>> there are hot dog stands. >> where are drive thrus? >> maybe drive. >> thrus, maybe, like green smoothies? i don't know, just very different. i think entertainment. law is something that hasn't really been explored. i think people have an idea of what corporate. >> law is like. but entertainment. >> law, you know, people think that managers and agents and to some extent actors are the ones that have the power and the entertainment business. it's not them. it's the it's the lawyers. it's the lawyers. yeah. no, we've learned that the hard way at times. >> that's it for us this saturday. but we're back at 6 a.m. tomorrow morning. for more of the big conversations from this past week until then, thank you so much for watching. >> good morning. >> it is saturday, march 1st. i'm alicia menendez with sanders thompson and michael steele here in washington, dc today. the

aftermath of that disastrous oval office meeting between trump and zelensky, including new reaction overnight from the ukrainian president. plus, elon musk's doge sends out another email. >> demanding federal. >> employees defend. >> their accomplishments. >> the former director. >> of one of the agencies targeted is here to speak out. and a stunning visual boxes loaded onto air force one, with the president. >> claiming they. >> contain the documents once seized by the fbi. grab your coffee. settle in. welcome to the weekend. >> honey. donald trump is turning diplomacy into reality television in front of cameras. trump and vice president j.d. vance made a choice to berate ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky in the oval office yesterday. what was meant to be a negotiation over ukraine's rare earth minerals quickly

turned into a diplomatic disaster. >> mr. president, with respect, i think it's disrespectful for you to come into the oval office and try to litigate this in front of the american media. you should be thanking the president for trying to bring an end to this conflict. >> into ukraine, that you say what problems we have. >> i have been to one. >> i have. >> not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now with us. you start having cards. cards? right now you don't. you're playing. >> cards. >> you're playing cards. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war three. >> this moment is yet another reminder. trump is scolding the leader of a country that was invaded. trump has never publicly scolded vladimir putin, the invader. he actually said in the meeting that he can't criticize vladimir putin and try to cut a deal, but he had no problem criticizing president zelensky. this is just a week after trump called zelensky a dictator again, a false claim that there's russian propaganda. joining us now to discuss it all is former republican

congresswoman barbara comstock of virginia and evelyn farkas, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia. she's now the executive director of the mccain institute. >> evelyn, i just can't even begin to level up the embarrassment, the sheer hubris and stupidity of what we witnessed. i'd like to finish a thought that president zelensky tried to convey to little wunderkind j.d. vance when they were talking about, when he was trying to help them understand, if we get this wrong, you will feel the influence of bad decisions. let's take a listen to what he had to say about that. >> during the war. everybody has problems, even you. but you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the

future. god bless you. god bless you. god bless you. >> don't tell us what we're going to feel. we're trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we're going to feel. >> i'm not telling you. >> because you're in no position to dictate that. >> remember. >> you're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. we're going to feel very good. we're going to feel very good and very strong. >> will feel influenced. >> you're right now not in a very good position. >> it speaks to the ignorance of the man in the red tie that he didn't understand exactly how that conversation started. you're isolated, america. you're surrounded by two oceans, right? but even that, if. >> you get this. >> wrong, if. you if you allow russia to have control, the way you're setting this up, you will feel the other side of that. speak to that if you could, just to help people in the white house understand how to do foreign policy. >> yeah. i mean, i. >> was in munich. >> the speech that. >> really mattered was president zelensky's. speech because he said the same thing. he said,

europe, if we get rolled over, are you ready? same question applies. >> to the united. >> states, because if europe is not ready, vladimir putin and president. >> xi. >> we have to understand they are not separate. they are working together. they will come for us because sphere of influence doesn't mean that you can't fend off the big power. the big power is always going to try to take you over. if there's no international system to protect you, no. rules and no allies working with you, meaning the europeans. >> will have been, you know. >> decimated by putin, now, we don't want to over, over emphasize how strong. >> putin is today because he's very. >> weak today, which is why we could have a deal if president trump played this, frankly, better than he played it yesterday. >> i think the whole thing just seems so myopic, right? the idea that. >> the most important. >> thing is having expressed gratitude. which just. >> for. >> the record, let's. >> play some sound. >> of president zelensky. >> expressing. >> his gratitude. >> to this country. >> i think every american family

i thank president biden and both parties. i'm very thankful to american people. thank you. your team, congress. i like to thank american partners for the support, and i'm very grateful to all americans. we deeply appreciate that ukraine and america have stood side by side. thank you so much, mr. president. thank you for invitation. so thank you very much. >> so that seems. >> pretty grateful. >> maybe he. >> wrote a. >> thank you note afterwards. >> he said thank you on the socials afterward. but the. >> fact that. >> republicans came out. >> and made. >> it about. >> that. >> made it about who was rude. >> and who wasn't. >> not is america. >> safer today. >> than we. >> were yesterday. >> kind of gives. >> away. >> the whole game. >> oh. >> of course it does. >> i mean. >> listen, what this showed. was that j.d. vance and donald trump are on putin's side, period. and

it really was a disgraceful performance at a time. >> when. >> we need leadership. and it's really amazing that. >> you saw. >> all these european countries. >> you know, 30 countries. >> immediately, you know. >> speak out and come. >> to the aid of ukraine. and you have i mean, i'm. >> president of. >> the former. >> members association, former members. >> bipartisan. >> you know. >> are very. >> much in. >> support of ukraine. we gave our annual award to the people. of ukraine to express. >> that support. >> we are. >> working, you know. to have, you know. >> exchange programs. >> with the. >> former members of the. >> parliament of ukraine. >> so this. >> is something where. >> there and the members of. >> congress. >> many of the silent. >> ones. >> they have supported this. you had 300 votes in the house last year, bipartisan. >> support in the senate. >> so it is disgraceful. >> the performance. >> we saw. >> yesterday a low. in congress. but now i think europe understands that they are going

to have to it's going to be their finest moment. i think they're going to come together. you know, donald trump wants to be isolationist. >> he's fighting. >> with canada. he's fighting. >> with mexico. >> he doesn't like that. he said, who are the dumb people who made. that deal with canada and mexico? he signed. >> it. >> you know, i mean, he. >> is you. >> know, he doesn't know what he's done. you know, he's asking, you know, and j.d. vance is sitting there thinking, you haven't thanked us. he didn't support the, you know, the you know, the deal for ukraine. >> he didn't vote for that. >> and marco rubio, who was slinking. >> into that. >> couch. >> he couldn't have been more uncomfortable. >> he didn't. >> vote for the last package either. >> so the people who were sitting there, you know, president zelensky was being very polite to and thanking them. but he stood up for his country. he stood up for democracy. and all those european. >> countries who are. >> now standing up for him are the same people who are standing up for us after 911. and donald trump doesn't know any of that history.

>> none of it. look, some of my republican friends are like, zelensky needs to apologize. some of my republican friends are like, oh, i can't believe he went into the oval office like that. and that's the face i had. i was just like, what do you mean? he needs to apologize. the oval office is a place where you have tough conversations, right? that is not zelensky's first time in the oval office, where he has had a terse exchange with an american president. there were many of those with president biden. i do think that that is the first time he's been in the oval office, where that exchange has happened, in front of the cameras, where he was berated and belittled and humiliated as though he was the person that invaded russia. when, of. >> course, trump's. >> been lying about it. >> so he went into. >> that meeting. >> with trump, lying about who. invaded who. >> and lying about how. >> much money the us had given and. >> who gave more. >> when, you. >> know. by a factor of what. >> three he's been saying. >> 300 billion, which you know nothing of the sort. and, you know, donald trump was fact

checked. by president macron and. >> and. >> and others just this week. so trump has been lying, as he so frequently does from the. oval office. and many of us have had to fact check him in the past. i had an. >> experience to do. >> that myself. >> and he. >> does not like. >> that. >> the minerals deal. maybe. maybe, i don't know. i was just a comms person. okay, but i thought that the minerals deal that wasn't a minerals person. i don't fancy myself as an economist like the chairman here. i was just a commerce person and my comms person understanding of what is going on here, that the minerals deal was literally ukraine and the united states basically signing an mou so that american companies can mine these minerals in their country. i would know where the minerals are. i'm told. >> some of. >> them are. some of them are in territories currently controlled by russia. it does nothing for ukraine. so it feels to me like a like a little bit of an extortion. but you tell me. >> well, so. >> i think where it went off.

>> the rails was. the trump. administration said, we're going to make this deal, and. >> this deal should. >> give you security, because we will now have. >> a. >> stake in the future of ukraine. the problem is, from zelensky's perspective, it doesn't give him a security guarantee, because tomorrow. >> you sign the. >> deal, tomorrow no troops are going in automatically. there's no there's no agreement on the security part. so there's a lot of political risk for zelensky. remember, he's a democratically elected leader. there's a lot of risk for him in. >> saying. >> okay, i'm going to sign this deal without even the administration, the us government giving him something of a security. agreement or even a public promise that they're going to continue to negotiate it. but i think the trump administration was also really stubborn about not wanting to go further than this minerals deal. and again, the public component of this. is astonishing. i mean, it was two on one. you know, those people in the side seats, they're not supposed. >> to the side seats was like. >> two it's. two principals,

president and president. if my president and i've been in a lot of these meetings, i've been up to the level of the vice president with foreign minister lavrov. if vice president biden had wanted me to say something, he would say, evelyn, blah, blah, blah, ask me something, i would answer, and then i would go back to spectator mode. >> you don't bully and, you know. >> team up. >> and it's. >> the two principals. so there's a lot of protocol that went wrong there too. as you. >> know. >> evelyn, let's let's broaden this out a little bit more because okay, we see we see in play the idiocracy, which is this administration when it comes to foreign policy, among other things. this now shifts in my view, the, the, the focus to europe. and i've been asking this question for the past year and getting some really crazy looks. but now i think people understand why the question is relevant. who among our european allies is ready to step up and take control of this alliance, recognizing that as of yesterday, effectively, the us has sided itself with russia and

the darker forces on this planet that don't stand for the light of liberty, but stand for the darkness of, of authoritarianism and control of people's lives. who in europe do you see? or which part or pair of leaders in europe are prepared to step forward into this space? >> i'd say that there are 2. >> or. >> 3 candidates, and i think the europeans have to decide. i can't decide that for them. but obviously president macron, you know, he's been very good about dealing diplomatically with president trump. he also clearly is interested in taking the lead. and he he doesn't have his future in politics is uncertain. so he could potentially take the lead in some other way. and or maybe he will come to, to gain more power because of what's happening. and then of course, the new british prime minister, because president trump really does seem to be an anglophile, whether it's personality or i

think a lot of it is, he likes the uk. so that and the british can rally more than just the europeans because they can reach out to the canadians and others. and then finally the. >> eu. >> the head of the eu, ursula von der leyen. she's a very strong diplomat. she comes from germany. germany will be really important. she is german. germany will be really important and i think the. eu is actually ready. they are really worried, the members of the eu. but you have to bring the uk in as well, maybe bring the uk back into the eu. so i think there is potential leadership, michael, but i don't know. they'll have to decide for themselves. >> all right. >> evelyn farkas, thank you so much. barbara comstock, please stay with us next hour. john bolton, donald trump's national security adviser during his first term, is calling on secretary of state marco rubio to resign over the oval office debacle. he will join the conversation. but first, elon musk, doge, is sending a new email to federal workers demanding they explain what they

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that's what they do in kindergarten. joining us now is the president of media matters, angela carson. and former congresswoman barbara comstock is back with us. >> one of our colleagues, ali vitali, went. >> to. >> one of. >> these town halls. >> where. >> people have been. >> sounding off. >> on. >> these cuts. i want to take a listen. >> to it. >> and then talk with you about. >> it. >> on the other side. >> how you feeling? i'm upset. i'm scared. why did you get. >> into this line of. work in the first place? >> i wasn't able to join the military because of a medical reason. and so this was my way to serve my country. >> i'm not. >> going to lie. i went to my doc and asked for anxiety meds. there you go. yes. >> i'm taking a very big risk. >> by being. >> interviewed. >> but at. >> this point you have. >> to stand. >> up and. >> you have. >> to talk and you have. >> to take. >> a stand. >> and i'm taking a stand. >> taking a. >> risk, taking a stand. >> if only republicans in congress could learn to do the same thing. i'm curious from

you, since i don't watch. >> a lot. >> of right wing media, how. >> are they. >> portraying what. >> is happening. >> at these town halls? >> so one. at the town. >> hall is they're portraying a pretty universally. >> that. >> this is. >> sort of a paid protest operation. >> funded by george soros. >> all of them. >> i mean, yes, and that's. >> how. >> they're portraying. >> george soros. >> has done. >> so much. >> he's a. >> very. busy guy. >> and so. >> and that's. >> that's universal. >> that's consistent. >> they're definitely making that point. >> the thing that is different, though, is that if you take it a. >> step. >> away from the. >> town halls. >> and i've never said this. >> before. >> in my. >> 15 years, but if you want to hear what people what's really. >> going on. >> out there. >> you have to actually listen to talk. >> radio, not what the hosts are saying, because. >> what the. >> callers are. >> saying because the they can't. >> ignore the calls. >> and the. >> call ins are consistent. >> and it's their. >> own. >> listeners saying, please, sean hannity, not me, help me get my job back. you know. >> i'm a. >> veteran and i. >> just. got laid off. >> i've been working here for ten years. >> i need. >> this job. >> they just don't understand. and they're calling in to these. >> shows. >> hoping that. >> these. hosts will. >> advocate for them. so while the town halls are sort of being

dismissed as just, you know, protest. >> operations. >> the call ins are just that is where there's a really big. >> disconnect in right. >> wing media between. >> what you see. >> online. >> which, you know, they. >> love. >> the schadenfreude and actually what the callers. are saying. and i think that's to me is the top. line takeaway. >> because when i look. >> at the landscape in the future. >> and what. >> they've laid off about 100,000 people. >> so far. >> but the minimum number is about 300,000. >> if you just look at all. >> the project. >> 2025 reporting, it'll probably be somewhere between 500 and 1 million when they're done. and so we've barely scratched the surface of the impact that they're having. >> you know, congresswoman, the majority of federal workers, they don't live in dc, maryland or virginia. i think a lot of the conversation is about, oh, we love the civil servants, but the rest of the country is saying, x, when the federal government is the largest employer in this country. and we're talking about like the court reporter in savannah, georgia, or like my dad, he tested the water with the army corps of engineers for years in omaha, nebraska. and i'm struck by the fact that angela is

saying, all these folks are calling in, asking these hosts to please help them, please get to talk to them. republicans and the republican members of congress. they seem to know that this is an issue because we have reporting that notes privately from politico. gop senators privately pushed musk to coordinate more with congress. members of the senate caucus. returning from a white house meeting with elon musk on thursday afternoon pushed for the billionaire to coordinate more with congress on his cuts to the federal government. why are they asking elon musk? aren't they the members of congress? doesn't congress have the power of the purse? aren't they the elected people? i don't understand the deference. >> yeah, it. >> is bizarre. >> and i can tell you from inside. >> the republican caucus, it was always a great. >> frustration to me. >> and i would try to explain to my fellow republicans that federal. employees weren't just in my district, which was, you know, in virginia, but it was in all of their districts. for example. >> you know, senator. >> shelby down in alabama, who was chairman of the appropriations committee, had put a whole. >> bunch of federal employees.

>> down in alabama with. >> nih employees. >> which now they don't like the cuts that are going to nih. and you're hearing them say, oh, no, don't change those formulas. don't do those cuts. there's a big. >> nasa facility. >> down there. so because he was chairman of. >> appropriations. he put a lot of things down there. >> also, i. >> would explain to them 30%. >> of federal employees are veterans. >> don't we like veterans? >> and so they're now. >> hearing from all. >> these people and all around the country, and they're waking up to, oh, yeah, a lot of these people are our guys. and we're seeing all these people saying. wait a minute, i didn't know you meant me. well, of course this is. >> and the trauma that they. >> are bringing to these people. and i think a lot of your, you know, when you go to these town halls, they're saying it's traumatic now. okay, fine. you can ask people, tell us what you did last week. but it's going into a void. >> you know, those. >> 19 year old, those kids. >> are. not reading. >> the thousands and thousands of emails that are going to be sent in. it's meant to

traumatize and scare them, that they might be fired if they don't turn it in. it is all intentional trauma to them and to root them out. or what are they saying? what words are they using? that kind of thing. >> and we. >> know it's meant to be intentional trauma because they. vote ahead. >> of opm said. >> it's intentional. we want to put them into a state of trauma. well, it's working. >> but do you. >> really want. >> air traffic. controllers to be traumatized? we want everyone at the. >> faa to. >> be traumatized. >> when planes. >> are falling. >> from the sky. do you want. >> cancer researchers to be traumatized, or do you want them to be curing. >> you know, your dad's cancer. you know. >> these are real. >> or the veterans people who are helping our veterans who already have trauma? do we want them to be traumatized? you are. seeing people in the workplace traumatized. now, what i'd like to know. >> are, are those. >> people at the white house who. >> work for donald trump? >> are they writing. >> those reports.

>> for him or what? five things did they do, and are they turning them in, and. >> are they is there five. >> things from last week? >> maybe they should make. >> that public. >> for all of us and. >> have a. >> little transparency. because we'd. >> like to know what they're up to. maybe how many times donald trump has. >> played golf, how. many rounds, what his scores. >> were and how much it has cost the taxpayers, because it does seem maybe you've kept track of that, because it is a third of his time so far has been spent on the golf course, and it has been millions of dollars, i think already. >> the you know, that those are all excellent points, and i'd love to see that list. so y'all can just go ahead and put that together for us. white house. >> yeah, stephen miller must have it at his fingertips. >> and his. >> wife, who's now working both as a special government employee and for private clients, maybe. >> she could. >> put her. >> list into. >> keeps on grifting. >> so the tea is hot today. >> here's the. thing that i find interesting, angela, that in the midst of all of this, you've got republicans begging for elon

musk to be compassionate. why? please, mr. musk, please. >> yeah, please. >> be compassionate to show some compassion for the little people that we represent. >> chainsaw guy. >> yeah, you have though, the reality which we started to level up in about a year ago, this time on on this show about this little thing that everyone would come to deny called project 2025. and as the new york times has noted, mr. musk transformation of doge from a casual notion into a powerful weapon is something possible only in the trump era. it involves wild experimentation and an embrace of severe cost cutting that mr. musk. musk previously used to upend twitter. we see how that turned out, as well as an appetite for political risk and impulsive decision making that he shares with president trump and makes others in the administration deeply uncomfortable. that's the play. so this idea that somehow there's compassion in any of

this, especially as expected from these republican members of congress, is ludicrous because the core action is exactly what we're seeing unfold. and to the broader point, which you raised up, you know, you mentioned about folks, you know, being fired. well guess what? don't be afraid. don't i wouldn't fill out a form, period. you know why? because you're going to be fired anyway. how do you get to a million employees, federal employees being let go, right? >> i mean, and. >> the appeals to. >> compassion are tough in this situation, to at least to them, because cruelty is the point here. >> let's keep in mind that. >> that their audience has been simmering in a right wing landscape that is basically convinced everyone, at least their people, that all of these people working for the government are deep staters that have been in cahoots with the democrats and the news media to destroy. donald trump for the past. ten years, that they are all bad people and they need to be punished. so one is these government employees deserve it. i mean, even noah, the part of the reason they got rid of the weather service because they thought that they were engaged

in a conspiracy theory. >> to push climate change. and that's why. >> that's why they're. >> gleefully not just. >> laying these. >> dea agents getting fentanyl. >> that's right. >> it's wild. they're bad guys. >> you know? i mean, they really convinced. >> a very large. >> number of the people that they're that they're rooting out all these corrupt people. and then the other part of. it is that, and this is where these emails come in, is. >> that they're. >> beginning to put the ingredients together for new sort of attacks. so one of them is that when people don't get replies, what. >> they'll. >> start to point to and their beginning is saying, well, you know, we have 100,000 dead people working for the government that we're paying. so we're just going to cut these names off and trump will consume it. he'll get it because they'll pump that into the landscape, and then he will pluck it from the fever swamps on his own social media platform. and that will become policy. >> this is why. >> article one has to start doing their job. and if they're. >> saying you have members of congress. >> nick begich, a freshman up in alaska, said, i can't do anything. >> well, if you can't do. >> anything, get out of there. >> yeah. why are. >> you there? >> no business. >> being. >> in congress? >> because article one should be. >> doing this, not doge. 19 year. >> old barbara comstock. angelo

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>> democratic congressman jennifer mcclellan of virginia. good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning, congresswoman. you know, here we are. we watched the craziness in the oval office yesterday. that's that's one part of what's happening. we're watching the disintegration of, you know, the federal government agency by agency. and there has been very little focus on the impact of moms and dads, grandmas and granddads across this country. children and children, especially children. speak if you. i'll just give you a moment to speak to that point. so people appreciate that in all of the hurly burly and the noise that the real lives that are impacted, we were talking off air and a little bit in the last segment, how people calling in to talk radio shows, conservative talk radio shows, begging with these conservative hosts, please help us be an advocate for us with within this ecosystem to let them know they're hurting us. >> yes they are. and. >> you know, people.

>> don't realize. >> that medicaid funds. long term care. so when your mother has to go into a nursing home or a memory care center that's covered by medicaid. >> it's the. >> sickest children. it's pregnant women for up to a year after birth. because a lot. >> of women die. >> in the first year. it's hard working american. >> people, but it also. >> funds hospitals. >> i was in. >> the state legislature in virginia. >> when we expanded medicaid. >> if they do these cuts, over 630,000 virginians will lose health care. but the rural hospitals that depend on that. >> income, that depend on. >> medicaid reimbursements will. >> close. >> which is why republicans in virginia voted to expand medicaid. >> and it's. >> people in this country. want to. know that. >> if they get sick, they. >> can go to the doctor and get care without going bankrupt. but medicaid also allows. people to get preventative care. >> so they don't get. >> sick. >> because. >> when they do, they're coming

to the hospital anyway. they're coming to the emergency room when it is, in some cases. >> too late, in some. >> cases way more expensive than. >> if they had. >> gotten preventative care. >> people will. >> die because of these. medicaid cuts. and republicans don't seem to care. they care more. about these tax breaks. for billionaires than for making sure that every american has access to quality health care when they need it. >> every democrat voted against this. this was a vote to just move to the vote for the actual budget. but it included the cuts and every everybody knew what they were voting for. every democrat in the house of representatives voted against it. now there's conversation because, oh, they're like, oh, is the budget going to pass? we don't know. but we still need to fund the government. march 14th is the deadline. now there's conversations from republicans in the senate and then some rumblings in the house that they might just have to do a straight up and down bill that just funds the government the most basic levels for short term and kicks the can down the road. they

cannot do that without the support of democrats. will democrats vote for that? you know, it's really hard to make any kind of. >> deal with republicans when you. >> know that they. they renege on them. and so. >> you know, we're having that conversation right now. but any we need assurances that whatever we pass, the president. >> is actually. >> going to spend the. >> money the way we tell him to spend. >> it, which he has shown us right now, that he won't. and so we're having that conversation. we'll think very seriously. we're going to do what causes the least harm to the american people, because right now, donald trump, elon musk and congressional republicans, they are harming the american people to provide. >> tax. >> cuts for billionaires. well, to clarify that. >> point, because we're going to. >> hear a talking. >> point from. >> republicans over and over again, which. >> is this idea. >> that there. >> can be. >> enough savings. >> simply by. >> rooting out fraud. >> and waste. >> and starting work. >> requirements as it relates. >> to medicaid. >> so most okay, the people that are on medicaid that are not working are the sickest of the

sick children, pregnant women or women on maternity leave. a lot of they're already working. most of them are already working. what they're talking about. >> is adding. >> burdensome paperwork requirements to. >> say. >> if you don't jump through all these extra hoops to prove to us that you're working, you're going to lose your health care. but that math. >> is not going to math. >> there is not $880. >> billion of. tax fraud and abuse. >> anywhere in energy and. commerce where i serve. the only way you get to. $880 billion is by very steep. >> cuts to medicaid. >> that will hurt the american people. people who. >> don't like bureaucracy. they are certainly. adding a. >> lot of. >> layers of bureaucracy. >> i mean, honestly, gaslighting us to the fullest. congresswoman jennifer mcclellan, thank you. thank you for cutting through the noise this morning. we appreciate your time. up next is elon.

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>> i mean. >> how's it going for you? >> did the president fire you? >> he did. >> and here's what we've. >> seen actually. >> in the past. >> few weeks, we've seen the cfpb. hand out a series of corporate pardons to. >> some of. >> the biggest companies. >> that were in the courtrooms, where there was. >> in many cases, damning evidence. >> that they had cheated consumers. >> big mortgage companies. >> and including. >> capital one, which. >> we accused of. >> cheating people out of $2 billion in interest. >> that they withheld. >> so we. >> don't know. >> how these pardons. >> are being handed out. >> you're calling them pardons, right. >> they're not calling them pardons. >> that's like your framework. >> well, they're. >> going to a courtroom. pulling the case out and saying it's. >> never going to be filed again. >> so it's essentially. >> dismissing it. >> with prejudice. >> they're dismissing it with prejudice. >> and by. >> the way, it's not just cases that were filed under my time. it's also some cases filed under the first trump cfpb, which is.

>> raising. >> questions in the business community. what is the ways in which these. >> are. >> handed out? there doesn't seem to be any through line in terms of the type of law or type of conduct. and people on wall street. >> are wondering. >> is there now this. new process that they go have to go through? and if they don't go through that process, are they going to be targeted? and i think there's some questions now about is how is wall. street reacting to this. and we're seeing, you know. >> since the inauguration the. stock market. >> is down. >> and more questions about how business is. >> going to work if they're not clear. >> sets of laws and. >> rules. >> or maybe if you have, you know, the appropriate number of zeros on that check you, a whole lot of stuff can disappear, which is, you know, part of what the problem is when you have corruption and grift being the order of the day, particularly in the space where that involves big corporate actors and

consumers. and so you have the reaction of senator elizabeth warren from thursday during the senate banking committee hearing with the cfpb director, jonathan mccarren. let's listen to what elizabeth warren had to say. >> nobody is. >> helped by shutting. >> down the. agency except big banks, con men and rip off artists. oh, and billionaires like mr. musk. who is trying to start a new x money feature on his social media. >> platform. >> by eliminating the cfpb. >> he would take. >> the financial. cop off the beat. >> and that was my point. enough zeros right in the right corners. a whole lot of bad things go away. a whole lot of them. >> not for. >> consumers, not for consumers. exactly. and so where does where

does this leave consumers now? because i think consumers need to recognize a little outrageous indignation here, because they're about to get stomped on and there's no one there, right, that's going to stand guard over that stomping and prevent it. >> oh yeah. >> this is a. >> totally defunding the. >> police that look after consumers. >> that. >> look after. >> wall street. >> that look after. big tech companies. >> and here's what's actually quite striking. there's an obsession by elon musk and the big tech companies. >> about this agency. and i think here's. >> why we're seeing those companies lurch into. wanting to control. >> money, banking and loans. mark zuckerberg wanted to create a currency a few years ago. >> elon musk wants. >> to turn. >> twitter x. into a whole super. >> app where you can. >> move. >> money and. >> more bank.

>> and what. >> we try. >> to do is say, okay, if. >> you are doing. >> that, you can do it. you just have to follow. >> the financial. >> privacy laws, the laws that guard against errors and fraud. >> and i'll. >> tell you, i think that triggered some of them. and i think that's part. >> of the reason they're. >> so, so damn obsessed. >> with all. >> this is they're, you know, some folks have said that there's a conflict of interest because elon musk is directly involved in what is happening at cfpb, doj's and the conflict of interest because of what you just noted. and it's just one of many conflicts of interest, frankly, that exist for musk with this administration. do you see it that way? do you think this is a direct conflict of interest? and what is your biggest concern? >> yeah, well, we would. prohibit our employees and others. from even. owning any stocks of any company. >> related to our work. you know, it's. >> not just x and twitter. there's also tesla. a lot of

people borrow a lot of money to purchase teslas. and when things go. wrong with their loan, they go to the cfpb every day. we were getting back about $4 million on. >> average into. >> people's pockets. and right now it's zero. so i think it's not just the conflicts. it's that they're shutting down. core functions that police the markets. and i just think this is baiting another financial meltdown like we saw in 2008. >> the one benefit to no longer being a government employee is. >> that i can now ask. >> you political questions. >> you know. >> so many. >> of the initiatives you took at cfpb were just wildly popular, right? i mean, across. partizan lines, people. >> don't want. >> to pay. junk fees. >> people don't. >> want to be scammed when they're trying to pay for a. >> loved one's funeral. >> like across the board. >> these are just. >> basic consumer issues. and so i have. >> been curious. >> like, what do you think. republicans calculus is vis a vis the politics of all of this? right. because once people have those protections.

>> in. >> place. >> they grow to. >> like them. >> they grow to like. >> not having to pay additional fees every time. >> they take money out. >> of the atm. like. i don't. know how you go back without facing some. >> political consequence. >> well. >> they're calling. >> me and saying they don't like it. i think they say on one. >> hand. >> president trump campaigned on capping credit. >> card interest rates. >> that's something. >> i actually agree. >> with because they have gotten so high and they're turning people's monthly budgets. but then on the other hand, they're pardoning capital one, one of the biggest credit. >> card companies in america. >> so i do think you're starting to see a lot of unease about some of the actions. that are taking, because who is this even favoring? and also big. business is worried too, about how do the rules work now. >> where though. >> who and when do we start hearing. >> from them? >> i don't. >> know if. >> we. ever will, because so many of them are. they almost. >> whisper to you their concerns. >> because i think they.

>> fear retaliation. >> as well. >> well, you know, but there is i mean, to your to your point, alicia, there is a there's a lot here for consumers to recognize in this change. you know, folks don't may not necessarily know. yeah cfpb and that you were the head of it. but they do look around and see that there's less economic impact on them. now that even if i was not involved in that action, i get the benefit of whatever happened to simone or whatever happened to alicia in their financial transactions, through their bank or some other institution. that piece of it is going to be interesting to see how it develops, because i've never understood and reconciling how i can pay 7% on my mortgage, but i have to pay 30% on my credit card. and so that's what consumers need to recognize now

in this space, because that that door is now wide open. those interest rates, folks, trust me, are going to go up. >> yeah. and let me say that i want i don't want people to. >> have to. >> memorize all the acronyms of the agencies. i want them there to be a clear plan on what are we doing to reduce monthly bills, costs, rent your utilities. i mean, so many of these costs. >> are through. >> the roof, and a lot of it is due to absolute kind of greedflation, and we have to have someone who will attack it to break up the companies that are, that are really taking advantage of us. and so far there has been no plan on doing any of that. >> oh very chilling, rohit chopra, thank you for being here. we appreciate you. there's more of the weekend straight ahead folks. we'll be right ahead folks. we'll be right back. no matter what kind of teeth you gotta brush, oral-b electric cleans better with one simple touch. oral-b's dentist inspired round brush head hugs em,

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