawal of israeli forces from the. >> gaza strip. we haven't. >> seen much movement. >> on that. >> but we got a. >> statement from the prime minister's. >> office today. saying that they're going to be. >> sending a delegation. >> of. >> diplomats to cairo to try to negotiate. >> and see if there.

>> was any. >> common ground. >> it's unclear. >> whether or not that. >> means that they're. >> trying to. >> extend that first. >> phase. >> or. >> whether they're actually trying to. >> move. >> on. >> to. >> phase two. there's some real intractable, intractable problems. in the way of moving on to phase two. >> the main one is. >> that the israelis. >> are insisting that. >> hamas no longer maintain. >> full authority over. >> the gaza strip, and that they. completely disarm. >> and leave the gaza strip. >> now. >> of course, that's. unacceptable to hamas. >> they're not going to sign. >> on. >> to a. >> deal that would entail their. >> own destruction. >> i spoke with a hamas. >> political bureau leader today. >> and he. >> said that the group is willing to cede authority. >> to a. >> power sharing. >> deal with the palestinians. >> it's unclear. >> whether that would. >> ever be acceptable. >> on the israeli side. >> okay. >> now bradley in tel aviv, thank you so much. and turning now to a very different trouble area in the world. chinese espionage activity has increased and it's increased exponentially. it even reached an inflection point in 2024. that's according to crowdstrike's latest global threat report on cybersecurity.

tech firm finds there has been a 150% surge of chinese backed cyber espionage operations across the world. and when it comes to china's targeting of key industries like financial services, media manufacturing, there has been a 200 to 300% surge in cyber attacks. joining me now from crowdstrike is adam meyers. he is the senior vice president of counter adversary operations, which sounds like i want to know a lot more about what you do. but, adam. china is a threat to government and industry. something that we've been talking a lot about for some time now. what's the new threat it poses? >> well, i think. >> you know, what we're seeing. >> is that they've really matured. one of the things that i think is terrifying is that china has been investing in their offensive capabilities for over two decades now, and they've achieved parity with many of the other big cyber players out there. they've matured how they conduct

operations. and this is a global problem. every vertical, every geographic region that we track, we've seen an increase from chinese threat actors trying to collect intelligence. and more scary is that in some in some incidents, they're actually pre-positioning. they're trying to gain access to critical infrastructure, logistics and maritime systems that they could potentially use if there's a conflict that they want to be able to take down those logistical support networks that would be necessary for us to conduct operations in some of these theaters. >> so, adam, how are they doing that? and if, you know, you have been able to find out that they're doing that, how do you fight that? >> well. that's that's a challenging part. in many. >> cases. >> we've seen that they've started to move away from you know, i'm sure you've been covering this for years, that the smash and grab activity. where they would come in, steal sensitive trade information and try to use it to their own advantage. what we're seeing now is that they are not coming in

through the same means. they're using vulnerabilities in network facing devices, the infrastructure that connects businesses and government agencies to the internet. and by targeting those things, which are typically unmanaged, defenders have a really hard time trying to see when they gain access. and from there, they're collecting information. and what i'd say is that they're focused on enduring and persistent collection. we saw the targeting of mobile providers during this last election cycle to target political candidates. they're trying to scale that up across the globe so that they can collect information on anybody that they want to at any time. >> hey. >> what's this whole thing of vishing, this voice phishing surge that you talk about in crowdstrike in second half of 2024? what is that vishing thing? >> well, yeah, there's been a massive change in how these threat actors are gaining access. the good news is that we've made it very difficult for them to use the traditional means to break in phishing

emails and sending things in like that. and so now they're resorting to some of the older techniques of social engineering, calling up a company's help desk and pretending to be the user, having issues connecting and getting passwords reset. or in some cases, they'll deluge somebody's mailbox with spam and then call them up and pretend to be the help desk. in order to get the person to click on a link and give them access that way. so it's really targeting the weakest link in the security chain these days, which is the human behind the keyboard. >> yeah, i mean, boy, i can just think of a million times. i mean, i get all kinds of i'm sure folks at home do as well. you know, you get a call that you don't recognize, but sometimes it's even from your own area code. pick it up and you say hello, and then there's nothing. or, you know, you're getting texts all the time saying, oh, we're doing a poll or or, hey, you got to pay your your toll booth. how do we protect ourselves from, from something as kind of rudimentary

and constant as that. and then it goes all the way up to, you know, iran or the cuban regime that is just 90 miles from, from, you know, the keys also, being a cyber player. >> yeah. >> i think, you know, part of it is what you're doing here, right. educating people and helping them understand that, you know, when you get one of those text messages or you get a phone call, you know, you need to be a little bit dubious of who that person is. in fact, you know, i think a lot of people, if they see a phone call that they don't recognize, they typically just send it to voicemail. now, when we're talking about nation state threat actors, that's that's a different concern. and when you think about china and russia and iran and north korea, you know, we're talking about threat actors that have a vast amount of resources at their disposal, and they are able to leverage vulnerabilities and new techniques. but the good news is that they're typically targeting enterprises, businesses, government agencies who have different resources and different capacity to defend

against those threats. >> adam, you and i got to continue our conversation going forward because i got a whole the whole thing of ai and how they're using, you know, voices of people that you may know or or taking your own voice. and then how do we just protect ourselves? but and also, adam, i didn't get a chance to learn from you what kind of stuff you do. all of that is a pending conversation that you and i have. all right. >> all right. well, the generative ai thing is, i think a big story. so happy to connect with you on that. >> let's maybe we could continue this conversation tomorrow. let's see if we can do that. anytime you want. thank you, my friend. appreciate it. thank you. next, remembering oscar winning icon gene hackman. while police in new mexico investigate the death of the star and his the death of the star and his wife are watching ♪♪ herbal essences is a force of nature. our shampoos and conditioners are made with supercharged botanicals. ♪♪ these sulfate-free formulas deeply penetrate and replenish nutrients. ♪♪

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afternoon. according to police, they say that the couple had been dead for at least a day, but they're not giving any more information on that. they say that there was no signs of visible trauma, but police are not ruling anything in or anything out at this moment, except the fact that we do know that the couple was found dead with one of their three dogs, was also found dead with him. as you can imagine, the tributes are pouring in from across the country and around the world for this esteemed actor, including one from francis ford coppola, a legend himself in terms of directing. and he directed gene hackman in the 1974 classic called the conversation. and in a tweet coppola sent out, he said, gene hackman, a great actor, inspiring and magnificent in his work and complexity. i mourn his loss and celebrate his existence and contribution. as you can imagine, there will be many people talking about gene hackman, particularly in light of the fact that the academy awards show is coming up this sunday and he will be remembered for his greatness and the fact

that he himself won two academy awards. jose. >> yeah, i mean, just what a legacy of work he he he he created and it's interesting. and by the way, we're expecting officials to have a news conference in just a couple of minutes from new mexico about the, the what happened here in gene hackman's home. but the authorities have so far said that they don't think that there was foul play involved. >> that's what they're saying at this moment. but again, they're not ruling anything in necessarily and they're not ruling anything out. they have said quite pointedly that this is an active investigation and it is ongoing. they're trying to determine. you might expect there might be an autopsy of this couple to find out exactly what did cause their death. jose. >> my dear rehema ellis, it's great seeing you. i thank you very much. and that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose

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