>> it's unbelievable. so yeah, that that drives me nuts. >> you know. >> because you. >> you see, i. >> mean, it's you. >> live with people. >> who are are struggling. >> and i think in a lot of ways he. >> he has forgotten. >> where he came from. >> and the. people that that are still out there struggling. >> he knows how. to use it as a. >> tagline or a punchline or, you know, a talking point. but i. >> don't think he. >> remembers exactly the, you. >> know. >> kind of. pain that people are still going through. those new episodes with tim ryan and stacey abrams will be available tomorrow wherever you get your podcasts. that does it for me today, but stay right where you are because there's much more news coming up on msnbc. >> on this new hour of ayman. europe comes to ukraine's defense after that oval office debacle between zelensky and trump. jeffrey sachs helps us make sense of what is going on, and we're going to talk about the next phase of the gaza

ceasefire in peril as israel cuts off lifesaving aid to the gaza strip, plus trump's immigration plan. that's extremely dangerous. despite being nearly impossible to enforce. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. the fallout from donald trump and ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky's blow up at the white house is still reverberating around the world. after being unceremoniously run out of washington by trump on friday, zelensky is now being welcomed with open arms by the europeans. you're looking at pictures of zelensky being greeted in london today by uk prime minister keir starmer. this was part of an emergency summit with european leaders, all of them standing strongly behind ukraine and pledging to shore up support. after zelenskyy scolding in the oval office and following the meeting, starmer made a pledge to ukraine and a plea to washington. >> the uk is prepared to back

this with boots on the ground and planes in the air, together with others, europe must do the heavy lifting, but to support peace in our continent and to succeed, this effort must have strong us backing. >> so how did we get here? what does this mean for america's position in the world? and will it empowered russia become more aggressive, as some might fear? will europe be forced to step out of america's shadow and take a more forceful role in world affairs and defending the european continent? trump's personal hostility towards zelensky and his affection for putin have received much attention, but the groundwork for ukraine's unfolding catastrophe may have been seated long ago. critics of american foreign policy have been warning for years, decades, in fact, that nato expansion would serve as an unnecessary provocation to russia and that the most provocative potential addition

to nato, one that russia would never allow on its border, was ukraine. and one of those critics has been professor jeffrey sachs. he has been warning americans and ukrainians that this day could come. in fact, here is what he told the european parliament just last month. >> i begged the ukrainians and i had a track record with the ukrainians. i advised the ukrainians, i'm not anti-ukrainian, i'm pro-ukrainian completely. i said, save your lives, save your sovereignty, save your territory, be neutral. don't listen to the americans, i repeated to them the famous adage of henry kissinger that to be an enemy of the united states is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal. >> well, here we are. and with us now is the man you just heard from, professor jeffrey sachs. he's an economist and the director of the center for sustainable development in the earth institute at columbia university. professor sachs, it's great to have you on the show. thank you for making time

for us. of course, i thought i'd start, you know, after all of your warnings over the years. and, and i follow your work closely and certainly your public comments closely, i was curious to hear what your take on what we witnessed in the oval office on friday and how you interpret what happened on friday. >> we're in the end game of 30 year, 30 year attempt by the united states to move the us military and the nato alliance into the black sea region, specifically to ukraine and to georgia. this idea goes back to 1994, when it was basically decided within the clinton administration. it was laid out in detail by brzezinski in 1997, in his book, the grand chessboard. i've been watching this year by year for these 30 years, and i believe that it would come to grief and it's coming to grief. ukraine has

lost perhaps a million people to death and serious injury in a war that never should have taken place. this is like china or russia trying to establish a naval base or a military base in canada or in mexico. you could imagine such a scenario. but the united states would not take kindly to it. russia told the united states for 30 years, don't come to our borders with your military alliance. the us thought it had all the cards. the us and i. i've gone through this with americans again for 30 years saying you're you've exaggerated and so forth. so what do i make of what happened last week, basically, that trump does not want to hold the losing hand that biden was playing. biden thought in 2021, we have all the cards we can push nato to ukraine. russia can't really

resist. that's been the american attitude for decades. literally, they thought economic sanctions or our weapon systems, the himars and the atacms or unrest inside russia would mean that the us would get its way. i it was absolutely obvious that this was wrong. going back to 2021. i tried to tell jake sullivan, i told the white house, i tried to say to everybody, you're making a terrible mistake. well, in the end, trump doesn't want to play a losing hand, so he's cutting his losses. he's saying, we're not we're not going to back a war that's going south, that is losing. and that's basically the end of it. >> as somebody who tracks this very closely and who's been studying it for decades, are you concerned that instead of being an honest broker between russia and ukraine, a trump led united states is simply siding with russia at ukraine's expense, as you said, to avoid this kind of losing hand and that this could

be more devastating for ukraine down the road. and perhaps other countries in europe, because the what some in this country argue is that if ukraine falls or somehow its territory is lost to russia, it will only embolden vladimir putin and the russians to say they can do this again during a trump presidency. >> when i was 14 years old, general westmoreland said, it's the domino effect. if vietnam falls, all of southeast asia will go communist. this is a meme of american foreign policy for decades. no, i'm not concerned about that. what i would say absolutely that that americans should understand in march 2022, a peace agreement was on the table that would have ended this conflict. you can look up because the new york times kindly provided us with the text of the april 15th

document, which was nearly ready for signing. the united states and the uk told the ukrainians, don't sign, don't accept neutrality, fight on. this was the terrible mistake. i knew it then. i told them then, but they did it. i actually flew to turkey to hear the details of how ukraine walked away from the negotiating table. from that moment when a decent agreement was on the table till today, ukraine is, as i said, has had about a million casualties. we need to stop these wars because this is absolutely leading us nowhere good, only bad. you know, i spoke at university of pennsylvania and a couple of days ago, and penn was founded by benjamin franklin, and he wrote in a letter in 1783 to a friend, and i'm paraphrasing, there is no such thing as a good

war, and there's no such thing as a bad peace. and this is basically right. this war has been a bad war, and we need peace to save ukraine. this is the point to save ukraine, not to use ukraine for our purposes, not to use ukraine to weaken russia, or to use ukraine for strategic minerals, for heaven's sake, but to let ukraine be sovereign and stable with neutrality, which is, if you look on the map, what is the natural thing for ukraine to be? >> professor sachs, i'm going to squeeze in a quick break. but when we come back, i'd like to talk to you more about other aspects of trump's foreign policy, as well as this delicate ceasefire that is in danger of collapse in gaza. >> wow. >> incredible. amazing. >> my go to is lumify eye drops. >> lumify dramatically reduces redness. >> in one minute. >> and look. >> at the difference. >> my eyes look brighter and.

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deal expired. israel announced today that it is once again cutting off humanitarian aid to gaza, and it's sparking another round of international outcry. israel wants hamas to accept a new ceasefire bridging proposal from trump's middle east envoy, steve witkoff. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu released a video this evening thanking donald trump for his support of this new policy. the policy would extend phase one of the ceasefire through both ramadan and passover, the latter of which ends on april 20th. but hamas denounced this israeli move, calling it blackmail and a blatant coup against the cease fire deal. it pointed out that there already is a cease fire deal, one that all parties signed in january. as a reminder, using starvation as a weapon is a war crime. and the international criminal court recently issued an arrest warrant for benjamin netanyahu for that very crime. professor jeffrey sachs is still with me. professor sachs, donald trump says and posts a lot of wild things. we try to focus on what he does and not as much on what he says or he posts. but i do

want to ask him, because i do want to ask you, because in january, he actually posted a video that made international headlines like this. trump shares inflammatory video with crude reference to netanyahu. that crude reference about netanyahu was made by you. so trump clearly is familiar with your work and values your insights at least. what would you be advising him tonight on this latest move by netanyahu? >> netanyahu does not want to cease fire. netanyahu does not want peace. the reason is very simple. netanyahu is part of a political movement that goes back decades, five decades, that is aimed to prevent a state of palestine, a state of palestine next door to a state of israel is the only way to peace. this is the whole point. netanyahu, and especially even his more radical colleagues, if i could call it that, in his extremist government, want israel to

control all of the palestinian lands so that it becomes what they call greater israel. and this is the entire story of what's happening right now. there could be an end of this conflict, just like the end of the conflict in ukraine that we discussed with this so-called two state solution, a state of palestine member of the un, the 194th member, alongside israel, the entire arab world has repeatedly signed on to this. the 57 countries of the organization of islamic cooperation have signed on to this. this peace could come now. netanyahu does not want it, because that would mean a state of palestine. and that is the core of his government's purpose to prevent a state of palestine, whether it's through ethnic cleansing, whether it's through these horrific wars that he's

been waging, whether it's through what many people, including myself, considered apartheid policies in the occupied territories. and there's so much brutality going on in the west bank, not only in gaza right now, but this is a strategy. and it goes back to 1996, when netanyahu became prime minister in a document called clean break. netanyahu said, no, we're not going to have a state of palestine. and if anyone tries to support the palestinians in this, especially supporting hamas or hezbollah, we need to overthrow those governments, whether it's in syria or whether it's in libya or whether it's in iraq. so netanyahu has been a cheerleader for america to go to war repeatedly. he's been a disaster for us. that's my point. that's that's what i said in that clip that president trump posted. >> do you see a kind of cohesive foreign policy emerging when you look at the pieces of the

ukraine puzzle and the gaza puzzle in a donald trump administration? i mean, if you look at just this last week, you know, we've heard that the trump administration talk about america first, america first, they quickly turned off, as we saw with the white house, you know, spray with zelensky. we saw an american president very capable of threatening to quickly shut down weapons and shipments to an ally. is it at all possible that donald trump would ever use his leverage with the israeli prime minister in any meaningful way? >> he should. if the united states said that palestine will join the un as the 194th member state, and remember, the u.s. was the only veto of that proposition in 2024. if donald trump said that, there would be peace in the middle east, this would be an extraordinary achievement. and yes, he could do it. absolutely, because the united states just has to say, no, no, you're not going to

control all the palestinian lands. no, you're not going to violate international law. no, you're not going to do ethnic cleansing. there's going to be a state of palestine alongside a state of israel. israel will be secure, but there's going to be two states. if donald trump says that he makes peace, he ends what has been 100 years, by the way, not just since 1948 or 1967, but 100 years of violence in this place by having a settlement. and it's possible. it's absolutely within reach. now, all the arab states have said we will normalize relations with israel. when that is done, we could have peace throughout the middle east. if donald trump will do what i think he should do for america's sake and say u.s. will run its foreign policy, not israel and the us foreign policy is for peace, and that is based on the two state solution, which has overwhelming

support everywhere in the world. everywhere in the world, about 95% of the world's population live in countries that have voted recently for the two state solution the g20, the brics, the un general assembly, the arab league, the organization of islamic cooperation. everybody, the united states is actually the last holdout. if the us if donald trump says, look, i want peace. i want to stop the killing. all he has to do is say palestine will join the un as the 194th member state will drop our veto, and then there will be peace and normalization of relations. netanyahu is completely dedicated against this. but you know what? he doesn't have the veto. if the united states does what it should do. >> so when you kind of look at what just happened, i mean, the us just sent another $4 billion bypassing congress to israel. when you see the way the media

coverage has covered it, and you've been critical about how american media covers foreign policy and how american audiences are treated like babies, as you said. and look, here's a side by side headline about what's happening right now. headline in an israeli paper, netanyahu stalls stage two of the gaza ceasefire and once again, weaponizes israel's grief. on the right is an npr headline. hamas rejects israel's request to extend phase one of the gaza ceasefire. how can americans know what is happening in the world when most of our mainstream publications are so slanted in one direction? >> and by the way, it's so basic. if there are two states, there's peace. if israel tries to dominate 8 million palestinians, there's war. it's simple. so everybody should understand that we could have peace tomorrow. honestly, this is not so complicated, but it's a matter of saying no to the extremists in israel that say they want to dominate or ethnically cleanse the region or do other, even more horrific things, because what the voices

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which outlets now get to cover the president. the job normally goes to the white house correspondents association. so it begs the question, what could be wrong with that? trump has already barred the ap, reuters, huffpo and other outlets from covering the first cabinet meeting, and a number of journalists have lost their access to cover certain presidential events already. who is likely to cover these events right now? you guessed it right wing journalists. people who are friends with trump. conservative influencers, and so on. trump has been putting on this tough guy act since he first entered politics. but all of this represents more than just an erosion of our democracy. it exemplifies trump's fear and weakness. he's afraid of people who dare to ask questions of him, and of others who don't parrot his talking points. with me now, paola ramos, msnbc contributor whitney snyder, the new editor in chief at huffpost, and tara setmayer, co-founder and ceo of the seneca project and author of uncompromised with tara setmayer on substack. whitney, i'll start with you. earlier today, you saw again

reporters, i believe, from the ap. they were turned away part of the of the press pool. instead, you had right wing outlets like the daily wire and real america's voice that were part of the rotation. i know that you have covered washington. you've covered the white house. but leadership position huffpost has been affected by these decisions. what do you make of it? what do you think this means for press freedom in this country and for your news organization specifically? >> i kind of. >> hold two thoughts at. >> once. on this. >> on the one. >> hand, this. >> is a. >> profoundly. >> you know. >> outrageous attack on the free press. and something. that's really. >> alarming coming from a. >> president who clearly has. >> you know, apparent. >> authoritarian ambitions. >> and on the. >> other. >> hand. >> i think it's also important to. >> see. this as a fundamentally. >> weak move. >> you know, this is a president so spineless. >> that he now wants to. >> handpick which reporters have access to him. >> and by. >> the way, the white house, they love to.

>> brag about. >> how open trump is. and they they say that he takes more questions than other presidents. and yet. >> they want to handpick. >> which reporters can ask those questions. and this isn't a partizan issue, or at least it shouldn't be, you know. having timely, accurate information about the most powerful person in the world is good for everyone in this country. you even saw fox news white house correspondent this week say something to that effect. and so. >> i think donald trump. >> he sees this as. >> good for. >> him, but it's not clear that it's good for this country. >> and how does it impact the way you cover or your organization covers trump and the trump presidency? will it have any negative impact for you? it definitely has an impact on us. our senior. >> white house correspondent, shirish date. he was supposed to be on pool duty this past wednesday. the night before he was suddenly told they didn't. >> have room for him. >> when he. >> asked basic follow up questions the next day, he was lectured by the white house press secretary that he should be grateful. so really. >> lovely behavior. >> from this white house. >> but, you know.

>> we're still going to report on the white house and their. actions as well as we can. but definitely some. >> outlets. >> including ours, are seeing access restricted in certain ways. >> there's no doubt that, you know, americans deserve transparency from their government. and a press pool offers that. it offers the american people direct access to their highest elected official, the so-called leader of the free world. now we're seeing journalists being barred from doing that. and although it may be a small step, as we've seen with trump, it always starts with something small. and then it begins to expand more and more and see what he can get away with. and so the question now becomes, is there something is there anything that journalists can do or should do to prevent this erosion? >> you know. >> i was i was thinking of that exact question on friday when i was seeing the whole fiasco unfold at the white house. and i was thinking, you say donald trump seems weak. and i, unfortunately was thinking the same thing about the press, like, how weak are we in this moment, right? and as i was seeing that unfold, i suddenly believed that the press has become this like actor within the tv spectacle that donald

trump wants us to see. yeah, because in that moment, you see donald trump rewriting history, lying to our face. but then in a way, in this very, like, manipulative way, like driving the press to be these like, complicit enablers of the tv spectacle. yeah. >> and so. >> he said that at the end, he said, this is going to make this is going to make great television. >> so what do you do in that moment? right. we're sort of facing this like catch 22 where we have to question, like, is it better to be in the room or is it better to be out of the room? right. and if you're out of the room, like what does accountability look like? but i do i do fear that we are a lot weaker than we ever have. >> tara, there's three things that are kind of happening simultaneously with trump. on one hand, he's attacking the media. he's been doing that since he joined 2016. he's helped kind of erode a lot of the trust, if you will, in our public institutions as well as the media. he's now stacking the white house press pool with, you know, his cosplaying as journalists. we had a reporter there, white house reporter,

asking zelensky why he's not wearing a suit and pretend that he is a white house journalist, but what practical effect will this have when you are stacking the press corps, you have stenographers in there asking favorable questions or irrelevant questions at best, and you're attacking all of those that are willing to speak truth to power to you or hold you accountable. >> well, it has a chilling effect, because the free press is supposed to be the vessel in which the american people get the their information. they're supposed to be reporting on what's happening. how can the american people make informed decisions if they're not getting honest, truthful reporting about our elected officials? and i think you're seeing this in a lot of places in mainstream media where they are obeying in advance because the question was asked, is it better to be in the room, or is it better to be on the outside trying to figure out what's going on and reporting on it? i mean, it's a it's a conundrum because if you're in

the room, but then you report truthfully, you're punished for it. you saw what trump tried, what the trump administration did to the ap. we saw what they did to cnn in the past, and to see the white house correspondents come together, even fox to say this is not okay. it's clear that trump and his administration don't give a damn. they don't care. and so they're platforming right wing extremists. it's very orwellian in the way in which they're trying to make us believe that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, but that's why it's so important for independent journalists and other forms, other ways to get that information out. we have to do that because the american people have got to know what's going on. when you have major newspapers like the washington post and the l.a. times and others trying to soften their coverage of trump, you know, that there's other reasons behind that. jeff bezos lost a $10 billion pentagon contract during the first trump administration, because donald trump was upset about the way the washington post was covering him. it's so transparent. the

transactional relationship here, and it's despicable. that's why so many great journalists left the washington post. it's sad to watch, but there's a reason why freedom of the press is in the bill of rights, right? i mean, it's there because our founding fathers understood the necessity for that. and donald trump is wants to be a king, wants to be a dictator. and what do you do? you take away the ability for the people to know the truth. and that's why he's doing it. the press is the enemy of the people to this administration. >> what do you make is again, in a position of leadership. when you see other news organizations, as tara was saying, i don't know if you share that view, but this kind of description, that it's a capitulation or bending the knee and you're kind of narrowing the scope of what you can talk about. just kind of elaborate on that as a position of leadership, how you manage your newsroom when you're seeing other newsrooms and this kind of emergence of this bending the knee approach from tech titans and now the washington post's opinion page. yeah, it's been a. >> really stark.

>> change from. >> trump's first term. >> you know, there's so many more outlets. >> now that seem to be. >> taking a much. >> more cautious approach. sometimes this is happening with, you know. intervention from the owners. and sometimes seemingly out of fear, sometimes out of opportunism. >> but, you. >> know, we really want to be. >> loud and. >> transparent about what we see is going on. and we think other journalists out there want to do that as well. >> but at. >> some places it seems harder and harder to do that. and that's really troubling to see. >> yeah, well, we hope you continue with the fearless reporting. we certainly need it now more than ever. whitney snyder, thank you so much for joining us. tara powell, please stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss when we come back. the danger of trump's quest to register undocumented immigrants, including teenagers. >> work. >> play. >> blink. relief. >> work. play. >> blink. >> relief. the only 3. >> relief. the only 3. >> in. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools,

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>> were you there on january? >> i was there on january 6th. >> did it surprise you that you were fired, given how resolutely nonpartisan you have been? >> and for more in-depth reporting, follow her podcast. >> trumpland. >> with alex wagner. >> if the trump administration gets its way, immigrants as young as 14 years old will have to register with the government or potentially face criminal prosecution. the recent announcement by the department of homeland security is a dramatic escalation of its efforts to push millions of immigrants out of the united states, or make them leave on their own. this comes the same week that president trump signed an executive order to make english the official language of the united states, marking the first time the u.s. has ever designated any such language. look, let's get this straight it is not realistic for immigration officials to check if every single undocumented person in this country has turned over their data. because guess what? there are some 11 million of them here. and it's also not realistic for trump to make sure

everyone in the u.s, all 300 million of us are speaking english at all times. whenever we have to do anything with our local or state or federal government. but these orders will empower bad actors and anti-immigrant advocates to discriminate against non-english speakers, all to fulfill his promise of pushing out those in our society they deem insufficiently american. tara setmayer and paola ramos are back with me. i'll start with you, paula. we've already seen people attack people being attacked for basically for immigrants attacking immigrants for not speaking english. you've got in january, a man in south carolina impersonating an ice agent chastised a man speaking spanish, saying, quote, don't be speaking the pig latin here. this isn't new and we're only seeing it ramp up. now. a friend of ours, jason selvig from the good liars, was at cpac. i believe there was a guy walking around with an ice jacket, and when jason asked him why he had that, he said he would, just for

fun, sometimes walk into like a home depot and just see the reaction from shoppers or workers in those areas. and that's where we are as a country. >> exactly. that's where we are. but if we're going to go there, then let's remind trump that actually spanish was spoken in this country before english. like if we're going to go there like, like spanish was the first european language that was spoken in this land. and then a hundred years later, it was english. so let's start with that fact. but yeah, look, this is this is trump's version of his culture war. now, this is his attempt to really try and reverse the natural progression of a country where over 40 million people speak spanish as their primary first language, including myself. and it's his way to attempt in the progress of a country that in 2050 will be majority minority. and so this is one of the tactics that he's using. but to your point, and that's the fear now that it emboldens the worst instincts among the racists in this country, and it emboldens people to dress up as ice agents, and

it emboldens racists to tell immigrants to stop speaking spanish. it emboldens counties across this country to believe that they can pass bounty hunter laws. and so this is what it's about. and it's really embolden the worst imagination of antifa of the anti-immigrant movement. >> yeah, it's an ugly chapter in this country's long history. tara, migrants who don't register with the government now could face criminal or civil penalties. how would trump administration officials even begin to tackle something like this? what do you make of their escalation? >> again, it's the cruelty is the point with these people, and it's not practical. how are you going to pay for it? it's the same thing with the english as the official language. nonsense. who's going to pay for that? you know how much it's going to cost the government to get rid of all of the documents that are in multiple languages, to accommodate americans that speak different languages? i mean, it's just so absurd. are we going to stop now teaching kids to speak different languages in

school? because when i went to school, we got to choose if we wanted to learn spanish, french, german, italian. some schools teach mandarin now, like, is that going to are we going to get rid of that too? it's just asinine. we don't live in an only english speaking world, so it doesn't make sense. so. so this is part of fully retreating from the world as well. more of the isolationism. and if we're talking about speaking english, maybe donald trump should be the first person to learn, because a lot of times he doesn't speak proper english. he doesn't complete a freaking sentence. okay, so like, it's so absurd that he's going after other people in this country because they're threatened by the diversity and the richness of that diversity in this country. so again, all of this is not good policy. i worked on immigration policy when i was a capitol hill staffer for seven years. and there are some there are a lot of issues with immigration. there's a lot of issues with immigration enforcement. but what the trump administration is doing doesn't solve any of it. it's all for theater. it's all for show. it's

all part of him trying to assert himself to be some kind of, you know, tough guy. and he was complaining that there weren't enough deportations, right? it wasn't. where where is the spectacle? where is it? because it's not practical. and unfortunately, there are human there's human suffering here. and this is from the same people that put kids in cages. so what do we expect? >> and to tara's point, the cruelty and the kind of theatrics of it. definitely. gitmo is probably on top of that list, right? guantanamo bay, you've got the aclu this week filing a lawsuit on behalf of ten migrants that are currently being held there. and, again, the trump administration, these were supposed to be like the gang members, the high risk individuals. the aclu is coming on saying these ten people are neither gang members nor high risk individuals. >> and i think the aclu said that the theatrics is the point. now, the point is to bring it back to the first segment is to really keep feeding americans this idea of the strongman person that's in charge of a strong america that is really fighting against terrorists and

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remember this headline from vanity fair right after the election? 42 felony counts, one conviction, two cases pending, two impeachments, six bankruptcies and four more years. well, if that can happen for the presidency, what else can happen? enter this guy. disgraced former new york governor andrew cuomo, announcing his new bid for new york city mayor to replace disgraced current mayor eric adams. and in case you have forgotten, cuomo resigned as governor in 2021 after a report by attorney general letitia james concluded that he had sexually harassed at least 11 women. now, cuomo claims james manipulated the investigation in order to pursue her own run for governor. years later, the u.s. justice department concluded that cuomo sexually harassed more than a dozen state employees, and amazingly, cuomo is already racking up key endorsements and doing well in the polls. and if that's not bad enough, there's this influencer's andrew and tristan tate who are facing, yes, facing

human trafficking violations in romania were welcomed back to the united states this week after romania eased their travel restrictions after several high level white house officials took interest in their case. andrew tate has also been charged with rape. he and his brother deny all the charges, but they are both vocal trump supporters with large online followings. so despite trump's brand as the guy trying to deport alleged criminals in this case, he seems to take no issue with welcoming them to america. my panel is back with me. i'll start with you, tara. take your pick. i mean, this is the new trump america, right? you've got new york city, andrew cuomo coming back into american politics, despite these allegations that have been leveled against him by the attorney general in new york and the department of justice and the accusers. and he seems to be doing well in the polls and may ultimately win the

democratic party nomination and the outright the mayorship. >> listen, i come from new jersey and we have a lot of issues with our politicians in jersey, and only new york can one up new jersey on that. i find it hard to believe that there aren't there isn't anyone else really. you know, i run a women's organization and frankly, it's despicable that it seems as though for a lot of people, what happens to women doesn't matter. it doesn't matter. our experiences don't seem to matter anymore. they said, me too is now canceled. and i think that's a shame. i'm here to say that women's voices do matter, and our experiences matter. and i'm looking forward to women speaking out about the fact that this is not acceptable. and it shouldn't be in any, in any circumstance. which leads me to the tate brothers. this is absolutely despicable. these guys brag about violence against women. they are the worst of the worst. and they are. and we find out that white house officials were

involved in bringing them to the us. are they going to dine with donald trump next down at mar a lago? are we going to see them partying with with him? why not? birds of a feather, i guess. i mean, this is absolutely women. women who voted for donald trump. i ask you, is this what you voted for? is this what you voted for? because i've got news for you. that is what you voted for. whether you wanted to admit it or not. you voted for someone who doesn't have a problem and a culture. this bro culture that doesn't have a problem elevating people who are under credible, credible charges for sexually assaulting women, despicable, horrible things to women and the they're welcomed with open arms into america. i don't understand they're more worried about a trans person than the tate brothers. their priorities are all screwed up because the last time i checked, i'd much rather be in a bathroom with a trans person than one of those two bastards. >> you know, paula, andrew cuomo getting into the race, some democrats saying they're kind of

waiting to see how it plays out, but not condemning him for running. i mean, you know, separate the fact that he does have the right to run. >> but which is the most cuomo thing to do. >> like, right. >> like he can do it again. >> yeah. but at the end of the day, does it weaken democrats who have spent years telling us you're electing, you know, somebody who had made infamous comments on tape against women and how with power he could do whatever he wants to women and grab them by the you know what? and the sexual allegations against him, you know, and now they're willing to potentially endorse a candidate in mayor in the city. mayor, because he's a democrat. he's one of them. >> i think so i think these are the moments that count, right? these are the moments where we need guidance, where we need people to have to have a spine, you know, to really live their morals and their ethics. but at the end of the day, to tara's point, like this is on us. it's on new yorkers. it's on women to really understand in what type of leadership we want. i think new york city typically hides under the guise of being a

progressive, liberal bastion. but if you look closely over the last couple of years, we've been tested. i mean, you see donald trump in 2024 that made a lot of inroads in new york city and almost all of the bureaus. and you see how the migrant crisis really tested our sort of empathy towards what it really means to be a sanctuary city. you saw how the protests on campuses across the city also really tested. and this idea of being empathetic, knowing how how divided or not we are. and so i think for me, this is what i'm looking at, new yorkers beyond democrats now because i don't know what to expect from them. but this is one where we're looking at new yorkers and really testing our moral capacity to live by our values. >> tara, you know, the interesting thing with the tate brothers is that not everyone has welcomed them. ironically, ron desantis, out of all the republicans, he has been very critical of the fact that they are not welcome in their state. and he kind of opposed it. does it matter? does it mean anything when the head of the republican

party is donald trump? and as you mentioned, they use the weight of the american government to get these two men basically freed to travel. >> little, too little, too late. ron desantis. mr. we're going to criminalize being gay in florida. i mean, i, i can't with him this oh, now he's upset, now he's pearl clutching whatever. and it's no accident that they came to florida. just say that. >> interesting point. that's very interesting as well that they went to florida out of all the other places they could have gone. tara setmayer, paula ramos, thank you so much. great to see you, as always. greatly appreciate both of your voices this evening, and thank you for making time for us. make sure to catch ayman each saturday and sunday at 7 p.m. eastern. you can find us on instagram at msnbc. be sure to scan the qr code on the screen to listen to every episode of ayman as a podcast. and until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. have a great night.

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