>> the relationship between president zelensky and president putin is not a good one. you've noticed, right? it's not a good one. it's not a good relationship. and we'll have to try and work something out. sometimes that happens. i get along with both. i have a very good relationship with president putin. i think i have a very good relationship with president zelensky. and now we're, you know, we're doing the deal and we're going to be in there. we're going to be actually in there digging, digging our hearts out. and hopefully, you know, we need the rare earth and we have some here, but we don't have enough. we're our our economy is very strong. and we need a lot of things that in some cases we don't have here. so i think we're going to have a very good relationship. but the relationship between them is not the best. >> i think that. >> mr. zelenskyy is a dictator. >> did i say that? i can't

believe i said that. next question sir. >> yes, sir. >> yeah. please go ahead. >> yeah. sir. from the. >> financial times. >> can you see. >> any situation. >> where us. >> forces could be deployed as a backstop in a peacekeeping operation, in direct confrontation with russian forces? >> well, there is a backstop thing. you know, first you're going to have european countries because they're right there. we're very far away. we have an ocean between us, but we want to make sure it works. so i don't know when you say backstop, you mean a backstop psychologically or militarily or what? but we are a backstop because we'll be over there. we'll be working in the country. we're going to be. that's a great thing economically for them. because, you know, when you talk about economic development, we're going to have a lot of people over there. so we'll be working in the country. so i don't i don't i just don't think you're going to have a problem. i think when we have an agreement, you can say whatever you want about security, who's going to do it? and that's going to be a very pleasant conversation. the hard conversation is will we have an agreement? and i think the

answer is yes. i think russia will agree. and i think that i really believe ukraine will agree also. >> as well. just just that. >> if british. >> troops are in ukraine keeping the peace and get attacked by russia, will you come to their. >> aid? if the british people are in ukraine and they get attacked? you know, i've always found about the british, they don't need much help. they can take care of themselves very well. you know what? no, it sounds like it's evasive, but it's not evasive. you know, the british are have been incredible soldiers, incredible military, and they can take care of themselves. but if they need help, i'll always be with the british, okay? i will always be with them. but they don't need help. you look at their career. you have done very well over the years, haven't you? we have. >> i'm very. >> proud of our country and we have. >> but we've. >> also always been there, backing each other up between our two countries. that is why this is the greatest alliance for prosperity and security i think the world has ever seen. whenever necessary, we.

absolutely backed each other up. and that's. could you take on russia by yourselves? >> well. >> all right, 1 or 2 more. yes, ma'am. >> in his. >> remarks at the munich security conference, vice president vance condemned free speech violations in the uk particularly. could you respond? what is your message? >> i have an idea. we have the man right here. >> come on. >> let's go. jd, let's putting you on stage. >> great. >> yeah. look. >> i said what i said, which is that. we do have, of course, a special relationship with our friends in the uk and also with some of our european allies. but we also know that there. >> have been infringements. >> on free. speech that actually affect not just the british. of course, what the british do in their own country is. >> up to. >> them. >> but also affect american. >> technology companies and by extension. >> american citizens. >> so that. >> is something that. >> we'll talk about. >> today at lunch. >> we've had free speech for a very, very. >> long time in the. united kingdom. and it will last for a very, very long time. well, no, i mean.

>> certainly we wouldn't. >> want to reach across us citizens and we don't. and that's absolutely right. but in relation to free speech in the uk, i'm very proud of our, our history there. >> we just in august with the australians and the brits. >> were you discussing. >> discussing aukus. >> with the prime minister sir. >> what does that mean? >> aukus the australia. >> us defense alliance. yeah. >> well we'll be discussing that. we've had a great relationship and you have to with australia. yeah, we've had a very good relationship with australia. please. >> mr. president, while we have a vice president. >> here. >> are you both disappointed that the afd. didn't come first in the german elections, given your previous support. >> for them? >> no. whatever happens with germany. look, the relationship has been very strong with germany, but we'll have to see what happens. they have a lot of things going on right now. we'll have to see. no, i'm not disappointed about anything. if anything, you would say that the group that we would be most opposed to lost and but we got along with them also. we have a

very good relationship with all groups in germany. >> ceo erik. >> prince was on our. >> channel, news nation. >> he was talking about his. >> proposal to use private forces to assist in deportations. have you read that proposal and do you. >> support it? no, i haven't seen it. i don't think it's necessary. our people are doing a phenomenal job. i wouldn't be opposed to it necessarily, but i'd go to our military people and i'd go to tom homan and christie. i'd go to the various and ask, but i don't i don't see it as being. we're doing unbelievable unbelievably and getting people out, getting criminals out, people that should have never been here, that the biden administration, with their stupid open borders, should have never allowed. they came in from prisons and jails and mental institutions and gang members and drug dealers coming into our country like this. we're getting them out and we're doing really well. i mean, they the level of effectiveness has been incredible. everybody is talking about how about one more? mr. president, i know you've asked. >> mr. president.

>> one on. >> the. >> middle east. >> go ahead. you look so nice. >> thank you. >> here we go. here's the gill. >> mr. president, are there areas specifically of ukraine. >> that you're. >> talking about. >> in. >> giving back. >> specifically crimea, or have you gotten to. >> those details yet? >> well, we you mean the areas that were taken? yeah, there are a lot of areas that were taken. yeah, we've talked about it. a lot of the sea lion has been taken, and we'll be talking about that, and we're going to see if we can get it back or get a lot of it back for ukraine. if that's possible. we'll be seeing about that. okay. thank you very much, everybody. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. we're headed out. >> thank you. >> thanks, guys. this. >> under the new trump administration. these oval office sprays are very different than they have ever been in the past. usually the pool goes in. maybe they make a couple of quick statements. these have turned into pretty much full blown press conferences, even though we have one that is officially coming up between prime minister starmer and

president trump. i want to bring in meagan fitzgerald, who has been covering the uk side of this a lot to get to, not the least of which is the relationship between the uk and the us. but that's critical to what we're going to see tomorrow. right, and what they're going to be talking about before we have the official press conference, which is what can be done to end the, the attacks that continue in ukraine, the death that continues in ukraine. can there be a deal? give me your headlines out of this oval office spray. >> right. so as you said, a lot to unpack here. so president trump says that he and starmer will be discussing the war in ukraine along with trade. he said that he believes that the two countries get along well, and that they will continue to get along well on the topics that they're set to discuss. now, look, you know, the big question here is, will trump agree to a us military backstop for ukraine? he was just asked by a reporter in the room, and

trump said he'll be speaking with zelensky tomorrow and that he'll be signing an important agreement. of course, talking about that rare earth mineral deal. trump says that that deal will get the united states into ukraine, working mining for those rare earth minerals. and as part of the deal, he says that he sees that as a backstop, saying that he doesn't think anyone will play around, presumably referring to russia. if the united states is there on the ground as workers. trump goes on to say that he he's known putin for a very long time and that when a deal is made, he believes it will hold and that russia is acting very well right now. trump says his mission here is to try and end the war in ukraine. too many people are dying on both sides. he went on to say that he will get as much land back for ukraine as he can. but again, chris reiterating that ukraine joining nato is not going to happen. keir starmer, we just heard, you know, reiterating that he wants a

lasting deal. but look, you know, a lot is on the line here. you know these are high stakes discussions for keir starmer. we just saw days ago emmanuel macron trying to push for the same thing, a us military backstop. and then then just yesterday trump saying in his cabinet meeting, you know that that that's that's not going to happen. and then tomorrow he's going to be meeting with zelensky, who has said there's no mineral deal, unless of course, there are security guarantees. so we have seen some progress, but there is still a lot of work, a lot of discussions that need to take place before we see an end to this war in ukraine. chris. >> meghan fitzgerald, thank you. i want to bring in michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia and an msnbc international affairs analyst. so much to unpack. but let me start where meghan left off, which is the president suggesting that the security backstop on the part of the united states will be that there will be americans working in ukraine as part of this rare

earth mineral deal? is that security? >> no, it's not security. >> and there's. >> a chicken. and egg problem here. >> what company. >> is going. >> to invest. >> for billions and billions of dollars. >> for a multi year, decades long investment? right. >> we're talking about. >> mining, right? >> it takes a long time. >> to do that. >> what company. >> is going to. >> do. that if they don't. >> think their property rights are. >> secured, if they don't think their people are safe? so i better i appreciate the logic. but the. >> devil's in the details. >> and unless. >> there's real. >> security. >> real peace. >> enduring peace, no american company is going to send. >> their employees. that to be targets for russian aggression. >> well, the president seemed to think that all of this talk about the need for security may have been overstated. here's exactly what he said. he said, i just don't think you're going to have a problem with security. security is not going to be a problem. let me play a little

bit more of what the president had to say about whether or not vladimir putin could be trusted if there was a deal made. >> mr. president. >> what would you be. >> willing to do if vladimir putin. >> did not. >> stick to the terms. >> of any deal on ukraine? >> what did. >> not stick to the. >> terms of any deal on ukraine, because. >> he has a. >> history of not sticking to his word when it comes to international agreements. >> i think he'll keep his word. i think i think he's i've spoken to him. i've known him for a long time now, you know, i've known him. we had we had to go through the russian hoax together. that was not a good thing. it's not fair. that was a rigged deal and had nothing to do with russia. it was a rigged deal with inside the country. and they had to put up with that, too. they put up with a lot. it wasn't just us. they had to put up with it with a phony story that was made up. i've known him for a long time now, and i think he will. i don't believe he's going to violate his word. i don't think he'll be back when we make a deal. i think the deal is going to hold. >> i think the deal is going to hold. he says he's known vladimir putin for a long time.

you have as well, mr. ambassador. do you have 100% confidence that if a deal is made, vladimir putin will stick to it? >> no. >> why? >> based on what. >> president trump was. >> in office for four. >> years. >> what deal did he ever. >> conclude with vladimir putin? >> and by. >> the. >> way, let's remember. >> the war. >> in ukraine. >> started in. >> 2014, not 2022. >> it was ongoing. >> in. >> eastern ukraine. >> for the. >> entire trump presidency. >> they achieved. >> no peace agreement then. >> but number. >> two, from the ukrainian. >> perspective. >> they don't trust the word of putin. >> and. >> they don't. >> trust our. >> words either. we signed. >> a deal. with the ukrainians in 1994 where they. >> gave up. >> their nuclear. >> weapons in return for. >> security guarantees. >> from us. >> that didn't play out. >> so they want a little more meat on the. >> bones. >> just trusting. putin is. >> not something. >> that they're going to go along with. >> and by the.

>> way, the president. >> of the united. states should not either. >> we want. >> to have. >> a lasting. deal that is credible, that. >> commits him. >> to peace, not just his his. >> word that. >> i'm going to do this because i'm friends with, you know, donald trump. >> you know, it's been fascinating to watch. i think first with emmanuel macron and now with keir starmer, to see how they're trying to walk the line. right. they obviously want to support ukraine. they also know that there is a way to approach donald trump. but both of them felt it was necessary with all the press they're assembled to correct president trump. when he suggested that somehow every single penny that the europeans have given to ukraine has been a loan, and you heard him say quite a bit of it was gifted, essentially the same thing that emmanuel macron has talked about. you and i have spoken so much over the years, mr. ambassador, about how to

approach vladimir putin. but what about approaching donald trump at a critical moment like this for ukraine and the security of europe? >> so i am glad these european leaders. are coming to meet with the president. that's that is helpful. i also. >> want to. >> applaud president trump for getting engaged in trying to end this barbaric, horrific invasion. >> of ukraine. >> that putin. >> started. >> by. >> the way. >> but the fact that he is talking about it. >> that's a good sign, too. >> number three. >> i actually think it's. >> a very. >> good sign. >> that he is going. >> to meet with president zelensky tomorrow. >> this mineral deal. >> you know, i'm. >> embarrassed by we shouldn't be in colonial exploitation of countries that are weak. but actually the ukrainians negotiated hard. it's not a bad deal for ukraine. and most importantly, zelensky. >> said, i. >> want to come meet with the president to talk. >> to. >> him, because in doing that, you see the president's position moving. one of the things he

just said right now that needs to be underscored, he said, we're going to try to get back some of their territory. that was news. he's never said that before. >> he was much of the land as we can get back. is the exact quote exactly. >> that is new. >> and that. >> happens when the president is confronted in these with leaders sitting there. that is a very good sign. so i appreciate you have to deal with who's the president of the united states. i didn't get to choose who is in. >> the. >> kremlin when. >> i was the ambassador. you interact with the leadership that is at hand, and i think this is these are positive developments, maybe getting to a better place on the negotiations than we were just a few days ago. >> it was also interesting toward the end of that, i think it was at least half an hour. he was asked about his statements about vladimir, vladimir zelensky being a dictator, and he said, did i say that? i can't believe i said that. next question. let's remind folks of what president trump did say just on february 19th.

>> think of it. a modestly successful comedian, a dictator without elections. zelensky, better move fast or he's not going to have a country left. >> so for a lot of folks, zelensky tomorrow and i want to ask you specifically about that. but i was thinking about some sort of parallel when he was asking about asked about whether or not the united states would be there for the uk if they came under threat. and, and you heard starmer say, we've always been there for each other. right. but how does zelensky approach this tomorrow, knowing what you know about him and the way that over the course of three years, he has kept a lot of the world's attention on what's happening in his country? >> well, first. >> before i get to that excellent question, i just. >> want. >> to underscore something. you just showed that it's easy on social media. >> and it's easy. >> when you're talking to your base to say crazy things. it's a lot harder when you're sitting

next to the prime minister of great britain. >> and the. >> fact that he would not acknowledge what he said, that's progress. >> and that's. >> a that's why this interacting with the president and the way that they're doing is progress. because, of course, zelensky is not a dictator. he's a democratically elected president of ukraine. >> they have a. >> law for martial law. and putin has. >> been. >> in power for 25 years. so that's progress. and i think zelensky has to continue to use a similar strategy. he he's. >> going to. >> he needs to praise the president for this mineral deal, which is pretty. >> you know. >> you're. >> going to see it. >> it's pretty thin. >> shall we say. >> on the details. and that's what the ukrainians want. but they want to keep president trump engaged in the peace process and not just becoming the advocate for president putin. that is their greatest fear, that he just regurgitates putin's talking points like he did about zelensky being the dictator, and the best way to keep him off of that is direct

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>> we would like a. >> bigger school board. >> of. >> how it's going. >> i just. >> have. >> a. >> real problem. if i get confirmed as the head of an agency, a cabinet level position, i've got somebody else who's pretending or. >> that that is. >> acting as my boss. that's a real problem. >> and we may have only seen the beginning of the cuts as the most widespread firings and changes could be yet to come. let's bring in nbc's julie sirkin on capitol hill. ashley parker is a staff writer for the atlantic and msnbc political analyst. doug heye is a republican strategist and former communications director for the rnc. doug, i would say in a in a understatement, siouxsie wiles has an unenviable job. you know,

when senators are hearing from unhappy constituents, they don't have any information to say, yes, but we've saved x amount of money because some of the stuff that's been posted has turned out not to be true. how does wiles convince them, or can she convince them that they are not powerless in this? or is the fact that they are? >> well. >> i think. >> it comes mostly from from donald trump. these senators need to hear directly from him so they can be bought in to what. he's doing. the challenge is one, the uncertainty. people don't know what's being cut and people are maybe losing their jobs or have gotten notice that they've been fired but not actually fired. and then the firings themselves, there's a lot of changes in washington that are going to happen over the next few years. but when you go back into state and states and congressional districts, things like cutting at the veterans affairs gets very unpopular very quickly. and i would tell folks in washington, whether you're at think tanks or lobbying firms, if, you know, changes are going to happen, this is an opportunity for you to talk to clients about how to best protect what you're getting

from the federal government, whether they're grants or appropriations or what have you, but also to propose your own. so, you know, arnold ventures a couple weeks ago proposed here are ten ways we can cut. here are ten tax loopholes that we can close. it's a smarter way of doing things because we can't fix some of these things with with a scalpel, and we shouldn't do it with a chainsaw. we need a good chef's knife right now in washington, d.c. >> but to his original point, actually, senator tillis says, you know, it's problematic for cabinet secretaries to have someone pretending to be their boss. and at yesterday's cabinet meeting, they were put in the position of having to affirm that they approve of elon musk's work. all they you know, they clapped for him. but what influence can siouxsie wiles have if musk is doing what donald trump wants him to do and even has has said said he's doing a great job. >> well. >> first, that cabinet meeting you referenced, i think that moment was so telling because elon musk. is saying, look. >> this isn't. >> a. >> performance review. >> where we ask federal workers to. send five bullet points.

it's a pulse check. >> you know. >> to make sure basically these people who say they're federal workers. are showing up. to respond to an email are not dead. but that's not what it is at all, because you had some of those members in the room who went put on the spot, declined to stand up to elon musk, but who had very publicly told their employees, don't. >> send this response. >> so you're getting incredibly conflicting. messages of elon saying. >> send this. >> to prove you're alive in a. sort of. >> dismissive. >> snarky way. and then cabinet members. and agency. >> heads saying. >> don't send this. so it raises a lot of confusion for what is a federal employee to do. >> to answer. >> your original question, what can siouxsie wiles do? she is incredibly powerful. she is someone who understands the president. >> has a very strong. >> relationship with him. his work to. >> have a. >> relationship with elon musk, one. >> of the things. >> we know, she said, in that private meeting on. the hill before was, look, if there's a problem, you can come to me. but

again, that's a sort of scalpel solution, right? as doug. >> was. >> saying, that's having doge come in, break everything into shards, and then siouxsie wiles saying, look, if there's a shard that's really important to you, come back to me and i'll get you some superglue and we'll work on it. it may work in the. >> margins. >> but you're right. and that that's not sort of an. actual fix across the federal. bureaucracy for this very confusing, complicated. >> dynamic that. >> we're seeing unfold. >> and one of the things that they've been sort of touting the, you know, the elon musk and the president is they want accountability. they want to know that taxpayer dollars are being spent. well. well, accountability can work two ways, right? so let's say if the intention is to make sure that people who don't exist, who never existed or who are dead are getting federal pay checks, have we seen accountability? are there numbers? do we know that there is a problem with people who don't exist? getting federal pay checks?

>> well, again. >> one of the challenges is that what doge is saying and what elon is saying. >> what president trump. >> is saying, sounds incredibly appealing, right? >> common sensical. right. >> cut the federal bureaucracy. there's too much bloat. there's waste, there's abuse. just just about everyone. >> can. >> potentially agree. >> with that. the challenge, of. >> course, is when you actually do it. there's no indication. >> that they. >> have sort of culled from these agencies, you know, these alleged. >> thousands of. >> dead people who continue to cut a government paycheck. and when. >> they say, for. >> instance, they go after the low hanging fruit and. >> they fire. >> probationary employees, that, again. >> common sense. >> sounds like employees who are on probation who have perhaps done something wrong. but when you report on it and peel back the curtain, most of the time, these quote unquote probationary employees may be people who had just gotten. a promotion because they're such good employees who have just moved their families

to a different city or to a new agency because they were asked to do so because their skill set was so valuable. so this is. where we're seeing a talking point. maypole well, and sound good, but when the reality is someone who voted for trump works for. >> the va. >> suddenly gets laid off, which they find out when they can't log into their email and their paychecks. >> stop coming. >> that's not particularly popular even in a deep red district. >> yeah, ashley, thank you for that. okay, julie. republican senators met with elon musk today, and house speaker mike johnson says he's trying to schedule a meeting where musk can talk directly to house republicans. tell us more about all of that. >> well, just walking to get to this camera, i stopped a handful of senators from different states north dakota, texas, florida. all of them have heard from constituents, whether it's pertaining to cuts to the va or other agencies or concerned about this chainsaw approach that musk is taking, particularly in the conversation in context of what we were talking about with these budget resolutions and the savings they need to come up with. without

getting into those entitlements. there are definitely concerns because constituents are calling them. and i have to tell you about what we've seen with those house members last week and their town halls back home. but i thought it was interesting what ashley was just saying, because we had this reporting to that siouxsie wiles in that meeting with republicans, told senators, you can call me if you're hearing from folks and you have a problem with how these cuts are taking place. in the same vein, you heard from rick scott a couple of minutes ago coming back from the white house and is meeting with elon musk, saying that musk and his team gave them phone numbers of people that he's hired at dodge that they can contact if they have problems. so is it wiles? is it musk who is running the show here? i think that is one of the problems that of course, republicans have here on capitol hill. all being said, though, senators who came back from that meeting today in the dodge caucus said it went amazing. they're thrilled with these cuts. on the other side here in the house, you have speaker johnson, who says he too wants to organize a similar meeting for members. take a listen. >> we're talking about bringing

elon back over to meet with either small groups or members or appropriators or maybe all the house republicans. but we're trying to figure out logistics. but he's anxious to share what he's finding. and a lot of things he's told me in our private meetings has said, we have to make sure all the members understand the degree of the fraud and abuse and how the breaches it is. between november and inauguration day in january. elon musk was no stranger on capitol hill, right? he was holding meetings with republicans in the senate, in the house, talking through his plans. i think he might have gotten ahead of himself in terms of how much he is cutting and where, because, as you heard from tommy tuberville, the senator from alabama, he told me yesterday that he wants a scoreboard of where these cuts are coming from, no matter how conservative you are and how much you appreciate the effort to cut the deficit, members of congress want to be in control of this process because this is, in theory, something only they can control. they're just figuring out how to work hand in glove with elon musk to do it. >> yeah, complicated stuff,

doug. and far larger staff cuts are expected to be in the pipeline. i mean, the new york times is reporting on a memo from the head of the white house budget office which, quote, called for agencies to be drastically cut in some instances to the fullest extent allowed by the law. one line in the memo said agencies should focus on the maximum elimination of functions that are not statutorily mandated. here's the problem. and it's a human nature. ron one it's nimby, right? not in my backyard. yes, everyone can agree that there is waste. everyone can agree there is bloat. but if it's my constituent, if it's in my backyard, well, that's where i draw the line. so how do you move forward with this in a way that actually does make sense, and that the american people can understand? >> yeah. chris, the first time i heard the term waste, fraud and abuse was at a committee meeting, house committee communications directors, when the house budget committee

communications director talked about eliminating waste, fraud and abuse. it was a guy named sean spicer. i think we all know. >> who he is. >> and the reality is we can and should eliminate. >> waste. >> fraud and abuse. and we'll see. republicans hold up very specific examples of spending of $1 million here, $5 million there that sound and are outlandish and should be eliminated. the challenge is that doesn't get us there. and when you start cutting meat at the bones, to your point, this is where republicans are going to hear from, from members of their constituency, whether in congressional districts or states. governors are going to hear this as well, not necessarily in the uncertainty of these weeks where we are right now, but the slow burn, if people lose their jobs and the funding that comes from that three months, six months down the line, that's that's where if i'm a republican electorally, i'm looking at what we see in the coming months, not necessarily in the next few days. >> yeah. and there's interesting reporting on how many democratic governors and even glenn youngkin in virginia are hiring. some of these federal workers are making plans to hire them because they have institutional

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play. they also were concerned about the question of whether or not carbon monoxide may have been involved in this, but the fire department was called in and they did not detect any evidence of that. as you can imagine, there have been tributes pouring in for this family, and one important one coming from the children of gene hackman. i think we've got a full screen of that to show you. when they talk about the sadness of the passing of their father and his wife, they say he was loved and admired by millions around the world for his brilliant acting career. but to us, he was always just dad and grandpa. we will miss him sorely and are devastated by his loss. as you can imagine, there will be a lot of tributes coming in, including the fact that the academy awards are coming up this sunday and this two time oscar winner most certainly will be remembered. then chris. >> extraordinary actor and a tragic end. we will wait to hear more about exactly what happened. rehema ellis, thank

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