>> and. >> welcome back to the weekend. new overnight. hampton dellinger, the head of the office of special counsel, will remain in his post for now after a federal judge ruled last night

that trump's attempts to fire the head of the government's independent watchdog agency were unlawful. it's the latest legal setback for trump as he looks to remake the federal government. elon musk's doge is the target of several lawsuits, but musk isn't stopping his work while those challenges work their way through the courts. no, no, no. in fact, federal workers have until midnight tomorrow to respond to yet another doge email asking them what they did last week. joining us now is democratic congresswoman melanie stansbury of new mexico. she is the ranking member on the house doge subcommittee. that's got to be a lot of fun. >> i mean, to say the least. congresswoman, you have you have really been the lead democrat as the ranking member in these doge subcommittee hearings, who have been just calling out the things you say. you notably asked elon musk to come testify in the first hearing. i want to play

you in the doge subcommittee hearing on foreign aid. you called out the reordering of international affairs on wednesday. take a listen, folks. >> so today, in this hearing on foreign aid, which the gop has called, you're going to hear. >> all kinds. >> of wild conspiracy theories, accusations and unfounded data. it's designed to confuse and provide cover for donald trump and elon musk in their reckless gutting of our foreign aid and our reordering under the trump administration of international affairs. well. it's true, that's what they're doing. and that was actually two days before what happened in the oval office on friday. but it was already i think the writing was on the wall. >> yeah. and i think it is important. >> that you were. >> connecting those dots. >> congresswoman alicia. >> menendez in. >> new york. it is good. >> to see you. >> i want to ask you. >> about. >> hampton dellinger. we talked a little bit on the show yesterday. >> about the role that

dellinger. >> plays, the. >> the importance. >> of having. >> a person. >> who is in charge of. >> protecting government. >> employees and whistleblowers who may. >> come forward. >> of course, donald trump moved to fire dellinger courts, as simon was just reading in that intro, have paused that firing. your response to where. >> we. >> find ourselves in these, in this moment where. folks who are supposed to have. >> that. >> type of oversight. >> and protective mechanism. >> are at risk. >> of being. >> replaced by. trump loyalists. and your feelings on whether or not the. >> supreme court. >> will uphold that ruling? >> yeah. well, i mean, it's very obvious that donald trump does not adhere to the rule of law and that he thinks he can do whatever he wants, and he's got his people all over washington, all over tv saying that he's got this unitary executive power. and i think he believes that the supreme court is going to rule in his favor on whatever is put in front of him, because just like so many of the other folks

who are serving in this administration, he is involved in a scheme that helped, you know, buy and sell some of our supreme court justices. but, you know, what elon musk is doing is reckless. it's illegal every single day. they are breaking the law. and they have fundamentally dismantled all of the oversight inside the federal government that would hold them accountable. they fired the igs, they fired federal workers who do oversight, and they've refused to appear before congress. and even though my republican colleagues, by and large, are not calling them out publicly, they are telling us behind closed doors that they are alarmed. they are upset. they are calling cabinet secretaries. they are calling the white house. so people know this is not normal and that they're breaking the law. >> so, congresswoman, you said something there that, you know, at this point in this stage of everything that's happening, i'm at the point i get it when i hear, you know, quietly behind the scenes, they're telling me this. i just start naming names. i just think i think, to be

honest, because this is part of the problem. this two faced crazy where they're going to sit out and get in front of the cameras and lie directly to the american people and stand up and support the dismantling of their own jobs. because y'all know you're next, because you're proving yourself to be useless to elon musk and donald trump. and i think symone even raised the question yesterday, why do you even need a congress? right. >> was like, it's looking like it's not even necessary. >> not even necessary. so i think it's i think it's time we start in taking these private conversations public. that's just my opinion. that's what i'd be doing. so y'all. >> well, congresswoman, i'm not asking. i do. have a name, but i do have. >> a question i do have. i just wanted to make the point because my question. so you now have doj's deciding that. oh, well, i guess the 19 year olds can't read 300,000 emails. right? so we're going to use ai to assess the responses of the federal

workers, as i noted in the lead, in that they now have to provide on a regular basis, noting the information will go into an llm large language model, an advanced ai system that looks at huge amounts of text data to understand, generate and process human language, the sources said. the ai system will determine whether someone's work is mission critical or not. so now, because they're incompetent boob heads to begin with and they don't know what they're doing, they're going to push every all of this off to ai. further confusing and making this process difficult on the human beings who are at the other end of those ai decisions. >> and compromising our data security. >> well. >> that's the end game right there. talk about that. i mean, tell us what that looks like. >> well, you know, we just saw a couple days ago a bunch of folks left the digital service, which is the entity that was created, by the way, by the obama

administration to modernize the federal government and its data systems. and over 20 of those federal officials quit because they were basically asked to do things that were unethical, illegal, and would not only compromise the privacy of american data, it would compromise the national security of this country. now, taking data, whether it's treasury system data, irs data, your tax data, your social security data, and putting it into external servers and searching that data, whether it's emails, your private data that compromises your privacy as an american, and it compromises data about what the government does, and that is a national security issue. now, obviously, donald trump is cozying up to putin. he's dismantling federal agencies. they're making the military weaker. but at the end of the day, we have to really ask what is going on here, because it's not about government efficiency. if it was, then elon musk wouldn't be giving himself multi-million dollar contracts out of these so-called savings.

right, right. we think there's something else going on here, and obviously it's in service of putin's end goal, which is to make the united states more vulnerable. and i think they're a part of the problem. >> i mean, it can't be about the cuts. as the congresswoman said, new mexico park rangers spoke out about the doge cuts on thursday. and this is just what folks out there in america have to say about this. >> it's really difficult. to describe the anguish that you can see on people's faces. >> when they're told that they have to. walk away from the job that they absolutely. >> love dearly. these are the people that sell you tickets, give you programs, right? they rescue you from trails if you fall and break your ankle. all of us chose to take. >> this pay. >> cut, chose to be here because we believe in a form of mission. it doesn't have to be the. >> national parks mission. it could be a personal. >> mission without. those connections. pieces of land are just pieces of land.

>> oh 2000 probationary employees have been fired from under doge from the national park service. 1000 additional layoffs to the chairman's point. if you'd like to name names, we'll take them. if you're not willing to name names, i understand this morning. i do think it's everybody should think about. but why are these democrats? did you like republicans that you sit on these committees with that are like, yes, they're concerned, but what is their red line? because the people out there in america. >> that's a good question. >> you know, like they're concerned. but what's the red line. >> yeah. what is the red line. >> what is the red line. >> that is the question. i mean i don't think i need to name names. turn on the tv. if you see a republican talking, they know what's up. >> okay. >> let's be real about what's actually going on. i mean, we've all seen the videos. people are going home. they're having veterans stand up and say, i'm a republican, i'm a veteran. i serve this country and you're decimating the federal government. >> those are paid democratic plans. >> oh, that's. >> right, they're. >> paid protesters, right? yeah. and we've seen that playbook before. but no, i mean, listen,

i mean, i'm really glad that you showed some folks that are actually in the field. in my district, we have a tribal college. these are similar to hbcus. they literally two weeks ago on a friday in the middle of the day, walked in and told faculty who had taught for 30, 40 years in that school that they were being dismissed in that probationary firing, and they were told to leave campus in the middle of the school day in front of students. when people talk about the devastating impacts of what's going on, we're talking about teachers, firefighters, veterans. we're talking about civilians serving in the military, people who have given their life in service to this country. and what they're doing is disgusting. it's harmful and it's illegal, and we're going to continue to hold them to account. >> congressman, real quick, before we go, i wonder what you anticipate hearing. >> from the president. >> on tuesday and. >> what you can. >> tell. us about what we can expect to hear from senator slotkin? >> well, i think we can never anticipate what's going to come out of this president's mouth. so let's be real about that.

but, you know, i've seen that you all have been asking folks about whether or not they're going to attend. and yeah. let's just go there. i know, i know, it's coming. >> elephant in. >> the room. >> let's talk about this. so let's just say, you know, i think you asked a little earlier, are we going to see some solidarity with the american people. and the answer is yes. and i think some of us are prepared to get into some good trouble. >> okay. now, that's. >> all right. now. >> all right, on that note, somewhere, john lewis is smiling. >> congresswoman melanie. >> stansbury, thank you so much for being with us. our next guest. >> compared trump's. treatment of. >> the press last week. >> to the early days of vladimir putin. >> the new york times peter baker joins us to explain. you're watching the weekend on you're watching the weekend on msnbc. i was scared when i was told age related macular degeneration could jeopardize my vision. it was hard, but taking preservision was easy. preservision has the exact clinically proven areds 2 formula recommended by the nei. i'm taking control like millions of others. now is the perfect

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allowed. >> in the white house press pool. >> a move that breaks. >> with decades of precedent. just this morning, the associated press was denied access to the press pool at mar a lago, where reporters. from conservative outlets. >> real america's. >> voice and the daily wire are taking their place. in a new piece on msnbc.com, our own. symone writes, quote, the. >> people in power do not get to decide who writes about them or what they write. that only happens. >> in dictatorships and autocracies. with us now, the. >> new. >> york times chief white house correspondent peter baker. >> oh, peter. >> welcome. >> you know, can i just say, when i was at the white house, i used to battle with a lot of reporters, peter baker included. okay. there were many times where, you know, i do wish that i could have picked who was traveling with us that day. our last trip to france before i left the white house is one of those. i there were many times where, you know, the team would go through great pains to get the reporters all these things, and then you see the story and

it's like, oh, it's not. i don't love it all. i don't hate it all. sometimes you hate it. but that is the beauty of america. it's my job as the press person is to work with you all, to get you as much information as possible to, to help, you know, frame up the story, if you will. but it is the reporter's job to take what i'm saying, but also get the context and then put it out there for the american people. what is happening with this white house is not only disturbing, it is catastrophic because what you all are the conduit. you are the first. you're writing the first draft of history. and what happens when the first draft is heavily edited and redacted? >> well, look, it is an adversarial relationship, as it's supposed to be, between the press and the people in power, whether it's democrat or republican, is not unique to trump. but hopefully it's also a professional relationship that can be both things. but it's not up to people in power, or at least hasn't been under democrats or republicans going back as long as any of us have been alive, in which a president picked who was in that press

pool. now, a lot of viewers may say, who cares? what's what's that? what's that mean? well, what it means is you're going to get questions more and more from people like telesur about your moral courage. tell us about your great poll results, as opposed to, you know, challenging questions, which is what a reporter is supposed to do in that circumstance. now, some of the mainstream press is still in that press pool. but what he has done by kicking out the associated press explicitly and overtly because of the words that they have written, because of their coverage, is he's put them all on notice. all of us on notice that if you write something i don't like, i can get rid of you. >> and that is. >> the point. if you don't, if you write something i don't like, i will get rid of you. and that has the chilling effect on not just the press, but you see that then ripple out to other institutions and individuals who are watching what's happened. because you are a representation of the freedom that is embodied in our constitution. you what

you do is the only job that's actually referenced in the constitution, right? so it signals the importance you wrote. i thought, you've written so many powerful pieces in the last few weeks, but last wednesday you wrote america is no russia. the history there is so fraught and complicated. certainly many russian journalists would still rather live in washington these days. the moscow confident that america's tradition of free press and democratic ideals remains far stronger than what exists back home. but in decades of reporting in washington under republicans and democrats, it has never quite felt like this. >> yeah, yeah. so i was based in moscow for four years, the early four years of vladimir putin's term with my wife, susan glasser, for the washington post. and what we saw in that four years is feeling very familiar to us now in washington. the crackdown on independent press, the taming of the oligarchs was what they

called them there. we can call them tycoons or billionaire tech bros or whatever we want to call them here. the, you know, piece by piece, the neutralizing of alternative centers of power or influence in society. now, it got a lot worse after we left, but that chill that we were feeling in those early four years of putin's time there we were having flashbacks. we're feeling that here now. and the it's a slippery slope, the heads in a in a very bad direction. now, as i said, america is not russia. we shouldn't overstate this comparison. but the fear factor is what feels most striking to me. when we got to russia, people were pretty open about talking with us. by the time we left, people who talked to us freely were no longer talking to us, no longer returning our calls. and i'm feeling that here in washington, people who used to speak out about trump, democrats as well as never-trump republicans don't want to be quoted anymore. please don't use my name. i can't go on television. i don't know if you find that getting gas, but i find trying to get people in my stories, they don't want to have their names out there because they're afraid of

what could happen. >> it's the same conversation we. >> were. >> just having with melanie stansbury. about the fact that. >> a lot of her. >> republican colleagues. >> are willing. >> to whisper. into her ear about how upset they are and how their phone banking the white house. they're not. >> so brave as. >> to. >> say that out in public. listen, i want to acknowledge some of the discomfort here, peter, of the fact that as. >> journalists. >> part of. >> the deal is never. >> making yourself a. >> part. >> of the. >> story, and this. >> now becomes an inevitability that you. >> have a. >> press, a. >> free press. >> that is in. >> direct is part of the story. now, the president has made the press a part of the story. and so my question to you is who then the press appeals to? we've seen appeals to courts. for example, on. >> monday you. >> had. >> a judge rejecting. >> the ap's access. >> to the white house, urging. >> the government. >> to reconsider. >> judge mcfadden said the ap. >> had not. proven harm, requiring an immediate. >> restraining order, but he. >> cautioned the white house that the law. >> wasn't on. >> its side in. >> barring ap. >> over continuing to refer.

>> to the gulf of. >> mexico. >> not simply. >> the. >> gulf of. >> america. >> as trump. >> decreed in. >> an. >> executive order. just want. >> to. note that. >> judge was a judge. >> appointed by donald. >> trump in 2017. >> who do you. >> appeal to? who comes. >> to the aid of the. press here? >> yeah. basically nobody. look, you know, the associate press lawsuit will continue. this is just about the temporary restraining order. so we're not done with that. we'll see where that goes. and we have conversations among ourselves about what kinds of responses we as a press should take. but you're right. we don't like to be the story. we don't want to be the story. it's not our job to be the story. it's our job to cover it. and i think that trump enjoys making us the villain or the enemy or whatever he calls us, the enemies of the people. fake news, all those pejorative terms in order to discredit us. he once said that to lesley stahl. i always remember this. lesley stahl asked him once off camera, unfortunately, why do you always attack reporters in the media? and he said, in order to discredit you so that when you write things i don't like, people won't believe you. and he

even said once in a speech in his first term, i remember this very vividly. he said, don't trust anybody but me. right. you know who also says that? vladimir putin says that. and again, you don't want to take these comparisons too far, but it's a striking sense of, of control. and, and to that point, last point on the associated press, remember what you just pointed out, what he is objecting to. they use the phrase gulf of mexico, not the gulf of mexico. well, most of the world still uses gulf of mexico. and the ap is an international organization. but you know, who also tries to dictate what language that reporters use? again, vladimir putin, you're not allowed to call the war in ukraine a war. you have to call it a special military operation. when people in power get to dictate to the press what words they use, what terms they use, much less what they actually write about them. that's a whole pernicious system. >> we have been talking about the lack of republicans who are willing to, you know, stand up to the president and even some democrats. you know, right now,

we have there's reporting from axios that hakeem jeffries, the leader, wants. the democratic leader wants democrats to attend and bring their guests who have been affected by doge. and there are others who are saying, no, we should not be there. so you've got that happening within the democratic party apparatus. you've got republican members of congress who are just seeing their constitutional authority as a co-equal branch of government, while elon musk raids the federal government. they're just they're calling up the white house saying, please don't do this quietly. but again, not putting their name on the record. but when it comes to the reporters, i was struck by this is the pool report where the press sends out like, what is happening? and this was this morning as we gathered, pool once again saw our associated press colleagues turned away from joining the pool by white house staffer and their reporters from real america's voice and the daily wire and the pool, as they have been since friday. much like how if republicans would like to, you know, assert their co-equal branch of their authority, they need to actually stand up and say something. what is going on with all of the white house reporters like, why? why are your colleagues being barred? >> yeah. >> why is everybody on the bus?

>> yeah i understand, look, it's a good question. and we're having a debate about this right now. all of us are having this debate among ourselves. we're texting and calling and having meetings and so forth. and it's not an easy question because first of all, if you don't do what if you take some sort of action like a boycott, you have to do it collectively. it doesn't work to have 1 or 2 organizations do it. and you know and you know that getting all press people to do the same thing is like herding cats, right? we are not. >> herding cats is easier. >> herding cats is easier. we are not built genetically to work together. we're competitive by nature. and so that's the first thing. second thing i think, you know, on the one hand i think, yes, why should we go in there when our colleagues are being barred? that is almost accepting this as if that was acceptable. and it's not. but to alicia's point, we don't want to be the story. so is it just performative? if we all say, walk out one day, or are we playing into his hands because he wants us to? so he fills even more seats with people who won't ask him tough questions? and shouldn't there at least be an effort to get at least somebody in that pool who is still asking him tough questions rather than,

you know, people are not? so i can play both sides on that debate. i have my position in our in our internal conversations that i won't go into, but it's a it's kind of a tough choice. >> i just i know we're going. i just want to say to that to the last point, i think, peter, the journalists are finding will find themselves to be freed up. if donald trump wants to stack the press pool with sycophantic reporters like the idiot who asked, you know zelensky about wearing a suit, let him do that, because then you're freed up to report. without the without those restrictions, you can then call the balls and strikes the way they're playing out, whether you're in the room or not. >> and keep in mind, we do do that even while we're. >> i know, i know, but i'm. >> just saying. >> i know what you're saying. yeah. and we being in the pool is not the best way to be a white house reporter anyway. >> exactly. >> but the question is, does he get pushed on things he doesn't want to be pushed on? >> right. well, you know what? i think peter baker has taken a hard line. he's out here reporting the stories, doing the work. so as susan glasser and

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role in potential peace talks between ukraine and russia less likely than ever. here's what speaker mike johnson had to say on president zelensky this morning. >> the way that. >> that went. >> down was was very disappointing. >> i hope and pray. frankly that president. zelensky will come to. >> his senses. >> come. back to. >> president trump. >> express gratitude. >> as he. >> should. >> you know. >> apologize for. >> his behavior. >> there and. >> accept this mineral. >> rights deal. because that is the best. >> way for us to. >> get to. >> a point of peace over there in that region. >> and it's. in the. >> interest of. >> both countries. >> so i ain't got nothing on that. >> so what you got? >> well, because that's just that's just stupid. you know, that's just, you know, more, you know, taking baby powder and putting it on trump's behind. so i just leave that alone. the key thing to me about this whole nobel peace prize, seriously, that has stuck in his craw since barack obama. and that's what

this is all about. at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. and whether you get, you know, duffy trump, you know, you know, out there. >> rachel campos-duffy. >> rachel campos-duffy, yes. >> all of that. you know, pushing this stuff out there. it's crazy. >> well. >> but can we actually listen can we. >> listen to. >> it, michael. >> because i think we're going to talk about a nobel peace prize. >> i think i think listening to the way they are trying to turn this around is worth doing. >> take a listen. >> we'll talk. >> about it. >> on the other side. >> the most. >> important point. >> that donald trump. >> made in this whole thing, he. >> said, you. >> are. >> gambling with world war three. this was about peace. ultimately, i think. what's remarkable is that we. >> have a president. >> who is. >> willing to do. >> anything to bring about world peace. man. >> if he doesn't get the if he doesn't get the nobel peace prize. >> after this, that thing, it means nothing. >> i mean, get you get you a very well. kroft. good looking

trump. upper middle class lady to flip. >> it and reverse it. >> to flip it and reverse for you, honey. i we love to see it. >> so, you know, folks, everything is performative. we are in this reality tv political space in which we're watching the devolution of institutions in the constitution and the rule of law and the rights of citizens. and i just can't, can't emphasize enough. we listen to miss mundell this morning. who is not a victim of this, but someone who is an example of the cruelty and the ugliness of this administration. you don't award a peace prize for that. i'm sorry. miss duffy, that's that's just crazy. crazy language you're talking there. and no one believes it. donald trump has done nothing. zero to advance peace anywhere, not even

within his own organizations. right? he loves the disruption. so i just this this this conversation is about, again, more grand designs for donald trump people. where's the country in any of this? not you or me. >> the crisis. the what? i mean, i'm i'm struck by the fact that they're so focused on the nobel peace prize and not bringing the price of bringing costs down for americans. but who am i? >> yeah. right. right. again, this was all about the price of eggs. up next, new mexico attorney general raul torres joins to discuss the hearings. he and other democratic are holding, holding to highlight the pain that all of these doge efforts are in firings are causing across the country to everyday americans. this is the weekend. >> hi. >> it's dorinda medley and. >> i am. >> finally at. >> solo balance. >> i work. >> out, i eat right, but there are just some areas i just need

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the attorney general of new mexico, raul. raul torres, welcome, sir. >> general torres, thank you so much for being with us. you know, it seems to me that the attorney generals have a plan. did these plans come together in the aftermath and the immediate aftermath of the election, or are you all just simply responding in real time to what you are seeing and mobilizing your network? >> well, i think what you've. >> seen is. >> building on the foundation. >> that was laid. >> by. >> our. >> predecessors during. >> the first trump administration. >> there was certainly. >> a lot. >> of. >> planning that went. >> into our. >> litigation response. we looked carefully at project 2025 and basically took it at face. >> value, and then. >> organized ourselves. >> to, to. >> to be. >> able to respond. as if those things were. >> were going. >> to be the, the. blueprint for the second trump administration. and unfortunately, that's what we've seen. >> one of the. >> interesting roles that. >> attorney generals are playing is you are making. >> an administrative.

>> argument, whether. >> that administrative argument. >> is on birthright citizenship. >> or. >> whether it is on something like what happened just this weekend, where you had trump. >> signing an executive. >> order that makes english the. official us language. that is already. >> the official. >> u.s. language in 30 states. >> this codifies. >> it nationwide. >> this becomes. >> complicated for folks like you, right? in terms of how. >> you administer. >> services to folks inside your states under an executive order, that now makes. >> it a whole lot. >> harder to do that in a diversity of languages. what is that going. >> to look like. >> for the ags, and how do the ags push back? >> well. >> it's going to be challenging for us in particular. because we actually. >> built into the new mexico. >> constitution guarantee. access to. folks who speak. >> spanish as their. >> first language. it was. >> it. was part. >> of you know, what what happened when we. >> became a state. but but more generally, what we are. >> seeing is this. >> this attempt to control the federal.

>> government rather than. >> through congressional action. >> by executive fiat. >> it's something. >> that i think. >> is rather than an administrative. >> argument. >> we're making a. >> constitutional argument about. >> the power that. >> the president. >> is trying to wield. >> in eliminating federal agencies and eliminating critical funding. and fundamentally destabilizing the american system. >> general, you have, as i noted, you guys are coming together with citizens everyday folks who have been impacted by the efforts of doge. you have now developing an argument on the heels of the town hall meetings that have been taking place in congressional districts, largely republican congressional districts, in which republicans, to be clear, have been expressing the impact on them. but you have the speaker of the house claiming otherwise and sort of laying out a narrative about what these town hall meetings are like and

who are actually there. let's take a listen. >> no. >> because the. no, i. >> don't because. >> the. >> videos you saw of the town halls were for. >> paid protesters. >> in many of those places. these are. democrats who went. >> to the events early and. >> filled up the seats. >> if you if the videos. >> had panned. >> out. >> they were all paid. >> protesters, though. >> mr. speaker, many republican acknowledged they were his constituents. >> one republican. acknowledged they were constituents. >> that's fantastic. okay. but they had democrats come and fill the. >> seats early. >> i mean, you can't you can't make this this stuff up. you just can't anymore. how do you, as you're really trying to have this serious conversation and get the full throated expression of what's happening to real people out there in the marketplace? the rest of the country will know that what the speaker just said is a lie, that these are not paid actors coming in hired hands because there's no evidence. my thing is, mr.

speaker, okay, how come they told you but nobody else that they were, that they were paid by democrats? so how do you begin to combat this, this these narratives that are forming around the work you're trying to get out there to help people. and so that it's not, you know, more difficult than it already is having to face that lie. >> yeah. >> i mean. >> i don't concern myself. >> with with the kind of silliness that, that the speaker. >> was just engaging in. and he needs to be reminded, as does. >> everyone, that. >> that. members of congress, the president, they're. elected to represent all americans. they're they're elected to represent. >> the needs and interests. >> of all americans. and one of the. >> things that i think has come. >> through in. >> all of this is. >> the way. >> in which we've dehumanized. >> the people. >> who are public servants. >> these are these are. >> scientists. >> these are teachers. these are engineers. there was a recent. >> report today. >> in the. >> washington post that they that they. >> slashed critical positions. >> for nuclear safety at.

>> some of our. most sort. >> of high. >> high security. >> national security installations, including right here in new mexico. >> i don't think most americans. >> had any sense. >> that this this move fast and break things. >> approach. >> which may. work for twitter. >> it doesn't. >> really matter. >> to me. >> if. >> elon musk buys up. >> a company and plays eeny meeny miney mo and decides. >> to just randomly fire. >> people there and see if it works. >> i don't. >> care if. >> he. >> does that with his own company. >> but he's trying to do. this with. >> our government. >> and he's doing it in. >> a way. >> that endangers. >> people's lives. >> that and. >> that, frankly. undermines the service. >> that. >> they've engaged in for years. >> this is somebody. >> who has. >> never engaged. >> in public service. >> and. >> has spent most of his life accumulating money, accumulating power. and then he. >> gets in. >> and he and he tries. >> to use. >> his access and influence to. to fire park. rangers and engineers and nuclear. >> safety specialists. >> i mean. >> this is. >> not just unconstitutional. >> it's downright stupid.

>> i mean, dramatic pause because. >> yeah, does that exclamation point. >> bold and underline? one quick question i have. mr. attorney general, is when you all are holding these in person, if you will, hearings from, you know, field field excursions, if you will, will they be televised? so that people will be able to see will the press be allowed access to hear directly what folks are telling you all? >> yes. i mean, all of these are going to. >> be. >> open. >> to. >> the public. >> you know. >> this. >> i think is an important point. >> this is we're. >> welcome to hear. >> any perspective in in this conversation. i think. >> it's important. >> one of the things that. >> i always tell people is i was a. >> federal prosecutor. >> i worked at main justice. i recognized. >> that there are. >> inefficiencies in. >> in, in the administration. >> of, of. >> federal government programs. >> and the. irony is. a lot of the. >> people. >> that they're firing. >> they're the. >> ones who have. >> a deep understanding of how systems could work more

effectively. >> they are. >> trying to do something in. >> their. >> respective programs to serve the american public. >> and if. >> we were. being smart about this, we would slow down. >> we would ask. >> them how to make government more efficient, more. >> impactful. >> more responsive. bill clinton engaged in a very deliberate process. he eliminated not only jobs that weren't necessary and. >> programs that weren't weren't necessary, but also billions of dollars. the difference is. >> he did so in a lawful, >> deliberate. intelligent way. >> this is anything. >> but that. >> so there's. there's an opportunity for folks who are interested in. government efficiency to, to engage. >> in a process. >> that. that brings. >> people together. >> that. >> leverages their knowledge. >> but this is like trying to. >> deciding that you need to redesign. >> your kitchen, and let's just. >> set the house on. >> fire and. >> see what burns. >> and then. >> if we need to replace the stove, we'll do that. that's a dumb way to go about. >> much necessary reform in this country. and i don't think most americans, including a lot of republicans, are really responding to the chaos that we've seen from these cuts.

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>> important to pay attention to it, but it is just as important to recognize how many of. >> those things. are getting announced. >> but they're not. happening at all, or at least not yet. just try to. >> remember we are not looking. >> at the final score. we are. still in the first quarter. keep your pads on. >> the game has just begun. >> well, friends, we've come to the end. >> of what? the end of what? simone? >> well, well, maybe. maybe the hopes for the resistance. >> prophetic. it was awfully prophetic. yeah. i mean, look, the i think this is less the coming to an end, but coming to a turning point. and i think it's i think it's time for americans to turn the tables on what's happening. and again, i don't know about y'all, but miss mundo, really, that that conversation stuck with me in a very real way, because here you have a real representation of

what's happening to people. this this mother is, you know, having this, this opportunity. she's in a new position. she's in a place she wants to be. she's doing a job that she wants to do. and elon musk is telling her, you're not worthy, you're not worth it. you're fired. and i think i think that resonates more with people than i than i hope, you know. >> it resonates with people. but i think it also has to be paired with the reality that you now have a president who has made everything about what do i get? has respect been shown to me? and so i do think also, as we talk about all these cuts, we need to be clear with folks about the fact those are services you paid for. >> those are things that are actually here, whether. >> it's usaid. >> whether it. >> is administrative elements of the government. we all benefit from that work. right? it's not i agree, i was very struck by that conversation as well. i care. >> about all of.

>> the employees that have. >> been let go. >> and what that means for them. >> for. >> their. >> livelihoods. >> for the lives, for. their communities. i also, though, care about the implication of having a government that has been set up to fail. that's not good for any of us. >> no, and but that is the point. remember, russell, vote folks out there. you got to listen to what alicia is saying. the director of omb, the administrator was the administrator last trump administration, who was one of the coauthors of project 2025, said that the goal is to inflict trauma on the federal workforce. they would like to dismantle what they call the administrative state, that is the federal government. the government should work for the people, but what they want to do is destroy it, pull it apart piece by piece, to the to a point that a conversation we had, i think, last weekend with the inability to be able to put this back together again. right, right. and so that is what is happening. so now is the time to michael's point to stand up. this is an inflection point. this is a turning point. it's why i think people are having this robust discussion about whether democrats should go to

the joint address of congress or not, because it feels like business as usual from washington, dc in many respects. you know. that's the key. it was the speaker of the house. >> it does. yeah. >> the speaker is on meet the press right now talking about oh, well, now i want a clean cr. democrats need to negotiate with us. i thought americans did not negotiate with terrorists. and this is a hostage situation. it's a hostile proverbial situation. and i think that the democratic elected officials have to act like this is the last stand, because it is. >> and to that point, i think everyone should understand that doge is designed for the government to be shut down. so all of this pretense that, oh, we got to prevent the government from shutting down is baloney, because the endgame for doge is to shut down the government. so which is it? which do you want? and that's that's part of the inflection point. >> well, coming up next on and before fox news gets a hold of

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