you know, you're all pretty young have to go through this. do you feel like this has changed you? yeah. 100%, yeah. every day you wake up, you think, obviously, something like that could happen, and you need to do things that matter. life seems more precious now? mmhmm. he's encouraging us to do a lot of things. and think he's still pushing us. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for whatching. [music playing] >> good morning, and welcome to this saturday edition of morning joe. weekend. it was. >> a. >> really busy week in politics, so let's get right to some of the conversations you might have

missed. >> you're a three time pulitzer prize winner. you worked at the washington post for eight years. i'm curious your thoughts yesterday when that missive from jeff bezos, which just sounded unlike anything i've ever heard before, saying we will not broker dissent on our opinion pages. i'm curious. i know that's a leading question, but i'm curious your thoughts. >> well, first. >> there's something very ironic about. >> casting yourself. >> as this defender of freedom when you are also writing that you care about. freedom so much. >> that, as you put it, joe, you won't broker. >> any dissent. >> i think it's. >> worth saying again, as. >> someone who worked for the post for almost. >> a decade. >> loved my. >> time there, still loves the post that there's great. >> reporters and. >> great. >> editors there, still producing great journalism. >> every day. >> in the face. >> of what. >> has been for a while now,

pretty rudderless leadership from the top. and absolutely. >> no evidence of. >> a. >> business plan. >> so my first feeling is that the washington post, those reporters and editors who compete. >> with. >> i would say when. >> i. >> was. >> there, we. >> we beat the times and the journal. >> now. >> i. would say. they compete with. >> the atlantic as well. >> are still doing great, great news with the odds. >> stacked against. >> them from. >> top leadership. >> well, and that, you know, that's what's so important to note. and i think, marty, you noted this earlier this morning, steve, that that despite what jim vandehei is just called rudderless leadership along with ashley and i mean, jim vandehei, i have no idea what they have been doing for the past several years. i'm just completely baffled. but despite that, we should say the reporters at the washington post are still the reporters still doing great work in spite of all the obstacles

that have been laid before them. i'm curious, though, your thought about the washington post, such a such a washington institution. so many extraordinary stories that they've broken so many, so many great journalistic careers. they've launched. what what was your thought yesterday when you saw this missive from bezos? >> i want to continue to believe in the washington post. i am a consumer. i am a reader. i appreciate hearing ashley point out how much great reporting there still is in the. washington post. there was a great story on the top of the app yesterday about elon musk and the billions of dollars he's received in government contracts over the year, and that's a story by the washington post. but something unusual is happening now and perhaps unintended, i don't know. jeff bezos is saying not only that, i'm changing the opinion section, but the opinion section is me. it's my point of view. it's my view of the world. it's personal freedom, it's free markets. and that means that

it's going to be hard for bezos to step away. if someone tries to influence what is on that page, if someone tries to pressure him through his businesses. in the past, when marty baron was the editor, bezos could say, listen, i'm leaving it to them. i'm hands off. he did still face some pressure and some trouble from the trump administration, but he could say, there's really nothing i can do for you because i'm leaving it to the people at the paper to decide what's in the paper. he can't say that anymore. he owns the opinion page. and when he talks about personal freedom and free markets, that might raise some questions. if you are honestly covering this administration, suppose there's a president who puts a bunch of tariffs on a bunch of countries. if you are in favor of free markets, what is your opinion section going to say about that? suppose there's an administration that is going against left wing ideology, but at the same time they're breaking up the checks and balances that are a guardian of our liberties. what do you say

if you're in favor of personal liberty in that case, and bezos has effectively made himself accountable for whatever the post is going to say on those issues. >> and you're right, though, to highlight, we all have the good reporting that's still being done at the post. the story i mentioned at the very top of the show about the reporting, how the faa is going to cancel a contract with verizon in exchange for elon musk's starlink. that is, again, the washington post. actually, speaking of elon musk, let's read from your new piece that you wrote for the atlantic. you wrote this quote over the first month of trump's new term. patterns have nonetheless emerged as a small crew of musk's young technologists work their way through the federal workforce. this new unit has trained its initial attention on the key punchers who make the government work, executing musk's belief that by controlling the computers, one could control the entire federal bureaucracy. instead of taking command of the existing workforce, trump's new team has pressured them to disperse, firing those who were

probationary, offering buyouts to others and subjecting many others to 15 minute interviews in what many felt were juvenile tests of their worth. the full impact of the blitz will not be known for months, when the courts and congress decide whether to push back, if at all, but the scale and speed of the transformation now taking place across the executive branch are likely to leave a deep mark. and as we saw in the cabinet meeting yesterday, trump elevated musk to speak. the only person who did, mind you, not a cabinet member, and made clear that more cuts are coming. talk to us more about this terrific reporting from you and your colleagues about just what exactly these doge teams are doing and how they're doing it. >> sure. >> so these. >> doge teams come in. >> they're often. >> young men who have worked with. >> musk before. >> at his various tech companies, but not always. >> and as you just. read musk's. >> view. >> and i cannot tell you the number. >> of people in. >> the white house and in.

>> the administration. >> who have. >> said to me. >> you know. >> at first. >> when he said. >> that if you control the computers, you control everything. it felt a little counterintuitive. >> but i now understand. >> what he means. >> which is the view that the computers are the ones that push out. >> the payments. >> that push. >> out money to grants and loans, that decide, you know, who is getting their. >> medicare or medicaid payment. >> and so musk is coming. >> in and trying to take. over these systems. and we reported it's interesting. musk did that quote unquote, pulse check. >> but our story ran a bit before. and it these individual agencies, there were signs of something like. >> that to come. >> there were interviews. >> where one doge employee, we had a recording. >> would ask people. >> federal employees with a ton. >> of experience. >> sort of cavalierly. >> it came off to them. >> so what's. >> your superpower? >> and they were also asked to give. >> lists of quote. unquote wins. >> they had had and.

>> blockers. >> which feels a bit like. >> the precursor. >> to this email. >> of five bullet points. >> explaining what you're doing. and i. watched that. >> cabinet meeting yesterday. and one. >> thing that was interesting to me was musk said, look, it. wasn't a performance review. it was a pulse. >> check. >> to see if you have a pulse in two neurons. >> but but. >> what what was. >> sort. of missed? >> there is this sense that there's plenty of people in the federal bureaucracy who have a pulse in more than two neurons, who are being told by someone who is viewed as president. >> musk, on. >> the. >> one hand, to send this email with five. bullet points. and then they are being told. by their cabinet. >> secretary or manager. absolutely not. >> to send. >> this email with bullet points. >> so that's. >> confusing to even the most. brilliant of people who are trying to figure out what to do, in which in many ways, as we documented, would be a comedy of. >> errors, but. >> for the fact that people's lives are at stake and their jobs are at stake. >> adrienne. then. steve. adrienne. for democrats, i mean,

there's so much. >> here to work with. >> it seems to me to stay focused on the direct impact, the of. >> the chaos. >> the confusion, obviously, the pain that we. >> saw the. >> the young man from the. >> irs who's just lost his job. >> and to try to give voice to that. i know that some democratic strategists, carville has said. >> lay back play. >> possum, but i think there is a lot. to work with here, carefully and calmly. but i wouldn't step away from saying, look, this is what happens when you cut like this, right? >> look, a couple. >> of things on that. i think number one, when trump initially. >> went after us, usaid. >> yeah. >> a lot. >> of americans were. >> like, what is usaid? like, we don't really understand what this agency does. is this our. >> taxpayer dollars. going to. >> support. >> you know. >> people around the world and not domestically here at home, which of course, we know is. >> not true. they do. >> usaid does a lot of work here at home. but now that. >> he's getting. >> into some of these other

agencies. >> and he's really tackling, you. >> know, people. >> who are managing medicaid, social security, distribution. >> you know, people who are. >> entrenched in their communities. there's a misnomer out there. >> in america. >> that a lot of these federal jobs are based in. >> washington. >> d.c. that is. >> not true. >> i think. >> the irs. >> center has a big. >> location in. >> columbus, ohio. >> that employs. >> 700 people. >> i mean, these are people. >> who are. being impacted across, across across the united. >> states in. >> their communities. >> who provide very. >> vital services. >> so i think it's. >> incumbent on democrats to not. >> only. >> push back on this. >> but also make it very clear that these are people. >> who are providing very important services that you will feel. >> the impact. >> of these services are not in existence in. >> your everyday life. >> you simply need human beings. to implement some of these really important government programs that. >> can't be. >> done with ai. >> it can't be done. >> you know, without people. >> there to. >> do these jobs. >> up next. >> democratic kentucky governor andy beshear joins us. he'll react to the republican plan in washington to make massive cuts to medicaid. you're watching

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>> well, thanks. >> for having me on. >> these medicaid cuts would. >> be devastating. >> and they'd. >> be devastating to the people we. >> all love. >> the most. >> the people we love the most in this world. >> are our. >> parents and. >> our kids. >> 50% of kentucky's kids get coverage through medicaid. >> 70% of our long term care costs. >> for our seniors. >> go through medicaid. >> so what cuts. would do would be to. >> harm families. >> that. >> have children with complicated. >> medical issues. >> harm the care that our. >> seniors get in. >> those important. >> twilight years. >> and it would. >> devastate rural. >> health care. >> i mean, we. >> thankfully have a strong. >> group of. >> rural hospitals. >> throughout our state. and i can tell you governing. >> during the pandemic, they are the reason. >> that so many. people survived. >> but large. >> cuts. >> to medicaid. >> would close virtually. >> all of them. >> and that. >> would mean most of. >> my people. >> would have to. >> drive two. >> plus hours just. >> to see probably. >> the same. doctor who lost. >> their job at a. >> rural hospital.

>> and is now. >> at an. >> urban hospital. >> we should want our people. >> to get healthier. >> we shouldn't. >> gamble with the number. >> of years. >> that our people. >> live. >> and cuts. >> to medicaid. >> will harm all. >> of america. >> well, and that's what i don't understand, governor. these cuts to medicaid will harm rural america, red state, america more than than urban america. if you look, you just talked about 50% of children in rural america get their health care from medicaid a higher. that's a higher percentage than children in in metro areas. you can say the same thing for the general population under 65, it's the same thing. so i'm just curious, why is it that you have representatives from your own state and other states that seem to be voting against the best interest of their voters in those states? because, like you said, the tragedy is they can't you know, they're not in new york or la. they can't travel a

short distance to go to a doctor. sometimes when you shut down these hospitals in kentucky or upstate new york or in wisconsin or michigan or central pennsylvania, you're making people go two hours just to get primary care. >> yeah. when you look at our federal delegation. >> and so. >> many others. >> it seems like. >> people care more about. >> being a good. >> member of the national. >> republican party. >> than a good. >> representative or senator from the commonwealth of. >> kentucky. >> or. >> anywhere else. that's when i. >> took this job. >> i didn't take an oath to. >> be the. >> best democratic. >> governor i could be. >> i took. >> an oath to be the best. >> governor for my. >> people that. >> i could be. >> and this policy. >> is going to harm so many. when i think about the things that matter most to the american people, it's going to impact all of them. they care about their job and whether they make enough to. support their family. if they've. >> got. >> to go two. >> hours. >> and take. >> off two days of. >> their job.

>> just for. >> a regular. >> appointment, it's going to hurt. >> they care about that. >> next doctor's appointment for themselves. >> their parents. >> or their kids. >> it's not just getting themselves to an appointment. >> but the pediatric. >> appointments, the seniors. >> they care. >> about safety. >> in. >> their community. well, if your. ambulance drive to. >> a. >> level one trauma center is an. >> hour plus. >> then then not as many people are going to make it. this. >> this hits. >> americans where we want security the most. and it's mean and it's cruel. i mean, not having a doctor in a community is demeaning to that community. and it's the federal government saying we don't care. so my hope is that congress will start doing its job, realize that it is a separate branch of government, and put the people first. because let me tell you, severe cuts in medicaid are going to make people speak out. >> adrienne. >> governor. >> great to see you this morning. question on this. you are a blue state. you are you are a democratic governor representing a red state. tell

me how you think. democrats can. >> you know. >> really draw this contrast here? i mean, there's obviously a lot of people. >> in your state. >> who voted for donald trump. >> they're probably not even thinking. >> about the. politics when medicaid is cut. but how can democrats. actually help draw this contrast? both, you know, democrats. >> in your state and. >> and nationally. >> to really you don't want to say we're trying to score political points. >> here, but i think it is important. >> that we actually. >> draw a contrast as democrats. >> and make it very. >> clear where we stand. >> and the fact that. >> we want to keep these programs intact. when you see somebody. >> like. >> donald trump and the maga republicans who are willing to do anything. to basically save a buck here and there in government. >> well, what democrats. >> have to do. >> is to stay focused. you know, i think donald trump is currently president because the last group of movable voters were convinced that that his opponent was distracted by culture war issues and he would do more to lower prices. well, guess what? this president is obsessed with culture war issues, and he is gambling

prices in the american economy, in potential trade wars for non-economic means. so if democrats will stay focused on those things that matter most to the american people, and that's your job, and whether you make enough to support your family, that next doctor's appointment and how far you have to drive to get there, whether you feel safe in your community, the school that you're going to drop your kids off at, and the roads and bridges you travel every day, that common ground, common sense for the american people, for working people is right there. you know, i talked to people, and right now what they're saying is they feel like the pendulum was swinging too far to the left, and now it's swung really far to the right. and what they want to see is it to stop swinging for us to be focused on areas that can improve everybody's life? and that is right there for the democrats to take to seize that ground. and the great part of it is it's not partizan. it's just something where we can help everybody and re-earn the faith and the trust of so many

americans. >> kentucky's democratic governor, andy. >> beshear. >> thank you very much for being on the show this morning. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still ahead. >> mike allen of axios will take us behind the curtain of what he calls trump's media control strategy. that conversation is just ahead on morning joe. just ahead on morning joe. weekend. since starting the farmer's dog, bogart has lost so much weight. and he has so much more energy. he's like a puppy again. ♪ (banjo playing) ♪ c,mon bo! this is a before picture of bogart. such a big boy. pre-portioned packs makes it really easy to keep him lean and healthy. and look at him now. he's like a show dog. [silence] bogue, can you give daddy a break here? he's having a hard enough time. ahead. like to not just

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dancing in the par... (high pitched sound) (high pitched sound) (high pitched sound) >> moving forward. >> the white house press. >> pool will be determined by. >> the white. >> house press team. a select group. >> of d.c. >> based journalists should no longer have. a monopoly. >> over the privilege. >> of press access at the white house. all journalists. outlets and voices deserve a seat at this highly coveted table. >> so by deciding. >> which outlets make. >> up. >> the limited press. pool on a day to day basis, the white house will be restoring power back to the american. people who president trump was elected. >> to serve. >> so the. >> white house. >> press pool is a small. group of seasoned. journalists based

in the nation's capital, who report on the president's daily schedule. handpicking, which outlets get intimate access to the president, would give the administration more control over how it is covered historically. the members of the white house press pool had been chosen on a rotating basis by the white house correspondents association, a century. >> old. >> group representing the journalists on the white house beat. the responded to the change in a statement, writing in part, this move tears at the independence of a free press in the united states. it suggests the government will choose the journalists who cover the president in a free country. leaders must not be able to choose their own press corps. this comes as a federal judge declined to issue a temporary restraining order against the white house for denying the associated press full access in covering the administration, the ap was barred indefinitely from.

>> the oval. >> office and air force one because of its refusal to change its style on the gulf of mexico after president trump renamed it the gulf of america. this isn't the first time the trump white house has attempted to limit press access. back in 2018, it temporarily suspended the press credentials of cnn's jim acosta for what the white house called behaving disrespectfully. a u.s. district judge later forced the white house to reinstate acosta's press credentials. mike barnicle, your thoughts? >> you know. >> there's. >> a lot going on. >> here, and there's a lot going on in that story. and it's part of, i would think, a troika if you really pay attention to what's going on, intimidate the press, they're doing that kind of successfully co-opt the federal police force. the fbi, try and co-opt the military, the defense department, through an appointed secretary of defense who is totally unqualified to be

secretary of defense. i'm just saying pay attention to what's happening around us. >> yeah. >> and mike allen, the this is a real change in tradition, which will have, i think, a big response from members of the press corps. >> no question, because. jim vandehei and i are. >> up with a column. >> this morning. >> on trump's media. >> control strategy, pulling. >> back the camera. >> and looking. >> at the. >> fact that. >> this. >> is of a piece. >> with the lawsuits. >> with the control of workspace at the pentagon. with the actions. against ap. >> and just. >> around this table. >> off camera. >> we've. >> been talking about how. there's going. >> to. be a democratic president. >> and that's. >> one of the reasons you see some. >> conservative news organizations. >> backing up. fox backing. >> up ap, signing on. >> to protests of. >> how this is. >> being done. now. >> what the white house told us

for this column is we're trying to. >> open up. >> new opportunities. >> for people who think differently or doing things different. ways that the. >> old. >> system didn't serve people. and they. >> say, we're going to. >> be. >> responsible about. >> this, that. >> the legacy. >> traditional outlets. >> are going to be very represented. they say we. >> want the eyeballs. >> they. >> even in. >> our column, use the phrase. >> ratings bonanza. >> they say they want. >> to leverage. >> legacy outlets with. >> new. >> different maga. nonpartisan other outlets. >> but this is. >> a. massive change. look. >> peter and i have been walking into. >> those gates. >> for decades now. >> there was always. >> a certain way it was done. and mika, joe, one of the reasons was that the occupants. >> of those chairs, the. >> staff in there. >> thought the. >> institution is. >> bigger than us. >> the institution will go on. >> after us. >> we are holding these roles. >> in stewardship for the. >> people who came before. >> and after us.

>> that is not the mindset. >> of this crowd. >> well, and peter, it seems so shortsighted. again, you've been going in there and out of there for a very long time. i've been in washington on and off for 30 years, and, you know, you don't buy the place. you just rent it and it's not even yours at the end of the day. i remember walking around, forgive me for talking about my time in congress again, but i remember walking around during impeachment and talking to my fellow republicans on the floor. i said, you guys are talking and voting like there's never going to be another republican president. i think we better hold him to the same standard we would want a republican president to held to. well, that's the same thing here. i mean, we are seeing all these norms broken. and if republicans and if conservative outlets don't think, as mike said, that

when a democratic president comes in, he or she is going to do the same thing, they are sadly, sadly mistaken. first of all, there's a question of whether they can even do this. you remember when the white house tried to take jim acosta badge, white house badge, and a judge stepped in and said, no, not, not, not your decision to make. but talk about this, the short sightedness of this and also how it will be limiting to the white house actually getting its message out to voters all across the ideological spectrum. >> yeah, i think, first of all, the difference with the acosta thing in the first term was, at least on the surface, they said the reason they were taking his pass was decorum, in other words, that he had behaved badly at a news conference. we can argue about that. and whether, in fact, that was really the reason. but that at least was the stated reason, the reason that they have given as a stated reason to get rid of the associated press is very openly and overtly about content, about what they say in their coverage,

the fact that they won't use trump's preferred phrase, gulf of america. and they stick with the traditional phrase gulf of mexico, which is still recognized by most of the world. the fact that is the white house is saying, we will punish you. we will take something away from you if you don't conform your coverage to what we want it to be. so they can say it's all about opening up seats to other organizations, that's fine. i think most reporters there support that. the white house correspondents association for years has adapted and changed and admitted new and different types of media organizations in the pool already are liberal oriented, conservative oriented, as well as traditional legacy mainstream media. that's been true for years. fox is there. and i remember to your point about there is, you know, to mike's point about there will be a day where this president will will be used in a way that the trump white house might not want it to. i remember during the obama white house, when they tried to keep fox out of a press pool event, and the other reporters, all of us said, no,

that's not right, and basically forced the obama people to back down and say, if you're going to invite, you know, all of us and you have to invite all of us, you can't make a distinction based on an organization that you just don't like. and so i think you're right. they don't seem to understand that they want to be able to pick who asked the president questions. that goes against decades and decades of tradition. >> and the press office trying to sell this as an act of populism, giving power back to the people. and of course, as peter says, it just gives power to the administration to control the message. >> our next guest says right wing media is working to convince americans president trump is doing a good job, but a large part of the country remains unconvinced about that. the washington post's philip boehm joins us next with his latest reporting. morning joe latest reporting. morning joe weekend is [monologue] i got somebody for that! ♪♪

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not have to. >> be. >> approved. >> by the senate. >> that is republican congressman glenn grothman of wisconsin saying this is what every president does while he faces a hostile crowd of constituents. that was on friday. they, of course, concerned about federal layoffs and government cuts that affect them. he's not the only republican facing backlash. last week, several house lawmakers in red states like texas, georgia and oklahoma also had their town hall meetings turn contentious. when doge and elon musk came up. now, many republicans are asking for a more considerate approach to the way the trump administration is handling those doge cuts, adding to some of the frustration, republicans have been given a little heads up about doge's moves, nor have they been given any messaging guidance. let's bring in columnist of the washington post, philip bump, his latest piece, which discusses some of these confrontational town halls, is titled the right wing media machine is hitting a wall. phil, it's always good to have you on the show. so let's talk

about this moment, which we're seeing really spill out into some of these town hall meetings, frustration of why is this guy we didn't vote for coming in and taking all of our jobs and firing us willy nilly and wielding that chainsaw. how does that factor into what the you call the right wing media machine is doing? >> yeah. >> i think. >> it's. >> important to recognize. >> that those town. >> halls. >> are a rare moment. in which a. >> republican elected official. >> from washington, d.c, faces. >> exposure to something outside of the universe of media coverage that the right dominates. right. >> and we've long talked. >> about the fact that the right has its own media. >> infrastructure. >> and it exists in this bubble. >> one of. >> the. >> things that's. >> happened over the. >> course. >> of the past several months with trump's return to washington, is. >> that it. >> has enveloped. d.c. as well, that the right wing bubble. >> now. >> controls d.c. >> and. >> the federal. >> government in. >> a way. >> that it didn't usually. >> and so. for republican legislators. >> who rely upon what's. >> happening in fox news or. rely upon. >> what's happening on. >> twitter for. information and. >> for an understanding of what the. >> base is agitated. >> about. >> they are. >> hearing a. >> whole.

>> different set. >> of things. >> that is reinforced. >> within that. >> bubble that is different. >> than what a lot of americans are hearing. and we. >> talk about. >> trump's. >> you know. >> he's coming back and he's all chuffed up and he's feeling very bold. >> but he. >> won very narrowly. >> and there's. >> tens of millions of americans. >> who disagree with him and who don't. subscribe to that. >> universe of information. >> and that's. >> who glenn. >> grothman and other folks. >> are encountering. the people who are not. >> subject to that universe in which false. >> claims elevate very quickly and are spread rampant. >> and president trump, if you listen to him, says he comes in with one of the biggest mandates that any president has ever had. you know, and republicans obviously do control both houses of congress, though, do so very narrowly. so talk to us about how this right wing media, the bubble, reinforces the idea that could then lead to overreach. >> yeah. i mean, look. >> there is really remarkable the. >> extent to which it is also. >> self-reinforcing, right. >> so there are claims. >> that. >> are made. >> and jesse watters from fox news encapsulated it very, very accurately, i think, last week in which. >> he said that there are claims that are. >> made. >> in social media, and. >> elon musk retweets them. >> and joe. >> rogan puts them. >> on his podcast. and that's

been fox news. and by the time it gets. >> on fox news. millions of people have. >> heard them. and that's true. >> it's 100% true. the difference is that it used to be. >> the role of the media was to say, actually. >> we're not going to amplify fake things. we're not going to say, you know, oh, look, everyone's talking about this. if what they're talking about is false. and so the challenge. for republicans. >> not for. >> trump. >> because he exists. >> in this. >> universe and he helps create this. >> universe. >> but for republicans. >> who are responsible to constituents, is. that they. exist in a. >> world where they don't hear any of. >> the contrary information. >> they literally don't. >> they hear from their base. >> and they hear from. >> you know, their their colleagues and their. peers that this is how the. world is when that's not how the world is. and then they go out into the world and they learn how the world is, and it can be jarring. >> what are you talking about? jesse watters last week, he also talked about hearing from 20 year vet who served his country for 20 years, got a job at the pentagon and then got dodged. and of course, that came as a great surprise. and that's something that i saw when we were fighting to balance the

budget is, you know, a lot of people that were saying balance the budget, balance the budget, balance the budget. and as we were going there, time and again, you would hear from constituents who say, yeah, balance the budget. but you do understand you guys overstepped here or you overstepped there. and it's very different. when we were going through subcommittees and committees and then, you know, it was actually a more thought through process than just a guy holding up a chainsaw at cpac saying, i'm going to cut everything wildly. david drucker, i will tell you politically what what is just politically, what is fascinating about this is if you look at donald trump's poll numbers, he has gone down in some polls. but if you look at his rcp average, if you look at his 538 average, he's he's about he's about, you know, even 48, 48 maybe plus one one and a half about where he was during the election. not so for elon musk. i've seen one poll after another that shows elon musk upside down underwater. it's almost like

donald trump has created this political cocoon where so many of those people, those town hall meetings, so many people complaining to pollsters, they're complaining about elon musk, as if elon musk is doing this all on his own. but there is no doubt. you look at poll numbers and there is a divide now where elon musk seems to be taking on water politically, more so than donald trump. >> yeah. well, listen. you know, musk only operates. >> at the pleasure of. >> the president, but i think. >> this gets to the difficulty of trying to game. out the. political repercussions. >> of what musk is. >> doing in any district. >> as you know, a. >> strong republican. >> district or a. strong democratic district, there are tens of thousands of. >> voters that vote. >> the other way. >> they can flood town. >> halls and they can voice their opinions. what you're looking. >> for here. >> to see. if things are going to change is. >> whether or. >> not republican. voters in republican districts. >> are showing up at these town

halls. >> and complaining. >> about all. >> of the cuts that musk is. delivering or is promising to deliver. that's really what you. want to look at, because. >> donald trump. >> remains incredibly. strong with republican voters. and republicans. >> in congress are. >> going to be sort of loathe to. >> go against him. they're going. >> to be loathe to go against musk because of the media platform that he controls. unless they feel a real severe backlash. >> and look, part of this. >> isn't necessarily. >> the politics. >> of. what happened in. >> the election. >> as impressive. >> as trump's. >> trump's victory. >> was in terms of the demographic shift. >> and what happened. >> in the swing states. >> as philip said, it was narrow. >> up next, sarah hyland and ryan mccartan are the new daisy buchanan and jay gatsby in the broadway adaptation of the classic novel. they'll join us to tell us about their new roles when morning joe weekend comes when morning joe weekend comes right back. i'm not a doctor. i'm not even in a doctor's office.

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begun. >> oh my. >> green love. blinking. permission. sending a call. granting admission to follow a-rod. run. >> oh, god. >> my green light. >> that was sarah hyland. sarah, you can sing. oh my gosh. and ryan mccartan, who also can sing at the new york public library's centennial celebration of the f scott fitzgerald novel the great gatsby. last year, the book was turned into a broadway musical that has become a smash hit. hyland and mccartan recently started their run as daisy buchanan and jay gatsby in the stage adaptation of the all american classic, and sarah and

ryan join us now. also with us for the conversation, special correspondent at vanity fair, molly jong-fast. amazing. amazing to have you guys here. congratulations on this. >> thank you. >> you sound amazing. and, sarah, this isn't your first. you're like a broadway veteran. little shop of horrors, and now this. do you love it? i mean, we know her from modern family. yes. but how is how is bringing the great gatsby to life on stage for you? >> oh. >> my gosh. >> a dream. a dream come true. >> i love the theater so much. it's like a second home to me. and it's so wonderful to be back and to be with this amazing group of people, and to be able to have the opportunity and honor and privilege to play. >> such an iconic. >> character as daisy buchanan is just daunting and terrifying and delightful and exhilarating all at once. >> amazing. and ryan, you guys have great chemistry offstage, the two of them finishing each other's sentences, making crazy. >> sounds. and so. >> the read.

>> you picked. >> up on our. >> very major vibe. >> yeah, it's. >> a little. >> cray, right? >> absolutely. >> definitely. >> well. >> jay gatsby and. >> daisy. >> buchanan are a little. >> cray cray. >> yeah. >> so do you guys. >> do vocal exercises together to get ready for the show? >> oh, my god. >> no, but we should. >> we should. >> what are your vocal exercises? >> i'm bored. >> right now. >> yes. >> okay. >> what do you. sound like? >> i have a voice teacher, and we taped a whole exercise. and i have the same tape. >> what does it go like? >> you know, a big one for this. >> yeah. >> young. >> like what? >> young. >> young. >> young. i love it. >> it's like. >> it's deep in the voice. >> yes, exactly. >> yes. >> it's like. >> foam rolling. >> for your vocal cords. >> yeah. >> i like it. >> you should try that. >> i should. >> i should, molly. >> so you have. >> to sing the answers to my questions. no. >> i'm kidding. >> you guys. >> are warmed up, right? it should be fun. so great gatsby, it's one of those books. tell me

about your relationship with the text. >> do you want to go? >> i. >> i mean. >> i love the book. i, i. >> remember vividly having to read it as. >> a. >> sophomore in english. and, you know, something that we talk. about is that people think that they. >> remember the book. >> because they remember the romance and they remember the parties. >> and then. >> they come and see the show and, you know, spoiler. but then everyone kind. >> of dies. >> at the end, or at. least their dreams do. >> and people are like, oh. >> god. >> this is. >> a tragedy. it's like, yeah. >> f scott fitzgerald. >> wrote it to be a farce about. >> the. american dream. >> yeah. >> and but they what i. >> love about. >> our show is that it maintains the party in the romance as long as it physically can. and then it hits you with 20 minutes of gruesome, terrible plot. >> so it maintains. >> what people think they remember about the book, but then gives you what actually happens in. >> the. >> book without, like, beating it over your head and.

>> good answer. >> yeah. very good. >> i'm glad i threw that to you. >> yeah. >> very obviously, i might add. >> you want to go? so, sarah, tv versus broadway stage. the difference. what do you like better? what do you think? >> oh, goodness. >> everything about. >> don't give me that. like. the corner of my. >> eyes are all the. >> folks at home. >> look, i. >> the theater. >> is such. >> an experience. >> and a whirlwind. and not only do you create. >> a relationship. >> with everyone. >> backstage ensemble, creative team, all of the actors, all of the. >> dressers. >> the. >> feedback from the. >> audience. >> but also. >> the relationship with. >> the audience. >> and it's different. >> every. single night. >> and that is the joy of theater. >> and of. >> being an actor. >> and finding little. moments that you never. >> thought were there, just in the spur of the. >> moment because of the. >> energy and interaction with the audience and what they're giving you. >> and what you're. >> giving them is this intrinsic relationship. and so i love.

>> the theater. >> and television is wonderful. >> as well. >> yeah, but. >> the theater is. so it just feels so alive. >> yeah, yeah. >> it's jazz versus classical, i think. >> there you go. mom. >> when you. >> how different is your life doing theater versus doing television? like, how is this sort of just explain to us sort of how it's different. >> oh, a lot. >> more water. the most amount. >> girl. so much water. >> i wake. >> up three times. >> in the middle of the night between. >> shows. >> because we drink like a gallon. >> of water during. >> the show. >> yes, exactly. and so. >> a lot. >> of water. i get to sleep. >> in. >> and that's really nice. >> that's. that's a. nice difference. >> being an athlete. >> for sure. i mean, it's a, it's a marathon. >> whereas i think. >> this is. >> early for you in a way. >> yeah. yeah, yeah. >> i mean, we work. >> opposite hours. >> of everyone else.

>> yeah. >> work nights and weekends and holidays. >> yeah. >> that's when we work. and everyone else works monday through friday while we're. >> and it's hard. >> but once you get out there on that stage. right. it's just like. >> it is so infectious. >> and i mean, to. >> to piggyback. >> on what you. >> said, you know. >> with tv. and film. >> you do it and then. >> you watch it back and you say, oh man, i wish i could tweak that. >> with with theater. >> if there's. something that you want to do differently, you have 300 more chances because you're going to do it night. >> after night after night, and. >> you get to keep editing and keep finding. and that exhilaration. of being able to return. >> yeah. >> every time is just so perfect. >> so as i tease. >> out your great gatsby and we say goodbye, can you do a little john among young for me? you go. ryan. the broadway musical adaptation of the great gatsby is playing now at the. broadway theater. costar sarah hyland and ryan mccartan. come on, ryan, thank you. i'm sorry. >> i'm supposed. >> to keep going. >> yeah. >> time next time.

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>> thousands of usaid employees who have been fired or placed on leave packed up their belongings from the now closed headquarters yesterday. workers were given 15 minute windows to clear out their desks as the trump administration's dismantling of the agency moves into its final stages. some staffers seen weeping as they carried out bags and boxes of personal items from their time in public service. but as they left, they were met by hundreds of supporters who gathered outside with signs and messages of appreciation, including you and your mission mattered, joe. >> really, it is sad when you see especially what's happening with usaid and programs that have saved tens of millions of lives across the world and also, of course, increases america's soft power and makes us stronger by making the world healthier. i guess that's a concept republicans don't understand in

2025. it's very unfortunate and i believe, at least shortsighted. dave weigel, though, let's talk about doge in general and talk about elon musk at cpac with a chainsaw. your piece today reminds me of what i started to tell people who worked on my campaigns when i was in congress, because we would always start the campaign, obviously a year before election day. and it took me, you know, about a cycle to figure out. i would go to him and i'd say, what we do today, we are going to be running in 32nd spots the last week of the campaign. so look through that lens, get the message, get the visuals, etc, etc. your piece today basically says what's happening now is already defining what is going to be happening in elections in

2017 and most likely in 2018. and i guess in 2017, we have we have virginia, we've got new jersey, we've got some races, local races in the philly suburbs that always are are bellwethers talk about talk about your piece and how what we're already seeing early in this administration is going to define the outlines of the elections coming up. >> right. we don't have that many races this year, but the marquee race. >> in the first year of presidency. >> has been for a. >> while. >> the race for governor of virginia, the race for the house of delegates. >> attorney general, lieutenant. >> governor. >> one of the. >> worst places. >> in the. country to run. >> on. >> firing federal workers. >> for various and. >> overlapping reasons. >> the story. >> this week was. >> based on glenn. >> youngkin coming out and. >> putting out a. >> website for federal workers, encouraging federal workers. >> who are going through. >> disruptions and other. >> euphemisms to. >> find work. >> in the private sector. >> the website. >> linked out to linkedin and.

>> just mentioned some companies. >> that existed. >> in different regions of the state. it was put. >> together pretty quickly. >> it was. >> not very. convincing to democrats. >> who are not just against. >> doge. but very confident in a state with 145,000 federal employees, with many more people whose businesses rely on federal workers coming. >> to. >> spend money. at them, or family members benefiting from their. >> from. >> their spouses salaries. this is this has been a nightmare for republicans in virginia. and their answer. >> has been. >> don't worry, the private. >> you're going to find something else to do. and so i. >> talked to. abigail spanberger, the democrat running for governor. it's not that they are. >> gloating, and they're they're counting. >> the votes. >> already on this. >> they're just. >> very comfortable saying. >> we are the party. >> of a. >> federal government. >> that works. >> that employs lots. >> of people. >> that. >> has reliable union. >> jobs. >> that can. >> keep you. >> employed for your. >> entire career. >> and the other. party wants to throw you into the private. >> sector with. >> a. >> lot of. >> risk and with no real plan. >> it's a. >> huge gulf between. >> the parties. really bad for republicans. >> right now in virginia. >> you can. >> already see them this. >> week.

>> trying to turn attention to cultural. >> issues, trying to turn. >> attention to gender and. >> sports. >> because talking. about the value of firing all these federal. >> workers is not a winner. >> in virginia. >> certainly. that's something that i saw. it's not something that just spanberger is saying. i spent time at a town hall in virginia last night, and that is exactly what other virginia lawmakers are trying to make the point of. they see the chaos in washington. it is hitting them right at their front doorsteps. but look, many federal workers and medicaid recipients are expressing fear and concern at town halls across the country, not just in virginia. it's over those recent cuts and others, but a number of democratic voters are demanding more action from their elected leaders, too, especially when it comes to confronting elon musk. i was up late last night, way too late, and attended one of those town halls at a high school in virginia's 10th congressional district, currently represented by democrat suhas subramanyam. about 200 residents gathered there to ask multiple versions of essentially the same question, what is going on in washington?

>> the email that came out wanting us to. >> justify our. >> jobs with five things we did last week was on saturday night, and i was literally working on saturday night to make up for all the distractions i had had the previous week, which came from the executive branch. and so i'm working, trying to catch up on things, and then i get that email on top of it. it's very hard to keep your train of thought when you're getting threatened and harassed like that. >> i mean, everyone is on pins and needles. there are tenured professionals that are, you know, maybe within months of retirement. but, you know, they they're trying to stick it out for everyone else and be brave. and the jobs that we do, i support the defense department and the jobs that we do are so stressful. and to have this on top of it, i mean, i know that that's their goal is to make it miserable. so the people that are staying and fighting, i, i just can't thank them enough. how does that feel like. >> how. >> does it feel your sense of

service for you personally? >> i'm devastated. i'm devastated. i'm i. >> feel so bad for my colleagues. >> and don't forget. >> about my colleagues. >> that. >> are overseas. >> and they. >> don't even. >> know how. >> they're. >> getting home and they're just. being terminated. >> they're just being. >> shown the door. >> and wherever. >> they land. >> that's that's all. >> that's it. >> i mean. >> i'm taking a very big risk by being. >> interviewed. >> but at. >> this point, you have to. >> stand up and you have to talk. and you. >> have to take a stand. >> is there any amount of enough that would be good enough from democrats on the hill? >> what do you mean by enough? >> what could they. >> do that would feel sufficient? >> i don't feel enough. >> i feel like what they're doing is sending out these. text messages. >> you know, saying, oh my god, we've got to do. >> x, because. >> this is happening. >> i, i am retired, i can't. >> throw money unless i know. >> what.

>> the. >> money is. >> going to. >> be used for. i think rather than throwing money, it seems like the entire democratic campaign was. run that way. and i think what we need to do is to say, here's what we're doing. >> ali, some absolutely fascinating insights from people that were at that town hall meeting last night. there was one line that stuck out to me, where one of one of the federal workers said to you, i know their goal is to make us miserable. that actually, that's a perfect i mean, that that reflects exactly what the current omb director, russell vought, wrote or said last fall, which is our goal basically, is to traumatize these people and make them think that everybody hates them so they won't want to show up to work. he said that that's the intended goal. and it

is interesting that these federal workers are actually just echoing what he wrote last fall, that that that the intended effort to traumatize these federal workers and make them afraid to go to work seems to be working. >> message fully received. and it's something that i heard from them, not just in the way that they talk about the environment in their workplace, but also you and i have all been to enough of these events. you bring a camera, people get a little nervous. they say, oh, i don't want to talk on camera. the reason was different this time when i was approaching these federal workers who in some cases had been fired in other cases, know that today is friday, and they assumed they'd probably be laid off today. there is such anxiety and concern about their own financial well-being, their own ability to also to continue serving the american public. so that's definitely a palpable concern that i heard the anxiety. one woman that we even heard from there told me she called her doctor to get on anti-anxiety medication because

the harassment and the barrage of emails has been so aggressive. but i would also put a note here, that last constituent that we heard from there, there's potential for this to harm republicans for the reasons that we've talked about. but there's also a potential problem here for democrats that i picked up on the fact that constituents are coming to these town halls begging them to do something, but they don't necessarily have the ability to potentially do enough. this is a frustration, susan, that i have heard consistently. so, yes, democrats could have a problem here, but republicans also seem to be recognizing it because gop senators met yesterday with musk and basically said, please give us some way to talk to you about what you're doing here. >> lots more risk. >> for the republicans ahead. >> though, with the. >> administration is, is going to do because we see no indication that they are not going to continue with big layoffs, efforts to reduce the federal workforce. in fact, even the judge's decision yesterday, which is seen as encouraging, is temporary. it said opm didn't have the right to fire them. it didn't say that nobody had the right to fire them. so they are

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have seen other republicans sort of now begin to sense the feel a sense of alarm, their constituents upset by what's going on, trying to talk to trump, trying to talk to musk. to this point, the president has offered nothing but support for the doge head. how do you see this? this is fundamentally changing american's relationship with government. and now as these cuts are being felt, including, let's be clear, among in red states, among trump voters, you know, where do you see this going next? >> well, i think, you know, in assigning blame, you're right, i think in this regard. but i think people want folks to fight. they want to fight for what are your values? what are you fighting for? are you fighting for us? and i think that that's. that's legitimate. that's a legitimate concern. look, i think i'm also worried about the fact that, you know, only when it hurts you. are you now concerned you were okay with certain policies that would hurt other communities? now that has come home to roost. people are are angry. i so i want to i want to tap that selfishness at the root of that perhaps. but i think there are two things that

i want to say really quickly. one, of course, we have to be mindful of the human cost. people have been talking about efficiency and waste and big government and the like. we're seeing the human cost here that families are struggling. people have to pay mortgage. they have to send their kids to college. they're worried about how they're going to put food on the table, expensive food on the table. and folks are just kind of with the chainsaw cutting. but also we've got to widen the aperture. what is the conversation about our obligations to each other? i don't know what the social good is in this country. i don't know what the baselineations americans have to each other and how government represents that. we shredded the social safety net since the 1980s. right. what are our obligations to our elderly? what are our obligations to the poor? what's the role of government in ensuring that these baseline values are evidenced in our relationship to each other? and as we are engaging in this kind of, shall we say, bull in a china shop approach to federal government, there's no conversation about who we are as americans and how the federal

government represents those values. >> yeah, and it seems to me that on so many issues, you actually do have some democratic leaders that don't want to talk about some of the extraordinary things the united states has done. and yes, i will go there. u.s. aid usa does aid does so much for not only people all across the world, but also for america's own self interest. so this whole idea, we're not going to give any money out in foreign aid anymore. and when it's such a small percentage of the budget, but it pays us back in so many ways, is, is just is extraordinary. david drucker, an interesting thing happened yesterday. i say interesting because it's something that people like scott galloway and yes, i will say myself have been saying democratic leaders have had to do for a very long time. it's been a concern for several years, and scott always talks about it. again. i talk about it in this show. we've talked about

it. young men have been falling further and further behind. yesterday, gretchen whitmer gave a speech and is going to sign an executive order that that talks about doing more to help with the disparities that are occurring with young men. and she said this, my message tonight goes out to young people, but especially to young men. i know it's hard to get ahead right now, but i promise you, no matter how hard life might get, there's always a way out and a way up. the last thing any of us want is a generation of young men falling behind their fathers and grandfathers. i've heard most about this issue from moms who love their sons and are worried about them. and then she goes on and she lays out all the disparities for young men getting jobs, young men in college versus women. this goes on and on. you've written a piece talking about how this is, in fact, just as scott galloway and many others

predicted, this is a reality that democrats have ignored for too long. according to young men who again broke pretty hard to for donald trump in this last election. talk about what you found. >> yeah. >> it's very interesting, joe. you know. >> for. >> people our age, sometimes we may look at the complaints coming from. >> young men. >> and we may dismiss them. >> not maybe. >> not everybody does, but some of us. >> might, because we. >> all. remember growing up not always having enough money or not always getting the girl or not always getting the job we want. but as i learned from talking to democrats as well as demographic specialists and others who have been talking to young men over the past couple. >> of years. >> and we're talking now, you know, young men from ages 18 to 29, but. particularly 18 to 24, who were particularly impacted by the pandemic. >> these young. >> men have. experienced just. >> a much different. >> world than. >> we did. right. >> so if you came up. >> in the late 60s, 70, 80 and

90, there was a sense of possibility, no matter what your difficulties were, if you came up in the 21st century, you have the 911 terrorist attacks, you have the. >> great recession, and. >> then you have the coronavirus pandemic. and all of that has left men feeling as though. they cannot do as well as their. parents did as their fathers did. >> and then there's. >> this extra. >> little thing here. >> and, you know, i spoke to richard reeves, who runs the american institution for men and boys, and he. >> talked about. >> just this little fact that right around 2015, 2016. >> is when the. >> term toxic masculinity entered. the lexicon. >> you know. >> this this. >> can be a. >> politically charged term. >> i know. >> a lot of people. >> will have opinions about. >> this. but what this sort of has. >> added up to for. >> many men is this idea that they can't. just be men. >> be boys. >> joke around, not be misogynist, not be rude, but just be masculine. >> that there is something inherently. wrong with them because of.

>> just who they are. and donald trump and j.d. vance both spoke to that in a particular way, in part because of who they are, in part because of how trump acts. but the message received by these men was simply, it's okay to be who you are. there's nothing wrong with you for doing that. and that is always a huge political winner. and that's why there was such a jump in support for trump among young, young men compared to 2020 and in fact, compared to all democratic presidential nominees, at least going back to the beginning of the century. >> up next, democratic governor kathy hochul of new york joins us for a conversation on an update with her fight on donald trump over congestion pricing. >> kids. >> i'm sure. >> you're wondering why your. >> mother and i asked you. >> here tonight. it's because it's. >> a. >> buffet of all you can eat butterfly. >> shrimp and. >> sirloin steak. >> yeah. >> that is the reason. >> i thought it's because i. >> made varsity. >> you did?

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according to the new york times. it's the most concrete sign yet that he is preparing to jump into the race in the coming days. cuomo resigned from the governor's office back in 2021 amid a sexual harassment scandal. house minority leader congressman hakeem jeffries of new york was asked about a likely cuomo campaign. >> andrew cuomo is potentially going to jump into the mayor's race as early as this week. >> you've seen at. >> least one of your colleagues here on the. hill endorse him. you called for him to resign a few years ago. should he. >> be engaging in. >> the mayor's race? >> i haven't had a conversation with governor cuomo. >> at this point. i do. >> look. >> forward to speaking with. >> him sooner. >> rather. than later. >> if, in fact. >> he's going to. jump into the mayor's. >> race and then. >> we'll take it from there. >> would it be good for new york. >> if you did? >> i think it'd be. a candidate that a lot of people. >> as i've heard from the district that. >> i represent. would be very interested. >> in checking out. >> very interested in checking out. let's bring in new york's

democratic governor, kathy hochul. governor, great to have you here. so much to talk to you about your meeting. what do you think about the idea of former governor cuomo being the mayor of new york city? >> my job is the governor of the state is to work with whomever the voters select as their candidate, their nominee for mayor. i've worked with bill de blasio. i've worked with mayor adams. my job is to work closely, unlike the past, when it seemed like they always had to be. this inherent battle between albany and new york city. i reject that, and the people are better served when they have a governor who's willing to try and help the city, which i've been doing. >> do you think cuomo would be a good mayor? >> god only knows. who knows? we'll see, we'll see. and i don't know if that's going to be the case either. so a lot a lot of unknowns. but my view is my job is to work with whoever the voters want. >> so, governor, speaking of the current mayor of new york city, eric adams, last week, you put some guardrails in place to limit his power. we know that the mayor is been under investigation, has received some sort of deal from the trump doj. do you feel like right now you

have left you you had the option to start a process to remove him from power? you opted not to. what would change your mind? could you revisit that decision? >> certainly. and it's an extraordinary power to think that one individual can use her judgment and say that you've lost the public trust. and so it's not one that you take lightly. but i also know there's a lot of people in the city who are very concerned about the influence of the trump administration in our city. they're trying very hard to have control over everything, not just immigration, but even how i control the traffic in new york. so this is a concern, not people are outraged. people are very concerned about this, worried. but i said, if i can get some controls in place to give me line of sight into budget investigations, legal, and this all has to be approved by the city council, i can't even unilaterally do those controls. i was just trying to create some safeguards so people can dial down the temperature a little bit. and just like i had to do last fall, calm it down and just let people know that we're fighting for them, working for them. and not all this drama that seems to be just so

prevalent all the time. new yorkers are just getting exhausted. joe. jump in. >> you know, governor, you talked about traffic and we've had congressman mike lawler on who i think wants your job. and he's been he's been he he's been very critical of congestion pricing your role in it i know donald trump also has tried to get involved in traffic patterns in new york city. would love for you to respond to those criticisms from congressman lawyer lawler, as well as pushback from donald trump on congestion pricing. and is it working? >> well. first of all, i'd be happier if someone like a mike lawler and his six colleagues in congress, the republicans, instead of making sure that we have people in our state without health care taking away thousands of individuals, millions of individuals right to be able to get chemo treatments and insulin and to be able to get the health care they need like they voted on the other day

saying, we don't care about medicaid. i'd rather they focus on that. but let me get back to congestion pricing. >> governor. governor, can i since you talked about that, i'm really glad you talked about that, because this is a common misconception among republicans. and i know because i used to be one, most republicans don't understand how much rural health care is, is, is controlled, is powered by is, is supported by medicaid. hospitals are shutting down when their medicaid cuts providers massively under, under under served in rural communities like upstate new york and areas where i lived in upstate new york. medicaid often is where people send their parents in upstate new york if they need long term care. and so i am curious. you look at a map of america, and you see the dark blue spots where medicaid is used. upstate new york is one of

those places. i'm wondering, what would these medicaid cuts that republicans are promising right now? what would these medicaid cuts do to people who lived in communities like i lived in in upstate new york? >> joe, you hit on something that is so profound is that the red parts of even new york and across america, these are the people are going to be hit hardest by what the republican members of congress did, and by drinking the kool-aid and not even questioning the merits of destroying a program that so many of their own constituents, their own constituents, rely on. if you go back memory lane, 2011 i got elected to congress in the most republican district in the state of new york, large swaths of upstate new york. you know how i did that? the paul ryan budget came out and declared war on medicare, and i was able to take that as a long shot democrat that no one thought i had a chance to win and weaponized that and say, you did this. these seniors up in in wyoming county and orleans

county, in niagara county, you've heard the health care system. you made sure this little child who's got leukemia can never get get treatment again because now their insurance company can drop them. that's how i won by a fairly good margin in a district that i had no chance. that's what we have to remember. these republicans need to own that vote starting now. show up at their offices and say, if you ask what the impact is, joe, i have rural hospitals on the verge of collapse. doctors don't want to go there, but that does not mean i don't have high pockets of poverty. i have people who have major dental problems. i'm trying so hard to eradicate this, and i've got my own republicans from new york working against me, against their constituents. this is all about basic health care, maternal health care. this is about getting your insulin treatments. this is about trying to take care of your cancer. and this is about your grandma and grandpa and maybe your parents sitting in a nursing home, because that's the largest expense for medicaid. so that's what they need to own. as i've said before, joe, they break it, they own it. and you now own this. >> and we're going to get to congestion pricing. i just want

to finish on one thought that again, i don't think most republicans that voted this way know. or if they do know, man, it sure is a vote against their own constituents. if they're from rural areas and they represent upstate new york and rural america, almost 50% of children get their health care through medicaid. about 20% of adults under the age of 65 get their health care from medicaid. more people, especially children, a higher percentage of children and adults get their health care in rural america from medicaid than do people in urban areas. so they are specifically going after their own constituents, whether it's upstate new york, whether it's upstate in michigan. i mean, it is it is it's remarkable that they're voting against their own constituents interests.

>> and i'm very happy to remind their constituents of that very fact that their own elected leaders have betrayed them and everything that was promised. remember how on day one of the trump administration, prices are going to go down? you know what the cost of eggs is in new york city are? if you can even find them, you can't find them. it's it went up 40% since donald trump was elected. so instead of going down, they're going up even higher. so people are starting to wake up. they're saying, wait a minute, this is not this is not what i thought i was voting for. yeah. and it's happening even sooner than i thought. >> coming up, as the trump administration prepares to levy tariffs on two of its closest trading partners, politico's jonathan martin talks about his new piece on how one of them could thwart trump's plans. morning joe weekend will be morning joe weekend will be right back. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... ...being me. keep being you... ...and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v

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mafia. a john goes on to write. ontario premier doug ford was joined at the national governors association in washington by the premier of nova scotia, as well as canada's ambassador to the united states, kirsten hillman. other provincial leaders, as well as federal ministers, have regularly been in and out of washington on air canada since the election. meeting privately with trump aides and lawmakers of both parties. kudos to you for getting in tim hortons. you got to have it in any piece about canada. it's got to include it. so what do they feel like? what is the sincere level of panic inside canada? we've seen all the 51st state stuff from president trump. we've heard canadians booing the national anthem at hockey games. but when you cut through all that, what is the level of concern from people who actually can make a difference here? >> it's significant. >> i've covered. >> the nba. >> for the. >> last. >> 15 years. >> i don't think i've missed.

>> one in that period of time. i can never. remember any canadian presidents at. >> the. national governors. >> meeting, let alone the extent. >> of what i saw over. >> the weekend here. and there's. a couple of things going on. >> look, first of all, there is real. concern about trump going through with these blanket tariffs. >> next month. >> and what that would do to the economy of canada. but the other thing is there's a fractured response because there's not a stable federal government. >> right now. >> in ottawa because trudeau is stepping down. the liberals are about to elect a new leader in march. and then obviously there's going to be a general election. so a lot of this work is being done by the individual provinces, which are kind of like our states on steroids. they have a lot. >> more power. >> than our states do. so you've got not just the federal. >> government and. >> obviously the. ambassador in washington, but. >> you also have really. >> these individual. >> provinces. >> some more conservative, some more liberal, who are doing their own lobbying, literally have hired separate washington lobby shops to do their work and are just blanketing the

governors. meeting capitol hill. any trump aide who will give them an audience, they'll talk to. and the. message is, we're your friend. a you know us like we do business together. the premier. of ontario, doug ford, who i wrote, could be played by. john candy or chris farley in the movie, is a really fascinating guy. he's toting this. 25 page document around which talks about. >> how. >> ontario alone. >> is like the biggest trading partner for like a dozen states in the us. so they want to. know that this. >> is a matter. >> of a friendship, but also be. >> business. >> willie. >> that you. >> guys sell us goods. we sell you goods. why would you want to screw that up? >> why would you want to screw that up? and yet you also hear from that same minister that you're talking about, that he talks to republicans and republicans say, yeah, i'm with you. this isn't a good idea. there's plenty of governors who look at the way that their states do business, who say, i'm with you, too. this doesn't work for my bottom line. >> yeah. >> and in fact. >> it's. >> pretty easy to find senators, governors. >> of.

>> both parties who are deeply. uneasy about the idea of a trade war with canada, in part because of the retaliatory tariffs. let's take, for example, andy beshear, the governor of kentucky. mitch mcconnell, rand paul, the two senators, they're deeply concerned about the. canadians slapping tariffs on bourbon. and that is already become a sort of subplot in this is the canadian effort to block us booze and to sort of, you know, tariff it. that would be. devastating for the economy in parts of kentucky. so we're already hearing about the kind of pushback that the canadians could inflict. on us by by tariffing our goods. >> still ahead, it's been nearly 11 years since malaysia airlines flight 370 went missing, but a new search effort is underway, hoping to provide answers as to what happened. we'll explain why it might be different this time. >> that's $225 for the night.

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malaysia airlines boeing 777 was traveling from. >> kuala lumpur to beijing. >> when all contact was lost over open water roughly halfway between malaysia and the southern tip of vietnam. >> the plane left kuala lumpur at. 12:40 a.m. saturday. the red eye flight to beijing with 239 passengers and crew on board. among them american. phillip wood. >> an. >> ibm executive. but 1 to. >> 2 hours into the flight at 35,000ft. air traffic controllers lost contact. >> with the plane somewhere. >> over the gulf of thailand. >> so that. >> was the lead story from nbc nightly news nearly 11 years ago. march 8th, 2014. reporting on the mysterious disappearance of malaysia airlines flight mh370. back in 2015, fragments described as definitely or almost certainly from the plane were found washed ashore on the french territory of reunion island and the east coast of africa. but to date, there have been no real answers as to what

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>> physicians mutual. physicians mutual. >> so you're. >> the mighty. >> ted black. >> we're about. >> to. >> be the largest firm. >> in the city. >> having the best attorney in the country. and i can prove it to you right now. >> are we going to fight? >> we're going to dance. what's that? the new deal. >> you don't represent me. >> i need someone with confidence. and you just seem. a little sheepish to me. >> it's different. >> out here. >> people lie. >> they do. >> whatever they can to win. >> i know. >> what you're. >> thinking of doing. once you do it, there's no going back. >> the fast talking and backstabbing legal world of suits. it's back. almost six years after the conclusion of the original series, which was set in new york, the new spin off suits la is set on the

opposite coast with a new cast of characters and a whole lot of drama. it stars actor stephen amell, who portrays ted black, a former federal prosecutor from new york who has reinvented himself and now represents some of the most powerful clients in los angeles. and stephen joins us now. thank you so much for being here. congratulations on this. let's just start with the phenomenon that is suits a hit when it came out became a tidal wave during the pandemic. it became such a comfort food. people rediscovered it for the first time. rediscovered it a true phenomenon. so talk to us about the sort of pressure, i guess, that comes with that to continue the story. >> oh, if i thought about that. >> i don't think. >> that i would get much sleep. >> i focus on making sure that my cast is happy, the directors. >> are. >> happy, the creator. >> of the show is happy. >> and i let all of the other. stuff take. >> care of itself. >> because, i mean, you can't really. i mean. >> how would you deal with. >> this too much? yeah. talk to us about what drew you, though,

to the project? well. >> i mean, i'm an actor, right? >> so i wasn't working on anything. >> at the time. >> and it was. >> early 2024. so it's just about a year ago now. and this audition came up. i think. >> i was. >> mostly excited just to have. >> an audition in person between just being busy and then with. >> everything. >> that happened with the pandemic, i don't think i'd been in a room to audition in quite some time. so tell us about ted black. no spoilers, of course, but talk to us about your character. and as you alluded to, the remarkable cast you get to play with. >> so he's. >> a former federal. >> prosecutor from new york that. leaves new york under some not so great circumstances and then finds himself in los angeles working entertainment law. and then he's surrounded by, you know, a whole group of great lawyers. there's erica, played by james stewart, played by josh mcdermitt, amanda, played by maggie grace, rick, played by bryan greenberg. the list is long. all right, well, here's a clip where your character finds himself in a

pretty difficult situation with the future of the firm at risk. let's take a look. >> 40. >> it was stuart, wasn't it? >> you couldn't have seen it coming. >> what did we lose? every senior. >> member of every department except sports and entertainment. >> look. >> ted, give me a minute to think. what is there to think about? we need to file an injunction. if we do that. >> the entire town will know we're weak. >> we will be dead in a year. >> and if we can't stop the. >> bleeding. >> we'll be dead in. >> a month. >> i'm not losing my firm. okay? >> who left? >> whose clients we absolutely. >> cannot afford. >> to lose. litvack. johnson and riley. okay. i want signed. >> contracts from every client by the end. >> of the day. and you call erica. tell her to get in here and start helping now. >> for fans of the original, some of this is going to sound familiar. the pacing, the smart, snappy dialog. but talk to us about the difference. how is it going to be different from what came before? >> well, how different. >> is los. >> angeles from. >> new york? very, very. >> i don't. >> think that. >> ted and his coworkers are

gonna be going out. to get hot. dog stands. i don't. know if. >> there are hot dog stands. >> where are drive thrus? >> maybe drive. >> thrus, maybe, like green smoothies? i don't know, just very different. i think entertainment. law is something that hasn't really been explored. i think people have an idea of what corporate. >> law is like. but entertainment. >> law, you know, people think that managers and agents and to some extent actors are the ones that have the power and the entertainment business. it's not them. it's the it's the lawyers. it's the lawyers. yeah. no, we've learned that the hard way at times. >> that's it for us this saturday. but we're back at 6 a.m. tomorrow morning. for more of the big conversations from this past week until then, thank you so much for watching. >> good morning. >> it is saturday, march 1st. i'm alicia menendez with sanders thompson and michael steele here in washington, dc today. the