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moving forward on a cease fire plan for ukraine. without the u.s, it is the latest fallout from the diplomacy disaster in the oval office. plus, a new loss for court. in court for donald trump. we'll talk to new mexico attorney general raul torres about his legal fights against the administration and pushing for transparency inside elon musk's doge. congresswoman melanie stansbury joins the table. it is another busy sunday morning. so grab your coffee. settle in. welcome to the weekend. >> we are following breaking news from europe this morning. the u.k. and france, along with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, are now working on a ceasefire deal to end russia's war with ukraine. british prime minister keir starmer says he hopes to present the plan to the trump administration. now this comes after starmer embraced

zelensky with a hug yesterday at ten downing street. you can see it right there on your screen. this is a sharp contrast to friday's oval office fiasco. >> let me just. >> say that you're. >> very, very. welcome here. >> in downing street. >> president, with respect. >> i think it's. disrespectful for you to come into the oval office. >> and try to litigate this in front. >> of the american media. >> as you heard. >> from the chairs in. >> the. >> street outside. >> you have full backing across the united kingdom. >> you're playing cards. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war three. >> remember, trump vowed to end the war in ukraine on day one. but now the trump administration says the path to peace depends on zelenskyy's next moves. nbc news reports. quote, since the blowup, trump administration officials have also discussed whether to pause u.s. military aid to ukraine. that's according to two administration officials, though it is unclear whether or when the president would take such a step. joining us now to

discuss it all is msnbc contributor and columnist charlie sykes and former republican communications director tara setmayer. she is co-founder and ceo of the seneca project and writes the uncompromised with tara setmayer newsletter on substack. >> good morning to you both. charlie, charlie, charlie. so the performative meeting in the oval office, which was really, in my estimation, planned that that was an ambushing of ally. the contrast between what we saw with starmer and what we saw with trump speaks for itself. but i think the important thread here is how our allies now stand up. the reality. the truth is you cannot negotiate a peace settlement from a one sided perspective. trump started this process with zelensky standing in the hallway when he brings him into the room. finally, he

berates him he is working out his plan with putin. starmer is trying to work out a plan for our ally. how do you see the european role reshaping this conversation, and ultimately what this peace plan and process will look like? >> well. >> let's just. >> go. >> back to the last 48. >> hours, though. you use. >> the word. >> fiasco and disaster. >> and the. >> more you think about what happened in the oval office, i think it is. more i think it is. >> more consequential. >> it feels like a turning. >> point, a breaking point in world. >> history and in the western alliance. >> it's not. >> simply what the. europeans are going to do. >> in this particular circumstance. >> they now. >> have to realize. >> that the united states is no longer the leader of the free. >> world. >> as long as. >> donald trump. >> is the president. >> that we are no. >> longer a reliable ally. >> in fact. >> in many of these. >> in many. >> of these. >> cases. >> the united states. >> might be an adversary.

>> and this is difficult. >> to get. your head around, because. >> what we are. >> seeing, what we saw on friday, was perhaps the. end of. the postwar alliance. >> so europe. >> has to deal with a completely remade world. >> and the question. >> is now, will europe step up to fill. the. the vacuum of, of. >> american retreat. >> and appeasement? >> and we don't know. >> i mean, i think there's a. real possibility. >> that they will. >> i think. >> over. >> the last 48 hours, you've. >> seen the rest. >> of the. >> free. >> world rallying around. president zelensky and the cause. >> of ukraine. >> which leads the united. >> states. >> weirdly enough. >> isolated from its. >> own allies. >> and, you know, for a lot of us who've been doing this for a long time. >> to. >> watch the. >> europeans show more backbone. >> than the. >> united states is. >> a tremendous reversal of fortune. >> i want you to listen to what senator lisa murkowski had. to say. this is what she tweeted on abc's this week started. >> with administration officials refusing to acknowledge that. >> russia started the war in

ukraine. it ends with a tense, shocking conversation in the oval office and whispers from the white house that they may try to end all u.s. support for ukraine. i know. foreign policy is not for the faint of heart, but right now i am sick to my stomach as the administration appears to be walking away from our allies and embracing putin, a threat to democracy and u.s. values around the world. i'm sort of asking you, as a messaging and comms person, how you. >> make sure that. >> that is the takeaway from that disastrous. oval office meeting and not the frame that you hear republicans using a lot of republicans using, which is our. >> president, put a foreign. >> president in his place. >> you know, i'm glad at. least senator murkowski has been on the right. >> side of a. >> lot of these issues, including when. >> it came time to. >> remove donald. >> trump back. >> when he was impeached for the second time after. >> january 6th. and she's. 100% right about this. and what's. >> so sickening, to use her words, is that. people like marco. >> rubio, who. looked as though he wanted to slink into that

couch and be anywhere but there because they know better. so many of these republicans. >> who were. >> sanctimonious about the importance of american. strength and peace. >> through strength in the world and. >> the. >> importance of our. >> strategic alliances. >> overseas, the importance of nato. >> i remember when. >> republicans were. >> outraged. when barack obama castigated mitt. romney during a presidential. >> debate, saying. >> when he said that when mitt. >> romney said that russia was our biggest threat. >> and he said, oh, no, the 1980s. >> want their foreign. >> policy back this where are all those people now? >> look at lindsey graham. >> what a hypocrite. so many. >> of them. >> this hypocrisy. and lack of courage, they're cowards. is potentially. >> going to change the course of the history of this country and. >> the western alliances. moving forward, because. >> they are. >> too cowardly to stand up for

western democracy and america's. >> position in the world. >> for donald trump. >> it was outrageous. i'm embarrassed. >> for this country. >> every republican. >> that is backing. >> trump and vance's. >> ambush of zelensky. >> who is a hero. this man is. >> a wartime. >> president in europe. >> our grandfathers fought world war two. >> they crossed oceans to make sure that democracy. held in this. >> world against fascism and authoritarianism. >> and what putin and russia represent. and this. >> is the this is. >> what we do to their legacy. it's shameful. >> and every democrat and republican. >> who knows better should be in a line. >> in alliance aligned on. >> their messaging condemning donald trump. >> and what j.d. >> vance did. >> it's so interesting because lindsey graham said he was proud of the oval office blow up, but he said something else in those remarks that i want to play, let's play lindsey graham talking about donald trump and how he's proud of the president.

>> one of. >> european leaders speaks. >> no bad. >> guy listens. >> when trump speaks. everybody is on edge. >> i was. never more proud. >> of president trump than. >> i. was yesterday. he stood up for america. >> he refused. >> to be lectured to. >> and at the end of the day, whether or not zelensky can change, i don't know. but i'm. >> proud of the president. >> charlie, it's shocking that senator graham would say that, particularly about our european allies. it seems to me that the europeans are not about to take this lying down. they have a summit today of european leader, including germany, denmark, italy, italy, the netherlands, france, norway, poland, spain, finland, sweden, the czech republic. arrivals are happening as we speak. we just put it up in london, romania. the turkish foreign minister, the nato secretary general, the president of the european commission and the european council will also attend. even canada is hopping on the flight to make it to london to have this conversation. and during the

summit, it's going to include talks on establishing a european military force to be sent to ukraine that would underpin a cease fire. starmer noted it would involve a coalition of the willing. these are the european leaders arriving to fill the void that donald trump is creating by siding with vladimir putin, charlie. >> what are. >> your what. >> you are describing? >> is the world order being remade in. >> real time right now? >> this is not. >> just a. >> simple adjustment. >> this again. is. >> the world recognizing that, okay, donald. >> trump needs to be taken. seriously and literally and. >> we cannot. >> trust him. >> he is. >> not. >> going to be a reliable ally or negotiator. >> you know, i've. >> given a lot of thought. >> over the years to. >> people like lindsey graham. and by the way, john mccain must be so horrified. to see what his friend is doing right now from wherever he is, is watching this. >> but, you know. >> you think about people like lindsey. >> graham, who i'm sure. >> have been telling. >> themselves over the years that, you know. >> i need to suck up to donald

trump because i need to be in the room. i need to be the adult that stops. bad things from happening. and yet over the last week, what has happened? we have abandoned our allies. we voted with russia in the united nations. we humiliated not just simply berated president zelensky, but humiliated him in a way that world. leaders do not do. what happened in the oval office has never. happened in american history. no american. president has behaved that way in in public. lindsey graham knows. >> this and. >> yet has decided that he's going to continue his sycophancy. >> his his. >> his bending of the knee. and again. at one time you could say, okay, he's being transactional. he's going. >> to prevent us. he's going to prevent. >> donald trump from doing something horrible. but as you watch marco rubio and you watch lindsey graham, you realize there is no red. line there, not the adults in. >> the room. >> they are the invertebrates in. the room who are going to stay silent and then enable. >> the. >> worst things, the worst. >> things that they. >> would have recognized five

minutes ago. and i think this is really what's on display now. >> lisa murkowski. >> i really liked her, her. >> comment and the fact that she's talking about how, you know, her stomach is turning. it felt real. >> maybe she should have thought of that before she voted to confirm tulsi. >> gabbard as the. >> director of national intelligence. >> that's true. >> she was wrong on that. >> she was wrong on. >> that issue. >> raising a glass on that one. charlie. >> charlie. >> charlie and tara, please both stick around with us. we have more to chat about, like donald trump's joint address to congress on tuesday and next hour, folks. peter baker, the new york times chief white house correspondent, tells us about trump's major changes to white house press access. you're house press access. you're watching the weekend. ♪ (male vo) big. (female vo) small. essential. (male vo) big. small. essential.

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trumpian about. standing before a legislative. body that his party controls. >> and touting. >> accomplishments that he has accomplished without them. because he has such little regard for that legislative body. for the people who. elected the members of. >> that legislative. >> body. >> that he. >> is going to. >> go and brag. >> about the fact. >> that he is. >> already operating as. >> a king. >> i think the word is authoritarian. he has completely neutered the united states congress. particularly democrats. i mean, not democrats. republicans in particular. i don't know, i. >> think they're all trying to. >> find themselves and standing up for things and just allowing their power as congress to be completely taken from them by donald trump. once again, i remember there were times where republicans were quite upset about a few executive orders that barack obama issued, and they thought, oh, this is an

imperialist president. and how dare they? they were pearl clutching with that, particularly lindsey graham and others. and so, you know, where. >> is all of that? where is all of that ruling by executive. >> order is not the way our country. >> is supposed. >> to function. and the fact that donald trump is doing that repeatedly and some of them are unconstitutional. i mean, they're questionably constitutional and they're just like, yeah, okay, that's fine. but the other part about this, i think the other word i would use is unconscionable because donald trump will be returning to the scene of the crime that he was behind. >> this is where january. >> he this is the first time he'll be back since january 6th happened. and how many of the capitol. police officers who put their lives on the line that day are going to have to be there to protect that building again for this event? how many of the members of congress who were traumatized that day will have to be there in that chamber, and staring at the man who was behind that, that almost took down our free and fair elections and our government. i think. it's appalling, and i think. we

really need a national reckoning as a country to be reminded of what happened that day and that the american people chose to put that man back there and give him power again. there is something fundamentally very wrong with us as a country who the ones who chose to put that man back in power, who claimed to be pro law and order and pro the constitution. i think democrats should either if they don't go then, or if they do go, then they should. they should sit there in silence. there shouldn't be any glad handing when he walks down that aisle. they should turn their backs on him in silence to make it known that they are not okay with this, and that they are standing up for our democracy, and they are not going to fawn over an american president who disrespects everything about this country and our constitution. >> yeah, but the price of eggs, charlie, that's that's what 2024 boil down to, to tara's point about what what the democrats

could be doing, should be doing maybe doing. you do have nancy pelosi making note. let him stew in his own juice. you know, she tore up his his speech at one point during one of these sessions. so yeah, let the let let him, i guess somewhat to tara's point, stand there alone without their support. how do you see the democrats strategy here? because it is going to be an interesting moment. i mean, the congress is i mean, i would say make one correction. trump didn't neuter the congress. the congress neutered itself. i mean, it took it took the it took the clippers and did the deed itself. so what what say you, sir? >> okay. >> so let's go to this. >> point because that's an excellent one in the constitution. >> the article one, the first article is the power of congress.

>> so the founders. >> envisioned congress as being the most important branch of government. you think about. >> donald trump's power. >> it rests. >> on what. >> four republican senators not willing to call bs on this. his margin in the house is just a. >> handful. >> literally a half dozen republicans could essentially say, no, we are the congress of the united states. you know, we don't have to bend the knee to this narcissistic bully in the white house. >> so it this is a surrender. >> by congress. you know, i've been thinking about this all morning. >> what what democrats. should do, i you know. >> the only thing i can say is. >> that recognize. >> how completely abnormal this moment is. and i think that part of what donald trump has done is he has shattered all of the norms. he has executed this constitutional revolution, and yet he wants to have the trappings. >> of the. >> constitutional order around him. >> the institutions still. >> stand, but he is draining

them of meaning. and of power. and i think people need to recognize how utterly. abnormal it is. now, does that mean booing? no. does that mean standing in, turning your back? no. if i was a member of congress. >> quite frankly. >> i don't think i'd show up. it's like no, you know what? i'm not going. a lot of the democrats will. >> but i do think. >> that that again. >> no. glenn had no. >> no glad handing. there can't. >> be any of the. >> normal rituals of all of this. >> and the nancy. >> pelosi suggestion. make it a short, clear message. make it clear to the american people that they are not accepting this, that they are going to fight. a fight against this. and this is an. >> extraordinary moment. >> in american history. this is not just. >> one more episode. and i know that we all. >> say that kind of thing, but i think. >> that at some point. >> if you say this is an existential. >> crisis. >> this is a constitutional. >> crisis. >> act like it. behave like it. don't pretend it's same old,

same old. >> i think that is absolutely correct. the former strategist in me says democrats should collectively not attend, including leader jeffries, and then they should hold a press conference after the response of elissa slotkin, who's delivering the democratic response. we'll see. i think the democrats are going and that's part of the problem, right? right here. >> but but. >> but you. >> see that that that hakeem jeffries and chuck schumer and they're still trying to say, well, we're going to show unity and blah blah blah. and i'm like, well, if you're going to go, then you need to go and do something to charlie's point. point drastic to send the message. >> i would do, i would attend, do not attend, do not attend. part of you know what? we'll have more time to talk about it. i'll be taking wagers on my instagram account about if the democrats are going. charlie. tara. thank you tuesday, folks. remember, we're not going, but we'll be here to talk about it. be sure to tune in to msnbc for our special coverage of donald

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children. >> and afford her mortgage. >> mandel was fired. simply because she. >> had been. >> in her position for less than a year, which is known as probationary. >> period for most. >> federal employees. mandel joins us now. >> thank you so much for being here. i spoke to someone who's a general counsel at one of the agencies who's currently on administrative leave with the promise of being fired, but with a proposed termination. and i said, what do you want people to know about what is happening? and how are folks feeling? and this person said, we are living through a coup. do you feel that way? yes, definitely. it's been so unreal. the way we were fired, the way they went about it was just so cold and callous. we got fired over a video call. yeah, they sent us a teams message. and told us to click on this message and join this meeting. so we joined the meeting at 2:00. we sat on hold at the meeting until 230. there

was a lady on the teams call telling us that if we had a union, we should contact our union rep and get them on the phone. and another lady said, well, we were told we couldn't have any supervisors or anything on the call. and after she said, well, we're all probably about to get fired anyway. so she said, i think you should get your union reps on the phone and turn on your cameras and let them know. and then everything went silent. they disabled our chat, disabled our video, disabled. our mics. and we sat there for 30 minutes. and then they sent another message out to us, told us to click on it. we clicked on it and it told us that it we were fired basically. they said we were in our our probationary period and that at 3:00 this was about 230 we would be terminated. and i just want who fired, who ended up getting on the video call was no. one you recognized? no. i'm assuming it was the new director of opm, but he never announced. he never said who he was or anything.

>> the cruelty is the point. the disregard for you and your service is the point. and in many cases, the people doing the firing are the most competent, most incompetent people in this whole thing because they don't know the jobs that you're doing, whether it's at the office of personnel management or, you know, some other agency. we do have, for example, efforts that are underway to provide some level of support for our federal employees here in the dmv, the district, maryland and virginia. there is a very large number of federal employees, but the vast majority of them are outside of this area. and what we're seeing, governor westmore has launched an initiative to support the federal workers, at least in maryland, with job search portal featuring 130,000

open jobs in the private sector. resources to learn about housing support benefits, recruitment of federal workers into open state jobs, and hiring fair fares with local and county leaders. so these are important steps that you know, the governor can do here. and the mayor of d.c. and don't know what they're doing in virginia quite yet. how do you make that transition when you're career? your your personal choice was to be a civil servant and to work on behalf of the american people and providing them the services that you did or even even in the short time you were there. the proposed the probationary period, folks, is really to sort of do a little quasi evaluation, right? so unless you're a real screw up. >> yeah. >> you're not going to get fired. and it's certainly because you wouldn't have been hired in the first place if you were that individual. so these are competent people. we want to

be clear about that because people here probationary and they think, well, they were kind of hinky anyway. it wasn't they probably weren't that good for the job, but that's not the case. how do you now reconcile this? it's part of your career choices. given that this administration doesn't give a damn about the choices that you made to serve the american people? >> right now, i just have to. i can't wallow in it. right? so i have to. i'm just sending out my resume. i had to update my resume and just apply for new jobs. i wanted to i'm speaking out as much as i can because i want everybody to know what's happening because i don't think it's right. but right now, i'm i'm a little lost. i don't know, you know, what's going to happen. i've applied for unemployment. there's you know, we have to wait for that. there's a 21 day waiting period for that to process. and i'm just trying to, you know, be strong for myself, be strong for

my family. and just. >> you weren't in the federal union? yes, you are in the u.s. so how was the union working with with you guys and what steps do you think they are or should be taking to try to get these jobs back? >> well, they they have said that they filed lawsuits and they are keeping in touch with with us through emails and letting us know what the process, what processes we have to take to file an appeal or join into class action lawsuits. they are really supportive. we're having a rally on tuesday. i'm going to speak at that rally in front of opm lunchtime. but they're they have been because i just joined the union like not too long ago before i was fired. but they they are supportive. >> i just want to recognize your. bravery in the fact that you are already going through. >> what is a. >> personal period. >> of. >> chaos in the midst of a national period. >> of chaos? >> the fact that you. >> are. >> here, the fact that you are

showing up. thank you for that. you, as you know, are not alone. there was a piece in nbc about. >> the fact. >> that federal. >> workers across the board are fighting back, some saying they feel they've been radicalized. well, there are conflicts between trump and civil servants in his first term. trump may now. >> be creating. >> the broad resistance within. >> the federal. >> government he thought was there all along. >> protests opposing the cuts and. >> supporting laid. >> off workers have. >> started popping up, but the real hotbed of organizing has been happening online, in signal chats, on facebook and in the. >> popular fed. >> news channel on reddit. >> where. >> federal workers. >> are sharing advice, talking about their experiences and encouraging opposition. one form of that opposition could be federal. workers running for office. have you yourself thought about running for office? >> i have thought about it. i, i think maybe the day before i was fired, i was looking in my district to see what seats were available because i, i can't just say i want to see a change. i have to be the change.

especially now with this administration, i have to do whatever i can to try to change it. we were kind of chatting in the break, and i know you caught our conversation at the end. i am inspired by you because you just as alicia said, your bravery like the federal workers, the people who are putting, you know, you you're putting yourself out there. you y'all are the heroes, in my opinion here. what do you think about the conversation we're having about democrats? and should they go to the state of the union? how are you just feeling about democratic elected officials response to this moment? i don't have a problem with them not going. stay home. >> show. >> show, show him that you're not going to just lie down and take it. if you go there, you're you're kind of showing that you you're supporting this nonsense that's going on. >> and making it normal. >> yes. it's not. >> this. >> is a presidential speech. we got to know. you don't have to be there. >> not normal. just like nancy pelosi tore up that speech at that. take a stand. take a take

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ukraine's president zelenskyy is about to be welcomed at the ukraine summit in london. canadian prime minister justin trudeau arrived just moments ago. britain's keir starmer told zelenskyy yesterday that he's giving him his full backing. congresswoman sara jacobs of california joins us now. she is a member of both the armed services and foreign affairs committees. >> congresswoman, welcome to the table. this morning. you have the realignment of nato, the realignment of the g8, the realignment of our relationship with our allies as they are gathering in europe to put together a plan for peace for ukraine. while the united states sits here alone, isolated, but with their new bosom buddy, mr. vladimir putin. you the. probably the most disturbing part for me is the reaction of

republican senators in particular. and i want to play for you just a small little mash up of senator lindsey graham, what we call the before times and the now times. let's listen to senator graham. >> i want to tell you. >> and your people. >> you're the ally i've been hoping. >> for. >> all my life. not one american has died defending ukraine. you've taken our weapons and you've kicked their. and i'm very proud to. >> have you as our ally. >> so would. >> i think, complete, utter disaster. what i saw in the oval office was disrespectful. and i don't know if we can ever do business with zelensky again. >> he either needs to. >> resign and send somebody over that we. >> can do business with, or he needs. >> to change. >> you have elon musk, who is an unelected official of this administration now out here pushing that we leave nato.

>> all right. the secretary general just arrived. >> the secretary general just. arrived in this conversation in london. your assessment of, as a member of congress, of what you witnessed and what what you think the next posture of this government of the united states should be. because clearly, the government is going in one direction. i still sense the american people are not necessarily moving in that direction. >> well, i think that's right. and look, i think what we saw was shameful and horrible, right? the supposed leader of the free world siding with an autocrat over democracy and over the sort of order that has kept the peace in europe since before any of us were born. even you, michael. thank you. >> way before i was born. >> and so, you know, i think that i think that it's important that we speak up and talk about the importance of this alliance, this nato alliance, why we're

helping ukraine, because it's not just about ukraine, right. it's about standing up for democracy everywhere. and i think it's also important that republicans in congress who know this, who i know in private conversations, are horrified by what happened. speak up and stand up, because they're the only ones who have the ability to push back right now in the real institutional ways that we need. >> i think it's important to note, congresswoman, that the meeting inside. >> the oval office. >> which is, of course, gotten a lot of attention for good reason, is set against the backdrop. of our president threatening tariffs against a variety. of our allies making accusations against. >> europe. >> saying that they are out, that the eu is out to get. >> america, and. >> you have the eu pushing back hard against that notion. this is from the ap. >> the eu was formed to. >> screw anyone, poland prime minister donald tusk said in an ex post. quite the opposite. it was formed to maintain peace, to build respect. >> among our. >> nations, to create free. >> and.

>> fair trade, and to strengthen our transatlantic friendship. as simple as that. i wonder. how you. >> counter the narrative that is. coming out of this administration. >> that we are somehow adversaries with our. >> allies, or that. >> our allies are out to screw us. >> and. >> and, and explain to folks that. >> we're actually talking about how you keep america and the. >> rest of the world safe. >> yeah, it's such a good question, alicia, because i think this is key, right? this is not things that we're doing out of the goodness of our heart. it's not things that we're doing because it's the, you know, feels good. it's not charity, right? the things we do, the things usaid does that alliances we have with europe, these are things that keep america safe and keep americans safe. and, you know, i represent san diego, a border community. i'm really concerned about what these tariffs are going to mean because we rely on mexico for a lot of partnership, whether it's partnership on immigration or on sewage that comes across the border to san diego. and the more we're antagonizing our

partners like canada and mexico and the eu, the less we're going to be able to work with them on the things that we need to happen and that require partnership across multiple countries. >> the people are wondering how they're just going to afford anything. small businesses, even medium sized businesses, the american people. i mean, honey, now eggs are like a delicacy. when you go to the some grocery stores, you can't even find the egg. yeah. given what is happening. companies are saying, and this is according to new york times, that they might have to raise prices to offset expenses if they haven't already. some companies are talking about a business paralysis. just i don't know if this has been if the american people have connected the two yet that the prices are very high. still, companies might have to raise prices even more. and it's due to the policies of this administration and the president and republicans who are going along with it. how do you connect the dots for the american people in a way that they feel it and understand it,

and want to do something differently at the ballot box? >> yeah. >> so first of all, i think it's important to explain how tariffs actually work, right? tariffs are not actually paid by the country. they're paid by the importing business. the us business that imports that good. which means it's american businesses that are going to be bearing the cost of these tariffs. and that means that american consumers are going to be the ones having to bear that cost, because they're going to pass it down. my state of the union guest is a small business in san diego, who told me her business will basically probably not be able to survive if these tariffs go through. tariffs on food, on canned goods, on meat. not to mention we have a housing crisis in this country and we're about to put tariffs on steel and wood from canada. these things that are incredibly important. so like some tariffs can be useful when they're specific because you want to protect a domestic industry. but these kinds of broad based tariffs are only going to hurt american people. in fact one study says that the average american family is going to have

$2,600 more worth of costs per year just because of these tariffs. not to mention the fact that donald trump has gotten rid of the people who are monitoring avian flu. so we can't even figure out how to fix it, to be able to get the price of eggs back down. >> you mentioned the upcoming speech by the president on tuesday. we've been having a conversation we had. this is former member of the federal government fired, summarily fired by elon musk and donald trump. and there's a growing sentiment out there among the american people about making a statement this tuesday that this is not normal, that members of congress should not be gladhanding and wanting to take their picture with the president as he comes down the aisle and smiles because people are being hurt. families are now finding themselves in very difficult situations. you mentioned you're

going to have a guest there. but there's a growing sentiment that democrats show unity with the country and not attend. what what's your thinking there? and how you are looking at this tuesday's speech? >> yeah. so we're still having conversations as a caucus on exactly what that is going to look like. but we for sure are going to be doing something. and there will be, you know, unity in action. and people will see that we are standing up now. i plan on attending, unless, you know, we all decide otherwise, in part because i think it's important that as donald trump is saying these things, he has to look at us. he has to see us there in the chamber in our house. right. it is in the house of representatives that the speech has. he doesn't get to run us out of our house. we will be there and he will have to say these things to us. now, that doesn't mean that we're not going to be doing actions, but i think the actions will be more meaningful in the room, in our house, in our body, that he doesn't get to decide who gets to come in and out.

>> right. congresswoman sara jacobs is defending the presence. we, michael. and i think people shouldn't be going, but you make an interesting argument. what do you think, mr. chairman? >> i don't know, congressman. congresswoman sara jacobs, thank you very much. appreciate you. i had congresswoman melanie stansbury, the top democrat on the doge subcommittee. we'll discuss holding elon musk's group accountable. we'll get into that. and be sure to follow our show on social media. our handle everywhere is at the handle everywhere is at the weekend msnbc. hot. sexy. oooh! beak's up! [gasp] we're trapped by dishes. don't worry. they've got new dawn powersuds. it'll power through this whole pile with ease. yeah, it's the dish soap with two times more powerful suds. (giggles) lucky ducks! dawn's first suds that trap, lock and remove 99% of grease. so it doesn't get passed from dish... to dish. cleaned and stacked. like ducks in a row. heh. good one.

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>> but i do have calls. >> it's cause i feel like, you know, come on, glitch. >> okay. mike myers would. >> be funny if we were in. a talking about. >> you know. >> the. >> you know, the destruction of a people, their entire country trampling on their sovereignty. and, you know, possibly, you know, the trampling of europe, the europe, because no one believes vladimir putin is going to stop the zelensky. we kind of mentioned it the other day. but when he was asked about not wearing a suit, it was marjorie taylor greene's boyfriend that asked him. that was a reporter that had access to the oval office. when reuters and the associated press didn't. but zelensky isn't wearing a suit because he said he wasn't going to wear a suit while his country is under. >> three years ago. >> yes, just like winston churchill, when they were under siege, didn't wear a suit the entire time. i just think it's just this performance. yes. >> it's performative. it's

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