cuba, whether as a democrat or later as a republican. he was always a guiding light in this fight for freedom in cuba and around the world. i'm so grateful i was able to serve with him for six years, and then continue our work with his brother and me, romano, mario and al mismo tiempo. at the same time. he was exactly who you wanted in your corner, because he was a fierce fighter who put principle over politics. >> that wraps up the hour for me. thank you congresswoman. thank you to all that expressed. such lovely comments. really means the world to all of us. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. christina ruffini picks up with more news right now. >> and right. >> now on msnbc. >> president trump. >> ramps up. >> his. >> trade wars on. >> all fronts. >> ahead of. >> a speech. >> this evening before a joint session of. congress hitting

america's allies and adversaries alike as part. >> of an economic. agenda that could come at a. >> big cost to american consumers. also, the rift between the us and europe over ukraine deepens as the trump administration pauses critical military aid to kyiv, while president zelensky does some damage control, with a new statement out today. and the measles outbreak spreads to more states, putting both local and national health officials on high alert. good afternoon. thanks for joining us. i'm christina ruffini in washington. now, just hours before president trump returns to capitol hill to address a joint session of congress, mr. trump has launched a trade war and taken more steps to disrupt longstanding transatlantic alliances. today marks a new phase for the u.s. economy, as donald trump's sweeping unilateral tariffs officially hit the nation's three largest trading partners. and americans brace for higher prices on everything from cars and smartphones to prime rib and

even maple sirup. >> it's honestly kind of insane. i just both countries profit so much from each other. >> i feel scary. >> and sad. >> it definitely. >> increases the anxiety. that a lot of, you. >> know, average. >> shoppers and americans are feeling on top of, you know, the expenses that we're already having to deal with. >> i wish grocery prices could at least go down a little bit. cost of living is going up, so everything is being impacted that way. it seems like nowadays. >> i was buying a load. >> of lentils from. >> canada and they told me. >> we will honor our prices, but you are responsible to pay the tariff. >> and on that note, the ceos of target and best buy are both warning they'll be forced to hike prices in the coming days. while the trump administration says it's just a transition period until u.s. manufacturing can ramp up. >> with the china tariffs.

>> i am highly confident that the chinese manufacturers will eat. >> the tariffs. prices won't. >> go up. with canada and mexico. you know, i think we're in the middle of a transition. >> it may well be short term price movements, but in the long term it's going to be completely different. hopefully mexico will understand that this is not a trade war, right? this is a drug war. if they can stop the flow of fentanyl and they can prove to the president they can stop the flow of fentanyl, then of course the president can remove these tariffs. >> the president of mexico is firing back this morning insisting there is no justification for trump's tariffs because mexico has already taken steps to fight fentanyl smuggling. she's now vowing retaliatory tariffs on sunday. canada already made its announcement and their prime minister has a message for mr. trump. >> canadians are reasonable and we are polite, but we will not back down from a fight. now, it's not in my habit to agree

with the wall street journal. but donald, they point out that even though you're a very smart guy, this is a very dumb thing to do. >> not mincing words there. china is also pledging to levy new tariffs later this month, targeting u.s. agriculture and singling out several american defense contractors. the u.s. markets have been reacting all morning. now, with the dow down 650 points, that's about 1.5%. we're going to start with nbc news white house correspondent erin gilchrist, cnbc senior economics reporter steve liesman and international trade expert greta. greta was general counsel for the u.s. trade representative and is now a partner at wiley. ryan. erin, i want to start with you. is the decision to push ahead with these tariffs really about fentanyl? because what i'm hearing from both canadian and mexican officials is they're not really sure what exactly the u.s. wants them to do. >> i think. >> you're right about that. we heard the same thing from the canadian prime minister, justin

trudeau, a little while ago. his press conference ended about 15 minutes ago, and he had some very blunt words for the trump administration about what's happening right now. we talk about fentanyl, and we know that from the beginning, when these executive orders around tariffs on on mexico and canada and china were signed. that fentanyl seemed to be the key point that the administration wanted to get across their concern about those illegal drugs coming into the united states from the southern and northern borders in particular. at the same time, we've seen president trump and other members of the administration point to more economic concerns as drivers for these tariffs on mexico and canada in particular. the president posted on his social media site today, canada doesn't allow american banks to do business in canada, but their banks flood the american market. oh, that seems fair to me, doesn't it? rhetorical question there. obviously, we do know that american banks do do business in canada. quite a bit of business in canada, as a matter of fact. but this is what is murky in the waters, if you

will. in terms of what exactly is the issue that president trump wants canada and mexico to address? when the canadian prime minister, christina, was asked what he believes is the reason for these tariffs, he said that he believes that president trump wants to collapse the canadian economy and that he wants to do that in order to make it possible for the u.s. to annex canada. this is a prime minister who is on his way out of office, and i think spoke more bluntly today, christina, than we've heard from many canadian prime ministers in quite some time. the mexican president also spoke today, and she said that she doesn't believe there's any justification for these tariffs on mexico or on canada, for that matter. and she'll talk more this weekend about what the mexicans plan to do in response. >> yeah, trudeau is expected to get trounced in the upcoming election, but after this, his party is actually seeing a surge. all right, steve liesman, i want to go to you now. how much more can american consumers expect to pay in the short term? you know, i went grocery

shopping this last week. i swear i was already noticing a difference, but i don't know if that's just in my brain. like, when are we going to start to see prices really go up? >> well. >> it could be happening. >> already because. >> some companies were. stockpiling stuff and that could have driven. up prices in the stockpiling. real quick, i want to back up what aaron was talking about, because we had secretary lutnick on our air this morning, and he went back and forth between, oh, it's about fentanyl. oh, why are any american cars made in canada? so it was very unclear, listening to the full interview of secretary lutnick, what the reason for these tariffs are. and it's not clear the administration has made that clear to our trading partners. as for prices, it can go anywhere from the full price being passed along, or even more than the full tariff being passed along, because some of these tariffs are going to nest in that products go back and forth over the border several times in the production process. and as far as we can tell right now, there's going to be tariffs added on tariffs. so the effective tariff could be more than the 25%. it could be less

in that some importers could eat some of it. but essentially secretary bessant is wrong in. most economists almost every study i've seen shows the consumer, the importer, pays the price for the tariff, not the exporter. >> all right, greta, you've negotiated the end of trade disputes. where do you go from here? how do you see this ending? is there a way out? >> well, i think that goes to the very point that's already been made that the question is, what is president trump looking for? what are the purpose of these tariffs? and the legal rationale that has been stated is to stem the flow of illegal immigration and fentanyl into this country. but there's a lot of questions about, well, what can canada and mexico do to resolve this issue and have the tariffs reduced or go away? >> i also want to ask you, you know, warren buffett compared the tariffs to an act of war. i mean, i spoke to the canadians recently and people in the

mexican government, and they're both very upset about this. is that accurate? do you think this is an act of war? >> well, i don't think we're there. this is not an act of war. i think that there has been discussion. you heard secretary bessant talk about continued negotiations. so i think that it's still a big question. where do we go from here? it is certainly unprecedented both to use this authority and of this magnitude to impose tariffs on trading partners. it felt like a lot in the first trump administration when broad tariffs were put on china. this is on the order of 5 or 6 times the amount of trade that was at issue there. and so how do you how do you de-escalate. how what's the off ramp. what are the asks. these are all questions that still we don't have a lot of answers to. >> and steve, if they can't de-escalate or find that off ramp if one exists, could supply chain disruptions come anywhere near what we saw during the pandemic? >> well, certainly for a time,

supply chains are going to be disrupted. remember that we created this whole north american supply chain. and that's what it's called because both canada, the united states and canada, united states and mexico have established these supply chains based upon treaties, first based on ■naft and then based upon the united states agreement that was negotiated under president trump. and what's odd about this to many people is here. he is going back on an agreement that he established in 2019 and called it one of the best trade agreements that was out there. so right now, what's happening is you have companies that are figuring out where's the best place to make a product. can i bring it back into the united states? will i be able to sell it here profitably? i've heard some estimates that the cost of a car could go up by $10,000 because of this. that will make some tariff, some products not profitable in the united states. which is why, by the way, these tariffs beget additional tariffs in april because now he has to

protect other parts of the north american supply chain. >> yeah. erin, talk to us about the politics of this because as steve just mentioned, you know, the usmca, which is what came after nafta was negotiated by the first trump administration. so not only is he kind of going back on his policy there, but he campaigned on lowering prices, and he seems to have backed himself into a corner here. how much of tonight's address to congress do you think the president is going to focus on the economy? >> well, i think you'll definitely hear the president talk about the economy and probably more from the perspective of the successes as he sees them at this point. we do know, as you referenced, that there are going to be reciprocal tariffs that are put in place in the early part of april. the president said yesterday that he fully intends to make sure that happens as well. what those tariffs look like in terms of how big they are and which countries have which types of tariffs, are something that is yet to be seen. we know that the administration has been working on that level of detail again, to be rolled out in april, but we should expect to hear the president talk about that in his

speech tonight. he would likely reference the tariffs with mexico and canada and china as well. we've heard him say in the past that if those countries took reciprocal action against the united states, then they could expect to see more action taken by his administration as well. we heard from the treasury secretary, scott bessent, earlier today that the president is likely to talk about, again, some of his successes, the billions of dollars in investment that he's been able to draw in to the united states over the last month or so that he's been in office, we know mostly from companies that are based in asia. the president also likely to talk about the treasury secretary, said some of the work that's been done to improve mortgage rates in this country, also, the work that the administration is looking to do and has already done to some extent on cutting regulation and cutting red tape, all those are things, christina, that the president sees as positive and will likely again try to lift up in his comments today. of course, there will be many other topics, immigration and things of that nature that the president will talk about tonight as well. >> i'm sure we'll have a lot to

say. steve, i do want to ask, you know, the white house is arguing, essentially, this is short term pain for long term economic gain. is there any chance that these tariffs benefit the us economy? >> well, over time, there could be some companies that move production into the united states. but the question becomes at what price right now. secretary mnuchin this morning on our air said, why are any cars made in canada that are sold in united states? and the answer to that is he should know it's capitalism. it was the cheaper place to make certain products or certain parts of the product and sell it in the united states at a better profit, at a better price. well, what's going to happen is everybody is going to pay a higher price for certain game that's out there. your question was studied, in fact, from the 2018 tariffs, where, yes, there was some benefit to the steel industry from the tariffs that were put in place. however, the steel users, they lost jobs. so

what's happening is there is some short term pain that will happen. and then over time, what's going to happen is the bigger losers will appear. and those all the users of the stuff that's being brought in and for which prices are rising. >> the users are then american consumers. >> right. exactly. >> all right. aaron gilchrist, steve liesman and greta, thank you both. thank you all for joining us. all right. in 90s, the rift between the us and ukraine widens with president trump's decision to pause military aid. the fallout up military aid. the fallout up next, you're ♪ [suspenseful music] trains. [whoosh] ♪ trains that use the power of dell ai and intel. clearing the way, [rumble] [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. when bad allergies attack... ♪♪ trust claritin to keep you in the game. ♪♪ nothing is proven more powerful for continuous non-drowsy allergy relief.

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you. what does halting aid for ukraine mean for the war? and has this aid actually stopped? yeah. >> so there's. >> two components. >> to. >> this. >> at this point, right, christina. >> number one is the main one is this. >> sends a huge signal. the united states has. >> been flowing. >> equipment, weapons aid in. >> i mean, really a. herculean logistical. >> feat to. >> get billions. >> and billions of dollars. into an. >> active war. >> zone in ukraine. >> for the last. >> three years. three years plus, frankly, so. >> that the fact. >> that the united. >> states is. >> now acknowledging. >> a pause, a halt, an end. >> whatever the word. >> ends up being here. >> is very symbolic. >> and it is sending a direct signal. >> to vladimir zelensky in ukraine. >> and to nato allies and european allies. >> now, as far as the practical implication. >> on a day to day. >> basis, the reality is there was this consistent day to day flow of. weapons for years, but there wasn't as much going in right now as there has been under the biden administration.

there still was a little bit of presidential dhority, pda equipment that was going in some refurbished vehicles and things that were continuing to flow. there still was the flow of the usaid. that's the ukraine security assistance initiative, equipment and weapons. those are, christina, are the longer term weapons and systems that the united states has pledged to ukraine over months and frankly, even years. those were still going in, but we weren't seeing the same active level of equipment and weapons going in as we've become accustomed to, accustomed to over the last three years. now, what the us had still been doing, though, is sharing intelligence and training ukrainian troops. that is another thing that we have been asking the question here. what has happened to those two elements? and the reality is we simply aren't getting answers to that at this point. >> all right. courtney kube at the pentagon, thank you so much. ambassador, i want to ask you, do you see this as a negotiating tactic, as white house officials have told me, or is this a realignment of u.s. policy? >> well, it sure.

>> feels like. >> a. >> realignment of policy. i mean, this is the. united states essentially. >> siding more with. >> russia than with ukraine. >> i mean. people's lives are at stake. >> when ukraine. >> doesn't have the interceptors, for example, to be. >> able to take. >> down incoming drones. >> or. >> missiles. >> then people. >> in big. >> cities like. >> odessa or kyiv. >> are going to suffer because. >> those missiles. >> are going to get. >> through and people. >> are going to die. >> so this. has real world implications. >> but again, going back. >> to the deal. >> i mean. >> russia has. >> invaded ukraine. russia is the aggressor. >> ukraine is. >> the victim. so when you. >> think about the. >> equation right. >> now, where does. >> the. >> leverage need to be applied? it should be applied to. >> russia to get russia to the table. >> to do a just. >> and. >> lasting peace deal. >> not pressuring ukraine. >> by allowing more ukrainians. >> to die, to get. >> zelensky to come back here and do some sort of other deal. >> yeah. now we've seen he's trying to it seems like, get back into good graces because he doesn't really have much of a choice. i also want to ask president trump on monday was saying a deal could happen

quickly. we've got some sound i want you to listen to. >> i think everybody has to get into a room, so to speak, and we have to make a deal and the deal can be made very fast. it should not be that hard a deal to make. it could be made very fast. now, maybe somebody doesn't want to make a deal. and if somebody doesn't want to make a deal, i think that person won't be around very long. that person will not be listened to very long, because i believe that russia wants to make a deal. >> if somebody doesn't want to make a deal, that person will not be around too long. that sounds like a not so veiled threat to president zelenskyy. is that how you listen to that? >> that's sure how. >> it seems. and of course, after the meeting at the oval office on. friday where all the pressure was put on president zelensky, again, the pressure is not being put on vladimir putin, who is responsible for the war. it's all being placed on volodymyr zelensky, who is the victim who is trying to defend his country. so this sounds like a series of pressure tactics to get zelensky to come to the table. but for what kind of deal is the question? i mean, zelensky and ukrainians want peace more than anyone. they're the ones dying on the front

lines. but at what cost? and a deal that is a capitulation to russia. nobody in ukraine wants that, that's for sure, right? >> i mean, they said from the beginning, we're going to fight for every inch of territory. that's something we are hearing less and less from zelensky now is the real you know, reality might be taking hold because ukrainians, to your point do want to stop the war. it seems like they might have been willing to give on that edge. but it's hard when you have the u.s. kind of negotiating away what you may be able to hold at the table before you even get to the table with russia. >> what i would say is it's an open question. you know, where the line is drawn and how much territory de facto ukraine is going to be able to preserve. how much of it remains occupied by russia? are the front lines frozen in place today, or do they move? but the point that zelensky was trying to make on friday in the oval office is that putin cannot be trusted, no matter what the contours of the deal may be. he has reneged on every single agreement. and i would say not just with respect to ukraine, but you look at the inf treaty, you look at the conventional forces in europe

treaty. you go on through an entire list. look at the geneva conventions that have been violated. >> the irony with the inf treaty is this is that intermediate missile treaty that was the trump administration that pulled out of that treaty because they said russia was cheating and couldn't be verified. and now you have the same individuals saying they're going to trust what putin is going to say. >> and so zelensky's point really is only that we need to have or ukraine needs to have some sort of security guarantee so that if in the future putin reneges, as he has done on all previous ceasefires going back to 2014, european powers will be able to impose some sort of costs on russia. >> right. i also want to ask you, so last night we have jd vance kind of warn president zelensky not to rely so much on europe. europe has been stepping up. but you know, is that an accurate warning? europe, even if they have the intentions to ramp up, to come to their own defense, do they still have the industrial base to do that? do they have the personnel to do that? you know, they've relied on american military might for 70 plus years if they wanted to at this moment, could europe defend itself? >> well, it's an open question

how much longer ukraine could fight if it were relying solely on european arms provisions? my sense is that they could certainly do so for a number of months. but could they do so through the end of the year? open question. however, if europe were to use the frozen russian assets, it's about $300 billion worth of. >> frozen using that some of the interest. but so far they haven't used the actual principle. >> yeah. if they were to seize the principle and use that to both fund ukraine's defense industrial base and purchase u.s. made weapons, which, of course would benefit our defense industry, then potentially ukraine would have more leverage, more wind at its back and would be able to actually do a deal that is a just and lasting peace. >> all right. we'll have to see. michael carpenter, thank you so much for joining us. thank you. joining us now from moscow is nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. all right. kira, what are you hearing from the kremlin today? i heard from a couple of european ministers who said they think putin is probably, you know, running victory laps

around around the palace there. but what are you hearing officially? >> i don't think. >> putin is running. victory laps, christina. i think that, though, that he thinks he. has the. >> upper hand. >> at this point. >> in terms of his. >> years long. >> ambitions to weaken nato to weaken ukraine, possibly neutralize ukraine, if you want to put it like that. i think the russians, though, believe that. they are still in difficult negotiations. i actually interviewed today the spokesman for the russian foreign ministry, and she painted a picture of russia moving slowly. so, for example, what we know is that there is no new meeting planned at this stage, at least not one that's been declared publicly between the trump administration and representatives of the kremlin. i'm told that that meeting, that

first meeting in riyadh made some progress, particularly on the diplomatic side, in terms of reengaging diplomatically. and of course, since then we've seen further talks in istanbul on that particular point. but it didn't make any specific progress. for example, on the on the ukraine question. one interesting aspect of all of this, of course, is that the pause in aid to ukraine by the us potentially would persuade the kremlin to not come to the negotiating table to keep fighting, because it might think that ukraine will be weaker in the months ahead, that it might gain advantage on the battlefield. so this is a complex picture, and the russians are adept at tactics, in particular in a complex scenario like this. another thing to say about the mood of the russian people, the limited polling that there is suggests that the russians do want to ceasefire. they do want to see

an end to this war, but not on any terms, not if it means capitulation. they say, i mean, it's a longstanding, you know, kind of truism, if you like, about war, that it's easy to start a war, much harder to end it. and i think with what you're seeing with president zelenskyy in ukraine, and i think to less comprehensively reported what we've been seeing with the russians is that that is very much the case. trying to end this conflict in ukraine is actually a challenge, a far greater challenge than the impression that president trump gave during his election campaign. >> all right, keir simmons, thank you so much for that perspective from moscow. and up next, president trump prepares to address millions of americans eager to see him deliver on his promises from the 2024 campaign. promises from the 2024 campaign. you're watching with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater

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speaker ryan and boehner, brendan buck and democratic former congresswoman donna edwards. jeff, i want to start with you. among the invited guests from the white house tonight, we've got the family of a man killed in trump's assassination attempt and the widow of a slain new york police officer. and, of course, elon musk. what do we expect to hear from the president tonight? and do we think highlighting musk's kind of ambiguous role is a smart move at this time? >> well, i'm. >> not going to say whether it's smart or not, but it's certainly in. >> character with. >> how the president. >> has been. >> highlighting elon musk since he came into office. >> he had him in. >> the oval office for an. impromptu q&a with reporters. i was in for that one. >> he had him. >> in the cabinet room for his first cabinet meeting. >> he has. >> been underscoring his support for musk and for musk's work from day one. so using the high profile podium slash stage of the of this address to congress tonight is in character for bringing elon musk and elevating him, really to the level of a

cabinet member, even unofficially, given that the whole cabinet is expected to attend as well. in terms of the other guests, you know, that's it's a sign of support and a sign of the values that a president wants to show or illustrate by the guests that he chooses to come. and in terms of broad content, listen, i think he's going to i think it's going to be at least partially a victory lap of sorts, talking about all the things that he feels he's accomplished over the last six weeks since coming into office and doing a little bit of a pressure campaign on the things that he wants to get done, including tax cuts, both and both domestic and foreign policy priorities. >> and we're also hearing musk is going to meet separately with with house republicans tomorrow night. so we'll have to stand by to stand by for the reading on that. donna. democratic guests will be people they say were hurt by trump policies. senator patty murray is the highest ranking democrat to skip the speech. in a statement, she

says, quote, the state of the union is that the president is spitting in the face of the law and he is letting an unelected billionaire fire cancer researchers and wreck federal agencies like the social security administration. senator elise slotkin is tasked with the really difficult job of doing the democratic response tonight. these responses, no matter which party does them, they're always a little iffy, right? we had the rubio drinking water thing, the bobby jindal like strange walk. the michele bachmann 200 yard stare. if you were in that spot tonight, what should be in the democratic response and how can they do this successfully? successfully? >> well, look. >> i think that you're right. it's always a tough act to follow when the main act. >> is in. >> the. >> united states. >> but i think elissa. >> slotkin, because she won in a very in a state in michigan where trump also won, is probably, you know, as good a messenger, i guess in this environment that democrats can find to talk about economic issues, to highlight the cost of living and the cost of goods and

services, because trump promised in his campaign that he would lower those things. i think with the guests that democrats will have, they will use that largely in their own congressional districts and states to highlight the impact that the work of musk and trump and doge are doing to the american people. and i think that's the most that you can get out of a night like this. but it will, depending on what trump says. president trump says it will offer an opportunity, i think, for democrats to really capitalize on the very deeply unpopular actions of musk and his so-called committee. >> and brendan, despite some of that unpopularity, i think it's safe to say republicans are probably going to be applauding trump's speech tonight. we've seen them fall in line, even contradict themselves over some of this ukraine stuff. but i'm wondering if you think there are any potential pitfalls for republicans in the weeks and

months ahead. do you think they're at all low key nervous about these tariffs and what that could mean for voters in their home districts? >> yeah. >> they certainly have. >> to be. >> you look at the markets the last few days and it feels like the economy is once again teetering. and that's certainly not what you want to be seeing. >> when you go. >> into a state of the union address or a joint session, i should say. >> look, i think. >> we are. >> going to have perhaps one of the most. >> confrontational state of. >> the union. >> speeches we have. >> have ever seen. >> let's think back. to last presidency. >> i mean, donald trump has this is the best position politically donald. >> trump has. >> ever been in. he has. >> overtaken the entire party. while his numbers. >> are. >> not sky high. >> they are relatively good for him. and this is a person who is absolutely feeling himself right now. and i think that if you look back to what he did in his inaugural address, which is typically a political, you know, unifying speech. >> and he. >> just savaged. >> joe biden, who was sitting

right next to him. i have to imagine this is going to be a very political speech, very in-your-face to the democrats. i'm really interested to see what they say. they want to be on their best behavior. they don't want to engage with him. i think he's going to make it very hard for them not to engage with them. and i'm expecting some some interesting back and forths tonight, because we know donald trump doesn't mind taking it straight to people's face. and i think that's what he's going to do to democrats tonight. >> no. and he's also going to have two republicans sitting behind him. right. so he'll he'll feel, as you said, kind of empowered to say what he wants to say. donna, can you take us inside the room? what this evening is like for democrats sitting in the chamber and listening to a president with whom they fundamentally disagree? >> look, i think this is a tough act. i think democrats are going to have to sit on their hands a lot during this speech. i think that they are right not to directly engage trump. i think he is looking for that. he wants it. but mostly this is an opportunity, i think, for democrats in their demeanor to

show to their base and to the american people their disdain and distaste for these trump policies, and then they will use the days following this, i think, to capitalize on that. look, it it's, you know, always a really heady time. but when you've got two republicans sitting in those seats behind donald trump, if donald trump, the president of the congress, the majority in the house and the senate, it's a really tough chamber to be in. but i don't think democrats should really engage him at all tonight. he's looking for that kind of fight. >> and democratic leadership seems to agree with you there. jeff, i want to turn to you again. trump's border czar, tom homan, told reporters at the white house earlier tha mey for immigration tonight, citing funding issues at ice. how do you think that's going to be received? >> well, it depends on which side you're looking at. i think the republican side is very

eager to support president trump on immigration, on on border, on border funding, on virtually everything right now that he wants to do domestically as well as foreign policy, as we've talked about already. and the democrats won't. but it's it comes at a time when he's also cutting all of these programs at other agencies and asking for, in general, for a fiscal policy that would lead towards balancing the budget, which is a goal that he has set. so asking for more money for programs that he really cares about, but also trying to get cuts is maybe kind of a hard sell. but but i guess i would refer back to my initial instinct to your question, christina, which is if he asks for it, the republicans are going to give it to him. and certainly with regard to immigration, that's been one of his key issues, both as a candidate and now as president. and it's a key issue for the congress as well. >> yeah, we even saw that with the budget battle with, you

know, some fiscal conservative republicans having an issue with it. and then all of a sudden they were they got a phone call from on high and they changed their minds. brendan, president trump is not going to go on the road tomorrow after the speech. that's kind of typical for the president after a speech like this. instead, j.d. vance is going to hit the road. what does that tell you about the power dynamics here? >> yeah. it's curious. >> and i know jeff probably remembers back the first trump term, donald trump didn't travel nearly as much as most presidents do. so in some ways, that's normal. i always attributed that to he was pretty unpopular back then, and it might have been hard to get out. but clearly, jd vance has found his role within the administration. they they have lifted him up and made him not only the attack dog, but a salesman for everything that donald trump is doing. and i think it is very notable that they're competent to put him out there in such a high profile spot. >> all right, jeff mason, brendan buck and donna edwards, thank you all so much. and tonight at 6 p.m. eastern, ari melber and jen psaki will preview president trump's joint

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