domestically. and as we saw from the chips act, we saw more than $60 billion be promised to be invested in plants in arizona. the ceo of this taiwanese based company is pledging to invest in at least two more additional plants, totaling $160 billion. about 60% of chips are manufactured in taiwan. and of course, you heard one of the questions they're being asked of president trump was the considerations about these chips that are manufactured in taiwan. there has been serious questions after what has taken place in ukraine, whether united states would come to the defense of taiwan if china were to invade. that has been an outstanding question for the trump administration. and a big part of that is about the defense of the us semiconductor exports from taiwan. now, this is a notable investment out of this white house here. >> chris von hilliard, thank you. that's going to do it for us this hour. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now.

>> good to be with you i'm katy tur. can the relationship be salvaged? that is the giant question on nearly every diplomat's mind right now. as the western world grapples with the migraine it got after friday's oval office meeting between president trump and zelensky. when j.d. vance appeared to seize the opportunity to wind donald trump up and berate volodymyr zelensky like he was a five year old who didn't show enough appreciation for an ice cream cone. so is it salvageable if you're keir starmer, the prime minister of the uk? your answer is a hopeful yes. same goes for former pentagon and cia head leon panetta, who i spoke with a couple hours ago. the stakes demand a second try. they say, and the opportunities are there. piece for zelensky and praise for trump. still, if we're looking for hopeful signs, we haven't yet seen any. zelensky

left washington over the weekend. trump's allies belittled him on the sunday shows. trump himself just said that zelensky needs to be more appreciative. you heard it just there. vaughn hillyard wrapped it up. nbc news is reporting both that trump is considering halting all ukraine aid, and that pete hegseth at the pentagon has stopped offensive cyber operations against russia. in fact, if any relationship looks good right now, it's the one our allies fear most. trump's and putin's. as the kremlin says, u.s. foreign policy, quote, largely aligns with our vision, meaning russia's vision. joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard, once again, nbc news senior correspondent covering capitol hill and the pentagon, courtney kube and nbc news chief capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. all right. so, vaughn, that that question, can this be salvaged? what are you hearing from the

white house? >> well, this is, i think, a question about the white house's posture moving forward and the extent that it wants to be at the forefront of negotiations of this potential ukraine, russia peace plan, because what we heard from british prime minister keir starmer, who hosted the summit this weekend with french president emmanuel macron and more than a dozen other european leaders, was that they are the ones who are now going to be initiating and drafting a peace proposal with president zelensky that they will then present to the united states, suggesting that it's still imperative that the u.s. be on board. but you see president zelensky turning to the europeans, and there are active conversations in the white house about not only their cut off of negotiations over the weekend with president zelensky, but also the potential of cutting off military and financial aid to ukraine, which by all accounts, you have heard from the un, from the nato secretary general to every european leader. the magnitude of the consequence without

having the us engaged financially and in these talks. but i think it's notable what is taking place in the oval office right now is president trump is been asked very specifically about what it would take to bring president zelensky back to the table, and he said that he wants him to be more appreciative. and when he was asked for a second time just about a minute ago about the comments from the kremlin spokesperson that said that the trump administration has a more globally aligned vision with them than previous administration. president trump again sidestepped this, saying that they need to bring this war to a close. but clearly he has a very different vision of what that looks like and how to go about that compared to the message that is being delivered by european leaders who met directly with president zelensky over the weekend. >> so just a moment ago when, while we were talking, donald trump says he's not talked about suspending military aid to ukraine. that was one of the big questions. there was maybe going

to be a meeting today where he talked about that with his top advisers. courtney, what are you hearing about that at the pentagon? >> yeah, that's right. >> so i mean, right now there is a the big story here at the pentagon is this announcement or this this acknowledgment that secretary of defense pete hegseth. excuse me, katie has has halted or paused all offensive cyber operations and information operations against russia. and as you were just talking about with vaughn, this comes as it appears that that president donald trump is trying to basically normalize relations with russia and certainly with president vladimir putin in russia. so the big question is, is this an effort during these normalizations to sort. >> of. >> hold on any kind of offensive operations? if you think about in a conflict, when you're talking, when you're negotiating, sometimes there will be a cease fire. is that the equivalent of this just in the offensive cyber world? but officials here are not really sure how long this could last.

and whether this could be a permanent or long standing change here. now, it comes as during these negotiations, during these talks, some officials believe that the u.s. should be more aggressive in their offensive cyber operations. now, at this point, this is specific to u.s. cyber command. it does not appear that this is impacting the national security agency. but we don't have a whole lot of details about exactly, exactly when this started or how long it could last. and then again, the big question, how will u.s. allies, historic close u.s. allies, how will they see this decision out of the trump administration? katie. >> we were talking a second ago about vaughn. you were saying how donald trump wants president zelensky to be more thankful. i just want to play all of the times that zelensky has said thank you over the years. let's listen. >> thank you so much, mr. president. of course. thanks.

bipartisan support. thanks, congress. >> and thanks. >> from our just ordinary people to your ordinary people, americans, i really appreciate. >> financial assistance is also critically important. and i would like to thank you. >> thank you. >> very much. thank you for both financial packages. you have already provided us. >> with. >> and the ones you may. >> be willing. >> to decide on. >> i want to thank. >> you. >> all of you. >> i thank every american. >> family, thanks to american people. they all all these days, they are together with us, with ukrainians, with ordinary people, all of us. thank you so much. thank you. your team, congress and thanks journalists that for all your messages to your society and to the world.

first of all, thank you so much for your significant support, you and your administration. we are very thankful for all ukrainians and to your military support, financial support, humanitarian one. i'm grateful. to you, your team, your administration, of course, congress, both parties, both chambers and all americans for their vital and your strong support of ukraine. ukrainian people. >> i should also just mention that jd vance has not been a supporter of ukraine, has not been a supporter of sending any aid to ukraine. he's been very vocal about that. so just keep that in mind when you repeat watch what happened on friday when you consider the consequences. donald trump also has not taken the opportunity to support ukraine the way that pretty much everybody else well, the democrats and some of the more, i guess, moderate, not even moderate republicans, traditional republicans in the

republican party. ryan, you can you can tell me better on that note. i mean, it is surprising to see i know it's been changing and people have been more aligned with donald trump for many years now, but it is still surprising to see how this party has softened toward vladimir putin. he was seen as the number one threat. you know, that's what that's what mitt romney called him, the number one threat when he was running for president. and all the republicans were aligned on that. and now you're even seeing lindsey graham, you know, aligning himself with trump and sounding a little bit more favorable to vladimir putin. it is it's really surprising. >> yeah. i don't think there's any doubt that lindsey graham in particular, the posture that he has changed as it relates to zelensky being the most shocking. i mean, we saw the video that lindsey graham was a part of just a few hours before that oval office meeting where lindsey graham was posing for selfies, smiling and hugging zelensky, promising the support of congress to continue

ukraine's efforts to defend itself against russia. and then he came out on the north lawn after that meeting and just hammered zelensky, and has now gone on to even say multiple times that he thinks it may be time for ukraine to consider a different leader. this is another example of how house and senate republicans continue to fall in line behind donald trump, despite their past positions. when it comes to issues like these, of course, the secretary of state, marco rubio, one of the biggest critics of vladimir putin and one of the biggest supporters of ukraine during his time in the senate. and while, you know, as we've seen with many of these issues, there does appear to be a falling in line amongst congressional republicans. there are a few outliers. there are some republicans who have come out and said that they are nervous, that this relationship has been so fractured, and that there needs to be a way to try and find an opportunity for trump and zelensky to get back together and find a way to continue the support of ukraine and more specifically, being

very clear that vladimir putin is responsible for the prosecution of this war. and so that may not be enough to stop the trajectory that this is headed. but it's not a universal opinion up here on capitol hill that all republicans are falling in line with the way donald trump handled that situation. yeah, but they are few and far between. >> katie. >> yeah, that is a really good point. all right. so we have keir simmons, our chief international correspondent for nbc news who is in russia for us. so keir what is the reaction. been there i was struck by the kremlin saying that us foreign policy is now in line with with russia's. >> yeah. listen, look here's the fundamental issue here, katie. you have a president there, president trump, who has said that he wants a ceasefire. he's promised that during the election. you have a different view here in russia. and that is this, that russia agrees that the kremlin agrees that there should be a ceasefire as long as

as the kremlin describes it, the long standing core issues are addressed and those core issues as far as russia is concerned. and you've heard it from president putin again and again, are the expansion of nato towards russia. now, conversely, with the ukrainians, they agree there should be a ceasefire as long as there is a security deal that ensures that russia does not invade ukraine further. or again, that's just one of the demands from from ukrainians. put quite simply, those three positions are not the same. and the president trump is trying to bring those views together in order to achieve the ceasefire that he wants, and it's not working now. meanwhile, the europeans are stuck in the middle. and you saw the british prime minister today standing in front of parliament, reassuring parliament that he was going to

be able to kind of paper over these cracks, if you like, even as news filtered through that. president zelenskyy has said actually, the war isn't going to be over for a long, long, long time. and president trump furiously responded to that. while the british prime minister was speaking in parliament. what does that all mean? it means there's a really a split in the nato alliance, potentially a split in europe, a very serious one, potentially, that is threatening those alliances. and the russians have just pointing that out, the kremlin spokesman, dmitry peskov, saying today we see that the collective west has begun to partially lose its unity and calling it a fragmentation. and of course, the irony is that a lot of these things are what vladimir putin has said, that he's wanted for a long time. for a long time, putin has called for president zelensky to go. and now you're hearing that echoed by some in

washington. for a long time, he has tried to separate the us from europe. that is apparently happening unless european leaders and some in the trump administration can successfully pull the two sides back together again. here's one another one of the ironies, katie. it's this if the trump administration has appears to be happening now with the news we are getting just in the last hour or so, if the trump administration pulls support for ukraine, that may well persuade the kremlin to double down, to keep going, not to go for a ceasefire, because it may think that it can achieve more of its aims on the on the battlefield, get to a ceasefire or a deal later. >> yeah. i mean, you pull the support, it might be easier to retake some of the areas or to take some not retake take some of the areas that vladimir putin wants. i want to play a little bit more from donald trump a moment ago, because the big question we're asking is, can this relationship be rehabilitated? can they come back to the to the table? can

they sign this minerals deal? listen to donald trump on zelensky just a couple of minutes ago. >> pelosi is, quote, largely in line with their vision. >> well, i'll tell you what. i think it takes two to tango, and you're going to have to make a deal with russia, and you're going to have to make a deal with ukraine. you're going to have to have the senate, and you're going to have to have the consent from the european nations, because i think that's important. and from us, i think everybody has to get into a room, so to speak, and we have to make a deal. and the deal can be made very fast. it should not be that hard a deal to make. it could be made very fast. now, maybe somebody doesn't want to make a deal, and if somebody doesn't want to make a deal, i think that person won't be around very long. that person will not be listened to very long, because i believe that russia wants to make a deal. i believe certainly the people of ukraine want to make a deal. they've suffered more than anybody else. we talk about suffering, they've suffered. but if you think about it, under president bush, they got georgia

right, russia got georgia under president obama. they got a nice big submarine base, a nice big chunk of land where they have their submarines. you know that, right? crimea under president trump, they got nothing. and under president biden, they tried to get the whole thing. they tried to get the whole big, big ukraine, the whole thing. if i didn't get in here, they would have gotten the whole thing. so i can only say, you can go back to bush, you can go back to obama and go back to biden. they took a lot. the only one they didn't get. you know what i gave them? i gave them anti-tank missiles. that's what i gave them. i gave them sanctions on russia, on russia. i gave them javelins. you know, the javelins, you know, when they took out all those tanks, you know, the tanks were heading to kyiv by the hundreds and they

were unstoppable. and i gave them javelins. so, you know, i really putin is the one that will tell you this is not been so good for them. the fact is that i just want fairness, i want fairness, but think of it, i gave russia nothing except grief. i gave them nothing. i gave him sanctions and javelins. that's what i gave them. obama gave them sheets. and you heard that statement before? it's a very famous. trump gave him javelins and obama gave him sheets. and then they say, how close i am to russia. let me tell you, we have to make a deal because there are a lot of people being killed that shouldn't be killed. >> all right. >> so that is true. donald trump did give ukraine javelins, but the relationship between ukraine and donald trump changed a irrevocably, irrevocably hard word to say on television. back when donald trump tried to

pressure zelensky to come up with dirt on joe biden. when it became clear joe biden was running against him for president. just go back through some of that history for us because, yes, he gave ukraine javelins, but that was just i mean, that was before any of the history. it was before he soured pretty completely on ukraine. >> and that response that you just played was in direct questioning of the comment from the kremlin spokesperson, saying that the trump administration's foreign policy aligns with that of vladimir putin. that was his response, essentially a defense of himself and his posture toward russia in ukraine. and we hear him often go back to the javelins, of course, which hit at the heart of the impeachment proceedings when he sought to and did for a period of time, withhold aid to ukraine, when we should note at that time in 2019, of course, there were active conversations between ukraine and russia, concerns about advancements in russian aggression. and you heard that

was actually, you know, i guess, ironically, perhaps at the heart of the back and forth between jd vance and president zelensky in the oval office on friday over president zelensky's assertion that they have tried diplomacy in the past, despite the suggestion of vice president vance going back to 2019, when he and vladimir putin met in the same room with the likes of president macron to sign effectively a cease fire agreement, and that russia, in a short period of time, the violated that. and i think that that is where we are seeing the repercussions of the last six years of foreign policy under donald trump, even when he was out of office. but the way in which they have maligned ukraine's intentions while he was a candidate for the presidency suggested that ukraine was simply in president zelensky, were simply trying to procure american billions of dollars in order to advance their corrupt, corrupt efforts

not to actually win the war. and that is what leads us here, to this moment at a time in which he is at the very same white house announcement here a few moments ago, announcing he's putting 25% tariffs tomorrow on mexico and canada are two key exporters and allies, but also at a time in which he stood next to the major taiwanese based company that makes and manufactures chips, who is announcing a major $100 billion investment in the united states. but i think that an important subtext to all of that is concern about the extent to which the trump administration would defend taiwan against chinese aggression. and you're seeing this major taiwanese based chip manufacturer understand that they need to diversify where they are manufacturing their chips, and that investment is coming here to the united states. while all of this is going on and understanding that the us may not be there to defend ukraine in the future. >> yeah, that's a really good point. vaughn hillyard, thank

you very much. courtney koob, keir simmons and ryan nobles, i appreciate it. and joining us now is investigative journalist and editor at the insider, michael weiss. so i just want to go back to that question. is this relationship salvageable? you heard donald trump there before. von and i were talking about the history of the relationship. he was asked, you know, whether the deal can be done again. and he said that it might be time for zelensky to leave if zelensky doesn't want to get involved in this deal, which he. donald trump thinks is very fair. he might not be around for much longer. vaguely threatening language? fine. but is there a way for the two of them to come back to the table? do you see? do you see any any hopeful signs? >> i actually think. >> that it's. >> the wrong question. >> to ask. >> is the. >> relationship salvageable? >> i think. >> the question is, is the. relationship getting in the way or. advancing donald trump's. >> real agenda. >> which is a strategic realignment of the united states toward russia? >> the writing i. >> think katie is on. >> the wall to. >> most. including those in

europe, who i think. >> are. now biding for time because they. >> they're in a panic. they didn't expect it to happen this quickly, even though in the lead up to. >> the election, when many european. >> leaders and officials thought donald trump was likely to win, they had kind of resigned themselves to. >> this new reality, which i think threatens now to upend. >> 80 years of the postwar order. i mean, you know. >> look. >> at the. >> optics in the last few. >> weeks, donald trump calls volodymyr zelensky a dictator, doesn't have a disobliging word to say about putin. ukraine. >> not. >> russia, is in bad shape, badly of need of free and fair elections, even though these are banned constitutionally by ukraine because the country is in a state of. >> martial. >> law, something that zelensky fervent opponents in ukraine's politics also affirm. >> zelensky at the oval office meeting. >> donald trump said. >> has a, quote, tremendous. >> hatred of putin and. >> this is. >> the main obstacle to peace. well, yeah, he might have a tremendous hatred of a guy who has tried to assassinate him more than a dozen times, occupies 20% of his territory, bombs the other 80% on a nightly

basis, and is torturing and killing and raping men, women and children in the occupied territories. you might say it's a fair surmise that he's going to have a hatred of this guy, donald trump says at the oval office meeting. to quote, we are not aligned with anybody. this is news for kyiv, which has been badly dependent on a rather robust and wholehearted american alignment with ukraine against russia and zelensky. now he is. >> saying only that which. >> the u.s. intelligence community has affirmed as recently as mid-february. he said this war is going to last a very long time. donald trump goes into a blind rage on truth social, saying that this is the wrong thing to say. and you know, you better watch your step, kid, because i can just pull the plug out from under you. i think, you know, we're so kind of wedded to the old established order here that it's hard to see the new political reality for what it is. now, we're mulling. >> lifting sanctions before any negotiations have got underway, much less a cease fire or peace deal. there's already a cancellation of foreign sales of

weapons to ukraine. and now perhaps the consideration of pulling the plug unilaterally on security assistance. i think what's happening is, is quite clear. donald trump is desperate to make nice with russia, bring russia in from the cold, have a grand sort of, you know, celebration with putin. and, as marco rubio said, to engage in all kinds of geopolitical and economic partnerships with russia. and, you know, as you reported just earlier, suddenly we're not interested in cyber operations against russia, which also includes cyber espionage, which is a way for the dod to get a real sense of what of russia's designs are with respect to ukraine and much else. i mean, need i remind people that the largest cyber attack in history in human history was waged by russian military intelligence using a piece of malware called not petya. it cost the united states and other global traders billions of dollars. it affected everything from pennsylvania hospitals, which lost their medical records for a time. i

mean, this is not a country that that you want to turn a blind eye to or lower your guard on. and yet, donald trump seems incredibly interested in doing just that. >> so if we're talking about a new thing entirely here, because it's clear donald trump is not a reliable ally for ukraine or for europe, does europe have the ability to go it alone? the standard answer has been no, at least not yet. not now. but is that how russia sees europe? is that how russia sees an alliance with germany? you know, uk and france or poland standing up to russia, if they're the ones that are going to do this? >> well, you know, ironically enough, i saw a kremlin aligned academic on russian state television just the other day say, you know, we mustn't discount europe. they have quite a big capability militarily and financially, and they can put up a fight if they so choose to. i think that the problem is one of political will, not economic or military wherewithal. i think it's rather interesting to, you know, the incoming chancellor of germany, friedrich mertz, was

the only european leader to say this whole thing in the oval office. this wasn't some kind of misunderstanding or accidental confrontation. this was an orchestrated act of escalation on the part of trump and vance. well, germany has given more in security assistance to ukraine than any other european nation, and it isn't even close. and, you know, the way that mertz is talking, this is a guy probably the foremost atlanticist in german politics. this is priority number one is to decouple from the united states, basically declare our independence and establish strategic autonomy. this is a kind of nice sight and wonder if you can get it. but, you know, keep in mind, germany has had these pivotal, pivotal moments in its postwar history before beginning in the late 40s, all the way up until 1989, when it decided on reunification. so if the will is there for germany to do it, i think it should also be there for other european countries and, you know, the uk popular and political support for ukraine is unanimous. this is the one country i've been going to ukraine since the war started. never a hiccup about british support, british

military capability. that's another matter. but you know europe has the gdp. and another thing that's important to keep in mind here, somewhere. between 40 and 50 odd percent of what ukraine relies on for its defense is being produced in ukraine. their domestic capacity has escalated dramatically. so a lot of this stuff, it's not the way the war was fought in 2022, necessarily. with exclusively artillery, you're relying heavily on drones, including first person view drones, which are being manufactured at scale in ukraine. that requires money and raw materials, not necessarily what the united states needs to provide ukraine. >> all right, michael, thank you very much. i really appreciate all that insight. i'm also just noticing up on your shelf there the book about isis, which i did not realize you wrote. i read that book back in 2015 when i was living overseas. it's a great book, so shout out for that. >> as always. deal in light subject matter. katie. what can i tell you? >> michael weiss. fun at a dinner party. thank you very much. coming up, what economists are warning americans as donald trump revives his tariff threats

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donald trump just committed to slapping 25% tariffs on goods imported from canada and mexico. starts at midnight tonight. and i, i just i wouldn't look down at that little black box right now. it's going to make you unhappy. joining me now is nbc news business correspondent brian chung who. >> yeah. well the. >> stock. >> market's down about 2%. it actually. >> kind of. >> started the day around flat but kind of started. slipping as some. >> of these news. >> started to trickle out. >> not just on the. >> canada. >> mexico tariffs taking. >> effect on. >> midnight, but also because. >> of the announcement. >> from the white house that they. >> were looking at. >> april 2nd as the next kind of road mark for. >> the. >> next round of tariffs, which would be those reciprocal tariffs for every country around the world, effectively coming april 2nd. so stock markets not reacting positively to this news. what is interesting is that we're also starting to see more estimates on how this would impact everyday people. of course, when you do think about mexico and canada, the three of us as countries work together very closely when it comes to building cars, and there are some estimates out there that these tariffs could add as much

as $12,000 per vehicle, depending on what you're buying. so people that are in the market for a new car could feel these impacts. but i want to point out agricultural products are very much a big part of trade between our neighbors to the north and south as well. when you take a look at products like fruits and vegetables from mexico or from canada, things like potatoes, grains, they're actually major fertilizer products that come from canada as well. so all of these things that you see on your screen are things that could get more expensive with the 25% tariff. but of course, we talk about mexico, we talk about canada. don't forget that 10% tariff on china as well. these will be very impactful. >> a lot of money for a new car. but i think the fertilizer, that sort of stuff is going to be such a it's hard to, to, to put a number on what that's going to mean for everyday americans. but when you're talking about like the stuff that goes into the ground and the food that's grown from there, if it's cost more money to put the fertilizer in the ground, it's going to cost more money for pretty much everything that we eat that's grown here. >> potash is the product that canada exports to the united states, which is a major import

for a lot of farmers around this country. so yes, we talk about fruits and vegetables. so if you import, let's say, for example, tomatoes from a certain country that's going to have a 25% increase in the tariffs. but for farmers that are even making things domestically, as you kind of alluded to there, katy, it could get more expensive for them as well. but again, the stock market's not really liking this. and by the way manufacturers not liking this as well. you can imagine that for manufacturers which many times they have to plan their production months ahead in advance, even after the staving off of the first round of tariffs. of these 25%, about a month ago, you had some manufacturers there saying, you know, i might just pare back on my orders anyway because of the anticipation that these tariffs will come later on down the line. so people i've been speaking to have been saying, you know what, i've already seen the marginal increase in prices even before these tariffs take effect. >> about one bag of groceries over the weekend didn't even have any meat in it. just one bag of like vegetables, fruits and a couple of boxed goods for my kids. $100. yeah, one bag, $100. >> it could go up even further from here. >> couldn't believe it. all right, brian chung, thank you very much. still ahead, what got

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mind the fact that no one had died of measles in the united states in a decade. since then, though, the past week cases are continuing to pile up, including in new jersey and now rfk jr. is amending himself ever so slightly. writing in a fox news op ed quote, the situation has escalated rapidly and adding, quote, all parents should consult with their health care providers to understand their options to get the mmr vaccine. joining us now is senior scholar at johns hopkins center for health security, doctor amesh adalja. all right. amesh adalja i'm sorry. measles vaccine. can you say what rfk is refusing to say? >> the measles vaccine is the solution to this outbreak, and rfk jr is kind of going around that he's not really giving a full throated defense. he's giving it a very kind of anemic, kind of perfunctory type of position on it when he should be doing what, for example, trump's first hhs secretary, alex azar,

during the administration was a very full throated, very aggressive defense, saying this is the solution. this is the way out of this. this is why the outbreak occurred. but you're not really seeing seeing that. and i think it's what you would expect. why not? i think it's because he's shown who he is for the last several decades. we know that he's an anti-vaccine activist. we know he is aligned with people who have said that the mmr vaccine causes autism. he wouldn't even disavow that. during his confirmation hearings. he wants to make a statue to andrew wakefield, who was the guy who made that false statement. so this isn't somebody who actually believes in what he's writing there. i think he's written it maybe for political reasons. and that's what you're getting. is that kind of a response? that's what you would expect from someone like. >> so when you hear measles, you think, oh god, it's going to be something like chickenpox. i'll get over it, i'll be fine if i get it. or, you know, most kids will be fine, or if they survive it, then they'll be fine. there's some new literature out there, new studies that show that the measles does something that has longer term ramifications. can you explain? >> so the measles virus doesn't just cause a rash and a runny

nose and red eyes, it actually affects your immune system. it actually deletes some of the memory that you have to other pathogens, other infectious disease. so after you get measles your immune system is kind of crippled, hobbled for some time when it responds to any other type of infectious disease. so this is not something you want. >> so it means like when you're a kid, you're building up a giant immunity, a set of immunities from all the various viruses that you pick up in elementary school, and you and you pick up in daycare and whatnot. and so if you get the measles and you survive it and you're 16 years old and you come out and you come across a pathogen that you would normally be able to overcome pretty easily, are you suddenly struggling? >> yes. your immune system, your immune response is blunted now. it's been sort of taken a step, a couple steps back because of what measles has done. it's deleted. it literally deletes and kills certain cells that would be there to respond to those infections. >> okay. >> so remind us again if you want to get the measles shot, you haven't yet gotten one. who is what is the normal schedule

for measles shots. >> so usually children get measles vaccine between 12 and 15 months and then again around 5 to 7 years of age. you can sort of adjust that a little bit. they're not ironclad, but those are the times when people get vaccine. >> can you just say you have a three year old or a four year old and you want to get them that second shot? you can build that immunity. >> you can call the pediatrician and get it early. they can move it up. it's not really that big of a deal if they get it when they're age four or age five. and certainly if you're living in an outbreak area, it might make sense to have the added protection. and remember, there's a bunch of people that didn't get a second dose because that second dose is added around late 1980s or so. so those people that were born before then who got one dose, which is good but not completely optimal. so if you're going to texas, if you're traveling internationally where there's lots of measles, you may want to get that second dose as well. >> what about a booster? i mean, would i be available? would it be available to me if i wanted a booster and i had those two shots, would it be necessary? would it be helpful? >> it wouldn't be harmful. i don't know if it would actually

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>> elon musk says doge is saving billions, but the numbers don't quite add up. new york times reports that for the second time in a week, musk's group has deleted hundreds more claims from its, quote, wall of receipts, erasing 4 billion in savings they made or they say they made for taxpayers. and on the agency's mission to root out fraud, the washington post finds it hasn't been able to point to much fraud at all. the post's philip bump puts it bluntly the point of this exercise, it's safe to assume, is not cost cutting, but to decimate government so that trump can rebuild it to his liking. to some extent, musk is running a con. joining us now, washington post national columnist philip bump. phil, really good to have you. they're putting up all these numbers and then they're erasing the numbers. and then they're putting up more numbers. sometimes they're they're they're adding something up three times. they're overestimating a contract. they're claiming a contract cancellation saves money when it

doesn't in fact, save any money. is there anything that they've been able to do so far that does save taxpayers money? that is an example of fraud. >> well, yeah, i mean, i think it's. >> important to. >> consider those. >> two. >> questions separately, right. have they done things that. >> might save. >> taxpayers money, assuming we're talking. >> about federal spending as. >> being a tax. >> savings, then yes. >> it seems. >> clear that. >> if you cancel contracts wantonly. >> then you're going to. >> save on money that you would have spent on those contracts. of course, when we talk about cost savings, you know, you and i can save money by not paying our. >> rent or mortgage, right? there's a downside, which. >> is that we lose. our house. so, you know, when we talk about savings, it's very easy to simply not pay bills. the challenge. >> is what are. >> you doing that for? what are you what are you paying for in the first place? and what's the net loss for taxpayers? then on. >> the other. >> side, we have this idea of fraud and waste. so far, what we've seen from musks group is not that they are uncovering fraud and waste in the traditional sense of, you know, like the $6,000 hammer or whatever it was during clinton

administration, where it was obviously the case that you could get something cheaper, but the costs were being ballooned. we're not seeing that. what we're seeing instead is examples of contracts being ended that do not align with the right wing politics of elon musk and donald trump. and so when they're talking about waste and fraud, the only examples that they're pointing to are examples that play to their base of things that their base doesn't like, not actually necessarily waste on the part of the government. >> but this is also what they're pointing to when they're talking about their budget deal, and part of the way that they're going to save taxpayers money and not add to the deficit, give them tax breaks, but not add to the deficit and not cut into, you know, medicare and social security because they're going to save so much money in fraud. could they save so much money in fraud? is there enough fraud in the federal government to be uncovered to get them to that number? >> well, it's important to remember we used to have people who did a diligent job of trying to uncover that fraud. you know, these were the inspectors general. these were the committees in the house that were tasked with actual oversight that actually used to

do oversight over the government. and now we don't have that same sort of rigorous mechanism in place, in part because donald trump fired the inspector general, in part because the oversight committee is run by republicans who are mostly focused on targeting democrats. and so we don't have people who are actually looking for those things. so it's hard to say how much fraud and waste there is. of course, there is some money that is being spent that doesn't need to be spent. like no one can say that you're spending, you know, $8 trillion. and none of that is unwarranted. the challenge is it's akin to the conversation you're just having about rfk. yes, people agree that the government health system isn't necessarily working right, but rfk is coming in and just blowing the whole thing up. it's not as though he has a mechanism for fixing it. that's the same approach that elon musk is taking to government spending. yes, there are certainly examples where spending more than we ought to, but instead of going through a deliberate process to uncover that we're going and blowing everything up. and elon musk is doing so largely because he can then put it on the social media platform and get a lot of retweets and shares. >> i want to put up what we just had on the screen. the numbers

claimed saved and then the numbers that were actually saved. so this ice contract that they said was worth $8 billion, actual worth was 8 million. so from a b to an m, it's a big difference. >> usa contract right? >> yeah usa contract nearly 2 billion. it's actually just 18 million. the social security administration 232 million. actually just 560,000. those are incredibly off numbers. there's a giant disparity between those two numbers. how do they get to 8 billion when it's 8 million? is it just a typo? >> yeah. in that case, it's believed it actually was a typo that there was either they had scanned the information wrong or they were looking in old version of the contract. that was erroneous. that added those three extra zeros to it. so yeah, in some cases that is it. in other cases, as you noted at the top of the segment, you talked about the fact that, you know, they were counting things that had already been paid as savings because, you know, if you if there's a contract for ten years, you've already paid nine years of it, they're saying they ended the contract and

claiming the entire amount that had been spent. you know, it is both sloppiness and overeagerness to try and show a big number that's leading to this, when at the same time, there's no reason to do it this fast, right? like, i think it's really important to come back to that point. like there is a way to do this where you're actually being careful and attentive and not just firing people willy nilly and not just slashing contracts by doing a keyword search in the actual documentation and being deliberate about it. but that's not the approach they're taking. and so no one should have any confidence in any of this, that, that they're actually finding something that meets this, the putative standard that they set because they've not gone through a process that would that would mean that they would be able to do that. >> phil bum, really good to have you. thank you very much. and if you were watching our show on friday and watching just the news on friday and you saw the zelensky meeting in the oval office, you might have needed a very stiff drink on friday night. i have something better for you that will make you feel even better today. if you are still nursing a hangover from that. and this is what happened

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