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>> a very. >> good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone to alex witt reports. breaking overseas at this hour ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy in london to meet with uk prime minister keir starmer ahead of a summit with european leaders tomorrow. of course, it comes amid new fallout from that ugly oval office clash between zelenskyy and president trump, spurred when vice president j.d. vance jumped in. at one point. >> mr. president, with respect, i think it's disrespectful for you to come into the oval office and try to litigate this in front of the american media. you should be thanking the president for trying to bring an end to this conflict. >> in ukraine, that you say what problems we have. >> i have been to one. i have. >> not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now with us. you start having cards. cards? right now you are. >> playing cards. you're playing cards. >> you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war three. >> and a short time later.

zelenskyy, defending his position in an interview. >> i respect president and i respect american people. and if i don't know if i think that we have to be very open and very honest, and i'm not sure that we did something bad. >> also afterward, one time putin critic and ukraine supporter, secretary of state marco rubio, dramatically reversing his position in an interview echoing senator lindsey graham's 180. >> donald trump is a man who has made deals his entire life in business, and he's bringing those principles to government. >> i have never been more. >> proud of the president. >> i was. >> very proud of. >> j.d. vance. >> standing up for. >> our country. >> he either needs to. resign and send somebody over that we can do business with, or he needs to change. and democrats conversely, calling the episode at best shameful.

>> it's one. >> thing to. >> be looking for gratitude. >> it's another to be demanding. >> groveling. >> which is what they did today. and it was a. >> pathetic ambush. >> vice president vance just decided to go after him and claim that he hadn't thanked the american people. nothing could be more wrong. >> he's okay giving away ukrainian territory, sacrificing ukrainian lives. what he doesn't realize is that this actually doesn't help his cause of ceasefire or peace, because putin will bank all that. he's like, okay, thanks. give me that. now, what else do you have for me? >> adding to the diplomatic carnage that us ukraine mineral deal left a smoldering memory punctuated by this stab from treasury secretary scott bessent. >> they were asked to leave the room. then they had to be asked to leave the building, and they were texting everyone, begging to come back out and sign the economic partnership. >> this scene late last night in

d.c, a standing ovation for zelensky at a meeting with ukrainians in the us and overseas, european leaders from almost every corner with declarations of support for ukraine. meanwhile, american public sentiment remains resolutely against vladimir putin in a recent poll, 81% there saying that the u.s. should not trust him. 78% holding unfavorable views of the russian leader. and with that framing, we're going to turn to reporters and analysts here and overseas covering all these new and developing storylines. we're going to begin with nbc's megan fitzgerald in london for us. megan, welcome. so i imagine the tone of today's meeting with prime minister starmer differed somewhat from president zelensky's visit at the white house. what can you tell us? >> alex? absolutely. i mean, we're talking about night and day here. i mean. before we. even heard from the two leaders, we saw what certainly looked like a very warm embrace. you could see a completely different tone where prime minister starmer leaving ten downing

street, walking towards zelensky to welcome him. the two embraced. they shook hands, had smiles and then. >> before. >> entering downing street, they sort of stood there, had a little banter, smiling, shaking hands before going inside. that's then, of course, when we got that real tone and tenor of the meeting that they're having as we speak, prime minister starmer saying, you are very, very welcome here in downing street. he went on to say that there's absolute determination to stand in unwavering determination to achieve what we both want to achieve, which is lasting peace. and then i want to play for you just a little bit of what happened just moments ago. >> so very, very welcome. >> here in. >> downing street. >> and as you. >> heard from the. >> cheers on the street outside. >> you have full backing. >> across the united kingdom. and. >> we stand. >> with you. >> with ukraine. >> for. >> as long as it may. >> i want to thank you, people of the united kingdom. such big

support from the very beginning of this war. thank you. your team. >> so, president zelenskyy, thanking the people of the united kingdom. also thanking king charles. rather, we understand that they will be meeting tomorrow. look, you know, high stakes right now for europe. we know that british prime minister starmer sees himself as sort of the bridge between president trump and president zelensky. he made a phone call to both leaders after that fiery oval office encounter yesterday. but we also know that europe sees this as a very pivotal time, a very key moment in history. they clearly understand that the world that we've been living in for the past 80 years, post world war two, has completely changed. this is unchartered territory that many european leaders are seeing here. the moment where europe needs to take the reins to be the leader, step up and be the leader of the free world. and so that then brings us to

this meeting that's expected to happen tomorrow. this is something that we heard prime minister starmer speaking about when he visited donald trump in the oval office on thursday, saying that he will be hosting world leaders from around europe. 18 countries will be represented in this meeting tomorrow, so everyone from france to germany to norway, switzerland, canada, we know the secretary general of nato will be there, officials from turkey. and the point of this meeting is to try and discuss how they are going to come together to try and defend ukraine in the event that russia were to try to invade again after supposed peace deal that they hope will be signed. but the big question here is, is that possible? could they do that without the support of the united states? >> that's going to be the big question. okay. megan fitzgerald in london, thank you so much for that. let's head back stateside and go to nbc's yamiche alcindor, who's at the white house. welcome to you. what are

we hearing from president trump and the administration in the aftermath of all this yesterday? >> well, after this extraordinary confrontation in the oval office, president trump and white house officials are doubling down, saying that president zelensky disrespected the oval office and that he was really someone who was not coming here and interested in peace. the president also said after the meeting that that president zelenskyy wanted to come back to the white house, but that he told him he did not want him to come yet. take a listen to more of what we heard from the president after this meeting. >> i think he. >> very much overplayed his hand. we're looking for peace. we're not looking for somebody that's going to sign up a strong power and then not make peace because they feel emboldened. and that's what i saw happening. we're not looking to go into a ten year war and play games. we want peace. and it was just my impression that if we do that, if we sign up, he's looking for something that i'm not looking for. he's looking to go on and fight, fight, fight. we're

looking to end the death. >> now, we've also heard from a number of cabinet members, including the homeland security secretary, the secretary of state, as well as the transportation secretary, a number of them really circling and doubling down on the idea that they are proud of the president and the way that he handled zelensky. the interesting thing, though, here, and the big question is whether or not there is going to be more talks. are these two leaders going to be able to come together again? president trump left the door open to that. but he did say that he believes that zelensky needs to make sure that he is interested in peace. and he also is doubling down on the idea that the president of russia, president putin, that he would not break a ceasefire deal if it was made with president trump, which is the big reason why they were arguing in the oval office in the first place. so a lot to watch here. the timeline very uncertain and a lot of big questions, alex. >> yeah, lots of questions. yamiche, thank you so much for that. i'm going to ask you now, as i'm joined right now by former u.s. ambassador to ukraine steven pifer, along with peter baker, msnbc political analyst and chief white house

correspondent for the new york times. gentlemen, good to have you both here. peter, you first, because you've covered about, what, three decades or so of administrations with meetings between world leaders and sitting presidents. what went through your mind when you witnessed that whole episode? >> it's a great question. >> you're right. >> since 1996, except for four years in moscow. >> i've been. >> covering meetings at the white house between presidents and. foreign leaders. and we've. >> never seen anything like this. >> never? no. >> that doesn't mean they're. >> not tensions. >> obviously. >> american presidents. >> feel. >> frustrated at times with even. >> their closest. >> allies. >> and sometimes they have some pointed words in front of the cameras. but you never see this kind of a verbal brawl in public like this. and it seemed at some point to be, if not intentional. at least they didn't seem to shrink away from it. they wanted, i think, in some ways, to put him back in his box, if you will. look, president trump and vice president vance have made very clear they don't like volodymyr zelensky. it's personal. they think ukraine is

not the victim. it's the villain in all of this. and they're basically, you know, using a lot of the points that vladimir putin has, has offered. >> all of that. what you just said is stunning. but let me go to you, ambassador pifer, because you said, sir, of j.d. vance in this meeting, that he could not have done more damage and created greater joy in moscow, where he a russian agent. so can you explain how unprecedented this was? and can this kind of damage to our foreign relations be repaired? >> well. >> as peter said, what we saw yesterday in the white house was unprecedented, and i'm sure it caused great jubilation in moscow. you know, this meeting was a chance for president zelensky and president trump to talk about how to move forward on brokering an end to the russia ukraine war. and they never had that chance. i think j.d. vance blew that meeting up intentionally. i don't understand why, but it's bad not just for ukraine. i would argue that critical american interests are going to be affected by how

the war between russia and ukraine plays out, and if ukraine loses, either of those are the result of losing on the battlefield or losing as a result of a shoddy, negotiated effort. that's going to be bad for american interests, because you're then going to see vladimir putin emboldened. and i do not believe his ambitions end with ukraine. it will be a bigger threat for europe, and it will be a bigger threat for the united states. and i worry that president trump and the vice president do not understand that. >> peter, you wrote what really seemed to get under trump's skin was zelensky's harsh words for putin. so look, you mentioned you work for, what, four years there in moscow reporting on vladimir putin. how is he interpreting friday's scene in the oval office? and why does trump want to defend him so strongly? >> well, this is one of the essential mysteries still of president trump's time on the public stage. and we really haven't answered for ten years. we have been asking the question, why does he like vladimir putin so much when no

other american president would, would use the kind of words that he does, especially about a president of russia who has invaded his neighbor and been at war with him now for 11 years, not just the last three. and that has never seemed to be a problem for trump. he has been an admirer of trump's. he called him just this week. he called him cunning and smart. he calls zelensky a dictator. of course, putin is the real dictator. zelensky is a popularly elected president in a in a in a functional, if not perfect democracy. but you're right. i mean, it was fascinating at this thing yesterday, at this meeting yesterday, the things that seemed to bug trump was every time zelensky said something nasty or what he perceived to be nasty about putin, he says, well, you can say bad things about him, but that doesn't help. and then later on the lawn in that clip you showed when he's leaving the white house on the south lawn, he says he just says negative things about putin, as if that bothered him. and he spoke about putin as if they were the friends and compatriots. he says. we went through the russia investigation together. in effect, that was a remarkable moment where he

identified more with the president of russia, who is an accused war criminal, than he did with the president of ukraine, who is fighting for his country's survival. yeah. >> let me know if you get an answer. yes, sir. >> could i just add to that? the president's approach towards the kremlin and vladimir putin is not working. look, over the last three weeks, you have seen concession after concession after concession by president trump and the administration to russian interests. so two and a half weeks ago, trump publicly says ukraine cannot hope to get all of its territory back. it cannot hope to join nato. that's two big concessions to the russian position before trump even has the russians and ukrainians sitting down together. then he begins to break putin out of the isolation that western leaders have imposed on him for three years by saying, i'm going to meet putin and we should have putin back in the g-8. and then what was particularly appalling on monday at the united nations,

the united states voted against a european resolution in the general assembly calling for a just and lasting peace. we voted against it, along with russia, north korea and iran. the reason the united states voted against that is because it named russia as the aggressor. and for all of these concessions, all these moves towards russia, if you look in the last three weeks, the president has not gotten a single thing from russia, a benefit to the united states. in fact, the russian position appears to be hardening. this is not the way to deal with kremlin. not the way to deal with vladimir putin. putin just sits back and says, i'm getting these concessions. i'm going to wait for trump to make more because he sees trump as weak. >> thought provoking there. and you're right to point out all those things that have happened of late. let me ask you, peter, about the sound that we played earlier and what you make of top republicans like lindsey graham and marco rubio doing these. 180 on supporting ukraine. with few

exceptions, republicans have all fallen in line with trump after yesterday's confrontation. will it last? >> well, i think it's a measure of how much the republican party has changed, right? the party of reagan today is backing again russia over ukraine. in effect, lindsey graham, marco rubio, these guys were hawks. these guys saw putin as a bad guy, as a as a threat to the world. they saw ukraine as a victim of unprovoked aggression. they saw zelensky as a new churchill, and they celebrated them this way. and to see them, as you say, turn 180 degrees on this, to denounce zelensky and to back trump in his verbal assault on zelensky, shows you how much power trump has over the republicans. they don't want to cross him. they don't want to be in the chair where zelensky is in that image. so they don't want trump to be yelling at them, and therefore they feel compelled to stay in line with him. and it's a radical change for the whole republican party this way. >> but ambassador certainly

heard what marco rubio said earlier in an interview. i believe it was on cnn. but he appeared uncomfortable during the tense exchange. how difficult will the job of secretary of state be if the president and vice president continue undermining allies? >> yeah, i think you're exactly right, alex. i mean, secretary rubio looked very uncomfortable in that session because he's the person who has the lead on trying to pull this negotiation together. and right now you have this rift between the united states and ukraine. secretary rubio, he's met with the russians, but again, on issues that would try to bring this negotiation closer. the russians have not made a single move. so his job has been made immensely more difficult by what happened yesterday. and he's also, i think, looking at a situation where now the europeans who could be helpful, the administration would like europe, for example, to provide a peacekeeping or reassurance force. you have this meeting

tomorrow between key european leaders and zelensky, and i think that meeting is going to talk about what can we in ukraine do if, in fact, as it appears yesterday, the trump administration may be preparing to throw ukraine under the bus? >> all right. ambassador steven pifer, thank you, sir, so much. peter, i'm going to ask you to stick around because i want to ask you about the situation at the va a little bit later in this hour and in the next hour. a view from inside ukraine lawmaker lisa yasko joins me with reaction. meantime, we have breaking news from just this past hour. former new york governor andrew cuomo announcing he is entering the race for new york city mayor. cuomo attempting an audacious political comeback after resigning as governor in august of 2021. cuomo enters a crowded democratic field and will look to unseat current mayor eric adams, who is facing federal criminal charges for corruption. cuomo is expected to assume frontrunner status for the june democratic party. we are going to have a live report just a little bit later on on this. coming up next, the new outrage

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berating volodymyr zelensky in the oval office for being, quote, ungrateful and disrespectful. and joining me now, a democratic congressman from california, sarah jacobs. she is a member of the house armed services and foreign affairs committees. welcome. it's always good to see you. so donald trump canceled that joint press conference and had vladimir zelensky escorted out of the white house, accusing the ukrainian president of not being ready for peace. is that how you see it? >> not at all. >> i think. what we saw in the oval office was a shameful display of. >> the supposed leader. >> of. >> the free world, siding with an authoritarian over a democracy. >> and honestly, i. >> think ronald reagan. >> and john mccain are turning in their grave. >> right now to see. >> that this is. >> what has. >> come of the republican party. we know that negotiations. >> are important. >> and i think. >> we all want to get to a just and. lasting peace. but to do that, we need to make sure the ukrainians are in the best

possible position to be able to negotiate a peace that will actually last. instead of what i'm concerned this will be, which will be a giveaway to vladimir putin, who will then just use the time and re invade ukraine when he feels his military and economy are stronger again. >> what about could this be some kind of public pressure campaign on zelenskyy to get a better deal for the united states? >> if this was a negotiation between the united states and the ukrainians? maybe. but the fact of the matter is, this is a negotiation between the ukrainians and the russians. and, you know, alex, you know, i used to work in international conflict resolution. we know from lots and lots of history of peace negotiations that actually a negotiation stands to the test of time. it will last longest if it is between the two actual parties to the conflict and this and the russians, not the u.s, as a proxy or stand in negotiating on behalf of one side or the other.

>> so some of your republican colleagues who had hoped for a better meeting and improved relations with kyiv, they are now publicly scolding zelensky. here is senator lindsey graham two weeks ago. and then after yesterday's meeting. listen up. >> i want. >> to tell. >> you. >> and your people you're the ally i've been. >> hoping for. >> all my life. >> not one american has died defending ukraine. you have. taken our weapons and. >> you've kicked their. >> and i'm very proud to have. >> you. >> as our ally. >> so would i think. >> complete. >> utter disaster. >> what i saw in the oval office. >> was disrespectful. >> and i don't know if we can. >> ever do. >> business with zelensky again. >> he either needs. >> to resign and send somebody over that we can. >> do business. >> with, or he needs to change. >> what a difference two weeks makes. i'm curious how a republican shift could shift the support for ukraine, swaying it. you know, ultimately the outcome

of a peace deal. >> you know, it's so interesting because it's these very same republicans that were hammering president biden because they didn't feel like we were giving ukraine enough support fast enough. and now, as soon as president trump pulls this, they're changing. their tune is suddenly changing. and so i think this is incredibly in bad faith. i think it's clear that republicans are more worried about donald trump than about standing up for our values and freedom and democracy around the world. and i think it's really problematic. and i think what we're going to see is that trump sells out, gives putin everything he wants, and then we're left holding the bag. in a few years, when putin invades again, just stronger this time. >> i was going to ask, does this potentially tip european countries toward actual military conflict with russia? >> i mean, it's really possible, right? we're seeing a lot of the europeans talking about what they feel like they need to do now that they can't count on the

americans to step in. i think, you know, some of that is a positive. we need to see europe step up. they have stepped up a lot in this in supporting ukraine. but i am worried that without you know, when if they don't if they're not confident, the americans will be there, that we're going to start to see a lot more conflict in europe because really, you know, the international system that we put in place after world war two that says that territorial aggression can't be rewarded, that, you know, this is not how we do things. that's really what has held the peace in europe for all this time. and we're seeing that disintegrate. >> and former defense secretaries, they are concerned about the trump administration's firing of several senior u.s. military leaders. that includes the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general c-q brown junior. and in a letter, they asked congress to do its job and hold trump to account for reckless actions, including telling senators not to confirm new defense department nominations without answers. will congress listen?

>> that's such a good question. as you know, alex, we're in the minority in the house and the senate. and so, you know, democrats in congress don't have the ability to hold formal hearings. we are talking about holding shadow hearings and making sure we're bringing this to attention. and i do think the senators have a lot more leverage and should be putting more pressure on this, because while we're all talking about president trump firing the top military generals and admirals in each force, he also fired the top lawyers in each force. these are the people who decide if things are consistent with international law of war. decide if a if an order is lawful or not. and i think to me, this firing of the top lawyers is actually the really, really dangerous thing because we're going to see that's really how trump is trying to overly politicize the military and be able to push through anything he wants without the checks. i'm like, what is actually legal both domestically and internationally? >> yeah. on another note, you've spoken out against a pentagon

memo this week announcing it will force transgender troops out of the military within 60 days, unless they are granted a waiver that shows there was compelling government interest in retaining the service member that directly supports warfighting capabilities. and then there's the caveat they have to have never transitioned to the gender, the gender they identify with, and have to offer proof that they've been stable for, what, three years, 36 months technically in their biological sex? what are your concerns here? >> so let's be clear. this waiver is fake because there is a clear national security interest for keeping all of these service members. so one thing to note is that in the first trump administration, his trans troop ban was just about people coming into the military that you couldn't recruit people who were trans. now they are actually kicking out the thousands of service members who are currently serving who are trans. that means we are losing thousands of service members who have years and years of

experience. many of these are senior enlisted folks who have deployed multiple times, have very specific training and capabilities. you know, i was talking to someone who was one of the only civilian evacuation people in her unit, talking to another one who worked in the special warfare unit doing very specialized training, like to replace the kinds of talent that we are going to lose. it will take 20 years and billions of dollars, and that is not good for our national security. these are folks who have already met all of the requirements to serve already. if you cannot deploy for over a year for any reason, you have to leave the force. these folks have met that requirement, and the military has spent 6000 times more on training these people than on any medical care that that they have given to trans troops. and so to me, this is shortsighted and incredibly bad for our national security. >> okay. california congresswoman sara jacobs, always good to see you. thank you so much. next, the wild

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a. very deep. hole that isn't filled by the kind of normal conversations and relationships. >> the rest. >> of us entertain. in order. >> to move. forward in the world. >> and all of that would be fine if he was still just a real estate developer or a tv celebrity. but he's president of the united states, and he has vast powers. and yesterday's meeting with zelensky, whether it was planned. >> you know, orchestrated. >> smackdown or not. >> unfortunately. >> it was a. smackdown and it was a smackdown of an ally in europe, the leader of a country that has been in the middle. >> of a. grueling war that. >> they did not invite. and the president of the united states is once again undermining a democratic ally in favor of an authoritarian government that has shown no russia in this case, that shows no signs of being willing to find an outcome to this war that leaves russia responsible for starting it and

finds an outcome that will serve the us interests in eastern europe over the long term. the display of thuggery in the oval office yesterday was was shameful and it undermined us national security and the national security of eastern europe. and donald trump would be hard pressed to find ukraine on a map. he has rarely traveled. he doesn't have great interest in foreign policy, and he considers most of our global relationships to be shakedowns that the united states is paying for more than it's getting, which also isn't the case. >> let that settle in. but yeah. tim o'brien. so trump announced his plan to replace the foreign investors visa program with the trump gold card. it is a $5 million payment to give wealthy foreigners a fast track to permanent residency and a path to citizenship. so let's listen to trump doing the math.

>> if we sell 10 million, which is possible, 10 million highly productive people coming in or people that were going to make productive, they'll be young, but they're talented, like a talented athlete. that's $50 trillion. that means our debt is totally paid off, and we have $15 trillion above that. >> okay. how realistic is trump's goal of selling 10 million gold cards at 5 million bucks a piece? and do you think it would bring in young, highly productive people? as he claims, though, he gave the, you know, example of an athlete, but nonetheless. >> you know, programs like this aren't unusual. alex, a lot of western countries have them. the logic is that it brings in people who are highly skilled or have thick wallets. in either case,t allows them to contribute to the economy in an overt way that makes it

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with russia. but what happened with that meeting, what happened with macron, what he may have said to these three leaders, give me a sense of what needed to be said. >> yeah. so this meeting in london was already set up before yesterday's blowup in the oval office. it wasn't directly a response to that, but it's hard not to look at it as an in fact, sort of a rejoinder, a message from europe, in effect, which britain has sort of and sort of not part of, depending on how you look at it, that they are still with ukraine, even if the united states basically is siding with vladimir putin's russia. and you saw that yesterday in a series of tweets and social media posts by one prime minister or president after another, from eastern europe to western europe, northern to southern, literally dozens of leaders around the continent, around the world expressing solidarity with zelensky because they see him, of course, as the, you know, the embattled leader of a nation that's been invaded by a larger neighbor. now, look, the

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