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eastern. deadline. white house weekend is next. an oval office ambush of an american ally that will reverberate all around the world and stain america's image for years to come. what was meant to be a photo op with our ally, ukraine's president? part of a visit in which president zelensky was to sign a deal over his country's minerals and in return secures support security support for ukraine. it revealed instead that donald trump and a j.d. vance, clearly on an errand for vladimir. >> putin. >> trump and vance berating zelensky in public for the entire world to see. after zelensky pointed out the facts of how the. >> war in ukraine started. >> here's what happened. >> mr. president, mr. >> president, with respect, i think it's disrespectful for you to come into the oval office and

try to litigate this in front of the american media. right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. you should be thanking the president that you to bring an end to this. >> have you. >> ever been to ukraine. >> that you. >> say what. >> problems we have? >> i have been to. come once. i have actually. i've actually watched and seen the stories and i know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour. mr. president, do you disagree that you've had problems bringing people into your military? and do you think that it's respectful to come to the oval office of the united states of america and attack the administration that is trying to trying to prevent the destruction of your country? >> a lot of questions. let's start from the beginning. >> sure. >> first of all, during the. >> war. >> everybody has problems, even you. but you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you. >> will feel it. >> in the. god bless you. >> god bless you. god bless. you will not have a war. don't tell us what we're going to feel. we're trying to solve a problem.

don't tell us what we're going to feel. >> i'm not telling you. >> is in no position to dictate. >> that that's exactly what. >> you're doing. >> you're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. we're going to feel very good. we're going to feel very good and very strong. >> will feel influenced. >> you're right now not in a very good position. you've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position. and he happens to be right. >> from the very beginning of the war. >> you're not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now with us. you start. >> having cards. >> cards? right now you don't play. >> mr. president, i. >> you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war three. you're gambling with world war three. and what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country. this country that's back far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> have you said thank you once this entire time? no. in this entire meeting, you said thank you. today you went to pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in october. offer

some words of appreciation for the united states of america and the president who's trying to save your country. >> what if. >> russia breaks this fire? >> what if russia. >> breaks this talks? >> what do you. >> do then? >> understand that it's a heated conversation, right? >> what are you saying? >> what? >> she's asking. what if russia breaks the ceasefire? >> what if they. >> what if anything? what if a bomb drops on your head right now? okay, what if they break it? i don't know, they broke it with biden because biden didn't respect him. they didn't respect obama. they respect me. let me tell you, putin went through a hell of a lot with me. he went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and russia, russia, russia, russia. you ever hear of that deal? that was a phony. that was a phony. hunter biden, joe biden scam, hillary clinton, shifty. adam schiff it was a democrat scam. and he had to go through that.

>> the message sent to. >> our allies. >> and. >> our adversaries by donald trump and jd vance is now loud and clear, unmistakable. the pro-putin stance of america's president and vice president undeniable, unequivocal. completely out of step. not just with the american public. just 9% of all americans think vladimir putin is to be trusted, according to one recent poll. but also out of step, at least for today, with the republican party and his own cabinet. here's donald trump's current national security adviser and current secretary of state. >> zelenskyy and the ukrainians. >> are clearly showing the will to fight. i do believe he is turning out. >> to be a. modern day. >> winston churchill. >> no matter what, there always has to be a real, legitimate ukrainian state that we have a relationship with. and i don't know why we can't begin to openly say we will support them as long as they are willing to fight, even if it's an insurgency. >> that was then. >> today's today. >> here's what happened after

the oval. office ambush a press conference. >> between president zelensky. >> and donald. trump that was scheduled. >> for later this. >> afternoon was abruptly canceled. >> video here shows zelensky leaving the white house, trump officials telling. >> nbc news. >> that that. >> deal was. >> not signed. >> trump lashed out. >> at zelensky on social media, saying that he can, quote, come back when he's ready for peace, end quote. >> unsurprisingly. >> the public berating of the leader of a nation. >> that. >> the entire world understood to. >> be. an american ally is being. >> celebrated in moscow. tonight, new york times reporting this quote, russian state media are. savoring what they describe as a public dressing down for president volodymyr zelensky, a tv host. >> said on his evening show that. >> the oval office meeting, quote. looks more like. >> a public flagellation for. zelensky and. >> something that. >> quote, no one expected. >> from the united states president. >> that's where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. former cia director, now an msnbc senior national security

analyst, john brennan, is here. also joining us, new york times diplomatic correspondent michael crowley is here with me at the table. former national security council director for european affairs, retired u.s. army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman is here. he's also the author of the new book, the folly of realism how the west deceived itself about russia and betrayed ukraine. let me start with you, michael crowley, and the latest on how this day has been completely, completely thrown into chaos in terms of what was planned between two countries and their leaders. >> thanks, nicole. >> where to begin? i mean, this was a completely astonishing spectacle. and people who i've been in washington for a long time, but people who have been covering the white house and washington even longer say what i believe, which is that this is something we've never seen

before. you know, donald trump, you think this president has run out of ways to kind of stun and amaze us, and then he comes up with a new one to have this kind of a confrontation in the oval office. and what, remember, was not even supposed to be a press conference, but a brief pool spray. basically, a photo op is totally astounding. and, you know, it, it just leaves everything up in the air. the relationship right now is in a state of crisis between the u.s. and ukraine. and for a moment before all of this, it looked like, you know, it was going to be rocky. it was uneasy. but zelensky and trump might be able to reach some kind of a wary understanding. they were going to do this deal on minerals that trump could portray as a victory. you know, in my read, zelensky was going to come here, give him a deal on ukraine's rare earth minerals that he wasn't really excited about, but it was a way to try to buy goodwill with trump, get his buy

in to the process. you know, trump yesterday declined to repeat his epithet of dictator as it applies to zelensky when he was asked by a reporter. so it looked like maybe they were going to move forward constructively. and then things went completely off the rails. and i have to tell you, i don't know where we go from here. i think the first big question i'll say in conclusion is what does zelensky say when he does an interview that's going to be televised on a on another network later today? how does zelensky play? is he apologetic? does he try to walk it all back or does he stand firm? you know, he he was more defiant in that exchange than i might have expected. he never backed down and said, all right, let's de-escalate. so a lot of it here is, you know, how does he want to play it as well as the white house. >> director brennan, he'll be on fox news with with bret baier. and i'd say a lot of fox news anchors know the facts. bret baier probably knows them better than just about anyone. bret baier knows that russia is the aggressor. bret baier knows that

zelensky is america's ally. it'll be interesting to watch bret baier, as well as republicans like marco rubio, seem to capitulate from views he held 48 hours ago to siding with donald trump in this global, scandalous embarrassment for an american president. >> yeah, absolutely. >> nicole. >> this certainly was. >> a day of shame for the united states. that clip, the footage of the oval office meeting, is going to be shown for years to come by politicians, government officials, historians, university professors, because it very clearly captures the moment when the trump. administration sent the signal that it was ceding america's traditional global leadership role, that we were going to be abandoning our allies and partners, that we were not going to stand up to violent aggression that takes place in ukraine by the by russia. and so, donald trump has been used to individuals groveling at his feet, which only fuels his arrogance, his threats of intimidation and his bullying.

and president. >> zelensky. >> fortunately, i think, has too much integrity, especially after seeing hundreds of thousands of his fellow citizens slaughtered and killed and injured by the russians. see much of his country destroyed. he has too much integrity to be sitting there and listening to the misrepresentations of fact and history that were being shoveled by donald trump and j.d. vance. and so, again, i think what he is doing is president zelenskyy is standing up. i wish more people would stand up because, again, it's just fueling these this bullying attitude of donald trump. and so, you know, it's very unfortunate and very disappointing that this meeting didn't go better, because i think it really is critically important that ukraine and the united states under the trump administration, find some type of modus vivendi whereby we can continue to provide the support. but it's very clear that donald trump has decided that he is going to cede as much territory as possible, as much political initiative as possible to vladimir putin. and so, again,

the signal it sends to our allies and partners around the globe, as well as to our adversaries. it shows that the united states is no longer the united states of the past 80 years. >> we are lucky to be joined now by anne applebaum, columnist for the atlantic. and i feel like you have been reporting out how europe has been bracing for this moment for months, if not years. tell me your thoughts now that it has come to pass. >> so greetings from vilnius. this is a country where people are very conscious of what's happening. >> in. >> washington and what's happening in ukraine. >> i think. >> all of ukraine's. >> allies, and. >> all of not just europeans who have a border with russia or who are near russia. europeans who understand that russia. >> has coordinated. sabotage attacks across. >> the continent, engages. >> in sometimes daily. >> cyber attacks on. >> different kinds of institutions, infrastructure all over europe, whose country, whose propagandists constantly threaten europe and constantly repeat, you know, threats to,

to, to bomb or even nuke european cities. >> i think everybody felt today a. >> kind of chill. >> understanding that. >> this was a very different united states. i mean, i'd like to draw all of your attention to the role of vance in this, in this meeting. >> i mean. >> people are focusing on president trump and president zelensky. but if you. >> look back at the tape. >> which. >> i've just done, it looks like vance. >> is the one who started the argument or who who escalated. >> the argument, rather. >> and since. >> he tried to do something. >> similar in the. >> recent meeting. >> with keir. >> starmer, the british prime minister, i mean, i think. we should. >> we should focus on his role. >> why is he. >> trying to ruin meetings with european leaders? what is the purpose. >> of that? >> i'm not even sure i know the answer. >> do you want to take a stab at the answer? >> yeah. i think i. noticed the same thing as as. an that he was the spoiler. he was the one that picked the fight. it shows,

frankly, how ignorant he is and how. >> how much. >> is he has evolved. >> over the course. >> of the years, since 2019. when i first met president zelenskyy, i sensed him to be very earnest, a. >> patriot for his. >> country, but frankly not. >> particularly practiced. >> he looks like. >> a world leader. >> he standing his ground against. vance and trump. and their rampant. ignorance about what is going on on the ground, who the belligerents are, and how to work your way out of it. it's not that zelensky doesn't want peace. he desperately. wants peace. he just knows how to get to. it is the exact. opposite of what vance and trump are counseling. it is not complicity. it is not a commendation to putin, who is dangling, just saying the words of, well, yes, let's talk about peace, but has at no point indicated that he's willing to do it. he still wants maximalist outcomes. he still wants capitulation. but the mere offer

seems to be enough to for folks that are really ignorant about how to deal with bullies to deal with this. >> do you think? i mean, i want to do something. before we go any further, i want to fact check jd vance because he has, frankly, since the election victory, he's had access to the best intelligence in the world. he lied about zelensky not thanking the american people. here is that message of gratitude. >> i think. >> every american. family which. >> cherishes the warmth of. >> its home. >> and wishes the. >> same. >> warmth to other people. i thank president biden and both parties at the senate and the house. >> for your. >> invaluable assistance. i thank. your cities. >> and your. >> citizens who supported ukraine this year. >> who hosted. >> our ukrainians, our people.

>> who waved our. national flags. >> who acted to help us. thank. >> thank you all. >> from everyone who is now at the front line, from everyone who is. evading victory. standing here today. i recall the words of the president, franklin delano roosevelt, which has, i think, so good for this moment. the american people in their. righteous might, will win through to absolute victory. the ukrainian people will win two. absolutely. >> began before the disinformation from jd vance in the oval office spreads too far around the world. let me fact check some of that as well. zelensky did not talk the united states of america into spending

$350 billion. that is inaccurate. the overall u.s. response to the war in ukraine has totaled $183 billion from russia's full scale invasion. and that is a figure through september 30th that includes $46.5 billion for increased u.s. military activity in europe. the united states has not spent $200 billion more than europe. that's another lie today told to an american ally. that is inaccurate. the united states has allocated $18 billion less for ukraine than the total allotted by european donors between february of 2022 and december of 2024. and applebaum, what are the lies in service of two? >> i mean. >> the. >> the idea that. >> somehow zelenskyy is responsible for. >> the war. >> that he. >> started the war. >> that he doesn't want. >> to end the war. i mean, these

are this is a misinterpretation of what's going on in ukraine. nobody wants the war to end more than the ukrainians want. >> it to end. what they're afraid. >> of is that the war. >> will end. >> in such a way that their state is left unstable or or. becomes impossible to rule. you know. >> even. >> if the fighting were to stop tomorrow. which, by the way. >> putin has. >> not stopped fighting. >> nor has he indicated. >> he will stop fighting. but even if it were to stop tomorrow. >> ukraine would. >> still need some kind of. >> guarantee, some. >> kind of presence of the western world, of the. democratic world, or. you know, of any someone else. >> with an army in. >> order. >> to. >> guarantee that the russians wouldn't invade. again in six months or six years. >> and i think that's what president. >> zelensky was trying. to say. >> he was saying that putin has agreed. >> to things. >> in the past, but then he breaks. >> the agreements. >> so he's somebody who has a long.

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tough guy without the united states, and your people are very brave. but you're either going to make a deal or we're out. and if we're out, you'll fight it out. i don't think it's going to be pretty, but you'll fight it out. but you don't have the cards. but once we sign that deal, you're in a much better position. but you're not acting at all thankful. and that's not a nice thing. i'll be honest. that's not a nice thing. all right. i think we've seen enough. what do you think this is? this is going to be great television. i will say that. >> you're not acting grateful enough. you're not being thankful. donald trump to the leader of ukraine joining our ongoing coverage. former united states ambassador to the united nations, former national security adviser to president obama, ambassador susan rice is here. ambassador, your reaction?

>> well. >> nicole, obviously. >> it's a very. >> sad day and an embarrassment for the united. states on the. >> world stage. >> but let's. step back and. >> analyze what's happened here. i think there's. >> no question. >> that this. >> was a setup. you heard donald. >> trump say. >> at. >> the end of that clip you played, this is. >> great television. this was a setup. >> vladimir i mean, excuse me. volodymyr zelensky was compelled. >> to agree. >> to a horrible. >> deal that. would have. >> set ukraine's minerals to the united. >> states without any concrete security guarantees. >> and yet. >> because he. >> was trying to improve a relationship with donald trump. he came. >> to. >> washington, he. >> came to the. >> oval office. >> and sat down for a meeting. hat in hand. and soon after he got.

>> there, the vice president of the united states. >> lit into. >> him and. started a confrontation. >> now, i've been. >> in countless oval office. >> meetings with heads of. >> state. >> presidents and vice presidents. >> as national security. >> adviser, as un ambassador, and. >> in other roles. i can tell. >> you that the vice president. >> or the secretary. >> of state or anybody else, they don't. >> jump in. >> hijack a conversation. without the express blessing of the president. >> of the united states. so jd. >> vance did. that deliberately. donald trump. >> knew. >> what he was going to do. and i think, as he said at. the end, because he can't help himself. >> this was. >> a setup for the cameras. it was a play to his base. >> but above all, it. >> was a play to vladimir. >> putin to show. >> fealty to vladimir putin. >> and to try to humiliate zelensky. but zelensky didn't play along with the script. >> because zelensky has got dignity and guts.

>> and zelensky. has people that he democratically represents. >> and as. >> a. >> result. he couldn't sit there and silence as lies were. >> being told about how the war. >> was started. >> whose responsibility. >> it was. >> you know. >> et cetera. >> et cetera. >> and he tried. to explain. >> what is, in fact the. >> case, to suggest. >> that he was. >> not thanked. well, i can't count. >> the number of times that. >> zelensky has thanked the american people, the american government, the president, the united states for. the critical support that. we've provided. it's not about gratitude. it was an effort to. humiliate him. >> to scuttle. >> the us. >> ukraine relationship. >> so. that trump. >> no longer feels. >> any obligation. >> to provide. support and to hand us interests and ukraine and potentially europe, to putin. >> on a silver platter. >> trump had so much to say about everything he and putin had been through together. it

was it was like a dictator's version of we can do hard things. if you're familiar with that podcast. it was insane. >> yeah. nicole, i think we have to understand what happened. today is really a piece of a. larger puzzle. we've seen this. >> building. >> frankly, since. before the. >> trump returned. >> to office. but literally so much of. what he has done in his first five weeks in office have been. >> to the benefit. >> of russia and china. so let's. >> let's review the bidding. you know, threatening. >> our ally. >> denmark in. >> greenland, you know. starting a trade war. >> with our closest. >> allies and partners. trying to, you know. >> create a conflict with canada and trying to pretend. >> to. >> relegate it to the 51st stat. vance going to munich and basically trying to blow up the nato alliance. pulling the

united states agency for international development 100% off the map and retreating, proposing to cut 8% a year from the department of defense and literally dismantling. >> the federal government. >> and eviscerating it. >> that is not. >> in any way, shape or form in the national security interests of the united states. we are. >> not only. >> alone and alienated from our closest allies. >> in. europe and asia. as we. >> heard from turnbull, but. >> worse, we have aligned. >> ourselves completely with russia, who is aligned with china, north korea and iran. so in five weeks, we flipped the script and we are dangerously isolated and cast our lot with adversaries who truly do not have our interests at heart. >> i mean, andrew natsios, who was the head of usaid for george w bush, was on the program and made the argument that usaid

keeps us safe from. it kept us safe from another nine over 11 in the years after 911, because by stemming catastrophe and human suffering, you also counter extremism in some of the most brutal and hostile corners of the globe. that that that aid isn't just philanthropic, which seems to be donald trump's misunderstanding of it, that aid is one of our most mighty soft power tools, not just for ending human suffering, but for keeping us safe here. another person described this as the worst 24 hours in modern american history that we dismantle programs to spare children from dying of malaria and measles, mumps, preventable deaths and diseases, and we dismantle the world alliance. what is trump's end game? if you're an adversary or an ally looking at everything he's doing? >> i think his end game is to undermine the security and

stability of the united states. and that brings us back to the question that you asked earlier, why there's no other way to look at this in some nicole, than to see that this is a deliberate and comprehensive weakening. >> of the united states. >> in very short order, from a security point of view, from an economic point of. >> view. >> from a diplomatic point of view, all to the benefit of our principal adversaries, russia, primarily, and china. and so i think the sooner the american people understand what this is about, what this is, what's at about, what this is, what's at stake, the clearer we can be. (♪♪) (phone dings) for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura in adults, nurtec odt can provide relief in 2 hours which can last up to 2 days. (♪♪) don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur even days after use,

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already, the new york times says that nih has stopped vetting future studies for cancer, alzheimer's, heart disease and other ailments. there are also concerns about the future of current life saving treatments that rely on money from the nih. things like the clinical trial that our next guest is participating in. it saved his life in his own battle with stage four cancer, and it continues to keep him alive. that trial is at johns hopkins university, where leaders have sued to block cuts to nih funds. they say support about 600 ongoing clinical trials, including pediatrics and children's health, heart and vascular studies and cancer. joining our coverage is kyle lewis. kyle is a us navy veteran battling stage four cancer successfully. a clinical trial at johns hopkins funded by nih saved his life. the funding freeze means that he can't continue with his treatment if he needs it again. thank you so much for being here. kyle, i saw

chewbacca, your canine friend behind you, and we were very dog friendly. if he wants to say hello. but take us inside. what what what your thoughts are as this news that impacts you directly sort of comes in fast and furious. >> yeah, if i could. >> if you don't mind, i'm just. going to share a quick snippet of. >> my. >> background so people kind. of get a feel for and put a face to some of these cuts that are happening, because i know we're all seeing numbers. flying around and, you know, we're seeing things like nih thrown. >> around. >> and a lot of people may. >> not necessarily. >> know who they are and what. they do. >> so. >> i'm happy to be. >> here to share my story. >> and kind of put some of these things into a more human angle for people to understand. >> so, as you. >> can probably see from my background here, i'm a california kid at heart. >> and i joined the. >> navy way back in the late 1990s during the relative calm of the late 1990s. and my hope was that.

>> i was going. >> to see and. >> surf all over the world. >> and then nine over 11 happened, and that changed things a little bit. and i got to see. >> parts of the. >> world i hadn't anticipated seeing. and so. >> after i got out of. >> the navy, i. >> spent another. 15 years as a. >> counterterrorism analyst working for the us government. in fact, i was working at. us cyber command when i was diagnosed with stage four cancer in january of 2020. and i was given weeks to live in january of 2020 at johns hopkins. and my doctor said, look, you have to start this very. aggressive and experimental treatment now or you are not going to be here in a few weeks. and those drugs, which again, as you mentioned, were funded by nih, that clinical. trial saved my life. it is literally the only. reason that i am here today. and that is now at risk, as you mentioned, is clinical. trials for millions of other americans across the country who have cancer and other life threatening diseases. and people, again, as you mentioned, who.

>> are. >> far, far more vulnerable. >> than i am, including children. >> kyle, can you tell us what would have happened if the trump administration had come in at a different point in your treatment, when you were in process and relying on the nih program? >> yeah, the drugs would. >> have stopped. like immediately. this funding doesn't. >> just pay for, you know. >> pieces and parts of it. >> it pays for the entire clinical trial, including things. >> like just. turning on the. >> lights and paying. >> the doctors to. >> spend their time doing this. so it's a complete nonstarter. >> when. >> this funding is shut off or frozen. nothing happens at all. >> kyle, what is the thing that people don't understand about government funded cancer research? i've tried to educate myself, but i think some republicans say, well, the private sector can do that, but the private sector is in a money making paradigm, for better or for worse. can you talk about not just what the government

does, perhaps better than anyone, including the private sector, but who it helps? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it helps everybody. i mean. >> you know, my. first option, if it were, say, five years ago. >> sorry. >> this was five. >> years ago. i got to go five years before that. so we'll call. >> it ten years ago. i would have had to have my. >> system flushed. >> with the same chemotherapy drugs that everyone hates, that have been used. >> since the 60s. >> and 70, just dumping. >> absolute poison. >> into my body. and so i'm. glad that i did not get to i did not have to go down that route, but that's only because the government has supplied funding to universities and other research centers to help develop these experimental drugs, which, by the way, the. >> drugs that. >> i'm on are still not fda approved yet for my type of cancer, which was melanoma that spread throughout my body. there's chewbacca. >> back there. >> by the way. >> that's my comfort dog. >> i see. he helped save my life, too. i can't leave. >> him out of it.

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statehouses all across the country. it will be up to them, largely, and others, to continue to give voice to the american people who see something profoundly wrong with what is happening, not just in these first few weeks, but most likely over the next four years. it's a privilege to bring in democratic governor jb pritzker of illinois. thank you so much for being here. >> hi, nicole. >> we played a whole bunch of your state of the state address. i want to play one more piece of sound before we jump into this. >> if you. >> think i'm overreacting and sounding the alarm too soon, consider this. it took the nazis one. >> month. >> three weeks. >> two days. >> eight hours and 40 minutes. >> to. >> dismantle a constitutional republic. >> and all. >> i'm saying is that when the five alarm fire starts to burn, every good person better be ready to man a post with a bucket of water. if you want to stop it from raging out of control. >> yours is an assessment i've

heard from former senior national security officials, but only privately. and you're the only one to say it publicly. say more about your decision to do that. >> well, i. >> should start. >> by saying that my family escaped the pogroms in ukraine in the 1880s, and it was when the russians were coming to kill jews. and this country, the united states, provided us with the security, safety opportunity to, well, just to live and of course, i should point out that it was a public school that gave my great grandfather an education and a public service, a public health agency that gave them a place to live. and so i am very grateful to be an american and believe very much in protecting all the rights of american, the american people. i also built a holocaust museum with holocaust survivors here.

and i can tell you that in 1933 and 1934, the german constitutional republic was converted into a dictatorship in a very short period of time. and you know, anybody who walks through a holocaust museum and sees the chronology can see that when rights get taken away, when you know people, the services to people are diminished, when all of a sudden we're favoring one group of people over another. that's a danger that we ought to all pay attention to. i'm seeing that in this country right now, and i needed to speak up. i needed people to hear that. and i think that, you know, we're seeing gradually an understanding that we've got to speak up. people need to show up and speak out. >> what is it like to be a democratic leader in a moment where the people, the only people standing up for the rule of law in terms of elected officials and the constitution and rights, basically equal

rights are democratic leaders. >> yeah. >> you know, i'm. >> concerned people need to speak up now. it's not later. there needs to be a wake up call. and i do see you played some of the video and clips from other governors, but it's the people that they represent that are speaking out, showing up at town hall meetings that are going to make the biggest difference. meanwhile, you need to see democratic leadership on this subject. and by the way, republican leadership. there are plenty of republicans out there that do not agree with what's going on in washington, d.c. now, the elected representatives in washington, who are republicans, are apparently too afraid to say in public what they say in private. they know that donald trump is off in the wrong direction. they're just afraid. they're afraid to lose their elections. democrats shouldn't be afraid. we've got to speak up right now. >> can democrats protect the

rule of law in america by themselves? >> you know, it's going to take the judges who are hearing these cases in court. it's going to take democrats taking those cases to court. it's going. to take average folks out there showing up and protesting. remember what's happening. and you've been talking about this on the program. what's happening to the federal agencies. now, that's not necessarily a matter of rights. >> as we would. >> refer to them. but, you know, when you lose the ability to see the person, you know, when you're a veteran, to see the therapist that you've seen for the entire time you've you've been under therapy as a result of the, you know, the fact that you've served in a war and just need a little bit of help when you lose that, when you lose, as is happening in my state, we're losing our meat and poultry inspectors. remember, if you are in the meat and poultry industry, you're trying to sell

your goods. you can't sell them if nobody's inspecting them. and by the way, when you go to the grocery store and your prices go up because the supply chain is broken, or when there's contaminated meat or poultry on the shelves because we don't have any more inspectors. those are the rights. those are the things that people expect to see and they're not seeing them. and again, we've got to do so much more to speak up and let everybody know across the country that what elon musk and donald trump are doing is wrong for them, bad for working class and working families across the united states. and bad for the most vulnerable people. >> i like to always stipulate that it is not the democratic party's fault that we are here, but my old party has collapsed onto itself. you have former doctors like senator cassidy voting for rfk jr. you have former prosecutors voting for folks who are not coy about their disdain for the rule of

law. so i just want to put that out as pretext. but i, i went back and i watched your speech and a bunch of other addresses from the democratic convention, including adam kinzinger and all of the things that that you and republicans warned would come to pass, have come to pass. why do you think those warnings didn't sink in in the time frame of an election? >> you know, you got to remember that the things that i'm speaking out about now about, you know, the threat to our democracy, this is not a message to win elections on. it's something people need to know. they need to know that that's happening. but, you know, if you talk to 100 people, knock on 100 doors and have knocked on an awful lot of doors running for office, and you say to people, you know, democracy is at risk. nobody knows what that looks like. they've never experienced it before. and the reality is, what people need to hear about is what the effects of that are. the prices at the grocery store

are going up because democracy is being taken away. the impact on you in terms of your health care, 770,000 people in illinois will lose health care as a result of what donald trump and elon musk and the republican congress are doing right now. it's a danger to your way of life, and that's what people need to understand. it's all about affordability. it's all about how you can, you know, make it just a little bit easier for people every single day to live their lives. and they're taking that away from you. that is what it's like to have democracy taken away. so those are, you know, we need to bifurcate between educating people about democracy being taken away and talking to people about what the message ought to be, about why they need to vote for democrats. >> thank you so much for watching deadline white house weekend. be sure to join us weekdays at 4 p.m. eastern for deadline white house on msnbc.

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