183337354495 or. visit homeserve.com. >> good to be with you. >> i'm katie tur. >> the fallout from. >> friday's oval. >> office meeting between president. donald trump and vladimir. zelensky is snowballing as european leaders bear hug the ukrainian. president and huddle to figure out if and how they can fend off vladimir putin and russia alone. the desire is there, at least among some of these nations, but the realities are a lot more complicated. the situation is also pretty tangled up here at

home as well, as president trump is considering a move that could derail his own administration's talks with russia and end up escalating the war instead of ending it. two administration officials tell nbc news the white house might cut off all future funding to ukraine if that happens. vladimir putin could consider it an open, an open door to push harder into ukraine. and if there was concern about that outcome, white house officials and republicans on the hill sure didn't show it over the weekend. >> what we don't have right now is president zelensky saying, i am ready to take the steps necessary and have the conversations necessary, and make the compromises necessary to end the fighting. >> something has to change. either he needs to come to his senses and come back to the table in gratitude, or someone else needs to lead the country to do that. i mean, it's up to

the ukrainians to figure that out, but i can tell you that we are we are exerting peace through strength. >> beyond those moves to subdue ukraine as if ukraine was the aggressor here, the u.s. appears to be backing off russia as well. a u.s. official with direct knowledge tells nbc news. defense secretary pete hegseth canceled all u.s. offensive cyber and information operations against russia. we're going to explain what that means. it will leave a huge hole in cyber and satellite monitoring of potentially aggressive moves made by russia, which the eu simply cannot fill. all of this a version of peace through strength that russia says it can get behind. in fact, the kremlin now says u.s. foreign policy is aligned with theirs. we begin with nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett hake, nbc news chief washington correspondent and chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell, former senior state

department and cia official ned price, and msnbc political analyst ashley parker. she's also a staff writer at the atlantic. garrett, there is a new truth social tweet, donald trump again saying that he doesn't believe vladimir zelensky. volodymyr zelensky is ready for peace. >> yeah, and he essentially hangs that on comments from zelensky over the weekend, in which zelensky said that he believes the end of the war is very, very far away. here we hear the president say that he thinks this is the worst statement that zelensky could have made, and that america is not going to put up for it for much longer. there has been no resumption, no action that we can find here at the white house of any kind of talks between the us and ukraine over the weekend since that meltdown here at the oval office on friday and this morning, the national security adviser said there are essentially three things that need to happen for those talks to resume. volodymyr zelensky needs to show gratitude to the united states, something zelensky has been endeavoring to do on social media and in appearances since. he needs to indicate a willingness to sign that minerals deal that was on

the table on friday. zelensky has said he would do so, and he needs to apologize for his behavior in the oval office. the last one of those, katy, i think, is very much a part of how donald trump views diplomacy as sort of personal connection between two individuals. he's going to want to see that from zelensky before he's welcome back here. i think if that's the bad news for zelensky, who said that he doesn't want to or think that it's necessary to apologize, the good news is the other side of that coin, because this is so personal to donald trump and because he campaigned so aggressively on ending the war on day one, i think it's likely that he's going to continue to want to pursue a deal as well. but for right now, we're back in the social media taunt phase of these negotiations, not active coordination between the two nations. >> how much does donald trump want this minerals deal? he wants to feel like he can compete with china on minerals, on these these the minerals that go into all the technology that we use. it's all in the ground in ukraine. there are questions about whether it's actually feasible to get it out of the

ground. but how much does donald trump want this deal? >> yeah. lithium, titanium, uranium, rare minerals, minerals of which are in heavy supply in places like china, not so much accessible to the us. i think he wants it badly. he's he's been talking about it at great length the last two weeks as a major priority for the us. but katie, i do think it's bigger than that. our colleague peter nicholas had a great story out over the weekend that donald trump wants to win the nobel peace prize. he wants to be seen as a deal maker without peer, who can end world conflicts around the globe. he wants this ceasefire deal, which is, i think, the bigger issue. and he sees the minerals deal as the first step along that road. without one, you can't have the other, and without the other, he can't get the credit that he thinks he would deserve if he ends this war. >> andrea, give me the inside track on what's happening overseas. you saw vladimir zelensky bear hugged by the prime minister of the uk over the weekend. macron is expressing support for him. but. but when you go beyond that and look for other countries that might want to back ukraine up,

both financially and maybe physically, it gets a little murkier. explain what's happening. >> well, the europeans are just shocked by what happened in the oval office. they were shocked in munich by what j.d. vance said, his lecturing of europe, rather than the embrace of ukraine. republicans in the congressional delegation that i was covering there, republicans as well as democrats, were upset and angry, with perhaps the exception of lindsey graham. and we're saying so privately, but have now also flipped to a great extent in the days following friday's big outburst. so it's clear that they are siding with donald trump in a complete reordering of u.s. policy that goes back more than 50 years. it goes back really 70 or 80 years. if you think of the post-world war two configurations, the creation of nato and all of those alliances. and the fact is

that there was never an expectation that the ukraine would pay for this u.s. support. this was all part of the us contribution, which is smaller than the combined european contribution, contrary to what the president has said. and salinsky was placed in the position of having to defend himself and not wanting to, you know, acknowledge or agree with president trump's, you know, praise of vladimir putin. that would have been so damaging to him. and that goes against everything he stands for. he was saying 20,000 children, ukrainian children have been kidnaped and renamed and have lost their birthright in addition to all of the war crimes. so you can imagine the position that he was in. perhaps he didn't handle that as diplomatically as he can. but the bottom line with europe is europe is coming to the defense and is very angry at the us. it doesn't know how to handle donald trump. obviously, the flattery of macron and starmer worked to a certain extent, but not to protect ukraine. and

they're the real concern is that there are things that the us can do militarily that cannot be done by europe. they don't have air defenses, they don't have satellites, they don't have the starlink, which provides the intelligence on what russia is doing and can be turned off with the flip of a switch by elon musk or by the us, donald trump. so although the two were in sync on that, they relied. exactly. the threat. and then the cyber thing is really shocking because right now and i've talked to people in health care systems who are still suffering from the effects of that continuing cyber attack, acknowledged and not acknowledged by russia, but attributed by the us intelligence to russia, by the russian cyber attackers against our health systems, our hospitals. and that continues as a threat. and for that to be switched off by the defense secretary is shocking to people. >> yeah, and i. >> want to get. >> to that with ned in just a

moment. but ashley first sticking on zelensky, you know, watching the oval office meetings between macron and starmer last week and then seeing zelensky, i was struck by, you know, the takeaway seems to be that the flattery works with donald trump. and that's the playbook with him. he does like to be flattered, but i think like knowing him for as long as i have. and you tell me what you think. i don't know if it works to the extent that the europeans might need it to work. and i wonder if vladimir zelensky, knowing that, you know, that was the playbook everybody else was playing. i wonder if there was a part of him that understood that that doesn't always work with donald trump, and that wasn't necessarily going to work. if zelensky went in there and was obsequious the way that the other two were, that he needed to project a certain amount of strength. otherwise donald trump was going to walk all over him. am i wrong to read into it that way? >> well. >> a couple of things. i think you're right that the flattery works to a point. so you can look at what happened with macron. and starmer. they were very obsequious. and.

>> to that end. >> their meetings did not end with them getting thrown out of the oval office with angry truth social posts. but in terms of what they actually got, the flattery didn't get them that much more right. it wasn't like. president trump suddenly said, you're right. i'm going to, you know, turn the blame back on russia for invading a sovereign nation with no cause. it just sort of meant that the meeting was smoother. but in terms of the actual deal making, they didn't get that much. you're also right, katy, that donald trump does respect displays of strength. in some instances. he respects people who stand up for him. but i think the wrinkle here that zelensky failed to take into account, or that we saw on full display, is that that works when these people who stand up to trump or defy him, trump believes that they don't need him. so you see that with

elon musk, donald trump is willing to give musk a lot of latitude for now, at least, because he understands at the end of the day, with or without donald trump, elon musk is elon musk is the richest man in the world. he owns all these outside companies. but the challenge for zelensky is zelensky can be tough. zelensky can stand up to him. zelensky can have a sort of display of bravado in the oval office. but one thing is very clear to both trump and zelensky and the world. zelensky desperately needs trump. he desperately needs the united states. and so in that manner, i think what you outlined, which is a very fair understanding of president trump and the dynamics at play, did not work in zelensky's favor, because you can only stand up to someone like donald trump so much when at the end of the day, you need him. >> so that is a really good point. so, ned, if you're going to take that and analyze it a little bit more for us from your perspective on this, as somebody who has worked in in official capacities at the white house, how does europe and zelensky, how do they find a way to show

donald trump that they aren't as reliant on the united states as they currently are? is it possible for them to get there in any sort of time frame that would make, you know, leaving the u.s. behind in these negotiations reasonable or feasible for the europeans and zelensky? >> well, katie, if there's anything good to come of last week's oval office session, i think it could be what we're seeing now. and that is the fact that the locus of activity is, in many ways, moving from washington to europe, whether that's london, paris or brussels. but the europeans really are taking up the diplomatic approach. we've seen president macron, prime minister starmer, both talk about the details of what a the process of diplomacy could look like. and i say that's positive because they seem to understand much more so than this white house. the key question. the key question is not when we achieve an end to

this war, but the key question must be and it should be how? that is to say, how this war ends. does it end in a just peace, or does it end in an unconditional ceasefire? the latter seems to be what president trump was pushing when he said in the oval office, this guy next to me, zelensky, doesn't want a ceasefire. well, in some ways it's quite logical that president zelensky wouldn't want an unconditional ceasefire because that surrender by another name, it would leave russia with 20% of ukrainian territory. it would leave vladimir putin in a position to rest, to refit, to retrain, and ultimately to re-attack, just as he has done against places like moldova, georgia and in fact, ukraine itself. in 2022, when he started this invasion, this full scale invasion of ukraine. so if prime minister starmer, president macron, others in europe are willing and able to take that up, i think that's a good thing. europe has another asset. it also has about $300

billion in frozen russian reserves. it has been, for valid and good reasons, hesitant to use that, at least to seize that outright. but there are really important questions about what to do with that $300 billion, whether to use it as capital and collateral to loan ukraine additional funds for ukraine's defense industrial base. europe does have cards, and it seems like they're they're prepared to play them. >> all right. garrett. andrea. ashley. ned, everybody, thank you very much. joining me now is former u.s. defense secretary and former cia director leon panetta. we should also note donald trump has pulled leon panetta, the secretary's security clearance. thank you for being with us. i want to get your take on this this note in particular, that russia now says u.s. foreign policy is aligned with theirs. >> look, i. >> i think it's pretty clear. that that mr. trump has. turned

80 years of u.s. >> foreign policy on its. head for. >> 80 years. >> democrat and republican presidents. >> alike exerted. >> strong world leadership. supported our alliances. >> supported democratic. >> values. >> and stood up to tyrants. and trump, to a large extent, has walked away from that historic. >> policy that the united. >> states had. >> but look, i think the bigger problem is this i don't think it's going to work. i mean, what what trump is trying to do in order to convince putin to come to the table is not going to work. if putin senses weakness on the part of the united state. and what russia has been saying over the weekend is that essentially the united states is in russia's pocket. and if that is the case, and if putin feels that way, putin has no reason in

the world to not keep fighting in ukraine. and that is the danger here, that rather than bringing peace, it's going to bring more war. >> it's interesting because it basically is what we were just talking about, but reversing it. donald trump doesn't respect you unless you show strength. unless you have strength, you don't need the united states. you're saying the same is true for vladimir putin, and he sees weakness in donald trump? >> absolutely. i mean, anybody who's tracked putin as the intelligence people have over the years know that putin only responds to strength. he will not respond to weakness. and if he senses that the united states is weak and that it won't stand up to him and it won't take a strong position, he'll walk all over us. that's that's who putin is. he's a tyrant. and i think everybody needs to understand that the only way you deal with

tyrants is through strength. >> help us understand what it means for defense secretary hegseth to stop the offensive. cyber moves. you know, we usually keep a close eye on russia. what does it mean to stop this aspect of it? >> well, again, you know, i think i think the president said that he would support ronald reagan's approach to foreign policy, which is peace through strength. instead, what we're seeing is peace through weakness. that rather than standing up and protecting the united states from what russia is doing, we are now caving in. we're surrendering and allowing russia a free hand with regards to cyber attacks. look, understand this. putin's sole goal. and anybody who's looked at putin over the years knows

this. putin's sole goal is to undermine the united states of america and to undermine our democracy. and right now, the trump administration is playing into his hand. >> one of the moments from the oval office meeting that donald trump got very agitated over was when volodymyr zelenskyy said that we're going to feel it here. we've got an ocean, but eventually we're going to feel it here. how might we feel it here? >> well, look, i, i think that ultimately this can be put back together, that obviously, you know, zelensky needs to show some gratitude. i think he does need to sign the minerals agreement. i think they do have to find a way of coming back together in order to present a front against putin and against what he's trying to do in

ukraine. so eventually they've got to put this back together again, because the alternative is that it will not only inspire putin to continue the war, it will, in fact, leave no other option to europe and to ukraine, but to continue to fight if he wants to be a peacemaker. donald trump has to be tough with both sides. he can't just cave in to one side. he's got to be tough with both sides and he cannot achieve peace at any price. neville chamberlain tried to do that and it led to a world war. >> secretary panetta, thank you very much for joining us, especially on a day like today. we so appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up next, a state of emergency in south carolina as thousands of acres burn and fire crews work around the clock to save property and lives. and later, new tensions between israel and hamas put the cease

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crews spread out across the state of south carolina fighting on the ground. the governor declared a state of emergency after more than 175 wildfires burned throughout the state over the weekend, powered by strong wind gusts and also really dry conditions. remember, this is an area, the myrtle beach area. it is short, about four inches of its typical rainfall, complicating the fire fight that continues into today as residents hope for relief on the horizon. katie. >> emily. emily, thank you very much. and coming up next, the cease fire might break as israel cuts off humanitarian aid to gaza. we'll explain why they're doing it. what hamas and neighbors in the region are saying about it. they're certainly not happy. and later, president trump's economic agenda is in the hands of republican lawmakers with different plans and different priorities. why? some of them are looking to democrats to help out.

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>> tomorrow, president trump addresses both chambers of congress. rachel maddow and team will break down the speech and its impact at home and abroad. the joint address to congress. special coverage tomorrow at eight on msnbc. >> we're going to start with breaking news on capitol hill. >> mounting questions over. >> the future of tiktok. >> in the us. >> reporting from philadelphia. >> to el paso. >> in the palisades, virginia. >> from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. >> israel and hamas are at odds again, endangering the ceasefire. over the weekend, israel halted all humanitarian aid into gaza and warned of further consequences after hamas refused to accept israel's plan to extend the first phase of the ceasefire. hamas argues that violates the agreement that was previously signed sunday. thousands of aid trucks were turned away on the egyptian side of the rafah crossing. egypt,

which helped broker the january ceasefire, condemned israel's decision, saying it is using, quote, starvation as a weapon. joining me now from tel aviv is nbc news correspondent, international correspondent matt bradley and new york times diplomatic correspondent michael crowley. so, matt, give us the fundamentals of what's going on. >> yeah. well, it sounds as though this these negotiations are not going anywhere. there was an effort that was proposed by the trump administration special envoy, steve witkoff, to the middle east to try to extend phase one of this treaty. and instead of moving on to phase two, there have been so far no real negotiations to try to move from phase one to phase two. now, what's the difference between these two phases? well, in phase two, the idea is that it would eventually lead to a more permanent treaty in the gaza strip and ultimately the withdrawal of israeli forces from gaza. it seems as though israel's the administration of prime minister benjamin netanyahu has no appetite to

move in that direction, though hamas has repeatedly asked that there be negotiations toward a phase two. hamas has rejected israel's proposal to extend phase one, which we saw over the last six weeks with, you know, concurrent releases of palestinian prisoners in israeli jails and israeli hostages in the gaza strip every week. so that proposal from the israeli side was rejected by hamas. so now we're at a very critical impasse. and that was the reason why the israelis have decided to threaten gaza and hamas by cutting off aid. now, this has only been about 24 hours since we saw this aid being suspended. but remember that before this treaty happened back in late january, gazans were already very much suffering from famine like conditions and a lot of difficulties due to the deprivation of aid. now it looks like they could be going back to that. and if these negotiations don't work and they don't lead anywhere, they could actually return to full on war. katie. >> what is israel's gamble here?

>> well, katie. >> i think part. >> of the gamble here. >> is that. >> there's a more forgiving. >> environment. >> that. >> they have more freedom. of action. following the election of president donald trump. look, part of the theory of the case on the part. >> of. >> the. biden administration, which we heard repeatedly from senior officials in the way this ceasefire was structured, was you would have this phase that would pause. >> the fighting. >> the phase that that just completed. and then you would try to use the time in that pause to figure out a permanent ceasefire where. >> you could resolve. >> long term issues, get all the hostages out. >> and. >> have all. >> the. >> israeli forces withdraw. and part of the theory of the case by the us was once you get the fighting stopped, it would be very difficult to start it again. it would be difficult. we heard from the israelis to resume offensive operations. at that time, they were under a lot of international pressure and under a certain amount of u.s. pressure, although many people felt not enough. what's happened

now, katie, is you have a president who's come in who i think, although he sometimes talks about the need to get this settled, get a deal, get it done with is clearly much more tolerant of strong israeli military action. doesn't really seem to care that much about the fate of the palestinians. and i think it's probably going to be more tolerant of israel resuming military action. and beyond that, katie, think about the global opinion world pressure on israel. the world is totally distracted right now. the lens is off this crisis. people are talking about trump and zelensky and putin, trump in europe, you name it, greenland, panama. and i just think the israelis have a lot more freedom of action. so the answer is what is the israeli gamble? i would i would hypothesize that what the israelis are thinking now is we can get more. and if we have to go back in militarily, we can get away with it in a way that would have been more difficult a few months ago. >> well, how do qatar. how does qatar factor into it? how does

egypt, how does saudi arabia in this gamble for israel? >> well. >> that's a good point. that is the key countervailing pressure that still exists. those countries are still very focused on gaza. they're not quite as interested in what's going on with russia and europe. and they do want to prevent the war from continuing and extending its in all of their interest to have a measure of stability here. at the same time, katie, those countries like every country in the world right now, they want to stay on the right side of donald trump. so i think that you've seen some gentle pushback. the u.s. has this alternate proposal out. the qataris, i think, have implicitly been criticizing it and saying it's not going to work, but it's all very gentle. no one wants to pick a fight with donald trump right now. so the palestinians do have those countries, i think, advocating for continuing with the original plan. but whether anyone is really going to pick a fight with donald trump over this, i think i'm doubtful. >> and then what about matt? the six hostages that were held by

hamas? a couple of them are coming to washington, including keith and aviva siegel, to meet with officials. what do we know about that? >> yes. and apparently at least one of them, eli sharabi, is going to be meeting with donald trump and might be at his joint session to congress or at his his big speech to congress tomorrow night in the audience. this is what we've been hearing from the hostages and families forum, and it sounds as though the reason for this visit is for these freed hostages to express their thanks to the trump administration for what they say. is the trump administration pushing that deal in late january over the table and finally freeing dozens of hostages over the past six weeks of what i mentioned earlier, that phase one of that deal. so we can expect to see these hostages in washington in the presence of donald trump and maybe at least one of them at that big speech tomorrow night. >> all right. matt bradley, michael crowley, gentlemen, thank you very much. and coming up next, republican majorities on capitol hill face a long road

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press yesterday. >> we need our democrat colleagues to come to the table and be reasonable about that. they want to use government funding as some sort of weapon against president trump and his administration. and that is not the way this is supposed to work. >> last i heard, the republicans control the white house, the house and the senate, and i hope they present us with a budget that works for working people, not just for the billionaires. >> okay, so on top of that funding the government, the gop has also yet to explain how they propose to pay for donald trump's budget deal and $4.5 trillion in tax cuts. as all experts say, the only way to actually do it would be to eat into medicare, medicaid, excuse me, and social security. nbc news chief capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles joins us now. so, ryan, the president is going to address congress tomorrow. republicans are, you know, trying to charge forward with this, these two plans, one to fund the government, the other one to get this budget

deal going, going at some point. what are we what are we going to hear? >> well. >> i would be very surprised. if the president, in any way, shape or. >> form, directly. >> addresses the government funding showdown other. >> than just. >> to say. >> that he supports. >> a clean. >> cr and that they do everything they can to avoid a shutdown, which is something. >> that he's already made note of on his truth social account. >> the bigger question for trump is how. >> senate republicans. >> and house. >> republicans are going to come together. >> to. >> try and finish a. >> budget resolution. >> that they. >> can then pass through. >> reconciliation with only 51 votes, that meets all. >> these agenda. >> items that he has made a priority, including funding his mass deportation program, extending those tax cuts that were first passed in his initial administration, and then finding somewhere in the range of $2 trillion worth of cuts. none of that is easy. and right now, the republican negotiators aren't even talking about. the democrats have yet to come forward with an idea. >> that. >> satisfies both the far right, which wants dramatic draconian

cuts, and the more moderate middle of the republican party, which is looking to trim the size of government, but at the same time not blow a hole in the deficit. now, part of the reason that they aren't really having conversations about this is what you first talked about, katy, and that is this pending deadline for the government to fund to extend funding. and this is. >> something that they cannot do. >> with only republican votes. they have to have democrats at the table. that will require 60 votes in the senate. it will likely require at least some democratic votes in the house, because there is a whole group of house republicans who have said that they're never going to vote for continuing resolution. so how they get democrats to the table, especially in a period of time where there's so much acrimony between the white house, between republicans and democrats in congress, is an open question right now. and i think what a lot of democrats are asking, why would we vote for a budget that continues the current spending levels if donald trump isn't going to spend it? take, for instance, the usaid budget. if you're going to put out what they're describing as a clean,

continuing resolution, that would include funding for usaid. if donald trump is just going to say, we're not spending that money. why would democrats vote yes for that? and i think that's part of the negotiations that are happening behind closed doors. and one of the reasons that we could be barreling toward a government shutdown here in a little more than a week. >> all right, ryan, thank you very much. joining us now is the top democrat on the house budget committee, congressman brendan boyle of pennsylvania. so are you planning on getting on board with a funding deal that the republicans proposed? >> well. >> first, as of this moment, there is no funding deal that republicans have proposed. they have walked away from the table. you know, it reminds me of when i was here eight years ago and donald trump was first elected. we had a republican house, a republican senate, and donald trump in the white house, ■and e ended up having a 37 day government shutdown, the longest in american history. it seems to me that there are a lot of republicans who want exactly the same thing, and want history repeating itself this time

around, except this time it's even worse, because right now, the trump administration, led by elon musk, is illegally shutting down government agencies that we have already previously voted to fund. >> and there's arguments that they're also trying to take, you know, on top of that, the power of the purse away from from congress or as exemplified by that. so is there any funding deal whatsoever that you can get on board with, given the way this administration has acted toward congressional power? >> well, again, just to be clear, if we have a shutdown, republicans control the house, the senate, the white house. if we have a shutdown, it will be because republicans want one. in terms of what i am willing to support, to me, a clean cr, a clean continuing resolution means we get back to the funding deal that was voted on last fall. that means that we actually have a reversal of these illegal actions that the trump administration, led by elon musk, is taking right now. let's be clear. when appropriations bills pass, they're not suggestions. they're

laws. they are violating the law. right now at agency after agency that needs to be corrected before i could ever vote for something. >> so explain that further. so you need to see usaid reestablished. you need to see that money going out there. you need to see action on the executive part, donald trump's part. before you even think about voting on anything the republicans can propose. there's two weeks before a government shutdown. do you expect to get that in two weeks? >> well, that's a question, really for speaker johnson and for president trump. i do know this last week on the house floor on a strictly party line vote, they were able to get every single republican but one to vote for $4 trillion of tax cuts for the richest 1%, funded in part by the largest medicaid cuts in american history. republicans can get the votes when they want it. >> can we talk about that? the $4.5 trillion in tax cuts? the

republicans are being a little wishy washy about how they're going to fund it. they'r n saying that they're necessarily going to get into any of those entitlements. what are you saying? >> well, here's what it actually, the bill, the text actually provides for $880 billion in cuts to medicaid, which again would be the largest in american history. another several hundred dollars billion more in cuts to programs like school lunch and head start and the affordable care act. but that doesn't get them as draconian as that is. that still doesn't get them up to the $4.5 trillion level they need. so what do they do for the rest? they increase the debt limit. they increase our national debt by $4 trillion. it is a deeply irresponsible budget. it only benefits billionaires and the wealthy few, at the expense of the 72 million americans who rely on medicaid. >> and tell me if i'm getting this wrong. don't they need 60 votes in the senate? if they're not going to do that through reconciliation? >> well, so what they did pass

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