administration's department of justice. >> the administration doesn't necessarily want to be questioned on any of its policy. >> main justice. new episodes drop every tuesday. >> it is good to be back with you on this second hour of chris jansing reports at this hour. hitting back hard with president trump's tariffs against the country's biggest trading partners now in full effect. mexico, canada and china are fighting back. the powerful rebuke from canadian prime minister justin trudeau calling trump's latest move, quote, dumb. plus, the chair of the national republican congressional committee is telling republican lawmakers to avoid in-person town halls after videos of several of them being berated by attendees went viral. what he's suggesting they do instead, and forced out a top fbi official was just ordered to leave after he promised to dig

in for a battle with the trump administration over its request for the names of fbi agents who worked on january 6th cases. also does a law that protects gun makers from being sued by americans protect against suits coming from mexico to the arguments that are before the supreme court today. our nbc news reporters are following the latest developments. and we begin with nbc's kelly o'donnell at the white house. as president trump's new tariffs trigger an escalating trade war. so, kelly, what's the latest on all this? >> well. >> chris, we're certainly seeing the contrast between how president trump talks about terrorists, which he often calls one of his favorite words a beautiful word, a tool that he believes will bring more revenue into the united states. in sharp contrast to how close u.s. allies like canada are experiencing this, and the concern around the world for how the president is using this, which many experts say is effectively a trade war, a

hostile act toward friendly countries, as well as countries that can be considered adversaries. the prime minister of canada today spoke, and he was withering in his assessment of president trump's decision to do this. and he spoke to the american people as well, saying that they we american citizens would end up paying more because of this. here's a part of what prime minister trudeau had to say. >> they've chosen to launch a trade war that will, first and foremost, harm american families. they've chosen to sabotage their own agenda that was supposed to usher in a new golden age for the united states. and they've chosen to undermine the incredible work we've done together to tackle the scourge that is fentanyl, a drug that must be wiped from the face of the earth. >> often, president trump and

his allies say that the reason for this is either unfair treatment by other countries, or the issue of drugs crossing into the into the united states from either mexico or in this case, canada. and prime minister trudeau is saying that has been so dramatically reduced that it's a tiny less than 1% of drugs coming in. so that's part of it. the president responded on social media, and he criticized the prime minister by again referring to him as governor trudeau and saying that any retaliatory tariffs would mean the u.s. would respond to that as well. so escalating in his language and plans, and certainly a sign that this is something that is roiling relationships with good friends. and what has been a very strong economic partnership in recent years, from the time when president trump, in his first term, signed that trade agreement with canada, the united states and mexico. so

certainly a lot on the line here. and the president is moving forward believing that tariffs will help to reduce the federal debt by bringing more money into the country. there's a lot of dispute about who really pays. today, the ceo of target said prices will be going up, especially on perishable items. and you see that those percentages could certainly be passed on to consumers. president trump says to avoid those companies that work in other countries should simply build their plants here in the united states. chris. kelly o'donnell, thank you. and we have a little bit of breaking news now. kelly mentioned this. we did hear from donald trump in response to the extra tariffs that were put on by canada. he said, please explain to governor trudu of canada that when he puts on a retaliatory tariff on the u.s, our reciprocal tariff will go up by a like amount. well, we just in the last couple of minutes got a response to that from justin trudeau, who said today the united states launched a trade war against

canada, their closest partner and ally, their closest friend. canadians are reasonable, but we will not back down from a fight, not when our country is at stake. so we are in a trade standoff. all right. now to congressional republicans new plan to avoid the kind of town hall confrontations that have been going viral online. nbc's julie sirkin is on capitol hill for us. tell us more about this. >> well, republicans have long been trying to strategize behind closed doors how to stop putting their members in the positions that will lead them to be confronted, even in rural areas, by constituents who are frustrated specifically over these cuts we saw over the last couple of weeks. and this morning, my colleague melanie zanona reported that rich hudson, who is essentially in charge of reelecting republicans next year, he told republicans behind closed doors not to do them anymore. we had some reporting in the last couple of days that perhaps they were being urged to switch to tele

town halls. he just told them to not do them. he's saying, along with other republicans that we spoke to, that these are outside agitators at these town halls, that these aren't people who actually are willing to listen to the members. though i will tell you, i did ask senator roger marshall last night about his town hall over the weekend in a rural part of kansas in which he was confronted by folks who were completely disgruntled by the cuts, especially when it comes to veterans and especially when it comes to the impacts they've seen in the state. take a listen to his response to me. >> people from the big. >> city drove. >> five hours so they could silence us. rural people really are in tough times right now. agriculture is really a tough business right now. >> so we just. had over. >> 85% of people in that county voted for president trump. >> but there are. >> other rural. let me finish. okay. i looked at the car tax. okay. i'm not done. all i have to do is look. >> at the. >> car tags. >> when there's more mercedes benz there than there. >> are pickup trucks.

>> i know they're not from rural america. >> now, meanwhile, speaker johnson has invited elon musk to come to the capitol tomorrow night to address these concerns and hear from members who want to hear what plan he has in terms of notifying members of congress, the kind of cuts he's eyeing before he actually does them. a similar meeting took place last week between senate republicans and trump's chief of staff, siouxsie wiles. >> i just want to make one point to what he had to say, which is that, you know, farming, that agriculture is very difficult right now. just give one example. and that is mexican beer, which will be in affected significantly. the number one import imported beers come from mexico. but as has been pointed out, it might be made with barley that is grown in idaho, montana, or north dakota. it may be mexican beer, but before it gets made into beer, they get barley from us states. mexico doesn't produce enough of its

own barley. american farmers have watched their total exports of malted barley, one of the main ingredients in beer, roughly tripled since 2000. so that's just one example of how this could have an impact on agriculture. as the congressman was addressing, and i know you just spoke with speaker johnson, he happened to be going by. and of course, as you are want to do, you were able to talk to him very briefly. what what is he what is he saying right now? >> yeah. he just whizzed by back from the floor. but a couple of moments ago he was whizzing to the house floor, and i was able to stop him and ask him very quickly what he was hoping to hear from president trump tonight. of course, it's his first time speaking to members of congress, to the american people, since he was elected in his second term, of course, apart from the inauguration. but this really is his moment to tell people to lay out a vision of his plan, to talk about his accomplishments so far. that is what speaker johnson said he's hoping to hear from the president. he actually said that trump has had so many accomplishments already and has such a big vision, not only for

the next year, but for several years of his presidency, that he said he's going to have a long list to go through. we've, of course, reported our colleagues have reported that the president will focus themes on immigration, on everything we've seen, of course, with with regards to ukraine, on how he's hoping to lift the american economy. of course, this day is so immense because the tariffs going into effect, as you pointed out, and members of congress on the republican side of the aisle are disgruntled about those cuts that he's been doing. but johnson saying that he's excited and he's hoping trump has a unifying message tonight. >> we shall see. and i should thank the washington post for those barley statistics. julie sirkin, thank you. let's go to new york now, where the head of the fbi's new york field office was forced to retire. nbc's tom winter has been following this story for us. how did we get here? >> well, chris, in order to. >> figure out how we got here, we have to go back to last week. >> and what happened with the jeffrey epstein document release. >> or the lack thereof? you may remember it was only about ten files. >> that the attorney general of

the united. >> states. >> pam. >> bondi, posted through the justice. >> department on their website. >> then, of course, there was. >> that scene. >> at the white house where you had a. >> number of. >> social media influencers. >> holding up binders. >> the binders said declassified. >> on them. there's no classified. documents that were declassified in the course of releasing it. i had seen most. >> if not all of the. >> documents in court previously. >> i've checked the jeffrey epstein docket. >> and the glenn maxwell docket. >> not that i really needed to. because i remember those trials quite well. >> having covered. >> those. >> proceedings. >> there was no classified information that was supposed to be. presented there. but the ag's explanation of this has been a bit of a winding road over the past couple of days, and people in. law enforcement, frankly, just don't believe the things that she's saying. and she seemed to suggest initially that the documents, the reason why they were so few is that they were being withheld by the fbi field office here in new york. and then last night on sean hannity on fox news, she suggested that the documents were being held at the southern district of new york, and she relied upon a quote source to tell her that all these

documents existed here. that explanation belies any sort of credibility whatsoever, because anybody who has any experience in law enforcement would know that in order to bring a prosecution against jeffrey epstein before he died of suicide, and then by against ghislaine maxwell would need a tremendous amount of documents and that those would absolutely be held at the district for which she was charged. she said she wanted to figure out why the documents were being held in new york. well, that's where the prosecutions were. so nobody is quite believing that. and of course, at this stage, you might say, all right, well, there's a dispute over these documents and how many exactly existed and in the back and forth of it. but, tom, why does this matter when it comes to the head of the fbi's new york field office? because at the moment that there was a discussion that the documents were being held by the fbi here in new york, there are a number of us, former federal law enforcement official types, those of us that report on this fbi field office that immediately thought, oh, this could be an excuse to fire james dennehy, that they might go after him, because, of course,

he did make some remarks about digging in and urging his agents to get back to work, and that he would protect the fbi and defend the fbi, or at least his office, from releasing the names of the agents who might have been involved in the january 6th prosecutions. you remember that battle from several weeks ago and generally sticking up for the fbi? and as a matter of fact, he said in his closing email to the staff yesterday at the new york fbi field office and the agents saying, i will always protect or stand up for this joint. as he put it. so he is somebody who believes in the work of the fbi. he talked about how the fbi follows evidence, no matter where it may lead. it eventually gets to the truth. and so this is somebody who i've known personally. not surprising, knowing that the coverage area that i have, the east coast law enforcement, somebody has always stood up for the ideals of the fbi and somebody who has always stood up for the way that the fbi generally conducts its business. so i think this this firing is

perhaps for other reasons, and there's no doubt it appears, at least from the email, that it was certainly a forced retirement, which is another word for chris firing. >> tom wynter, thank you. now to the supreme court, where justices are considering whether mexico's government can hold u.s. gun makers responsible for violence across the border. nbc's ken dilanian is reporting on this. what's the argument here? ken? >> well, as many as 90% of all the guns in mexico come from the united states. and the central issue before the court today is whether a 2005 federal law prevents. it's called the so-called protection of lawful arms and commerce act. that law bars this lawsuit from even being brought. now, a district judge in boston ruled that it did, but an appeals court reversed him because the lawsuit by mexico argues that the gun makers aided and abetted violations of law, which was their burden. now, a lawyer for the mexican government said today before the supreme court that the gun maker is deliberately supplying the illegal mexican market by

selling guns to a small number of dealers that they know sell a large number of crime guns, and then repeatedly sell in bulk to the cartel traffickers. but a lawyer for the gun manufacturers responded that his clients were just selling lawful products. and he said, if mexico is right, then every law enforcement organization in america has missed the largest criminal conspiracy in history operating right under their nose. and budweiser is liable for every accident caused by underage drinkers, since it knows that teenagers will buy beer, drive drunk and crash. now, justices from both sides of the ideological spectrum seemed skeptical of the idea that mexico can overcome this law that explicitly bars certain kinds of lawsuits against the gun manufacturers. it's worth noting, though, that even if they lose today, there's a separate case that mexico has mounted suing a group of gun dealers in arizona, accusing them of knowingly allowing straw buyers to purchase weapons for the cartels. so mexico is not done yet. trying to hold the u.s. gun industry accountable

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>> president trump is hours away from a primetime address before congress. an opportunity for him to convince what polls show is a skeptical public that his efforts to radically reshape the federal government are all for the good. joining us now from waukesha, wisconsin, is nbc's shaquille brewster, who's back there talking to trump voters about how they think the president's been doing. shaq, i know you're in a suburban area of the state. trump defeated harris i think by about 20 points there. what are trump voters telling you? and what do they hope to hear from the president tonight? >> well, chris, among those who voted for him in november, there's still that broad support, even for those who backed him reluctantly back in 2024. that's not to say that there's no concerns or that there's not things that they're watching with some level of caution, but the overwhelming sentiment that you get is that, hey, it's six weeks into his presidency. give it some time to play out. even if there may be some skepticism with the initial action. i want you to listen to some of those conversations that

i've been having here in battleground wisconsin. but this conservative, slightly more conservative, conservative area of the state. >> feeling very good. you know, he's. >> he's doing what he said. >> he was. >> going to do. >> and change. >> is happening. >> very quickly. >> it's hard to pinpoint if i'm fully happy with everything that's going on, because i think it's going to be take some time to see what actually goes through and what what actually is. some of it seemed like a lot more posturing than actual getting things done. >> i feel great. >> and cautious. okay, i think he's doing a great job delivering what he said. we're moving at light speed. but there are some things that that i'm also concerned about too. i'm concerned about the terrorists that just kicked in today and how that's going to affect me. >> and, you know, that's something that i've heard in the conversations that's also reflected in some of the polling that you're seeing out there. while his approval ratings are a little bit stronger than they were at this point in his first term, when you ask people about

specific issues, there is broader support for his actions on on immigration. but there is some skepticism or at least some warning signs there. when you look at tariffs, when you look at inflation, and then also when you look at his actions with the federal government workforce. >> chris shaquille brewster, thank you. always good to have you out there on the road. and joining us now is john meacham rogers distinguished professor at vanderbilt university. and jackie alemany, washington post white house reporter who will be joining msnbc as washington correspondent and co-host of the weekend starting next month. welcome to the team. we're so happy to have you, jackie. chris. all right. let's talk about tonight. john. what are the stakes for trump? he has to justify what i think we could mildly call a shakeup of the federal government. >> i think mildly. >> that's a good adverb. he has. >> consistently not. >> sought to add to his support. >> right. he is been

sufficiently happy. >> to govern with. >> a. base of support. >> that's a hard. >> core base. and then about 15% or so of the country. >> that are. >> republicans who have voted for him, who stand with him, even if they might disagree with a lot of the tone and the tenor. so the question is, most of the time when presidents go to that chamber, they go to declare war and to celebrate peace, to lay out agendas for the country as a whole. and interesting test will be whether president trump has any interest at all in even rhetorically nodding toward moving beyond that 49.9% of the country, which is not 50% of the country. >> yeah, and you're right, of course. i mean, traditionally, a joint speech before congress to the american people is meant to assure them your government is working for you to make your life better. that clearly is his challenge today. we played this

sound earlier, john, but i want to play again a couple of things that were said by members of his administration, including what should be done about the high price of eggs. >> how do we. >> in our backyards. >> we've got chickens. in our backyard. how do. >> we solve for something like this? >> and. >> people are sort of looking around thinking, wow, well, maybe i could get a chicken. >> in. >> my backyard. >> we have taxpayer dollars. we have a fiscal responsibility to use taxpayer dollars to pay people that actually work. that doesn't mean that we forget our veterans by any means. we are going to care for them in the right way, but perhaps they're not fit to have a job at this moment. >> so maybe veterans are not fit to have a job, and if eggs are too expensive, maybe get a chicken. if this is a reflection of the approach of his administration. john, is it possible for tonight's speech to make people feel better about what the polls and i mentioned this are showing already that there's growing concern?

>> no, i don't think so. i think we live in this incredibly polarized time, as we all know, people wake up every morning and too many of us want to judge what unfolds not by the merits of what is said or what is proposed, but by the person or the party that proposed it or suggested it. and so the president has consistently now, in his now his fifth year as president, non-consecutively always insisted that whatever he says at a given moment is the gospel truth. and so what we're going to see, i think, politically, is whether the forces that propelled him to the pinnacle again, and i think without much dispute, we can say that that is inflation. that was prices, a global phenomenon, by

the way. but but politics is politics. you pay a price for it at home. will it will. will that maintain a level of support that enables him to accomplish all the things he wants to accomplish? >> i mean, jackie, arguably the president goes into this having had again, i'm going to put it mildly. having had a rough day, the stock market tanking, it looks like the trade war is escalating in ways that maybe could not even have been anticipated. there's still an issue between him, clearly, and volodymyr zelensky. house minority leader jeffries is calling for democrats to have a strong presence tonight. he said the house as an institution belongs to the american people and as their representatives. we will not be run off the block or bullied. but how does that translate tonight? beyond alyssa slotkin's rebuttal? yeah, chris. well, we know that many of the

guests the democrats have invited to attend with them tonight are former federal workers who. have been fired along with other. >> people. >> disabled veterans, for example. >> who whose. >> services have. >> been cut off from the federal government. >> because of. >> actions by the. >> department of government efficiency. and so you're going to see democrats. >> try to highlight that. but as as some republican. strategists have told the washington post in the past few days, you know, this. >> this is. >> not the moment. >> for democrats. >> to try to. >> steal the spotlight. >> with. >> with any antics. but but rather, you know, have this more quiet. >> presence and approach. >> and. >> to sort. >> of let. >> the. >> the. >> the message. >> come through by simply having the presence of these guests. and, you. >> know, it is. >> going. >> to be a dramatically different backdrop than we're. >> used to seeing over. >> the past few years. donald trump does, at the end of the day, have. >> a trifecta. >> there's going.

>> to be two republicans. >> seated behind him. there's no doubt here. >> that, you know. >> republicans are there. >> this trifecta. >> is running. >> washington, d.c, at. >> the moment. and so i think you're. >> going to see democrats. >> sort. >> of take. >> a lower. >> profile. >> especially as. >> they're sort. >> of. developing a message. coherence here and. >> and kind. >> of. >> figuring out. >> the most effective. >> way to. break through. >> the deluge. >> of. >> of news and, and trump dominated headlines. you know, john, and i know you don't have a crystal ball, although you are often prescient with donald trump. there's the written word right in a speech like this. and then there's the ad libs, the tangents. although, to be fair, i think in in states of the union and addresses to congress, he's gone off script probably a little less than normal. but when i heard justin trudeau address the american people about retaliatory tariffs today, and he said to the american people, your government has chosen to do this to you. my

mind goes back to friday when president zelensky stood up to donald trump and wonder, how might he respond tonight to that? >> yeah. you know, this is against my business model, but deeds matter more than words here. one of the things we've learned in the age of trump, which is what this is and has been since 2016, politics has been defined either by president trump or by the reaction to him. that's an elemental historical fact that we will be writing about and thinking about forever. but the when we try to make arguments as sort of all of us grew up doing right, that fdr could go give a fireside chat and convince the country that supporting an ally abroad was in our interest. that dwight

eisenhower could warn against a military industrial complex that president kennedy could call civil rights a moral issue as old as the scriptures and as clear as the constitution. that era is, to say the least, creaky. and it may not be over, but it is in abeyance. and so what i think we see here is president trump has and if he didn't create it, he deepened it, exacerbated it. his supporters would say perfected it, a kind of political, political entertainment complex. this is a reality show to him in many ways. and so slaying a foe from canada or from ukraine, taking on a rival is kind of what he wants. and it's because that base of support, loves and

thrills to this notion that their hero is defending them against all comers. the question will be, will the ultimately will the deeds match what voters want and what is going to be? there, there are only two more attempts to have a the voters weigh in on president trump. right. the midterm next year. and then whether or not we elect a successor of his choosing. and so this is a no, this is not what people want to hear. but this is basically it's still a 40 month drama unfolding. so i think we should all watch. we should call them as we see them and stand up when we think things are going terribly wrong, but understand that this is not going to be resolved in the next

24 or 36 hours. >> it helps to have an understanding of the sweep of history as well. jon meacham, thank you, as always for coming on the show. jackie, couldn't be happier to have you as part of our family. jackie alemany, soon to be seen on weekends here on msnbc with a regular gig. and be sure to tune in tonight, 6 p.m. eastern. ari melber and jen psaki will preview president trump's joint address to congress at 8 a.m. they'll join rachel maddow and team for coverage of the speech and breaking down its impact at home and abroad. and there is a lot to break down. special coverage begins tonight at 6 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. but still more to come this hour. it's more than the countries taking hits in a trade war. states are getting caught in the crossfire. we'll also check in on the markets and dive into how this could affect your bottom line. you're watching chris jansing reports watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. time to press rewind with... neutrogena rapid wrinkle repair. it has derm-proven retinol...

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about ice coming to knock on your front door to. >> you for president trump's first 100 days? alex wagner travels to the story to talk with people most impacted by the policies. >> were you there on january? >> i was there on january 6th. >> did it surprise you that you were fired, given how resolutely nonpartisan you have been? >> and for more in-depth reporting, follow her podcast trumpland with alex wagner. >> okay, let's check out the dow right now. it's inching up back toward 400 points, down 375 376 a direct reaction to president trump's new tariffs on canada, mexico and china and then retaliatory measures that those countries have either said they're taking now or going to take over the weekend. at one point today, the s&p 500 fell 1.7%, erasing all the gains it had made since trump was elected

in november. president trump's latest tariffs will have a big impact on america's farmers, and minnesota governor tim walz just toured a farm in his state this afternoon, and our own vaughn hillyard caught up with two farmers in iowa. >> i'm nervous. >> about this, especially for our small. >> producers. >> because we. >> know when these things go bad and people have to sell, we get consolidations. hell, i don't know, maybe the trumps are into farming now and they just make way to get. cheap land. >> who the hell knows? >> but i know it's not smart. >> when you say price of corn goes. >> down $0.70. >> for folks that are not in farming, what is. >> that financial impact. >> on your operation? >> devastating. >> i mean, it just is. it's the difference. a lot of times between. >> whether you make any money. >> or whether you don't. >> joining me now, cnbc's mike santoli and nbc's brian chung. brian moody's chief economist, says the tariffs will cost a typical american household at least $1,250 a year. we just

heard from two iowa farmers. i lived for a long time in upstate new york, which is more agricultural than a lot of people know is a tough business to be a family farmer. when will everyday americans start to feel the impact? because listening to the head of target, it was a little scary. >> yeah. well, i mean, look, we've already heard anecdotes of some price setters already raising prices just in anticipation of the tariffs. i remember speaking to an auto body shop owner that said, you know, he'd already seen the price of just those oil filters going up, which could make just a routine oil change get more expensive. but you bring up agriculture when you talk about fruits and vegetables. we bring a lot of those in from mexico. so yeah, 25% more. that means that those importers in the united states are likely going to pass those costs on to customers from canada. people might be thinking, yeah, maple sirup. but also remember that we bring in potatoes. we bring in grains from canada and potash. this is something that not a lot of people talk about, but this is a type of fertilizing agent that a lot of agricultural, you know, producers in the united

states will will use to grow their crops. so even domestic production here in the united states could get impacted by that input rising in costs. so that's the reason why you have the likes of target and best buy, even just this morning chiming in on the impact of these tariffs, saying that yeah, those prices will go up. those are the words that brian cornell, the ceo of target, said. so these are all stores that people know down the road from them. and these are the companies that are saying, chris, that these prices are going to go up. >> yeah, it was interesting. i've been doing a lot of research on this today. consumers may see the same packaging on their berries year round, but what's inside the container is constantly shifting. some months your strawberries are from florida, some months from california, some months they're coming from mexico. just one example there, mike. meantime, what the heck is going on with the markets? >> well. >> chris, the initial response, of course, was for the markets to recoil. and i would date. this back to 24 hours ago, almost. exactly. that's when president trump publicly confirmed that those tariffs, the full tariffs would go on canada and mexico. there clearly was some residual hope in the

market that maybe this would be deferred, or maybe it would be diluted in some way. and from that point, 24. >> hours ago. >> the s&p went down about 3% into this morning's low. now there. has been a bounce. it's been led largely by some of those big tech stocks that wouldn't be as directly impacted by tariffs. and i think the way that investors are mostly absorbing the notion of tariffs and the reality of them now is as another pressure point on economic growth, not so much as a way of it's going to inflame inflation back to where it was a couple of years ago. there's more concern because we've gotten some soft economic numbers. walmart and target kind of warning that the consumer is a little bit hesitant here. and it's automatically getting the market in this mode of feeling as if it might just be one other way that the economy kind of has a pause here or a stutter step. and who knows if the federal reserve will see its way clear to cut rates in terms of responding to any weakness. so that seems to be the main calculation of investors at this point. >> yeah, uncertainty is never good, right? mexico canada and

china brian. number one, two and three in terms of imports and exports for the united states. so i just want to remind people, in case they haven't been with us these whole two hours. first you have justin trudeau saying, americans, your government is doing this. >> dumb move. >> yeah. and then donald trump responds and says, well, if you're going to raise tariffs, we're going to raise them again. and then trudeau comes back and he says, we're not backing down. i mean, can this just keep going back and forth. we're going to go up now. you're going to go up now. you're i mean, how how far can this go? >> yeah. well, i mean, when you look at china, for example, we had 10% that was put in place in february. there was another 10% that was put into effect midnight today. and then you do remember, though, on the campaign trail, president trump was promising at times a 60% tariff. so this is really just the beginning here. but to the question of when does this stop? we don't really have an answer on that. and i think that when it comes to just specifically our neighbors to the north and to the south, those reciprocal

tariffs that happened on april 2nd would be basically overarching to every other country. but we just talk about our neighbors to the north and to the south. i mean, you do think about, for example, the automotive industry. we are so deeply intertwined because of the history of trade agreements that we've had, that you have car parts coming into the united states from mexico. then you might have the assembly of that car happening in canada. then it comes back to a dealership in the united states. so even someone buying an american car in america, that car is going through multiple tariffs as it crosses every border, which is the reason why you have some groups like the economic anderson, the anderson economic group, that's projecting that a car could increase by $12,000 for some certain models as a result of these tariffs, because of the multiple times they get slapped with that number. you do wonder about at what point all three countries go. this is damaging to all three of us. can we sustain these tariffs? but again, as we know, this is a negotiating tactic on fentanyl and other drug related issues. i mean, when does the united states see the numbers on that to say, you know what, we're going to lift these tariffs. it's really more of a political question at that point. >> yeah brian chung mike santoli thank you both so much. and

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