people who don't need it. >> to validate the richest man in the world. >> it's unbelievable. so yeah, that that. >> drives me nuts. you know, because you you see, i mean, it's you live with people who. >> are are struggling. >> and i think. >> in a lot of ways he. he. >> has forgotten where he came from. and the people. >> that that are still. >> out there struggling. >> he knows how. >> to use it as. >> a tagline. >> or a. >> punchline or. >> you know, a talking point. but i don't think. >> he remembers. >> exactly the, you. >> know. >> kind. >> of pain. >> that. people are. >> still going through. >> those new episodes with tim ryan and stacey abrams will be available tomorrow, wherever you get your podcasts. that does it for me today, but stay right where you are because there's much more news coming up on msnbc. >> this hour. doge subcommittee member, congresswoman jasmine crockett on why elon musk should testify at a hearing. plus, her

thoughts on that ugly oval office episode. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with breaking news about the emergency ukraine summit in london. european leaders meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky to discuss a path to peace with russia. britain's prime minister, speaking just a short time ago. >> and today. >> i'm announcing. >> a new. >> deal which allows ukraine to use 1.6 billion pounds of uk export. >> finance to buy more than. >> 5000 air defense missiles. >> the prime minister also mentioned that bruising friday oval office meeting. we're going to hear him on that in just a moment. but here's what we heard from american politicians today.

>> i want to. >> address directly that this was some type of ambush. >> is. >> absolutely false. >> after what happened. on friday. it's clear. that we need to bring the united states and ukraine back together again. >> we need to figure out is there a way to get them to stop the war. and the only way you're going to do that is to get russians engaged in negotiations. >> the white. >> house has become. an arm. >> of the kremlin. >> every single. day you hear from the national security adviser, from the president, united states. from his entire national security team, kremlin. >> talking points. >> no, we're not turning our. >> back on ukraine, nor should we. >> putin is a murderous kgb. thug that. >> murders his. >> political enemies and. >> is a dictator there. >> do you think that president zelensky needs to resign. >> in. >> order for. >> there. >> to be a peace deal? >> i think that is a. >> horrific suggestion. >> and looking ahead. tariffs against mexico and canada set to start tuesday. commerce

secretary howard lutnick saying president trump has yet to decide if they will be the full 25% tariffs on goods from china, though, will be doubled. >> you lay people off. you lose jobs. you lose prosperity. i don't see it as a logical step, but it's it seems to be what the president wants to do. exactly what form it's going to take. we still don't know. >> meantime, thousands turned out in national parks from california to maine saturday to protest the firing of national park service employees. crowds also showing up outside of tesla stores across this country upset about the automaker's ceo, elon musk, and his efforts to slash government spending. and then in vermont, this happened. >> three. >> there see folks gathering where vice president vance was skiing with his family. many holding up ukrainian flags and

pro ukraine signs. and then this development overseas. israel cutting off all humanitarian aid to gaza. it warned of additional consequences if hamas does not accept a new plan to extend the cease fire. secretary of state marco rubio signing a declaration to give 4 billion in military aid to israel. with so much going on, we've got a number of reporters and analysts in place ready to go over all these new developments for us. we're going to begin with nbc's megan fitzgerald in london, where that emergency summit between european leaders just wrapped up. megan, welcome to you. so the u.k. prime minister called this meeting to help find, quote, lasting peace in ukraine. did they make any tangible progress? yes. >> you know. >> alex. >> it certainly appears as though. >> they did. >> and, you know. >> just to step. >> aside here for a second to talk about the optics of this. i mean, the world watched as 18 leaders standing next to keir starmer here in london, showing that they are unified, they are in lockstep in trying to create

lasting peace for ukraine. and that's exactly what they discussed today. and so what we heard just moments ago from prime minister starmer is that they are creating something called the coalition of the willing. so he broke this down and said that this is for any country, any european country in canada, who is willing and able to increase defense and are interested in playing an active role in making sure that there is security for ukraine, that there is a ceasefire that works for ukraine and in the end, lasting peace for ukraine. they will come to the table. he understands that there are some countries who want to support and will continue to try and support in other ways, but those who can give more understand that this is the time to step up and do that. he discussed that military funding will continue to flow as they, of course, work to increase funding for ukraine. he talked about lasting peace means that ukraine must be at the table. he said that they discussed that they will be

meeting again soon to make sure that they continue on this plan. but i think what was also really important to take away from this is that he said that he spoke with president trump yesterday about what they were going to be discussing. he didn't get into the details, but it gave him the impression that this is something that the united states could rally behind. they're going to work to get all their ducks in a row, have a plan together before they present this to donald trump and the united states. i want you to listen to actually, just a little bit of what we heard just moments ago. >> together with others. europe must do the heavy lifting, but to support peace in our continent and to succeed, this effort must have strong us backing in. nobody wanted to see what happened last friday, but i do not accept that the us is an unreliable ally. the us has been a reliable ally to the uk for many, many decades and continues

to be. >> now, prime minister starmer certainly leading by example. late last night he announced a loan of nearly $3 billion to ukraine for military assistance. and then just earlier today, he pledged another $1.6 billion pounds that will help ukraine buy some 5000 air defense missiles. this is the moment they believe that the time now is to act and take a leadership role, to try and make sure that there's lasting peace in ukraine. >> yeah, alex probably is very much the time. megan fitzgerald there in london. we're going to go across the pond from there, everyone to nbc's yamiche alcindor standing by at the white house for us. so, yamiche, welcome to you. what are we hearing from the administration today about where trump and zelensky stand after friday's tense oval office exchange? >> well. >> after that extraordinary confrontation in the oval office today, what we're hearing from white house officials and trump cabinet members, president trump cabinet members, is that they

are opening the door for future negotiations at some point. but there's a big question of when that could happen and what it would take to really get there. take a listen to what the director of national intelligence, tulsi gabbard, had to say. >> i can tell you there were a lot of conversations that were happening through different emissaries, both for zelensky and for president trump leading up to his visit there, to the oval office and president zelensky's immediate escalation there was was, frankly, quite a surprise. this has created a huge rift in the relationship. there's going to have to be a rebuilding of any kind of interest in good faith negotiations. i think before president trump is going to be willing to reengage on this. >> so there you have tulsi gabbard, the director of national intelligence, really laying the blame for this confrontation at the feet of president zelensky, saying that he escalated this in a way that ukrainian officials had not.

it's really interesting because, of course, president trump is also blaming zelensky, saying that he was disrespectful and that he essentially was was being negative talking about putin and that he should have been open to the idea of having a ceasefire deal with president putin and president trump. that said, president trump has said that he wants zelensky to tell him that he's ready for peace before he can be welcomed back to the white house. we're not sure when that's going to happen. we're also not sure if zelensky is going to really give the concessions that the white house needs and wants in order to get back into the good graces, it seems, of president trump, but a very interesting situation to continue to watch. and definitely going to continue to watch what the ukrainian officials are saying now. alex. >> you kind of think the president might want to say, we want you to be able to say you want guaranteed peace. i think that's the one word that's been left out of here. okay, yamiche, thank you for that. joining me right now, we have former ohio governor and msnbc political analyst john kasich and former assistant to the secretary of defense for public affairs,

chris maher. gentlemen, good to have you both here. so, governor, after that disastrous white house meeting, you posted a comment on social media that has gotten more than 1 million views. and you wrote today's oval office meeting with vladimir zelensky was shameful. president zelensky represents a nation whose citizens have sacrificed their lives and shed blood for the freedoms they cherish. he deserves respect, not humiliation. and there are many who believe, sir, that embarrassing zelensky on the global stage was the white house's intention. they deny it. but how do you interpret what trump intended and accomplished in that meeting? >> well. >> i mean. >> just watching that meeting. >> i was. >> first of all shocked. >> and second, secondly. >> i was sick to. >> my stomach about what i. >> saw there. you know. >> alex. >> the. >> problem is that. >> america, for since world war two, has provided some security guarantees to the free world. the people who believe in

freedom of speech and free elections and human rights. and all these things, you know, free enterprise. we've provided the security guarantees. so people. >> felt. >> comfortable that we were we were going to look out for them, that they have to do their part, but they were going to look out for them. my greatest concern right now is have we created a trust problem? in other. >> words. >> the countries around the world say we don't know what we're going to get. >> from the united states. >> and my concern about that, alex, is the fact. that with that sort of question, then sometimes countries are going to decide to go it alone. and some of these nations, if you take the baltics, for example, they don't have the means to raise large armies. they're going to be looking for what they can do to make sure that they're protected. what i hope is going to happen. is this moment is going to going to force us as

americans to take another look. because once you you open the, the, the genie from the bottle, where does this go? and america's role has been crucial in the world in keeping the peace since world war two. and of course, we were there to dramatically help win that war wasn't for us. i don't think we it would have been won. so the fact is, countries have come to depend on us, and it's because we share the same ethic. we have the western ethic that believes in freedom. and i get very concerned that this trust and it's hard to rebuild trust. that's my concern. i don't think it's over yet, but we've got to be very careful that we don't head down this road and let everybody sort of fend for themselves. and you add to that, alex, these trade wars that are being talked about now that creates more problems, more inflation, more conflict. we've got to be very careful here. >> yeah, sobering commentary

there. but yeah. all right chris, you you traveled to ukraine with secretary austin several times during the war. what is your reaction to what you saw in that meeting friday? >> yeah, i mean, i think governor kasich hit the nail on the head. i mean, what we witnessed on friday was embarrassing for the united states. it was disgusting. you're talking about president zelensky, who for the last three years has been fighting for the future of his country, fighting for the values that united states of america believes in democracy. you know, it used to be that the united states would stand up for those values, would stand up and help defend our allies and partners, and stand up against bullies and dictators like vladimir putin. instead, the opposite now seems to be true, unfortunately. >> so one of the things, governor, that zelensky tried to get through to trump is that this isn't just about ukraine, but it's about standing up to an

autocrat fighting for the same freedoms that generations of americans have fought and died for. and yet today, the kremlin praised the us for what it has characterized as changing its foreign policy to align with moscow. what is your response to that? >> it's just not conceivable to me. i, i served on the armed services committee. most people kind of remember me from the budget committee, but i was on the armed services committee in washington for 18 years. and there was one thing that was consistent. whether you're a republican, democrat, whether you argued about kind of the military activities that needed to take place, the weapons we needed to buy. but there was always one fundamental agreement that the russians were our enemy. and they asked ronald reagan when he was running for president, how do you feel about the soviet union? he said, we win. they lose. i mean, the idea that we are changing this is very concerning to me. europe,

interestingly enough, they now view this as an existential threat. now, should they have bellied up to the bar years earlier and carried more of the burden? absolutely. but now i think what they're saying, and i hope they'll follow through on this, is that now is the time for them to jointly come together, because remember, they live close to the bear. we live on the other side of the ocean. that's one of the things that zelensky was trying to say. but you know what? the ocean didn't save us from 911. the ocean isn't going to save us from certain threats if we're not on top of things, cyber threats. but at the same time, i think it's significant that the that the, the europeans are saying we're not we're not going along with this. and what zelensky wanted from from president trump was a security guarantee. we all want to see peace. but you can't have peace at any price. you've got to have security guarantees. so the russians, when they're refreshed, don't want to move again. that's what the europeans

are worried about. it's what we should be extremely worried about. and i've not lost hope yet. maybe there is an opportunity for us to step back from the ledge and realize our commitment to the world really matters, and has kept the peace since world war two. >> well, i do appreciate that sentiment a lot, but picking up on that, chris, because at today's meeting, britain and france said they are going to work with ukraine to develop a peace plan and then present it to the us and uk. prime minister starmer saying any peace agreement is going to need a us backstop. what could the terms of this deal look like? and do you think starmer and macron can convince president trump to come on board with it? >> well, i think that's precisely the problem that we're dealing with now. you know, the governor mentioned the tariff situation. how can how can leaders and other countries trust what donald trump tells them when he continues to go back on agreements that he's already made? the united states is now stepping out of this

process. just last administration, we were leading this process to get ukraine, the peaceful security guarantees that it's looking for. we're now abdicating that responsibility. and so we're leaving it into other people's hands. thankfully, the european countries like the uk, like france and others see the real threat that russia is not just to europe, but to the international, international rules based order. and that's critical to be eyes wide open about who we're dealing with. vladimir putin has shown us time and time and time again who he really is. he's a ruthless, bloodthirsty dictator who's not going to stop at ukraine, and he's going to keep going until he gets what he wants. he's not going to abide by these agreements. and so we need to be careful when we're entering into agreements with him. what we're really getting ourselves into.

>> governor, on meet the press earlier today, speaker mike johnson said that zelensky acted inappropriately at the meeting and showed insufficient gratitude. take a listen to what he said. >> i hope. >> and pray. >> frankly that president. >> zelensky will come. >> to his senses, come. back to president. >> trump. >> express gratitude as. >> he should. >> you know, apologize for his. behavior there and accept this mineral. >> rights deal. >> because that is the best way for us to get to a point of peace. >> over there in that region. >> either he needs to. >> come to his senses and come. >> back to. >> the table. >> in gratitude, or. someone n lead the country. >> to do that. >> and look, johnson's comments, they echo the republicans who've backed trump, scolded zelensky after the meeting. what do you make of this reaction from fellow republicans? what do you want to say to them? >> where are the republican senators? there has been a history in the united states senate. people like bob dole,

senator lugar. there was there has been a history of people there who've been able to operate independently, basically from the executive, you know, in our country today, the congress has gone totally silent. and so the executive has all the authority. these senators are on record having said a number of things about ukraine, a number of things about putin. i don't know where they are. i saw where senator murkowski did say some things, but where are the leaders there to be able to meet with trump, even privately and quietly and take us back? think about this. and i alex, you know, you think about those children, those ukrainian children in those air raid shelters experiencing bombings, frightened to they're frightened out of their out of their minds. are they ever going to have a life. how are they going to

recover from this? we talk about ptsd. think about the children there. think about the women and the men who have given up their lives for freedom. that's all they're doing. they're fighting against an authoritarian dictator. and we're going to be saying that the zelensky overreacted. he's the leader of a country that's paying in, in blood and death for their people to maintain their freedom. knock it off, politicians. come on. this is clear as anything we can see. and i'm. come on, senators, speak up. do your job. >> speaking of politicians, can you give me just very quickly, in 15 seconds, your sentiments around your fellow ohioan, our vice president, jd vance? >> well, i think what happened in the oval office is something that we're going to think about forever. and it's unfortunate. and i as you know, i don't like to get into personal attacks and i won't i have never done it and

i'm not going to do it. i mean, i have an opinion, but people can form their own here. i'm not trying to dodge anything, but i don't want to operate in a time where i just don't want to attack people personally. i question their judgment. i question where they are. that's okay. but i don't want to get into any sort of name calling. it's not. it's not who i am, by the way. >> okay. well, i appreciate your authenticity. it's why we bring you back on the show. former governor john kasich, thank you so much, chris. good to see you as well. an apology to the world. my next guest, congresswoman jasmine crockett, congresswoman jasmine crockett, explains, we're back in 90s. introducing new eroxon gel, the first fda-cleared ed treatment available without a prescription. eroxon gel is clinically proven to work within ten minutes, so you and your partner can experience the heights of intimacy. new eroxon ed treatment gel. the wildlife series that started them all is back. join us every saturday morning on nbc for mutual of omaha's wild kingdom: protecting the wild.

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jasmine crockett is a democratic congressman from texas and sits on the house oversight and judiciary committees. and i'm awfully glad to have you here, because i read what you said, apologizing to the world. and i want to go deeper into it because you said, i'm sorry that the bright light america used to be is dimming. why did that whole interaction seem to be so distant for you, for what the us stands for. >> besides the fact that we're talking. about an ally, we're talking. >> about ukraine, a country that was invaded. >> first, it started off with trying. >> to. >> change the facts. >> we don't live in. >> a world of. >> alternative facts, trying to change the reality of who invaded who. >> after we kept saying that trump was nothing but putin's puppet. >> we kept saying that. he was. >> palling around. >> with putin. >> we've said it all kinds of ways, but this comes at the heels. >> of the un. >> voting with russia. this also, then, is. >> an opportunity. >> for trump to show that no. >> america knows. >> who our friends. >> are and we're going to stand

with those friends. and unfortunately, he decided that he wanted to talk about his clothes. now, maybe this is because trump never wanted to go serve his country. and right now, the only service that he's giving to us is driving our country apart. but i'm sorry, when you're at war, you're not worried about your outfit. that is what we call a privilege, number one. number two, to say, oh, what can you afford? well, if he was walking around in the fanciest suits, i'm sure that they would accuse him of taking our dollars and spending it on his wardrobe and being more concerned about that. listen, this is a no win situation when you're walking in with someone who has decided that he is going to align himself with a dictator thug. >> okay, so to that end, we know before the exchange what was supposed to happen was there was going to be the signing of this preliminary mineral deal at least, right? aiming to end the war, but without trump committing to any security guarantees. i mean, you say that he should not have a price tag, but there are some republicans,

as you know, and the president claiming that, oh, you know, what america is being taken advantage of here. is there a middle ground we can get to? >> there's not a middle ground with this president. he has no intentions of doing right by number one, the united states. i appreciate what the former governor was saying. we are in a national security crisis. we have been in a national security crisis every since, honestly, before he even ran. we know that he had our national secrets stored at mar a lago. people felt like that wasn't really a big deal. they wanted to compare it to what was going on with joe biden. we know that he was showing this to people that maybe weren't supposed to see our national security secrets. we know that he is consistently engaged in questionable deals as it relates to our emoluments clause when he was in the first go round. next thing you know, his son in law was getting a lot of money from the saudis as soon as they walked out. and so right now and not to mention he has decided that his doj will not prosecute cases that engage in

any type of foreign nefariousness when it comes to getting money. so, unfortunately, we have someone that is occupying the white house, and as far as i'm concerned, he is an enemy to the united states. he swore an oath just like the rest of us. but right now, when you are literally putting us at risk. all because of what? because you want to convince your followers that you should be a dictator too. that you should never leave the white house because you don't believe that elections should take place. i don't really understand what is going on, and i don't know what it's going to take to get people to wake up. we are not living in a safe country. when we decide that we are going to weaken our national security by getting rid of those that are watching our nuclear stockpile, by giving everything over to a private friend known as elon musk. we are getting rid of all of the inspector generals. and so there's literally a lack of checks and balances all around

us. and then we have somebody who's sending his vice president out to offend our allies in europe. listen, the way that i used to explain this on the trail when i was campaigning for madam vice president is i would say, listen, it's kind of like the schoolyard when you go to school and you go to school, and everybody knows that your siblings are at the same school, or they know that your cousins are at the same school, then they may not pick a fight with you because they know that if they pick a fight with you, they got to pick a fight with your whole family. but when you're like me and only child, they may decide to pick a fight with you because they're like, there's nobody that is going to back her up. when we get to the playground right now, he's trying to put us into a situation to where we will be the only ones on the playground. when you're going out talking about you're going to go into canada. when you're going out and you're talking about mexico. listen, zelensky is right. he doesn't have the privilege that we have. we've got water on each side. and we used to have friends on the north and south. he doesn't have that privilege.

and so i really want america to wake up because this should not be partizan. be the selfish people that we love to be in america. >> yeah. >> worry about your safety. >> you mentioned elon musk. which brings me to those federal employees that are receiving that. these are emails again this weekend demanding asking whatever that they sum up what they did last week. and you're a member of the house subcommittee. are you looking into the legality of this? i mean, should federal employees even respond? have some been fired as they've been threatened to be fired if they don't respond? do you know. >> we get no answers. >> no answers? >> d.o.j. is just something for marjorie taylor greene to sit atop and make it seem like she's important. we ain't doing nothing. i mean, it's much like much of what we see in congress, right? because we've yet to have anyone that works for doge. i don't even have a list of who works for doge. we have nothing from them whatsoever. we have no findings from them where they're issuing reports to us and they're saying, hey, these are the things that we really need

to root out as you are going through the budget process. we have none of that. we have no information about who is exactly is sending these emails, because we know that they told the courts, oh, elon isn't running doge. then they told us that a woman that was on vacation in mexico was running doge. like you talk about transparency, there is literally a lack of transparency. and when we decided that we wanted to subpoena him to come in, him being elon, you know, who didn't even want to debate it? the republicans, not only did they shut it down, but they wouldn't allow us to engage in debate because they really don't have an explanation for why we were having an entire subcommittee that is supposed to sit atop this organization or whatever it is, because it's not really an organization, and they don't want to bring in the guy that is the face of it. >> can i ask you, is it also a little bit because they're afraid to go up against elon musk and donald trump? >> well, i don't know if they're afraid. i just think they're wusses. i mean, you know, i don't really know what it is. but right now, one of the things

that the former governor just said, he talked about people basically giving up their rights and giving up their duties. i've said that they've castrated their constitutional duties. you've got republicans that will only move, or as we used to say, jump. whenever donald trump says jump or elon says jump and is usually how high? right. like that's what they're doing. they are not listening to their constituents. and i want to say thank you so much to each and every one of you that has shown up to those town halls across this country, because that's what it looks like to be engaged in a real democracy. it looks like showing up and making sure those that have been elected because of your votes start to listen to you. >> i'll let that be the last word. i love it that you're thanking the american people for doing what they are privileged have the privilege to do. jasmine crockett, privilege to have you here in studio to make this a thing. i mean, any time. okay. just come on up from dc or

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substantially more federal support from a law enforcement perspective. and this is because of what happened on new year's day when a terrorist barreled down bourbon street and killed more than a dozen people. and the aftermath of that, there has been a lot of soul searching when it comes to security here. and one of the things officials have pushed for is more federal support, and they have that now. so that means teams, including customs and border protection officers are along parade routes. we're told there are also teams on boats and in the sky, similar to what we saw at the super bowl, we had the chance to catch up with the customs and border protection team that is on the ground here. here's part of what they shared with us yesterday. >> we have air and. >> marine is our unit cbp, air and marine, and they're. here as well. so we do have some some feed from the sky. >> and boats on. >> the water as well, basically looking for things that don't seem normal or don't look natural. we're also here to assist new orleans pd. if there's an event where, hey, they need medic on scene or something like that, or we see something happening right in front of us, we can take action.

>> so federal law enforcement out here, augmenting the local and state presence on the ground in new orleans. and alex, here's the curveball, if you will, comparing this to the super bowl. both of them massive security events from the law enforcement perspective. but when you think about the super bowl, you had the stadium, you had the super bowl, superdome, excuse me. and then you had bourbon street, which is a quarter that always has a lot of people out for nightlife. right. there were really those two main areas. but when you look at mardi gras and these parades, they are miles long routes and there are thousands of people lining those routes. and so this is a different kind of security situation compared to those two hardened targets from the super bowl. and the federal officer i spoke with yesterday said that he sees mardi gras as more of a challenge compared to the super bowl, because you have those longer stretches of territory you have to cover. alex. >> okay. making it lots of vigilance for those guys. thank you so much. jesse kirsch, next, historian and author jon meacham on the impact of that oval office meeting.

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oval office showdown as president trump prepares to address a joint session of congress tuesday, the first major speech of his second term. and joining me now, we're delighted to have jon meacham, msnbc political analyst, historian, former adviser to president biden, on the presidential speeches and addresses and, of course, the author of the soul of america the battle for our better angels. jon, welcome. do you

expect the president to address that oval office episode in his speech tuesday night? should he? and then please give us your perspective on what you saw friday. >> well, starting from the back, moving forward, people are going to study that tape, that video forever. it's a remarkable moment in the annals of diplomacy and power. we very rarely, if ever, had a view of something like that. and if you are a reflexively pro-president trump person, you think this is the greatest thing ever. if you are a reflexively anti-president trump person, you think it was one of the darkest hours in american diplomacy. one of the things i think we have to do, and i think that history tells us is useful, is we all need to become umpires and call them as we see them. and every situation

is can be part of a pattern, but it also has its own particular characteristics. i think what we saw there is a very clear instance of an unusually persistent pattern for president trump, which is a way a tendency to see things as they are seen from moscow. and it's a wonder to me, one of the great mysteries of the era is how a republican nominee, a republican president, has so thoroughly reversed the legacy and the political vernacular of ronald reagan. but that is a central point here. i think i'm right that president trump has a portrait of president reagan that he could probably see there if he had looked up to his right a little bit. but reagan would not have recognized what happened there. and i think that's something that a lot of

republicans who have, for various reasons, decided to go along with the trump era should think about in their own role as as an umpire for tuesday night. you know, i think president trump has a very hard time not congratulating himself. we all have this as a human impulse, but he has it in a particular way. he'll have a hard time, i think, not alluding to the fact that, in his view, he stood up for america. he stood up for what he thinks of as a reasonable peace. and so we will see, i think him maybe even adjudicating and commenting on what unfolded there. you know, the text of president trump is always the least interesting thing. it's what he says when he's not riffing isn't quite the right word. >> but maybe going off the prompter.

>> tells us what. exactly, exactly. what i love about president trump is sometimes he talks to the prompter. he'll say, yes, that's so true. which suggests that maybe there wasn't a whole lot of prep. but anyway. >> so picking up on this point about the president, his supporters are going to approach that whole incident friday in the oval office with a sense of pride. what is your sense of the public sentiment and the fallout? is it just yet another moment dividing the country in separate camps? >> i think so. alex, i wish it were different. i wish that we were more able to live up to the spirit of the american revolution, which was about enabling us to use reason in a world that's mostly governed by passion. but i think that we are

in an era where it's very hard for people to change their minds. and i think it's one of the fascinating elements of where we are. too many people. decide what to think based on who's doing the acting and who's doing the speaking, as opposed to the substance of the action or the words. and so i don't think this will change a great number of minds. the critical issue is in the fullness of time. do we believe as a country that the lesson of history is that you confront aggressors as wisely and as strongly as you can in order to deter future aggression? if you were a potential if you're a power around the world and you're thinking about doing something

to aggrandize yourself your territory, to seize interests, to seize resources that will give you more power, what lesson would you take from last friday, but that you probably have a pretty good shot of succeeding, and that the united states of america is not going to be as resolute in its adherence to trying to stand up for a rule of law, a principle that aggression for centuries has led to terrible, terrible consequences. >> i'm curious what you make of trump's first month, the dismantling of parts of the government, the way he's going about it and does it mirror anything in history? >> no. david remnick has a has a piece in the new yorker sort of comparing and contrasting fdr and his first 100 days and

president trump and his. and it's two different, two different planets. this does go to the umpire point, though. i don't think maybe i'm wrong here, but can you tell me i didn't get the impression coming through the campaign that the focus on waste, fraud, abuse, the focus on trying to take government spending down was going to be a central, this feels to be to not have been as predictive. the issue is that for a lot of people, they will think, well, he's trying to cut spending. there's probably a lot of waste, there's probably too much spending. and so let's let the disruption happen. and there may be an instance or two. there's always a grain of truth. not always, but mostly there's always a grain of truth. and what he's done here, i think, is distracted us. we are rightly

focused on the merits of these cuts. but, you know, something like the situation with ukraine. the, the entire executive amassing of power, which is in fact. i'm not going to say it's unconstitutional, but it is anti-constitutional as it currently exists. someone pointed out that if you if you don't spend money that the legislature has appropriated and that the president, by the way, has approved, that's the way the constitution works. you know, the way for an executive to stop spending is to do it during the legislative process. and someone pointed out that if you don't spend money that the legislatur, in a legal, constitutional process appropriated, then you don't really need a legislature. and i think that, to me, what i

would suggest to folks is watch the accretion, the amassing of power. that's largely what this has been about. it's about trying to create a world in which everyone else is a little off beat, is a little off the conversation by challenging the fact that he has this much power. i think that's what the cuts are about. i think that's what these actions are about, is to give himself the impression that give the country the impression that he is, in fact, the only important force within the public square. >> i'm grateful for the conversation. i could listen to you for hours, and fortunately, we don't have more time. >> you don't have to. >> i have your books. i'm grateful for that. i'd be. i'd take a class of yours in a heartbeat. but anyway, there we have it. john meacham, thank you so much. another second act in american politics. it feels like the first act just ended. and the first act just ended. and why it's happening amid protests

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