1-800-355-5939 five or visit homeserve. com. tonight, president trump addresses both chambers of congress. rachel maddow and team will break down the speech and its impact at home and abroad. the joint address to congress. special coverage tonight at eight on msnbc. msnbc presents. >> a new. >> podcast hosted by jen psaki. each week, she talks to some of the biggest names in democratic politics, with the biggest ideas for how democrats can win again. the blueprint with jen psaki. listen now. >> good to be with you. i'm katy tur. >> the stock. >> market is tumbling. prices are rising. our closest friendships are fraying as canada canada wonders aloud what the heck is going on? our military alliance is shuttering. europe is rearming. russia is

re-energizing. >> and ukraine. >> is. >> forced to beg. >> our federal government looks more like a game of jenga, with elon musk seeing just how many people he can fire and agencies he can delete before the whole system comes crashing down. and tonight, the elected leader who is overseeing all of it, will tell the american public everything is going to plan. but can president trump convincingly sell all of this as a good thing? maybe. maybe he can. but there are already signs the country is starting to worry. and not just democrats. trump goes into tonight's joint address to congress with a bigger disapproval number than approval. and 54% of americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction, wrong direction. while those numbers aren't all that far off from what president biden experienced, it's not exactly a resounding endorsement of his agenda, nor the overwhelming mandate president trump and his

allies often claim they hold. so let's figure out what he's going to say and how people might experience it. joining us now, nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, nbc news chief capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles and staff writer for the atlantic and nbc news political analyst ashley parker. all right. so, kelly, i'll begin with you. lay the groundwork for this evening. >> well, this is one of the premiere events for any president and for president trump. it's the kind of experience that plays to some of his favorite things about being in office. he'll have a commanding audience of not only the members of congress who will be present in the chamber, but the american people broadly with a televised address. and it is our understanding that he will try to tout early successes, reach back into what he perceives are successes from his first term in office, and talk about, in many ways focused on what's happening on a domestic level. not entirely, but certainly a big focus on that to claim what he perceives is a

mandate from his electoral victory and these initial weeks in office. so were the president can play hype man, salesman, booster of his own administration. expect a lot of that. and certainly we will be watching to see how republicans stand and applaud. and the usual sort of break in the room that often happens when a president's own party stands for more of the points. will there be any areas of commonality where democrats will stand as well? certainly, some democrats will not be attending by choice. and the president, of course, will also have guests, as is tradition, going back to ronald reagan. and those will reflect some of his top priorities and some of his life experiences, and some of what he has accomplished in office, including marc fogel, the american teacher who was released from russia after years in prison there. so it is to certainly to give the president an enormous platform to talk about the things he is trying to

accomplish and to sort of set a course going forward. and so expect it to be a lot of congratulations to his team. and then what will be interesting to see is what he calls on congress to do in terms of immigration, in terms of the economy. and certainly i would expect that he will also make some references to the larger world in which he's operating, where, as you pointed out, canada is distressed and there is not the quick resolution to the war in ukraine that he said he'd be able to get done in 24 hours as a candidate. that's been proving more difficult as we're all watching that. >> i'm wondering, kelly, on the subject of tariffs, whether the stock market is whether there's any reaction from the white house to the stock market. usually that's an indicator of what donald trump wants to do or what he's willing to do. it's his threshold. any reaction? >> one of the interesting things about that is in the first term of donald trump, he referenced the stock market and its climb

very frequently as a measure of the overall economy. and that is not what economists view as a measure of the overall economy. but he would frequently tout that as a sign that what he was doing was working. it is notable that he does not bring it up and has not been talking about it, as there is a strong reaction in the market. i and other reporters here who've had the chance to question him about the impact of tariffs and what it would mean to everyday prices for americans. he is always pushed back on that, saying a little short term pain may happen, but that overall he still believes the tariffs are the way to go. and clearly he's acting on that policy. and at this point, it will be a real test to see how much sort of economic blowback or pain from the markets or from the public can he sustain if that happens. with the tariffs going into effect, and if people begin to see prices not only not coming down, but going up, if that is how it plays out, as many economists say, that it likely

will. >> there is a certain predictability to these nights, ryan, when you're watching that, you're going to see the democrats sit down or stand up or republicans stand up for much of it to applaud donald trump. but there's going to be an interesting couple of moments, and i'm going to be watching for what happens when donald trump talks about ukraine. if he does talks about the war there, talks about russia, because there are some interesting dissenters, not very many, but maybe, you know, 3 or within the republican party who don't feel the same way that he does. and i'm curious if you're going to be watching them as well. what are you expecting? >> i think it will be one of the. >> most interesting dynamics. >> that plays out over the course. >> of this speech. >> you know. >> katie. >> you're right. that there is a relatively small number of house and senate republicans that have come forward to directly rebut. >> the way. >> that donald trump has handled the situation between ukraine and russia. there is a much wider group that, behind the scenes, are very concerned about the path forward here. >> this is an. >> example of some of the more public pronouncements. lisa

murkowski saying that she's sick to her stomach as the administration appears to be walking away from our allies. john curtis, recently. elected as the senator from utah, says that ukraine is an ally in pursuit of free markets. putin, on the other hand, not. interested in those things. and bill cassidy of louisiana also attacking putin, saying that he's not just invading ukraine, he's killing anyone who disagrees with him. and so the president does have some work to do here tonight to come in and explain what the path forward is as it relates to ukraine and russia. will he welcome zelenskyy back in? will there be an opportunity to reach a negotiated settlement that could bring an end to this war? and i think you're right. watching the cues from some of these moderate republicans and these defense hawks, the folks who have been behind ukraine from the very beginning have pushed their party. >> to continue. >> funding ukraine and funding their war effort. how they respond to what the president has to say will be very instructive as to how this debate ends up going forward.

but keep in mind, katie, that this vast majority of republicans still support donald trump, no matter what he does. so that may not matter in terms of the grand scheme of how this goes, at least from congress's perspective. >> ryan, donald trump froze all aid to ukraine. can he do that? i mean, this aid was allocated by congress. can he do that? >> so the administration. >> does have. >> some level of responsibility in terms of the way that this funding is doled out, the time that it is doled out and the fashion that it is doled out. and you'll remember that kind of interesting when you think back on it now, during the biden administration, there were republicans that were frustrated that president biden had not delivered all the aid that had been allocated at that time, had not delivered all of the weapons that had been promised. so there is some level of authority that trump has in terms of the way that this process plays itself out, whether or not the specifics around the funding that has been frozen, the fashion in which he has frozen

those funds, that could be something that still needs to be looked into. but we still don't know the complete scope of exactly what he's held back and how it's been held back. so that may or may not be a direct answer to your question, katie, but it is a complicated issue in terms of the way the funds are appropriated and then what the executive branch's responsibility is to then get those funds to the place that they are supposed to go to. >> all right, ashley, let's talk about these poll numbers. i mentioned them at the top of the show. the wrong direction, right direction and the approval rating. he is at a better approval rating going into tonight than he was during his first term. but the wrong direction. right direction number. not so great for somebody who's coming in and promising to make things better. on day one, he came in. he promised to get prices down on day one. those were his words. prices for everyday goods, eggs, certainly, but other stuff are going up. they have been going up. they're going to go up even more with these tariffs. inflation is going up. how much

do these numbers matter. >> so on. >> some. >> of the things you mentioned, there is a long rich history of blaming your predecessor. democrats and republicans have done that. and that's what we've seen president trump do so far. for instance, egg prices and prices in general. that's potentially something voters will expect six weeks, eight weeks into a new administration. now, come easter, when families can't afford to buy eggs for their kids to die, is that still a plausible explanation? that's the question that remains to be seen. but katie, you and i both know that donald trump is someone who is obsessed with polls. he is obsessed with these sorts of numbers. when they are good. he's happy. and i have been told by people on his team that when they start to fall, he will be looking for someone to blame and it won't be himself. and the last thing you mentioned is promises. this is also something that people in his political orbit and senior people in the white house are

acutely aware of. they had a word document during the campaign and during the transition that were sort of tracking all of his promises. they tracked his day one promises. that's what some of those initial oeos were about. they tracked his other promises, and they have an awareness, even if trump himself may not that when it comes again, we're about two months in. but when it comes to the midterms, when it comes to the future of these republicans who they want to hold the majorities delivering on these promises, ending the war in ukraine, making sure that prices do actually go down, delivering a better life, cost of living vibes even, which is sort of what did president biden in to the american public will matter? and so in some ways, those promises may not be turned to fruition. but politically, there is an understanding that they need to be or there will be political consequences. >> yeah. ashley parker, kelly o'donnell and ryan nobles, thank

you guys. we will be watching tonight. also watching tonight will be russia looking for any signs of what donald trump might do next. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons filed this report for us from moscow. >> president trump's address to congress will happen in the early hours of the morning here in moscow. it's unlikely that kremlin officials or other members of the russian government will stay up to watch, but they will certainly be paying close attention. and reading what president trump has said when they wake up on wednesday morning, they'll be looking for more warm messages from the american president. there is certainly a feeling here in russian government circles that an opportunity has presented itself. they are pleased with the talks that have taken place so far. they are pleased that diplomatic relations are back on track. but at the same time, government officials here in moscow are cautious. they will see the way that president trump dealt with

president zelensky, the way that president zelensky has been effectively forced to come back and asked for new talks with president trump after the aid to ukraine was put on pause. they will recognize that president trump is determined to get a ceasefire in ukraine. at the same time, the russians continuing to say that they are holding out for their maximalist goals when it comes to ukraine, including, of course, the weakening of nato and the neutralization of ukraine. there is a long process ahead. it is notable that there are no more talks planned at this stage between the trump administration and officials from the kremlin and the russian foreign office. now, perhaps they are privately planned. perhaps we don't know about them in public, but certainly the russian officials here in moscow that i have spoken to tell me that it is a slow process. there was a saying in war that it is much more

difficult to end a war than it is to start a war, and that is certainly proving to be the case with president zelenskyy in ukraine. and it will be the case, too, with russia. >> keir simmons, thank you very much. and still ahead, which key trade partner just called donald trump's tariffs quote very dumb. you got to hear this sound. and what just got more expensive for you. plus it was painful to watch. but it was a good thing that the oval office meeting with president zelensky played out in front of the cameras. that is what one of my guests is arguing. he is calling it the ugly truth. don't go anywhere for that. and later, democrats have been fighting a losing battle for airtime since donald trump entered office. what could they do tonight when they are going to have the opportunity to be on camera in front of millions of americans, all at the same time? we are back in the same time? we are back in 90s. experience advanced technology in the buick envision.

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>> we stepped up. we engaged closely and constructively with the president and his administration. we did everything we promised. we stuck to our word, and we did it because we believe in working together to protect our citizens. now, i want to speak directly to one specific american, donald, in the over eight years, you and i have worked together, we've done big things. we signed a historic deal that has created record jobs and growth in both of our countries. we've done big things together on the world stage, as canada and the us have done together for decades, for generations. and now we should be working together to ensure

even greater prosperity for north americans in a very uncertain and challenging world. now, it's not in my habit to agree with the wall street journal. but donald, they point out that even though you're a very smart guy, this is a very dumb thing to do. >> really interesting that he said that. joining us now, nbc news senior business correspondent christine romans and national affairs correspondent for the nation, john nichols. i was surprised that he went so directly and so personally at donald trump. >> well. >> i'll tell you, these. tariffs are. >> very personal to canada. i mean, they. >> really are. and they're big. >> and they have. >> been paused. i think that. they had really tried to assuage. >> donald trump's. >> concerns about fentanyl. they have a border czar. >> now on a drug czar. and they put all this money at. >> the border. >> for the very much fentanyl comes in from canada. >> the 48. >> pounds of. fentanyl that came in. >> last year. yeah. >> and howard. >> lutnick, the commerce secretary, today.

>> also said this. >> is a drug war. the trade war hasn't even started yet. >> this is simply. >> a drug war to keep americans from. >> dying. >> which again, you've got canada saying, wait, wait, we are not a big drug problem here in this country. and in fact, you. >> need us. >> to be your ally against, you know, aggressive trade maneuvers from people like china who really are competitors. >> what does he have against canada? have we figured that out? why he's so hell bent on punishing them? he calls this a punishment. >> and that's what's so perplexing from the canadian side. >> of. >> things, right? because they feel like they've been an ally in so many different ways to the united states and again, the us, mexico and canada, this amazing north american bloc. donald trump wrote the rules for automobile trade for these three countries, just, you know, half a dozen years ago and now is scrapping those and saying, i'm going to punish you over drugs. that's not what these countries sign up for. >> john, talk to me a little bit about what this is going to mean. because when you're talking about an automobile like christine just mentioned, it goes across borders multiple times. so you're adding a 25% tariff multiple times on a

single automobile. >> well, christine just mentioned trade agreements. and, you know, one of the complexities of trade agreements, of course, is that we now have integrated manufacturing, i.e. it moves. >> pieces move from country. >> to country. and so the. >> idea that. >> you can simply. >> you know, kind. >> of shut. >> that down and, and be. in one place or another without recognizing that relationship. is madness. it doesn't it doesn't work in a modern age. and i think this really emphasizes one of the challenges with donald trump is the prime minister was saying he's a smart guy, but he's a smart guy in certain areas of business. i don't think he and a lot of the people around him really understand trade policy. it's not supposed to be mixed up with drug policy. it's not supposed to be mixed up with other policies. it's supposed to be. focused on how you use tariffs very carefully to shore up some aspects of business in your country, to open up markets in

other countries. this is this is very complex stuff that when it's done right, can actually work. tariffs can be to the good. but it doesn't work when you have it so mangled in with so many other issues and with what was just mentioned, seemingly antipathy toward a country that's actually trying to work with you. >> i do want to get into the pro tariff argument here, because the white house is trying is trying to make a pro tariff argument. so if you're going to read this charitably, if you're going to, you know, see the upside in this, what is it? and i've spent. >> weeks trying to really understand what. is the worldview here that is driving these tariffs. because he's right. target of tariffs. targeted tariffs can be successful if very very you know surgical. this is not surgery. what's happening here. this is a machete that's happening. but what they think is if you put these tariffs on you're going to bring in all of this revenue. now that revenue is not coming from foreign countries. it's not it's coming from the importers. so that's one of these things

where they just their premise is, is off from what is conventional wisdom and is what is economic policy. they think that maybe it could spur more factories to come back to the united states, because if it's cheaper to make it here, then importers will buy that product here. but to be honest, it's cheaper to make certain things overseas. it just really is. if you move the manufacturing here, it will be more expensive. and in terms of the drug policy, again, that seems to be a punitive trade war tactic that's not actually meant to grow the economy. i'm not sure how that fits in. i would, i would i would agree with your other guests that that that just doesn't. those things are separate. >> john, when we're talking about farming, there's a lot of agriculture that's going to be affected here too. we can put some of the stuff up on the screen. tomatoes, berries, avocados. not so easy to grow. an avocado in idaho. not a place where avocados are going to thrive. but but people have made points that it would be better for us to grow more of our own food here in this country, rely on our own food chain. if you

are a farmer and you are anticipating these tariffs, how do you do that? how do you sustain your business? >> i think a lot of them are scared, and i think a lot of them are very, very concerned. when tariffs were done some years back, they hit they they hit farmers hard. now the us government stepped in to try and shore them up. and so that made it easier. but i think that that for farmers, one of the great challenges is always uncertainty. it's true in most businesses. and farmers want to have a certainty that if they go into a certain product and frankly, buy a lot of seed or invest in a major way that they're going to be able to produce it over time, what makes certainty is markets, right? if markets are available and you know that you're going to have ongoing relationships, then that works out well. when markets begin to be closed up. and when you're under pressure not to produce certain things, maybe to produce other things, that becomes challenging. you're

absolutely right that the united states should have a sustainable food chain, and that we should produce a lot of our own food. but one of the realities, as you just pointed out, is that some of the food that we actually like a lot comes from other countries. >> yeah. avocados. let me play. vaughn hillyard spoke with a husband and wife farmer in iowa and how they're going to anticipate these tariffs. they do soybeans and corn. let's listen. >> what do you anticipate the market looking. >> like. >> this year? >> sad. >> sad or. >> disastrous. >> you know, we don't feel. >> like some. >> of. >> the federal workers we. don't feel like we've. >> been lied to. >> we knew. >> we were being. >> lied to. >> when every. time he would. >> say. these things. and would talk about tariffs. and you'd think, oh, lord, here we go again, because i don't think terrorists. >> do much. >> i mean, they. >> have a spot. >> i suppose.

>> but not just opposed. >> just like. >> the. >> cuts in government itself right now. it's one thing when something. >> is applied. >> with some kind. >> of plan, but the just across the board say. >> cut off their head. >> i mean. >> it's like you're living in alice in wonderland. >> as i was playing, christine was saying that china is already going to put tariffs on corn, soybeans and chicken. and not to mention the fact that there was this attempt to do tariffs last time around, donald trump was president and the farmers fared so poorly because of it, they had to get a pretty expensive bailout to keep them afloat. farmers in general. john nichols, christine romans, thank you very much. still ahead, it was ugly. but was it necessary in the sense that was it necessary for us all to see it? so we all know where donald trump stands, precisely where he stands. a conversation on the reordering of the world order coming up. also, the attention of millions is up for grabs tonight. what democrats could do

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will break down the speech and its impact at home and abroad. the joint address to congress. special coverage tonight at eight on msnbc. as the trump administration forges ahead during these critical first 100 days. rachel maddow is on five nights a week. >> more than ever. >> this is not. >> a time to. >> pretend this isn't happening. >> the rachel. maddow show weeknights at nine on msnbc. >> donald trump has bee abundantly clear he is out to change. the post-world war two global order. shaken are the predictable and reliable alliances of the past 80 years, replaced by an effort to establish the what you can call a hemispheric zone of interest.

put simply, a revolution, both in the way that we do things overseas and back here at home. joining us now, senior editor for the atlantic, david frum, and professor of government at harvard at harvard university, and senior fellow for democracy at the council on foreign relations, steven levitsky. we're going to have a two track conversation here. one is the overseas changes and the other one is the changes here at home. so, david, i'm going to begin with you watching what we saw on friday, that oval office meeting between president trump and zelensky. you argue that it was a good thing for us to see it, that it finally revealed the truth. explain. >> well, this is how. >> the conversation. abroad does overlap with the conversation. >> at home. >> there's been a lot of effort. >> to look at the two signature policies of donald trump, one of which is forcing. >> ukraine into. >> russia's hands. >> the other of which is global tariffs, and. >> say these ideas. >> sound crazy. >> in fact, they sound stupid. in fact. >> they sound self-harming. but there. >> must be some secret. master

plan behind it that they must. it must not be what it seems. the tariffs. >> are maybe a negotiating. >> ploy, and maybe trump has. >> some secret. >> deal in mind with ukraine. >> that. >> will be good for ukraine and good for democracy in europe, with the meeting. >> in the white house showed. >> was that trump. >> is driven by. intense personal hostility. >> to vladimir. >> zelensky and the ukrainian people. his vice president is even more. >> malignant, and that there is nothing. >> that can satisfy them. they have no plan. >> their only plan. >> is abandon ukraine because they hate. >> zelensky, hate ukraine. >> love russia. >> and resent our european allies. >> what about this argument that we're seeing a revolution and we can talk about the domestic stuff in a second, but the revolution overseas, and the way that the global order has stood for the past eight years, this idea that donald trump is out for a hemispherical hemispheric zone of interest. >> then why. is he alienating. >> all. of america's allies in this hemisphere? >> he wants to dominate it. >> well. >> let me give you a. >> very concrete example.

>> he started, and it's now over. >> a trade war with colombia. >> it's not a country a lot of people think. >> very much about. >> but colombia was. a lot of americans or colombians. obviously do. colombia was entangled in civil war in the 1990s. presidents clinton, w, bush and obama led a process to bring peace, signed a free trade agreement with colombia, and turned colombia into. >> a close ally of the united states. and through all of that. >> period, colombians elected and reelected politicians from the pro-american center right that recently they elected a politician from the anti-american center. and trump just made him a nationalist hero. he strengthened everyone in colombia who doesn't like the united states and weakened everyone who does. he's doing the same thing in mexico. he's destroying pro-american sentiment. >> in mexico. >> and emboldening american nationalism. anti-american nationalism. i'm from canada. i can tell you i've never seen any. canadians are like the. >> most positive. >> about the united states. everyone travels back and forth the same language, at least in english canada. there's now anti-american nationalism rising in canada. this is not a hemispheric plan, and it's not a revolution. if a revolution means you have some idea, it's

just an impulse. >> of. >> destruction, and it's going to be obviously very painful for america's friends in the world. but it's also making america weaker and more isolated and more authoritarian at home. >> is it? could you argue it's a revolution here at home? stephen, you've been studying competitive authoritarianism for decades now, not something that you probably thought could come to the united states, but it looks like it's on our doorstep. would you call it a revolution? >> no, i wouldn't. >> call it a revolution. >> first of all, it's not. >> that radical. >> it is. it's going to be a painful, difficult process in which a lot of. >> people are going to get. >> hurt and our institutions are. >> going. >> to be badly weakened. >> but it's not so radical. >> that i would call. >> it a revolution. >> and also. >> really importantly. >> it's not irreversible. >> this is. >> a decline that. >> can be reversed and that. >> americans really need to work to. reverse the, the, the biggest or one of the biggest. >> problems in the last couple

of months has been how limited. >> our society's reaction to this abuse. >> of power. >> has been. >> but no, i wouldn't call it a revolution. >> but you you do account for the unaccountable and that is elon musk, something that we have not seen before. how does elon musk fold into this? >> well, i've. >> never seen in a. >> democracy a concentration of economic, media and political power and even military power. given his. >> our dependance on. >> his companies. >> for our. >> geopolitical policy. >> but so i've never seen anything like this in terms of concentration. >> of. >> power in a democracy. but no, this is this is one move. >> that's not. >> in the in the authoritarian playbook that i didn't that i think we're still running to catch up to. >> i'm not sure that. >> that trump and musk know. >> that the. >> next i don't know how many plays ahead they're looking. >> but i consider this in.

>> the. >> short term, the greatest threat. >> to democracy and the rule of law. is the role. >> of musk in the government. >> yeah. and the technological aspect of it, which is so hard to figure out. let me ask you about what you mentioned a moment ago, which is that there has been so little concerted pushback. and part of what enables these regimes to exist and to further themselves is the way that they threaten competitors, threaten detractors, threaten big media companies, threaten big donors for other parties, make it so that talented individuals don't want to run for office. we're going to watch tonight. the state of the union is a joint address to congress. democrats have a chance to be in that room, in unison, to do something to show the country where they stand. are you expecting anything from them? >> i don't know, it's. the democrats suffered a. difficult defeat in the last election. >> it was only a few. months ago. democrats are a heterogeneous, sometimes slow moving party. it's going to take

them a little while as an electoral vehicle to sort of get it together. losing parties. often go through a difficult a difficult time. that's that's pretty par for the course. but the united states, the our civil society, the, the actors who can and should be defending democracy extend way. beyond the democratic party. it should it should include churches. it should include universities. it should include business leaders, a whole range. it should include republican politicians, quite frankly, and obviously media figures. and so i we shouldn't look at least not exclusively to the democratic party because this is not just electoral opposition. this is. a defense of the rule of law, of the constitution and of our democracy and all of our the, the good news is the united states has a lot of resources. we have a really strong opposition, much stronger than russia, stronger than venezuela, than hungary, than turkey. we

have much greater raw materials to work with in terms of building and sustaining an opposition to trump. but so far we've underutilized those resources. we everybody is sort of laying low, kind of defending their own turf and worried about what could happen to them and not speaking out. and that, i think, is dangerous. >> david, i'll give that same question to you. >> look, the question of what should the democrats. >> do. >> is obviously an important question for democrats. but there is this dangerous line of conversation we get into, which is the country. it looks like the. >> government is about to. >> shut down. the republicans have majorities. >> in both house and senate. so if they shut. >> it, why don't they just pass a funding bill? and why? why are. they complaining that the democrats won't help them? and the answer is, well, everyone knows the republican caucus includes half a dozen lunatics. who won't vote for anything. so the. country is to be governed. obviously, the. >> democrats have to. >> bail the republicans. >> out. >> and that means accepting that there are this trade. >> war. >> with the world. that means

accepting the senate of ukraine. that means accepting. >> that russia. >> runs our foreign policy and a billionaire runs our domestic policy. but the democrats have. >> to step up and. >> be grownups. and look, the democrats need a plan. but it does change the subject a little bit to say, why don't the people who have. >> a majority. >> in the house of representatives fund. >> the government? >> and why, instead of asking, what is vladimir zelensky going to do so that donald trump doesn't put a pencil in his eye, ask, why is donald trump putting a pencil in the eye of this hero and his valiant nation? >> david frum, steven levitsky, guys, i want to have you back to continue this conversation. i feel like we can only scratch the surface during this particular moment. thank you guys. still ahead, what democrats are planning to do to cut through tonight's joint address to congress and satisfied customers? or buyer's remorse? what swing state voters, the ones who put donald trump in office. think about everything that has happened so far. so much in just the last todd takes prevagen for his brain far. so much in just the last six weeks. and this is his story.

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inauguration, at least. so what should we expect? joining us now, senior politics reporter at vox, christian paz. paz, excuse me. thank you for being here. what are you expecting from the democrats tonight? >> i think we're. >> going to kind of see democrats. >> allowing trump. >> to. >> take center. >> stage in terms of. >> the. >> contrast between themselves. presenting themselves as. >> the. >> party of. >> basically seriousness, working. >> class kind of rebrand that. >> they're trying to go through. >> centering tariffs in their response. afterward. basically allowing the trump chaos. >> and confusion and. >> shock and awe approach of these first. >> few weeks. to contrast with. >> basically what they're. >> trying. >> to present themselves as, is a party of. >> the adults in. >> the room now. >> and i think. that's why it will be interesting. >> to see whether there are any. >> disruptions, see who. >> doesn't show up. >> one thing that i'm watching. >> for specifically will be. >> representative alexandria

ocasio-cortez. >> who has. >> already said that she won't. >> be. >> going. >> but she'll. be hosting. >> an instagram live, reacting to it afterward. >> and basically. posting throughout the. >> throughout the. >> address and calling out some of the more. >> you know, absurd. >> or. >> you know. >> not exactly. >> truthful statements. >> that the president makes. >> it is early days, six weeks into this administration, and the democrats certainly were shell shocked by what happened in november. a lot of soul searching about what exactly the best path is forward. we've talked about how there is a, you know, a tension between two wings of the party and what they should do next. you've done a lot of reporting on this. and what is your assessment of what the democrats are in dire need of? >> i think. >> there's a few things here. >> one of the key problems at the. start of. >> the trump. presidency was that they. >> weren't exactly. >> sure how. >> much of a. defensive institutions and the. >> status quo. >> essentially to make, when that was one of the key.

problems that they faced. >> kind of in the. >> election last year. was that democrats. >> came to represent the. >> establishment. >> even though joe biden was. >> kind of. no longer the candidate. he hung over kamala harris's. campaign in that way that. >> dragged him down. >> dragged down the democrats with a lot of low. >> propensity voters. >> voters who weren't exactly. >> always attuned. >> to politics. that includes. >> voters of color. >> that includes young voters, especially. and what we're seeing now is a pivot toward the other pole of democratic response, which is centering a lot of those kitchen table working class. >> issues that they've been trying. >> to find. >> a. >> new way to rebrand on. and i think that's why the focus. >> on tariffs. >> the focus on price of everyday goods, we hear a lot. about egg prices, both last year and. >> in the last. >> few weeks, and basically talking about. how trump hasn't focused on the things that voters wanted him to focus on andt him to prioritize.

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issue of ukraine and other foreign policy issues. listen to those exchanges. >> i approve of what i'm seeing so far. my support will. continue if i can see progress. the thing that happened the other day in the oval office that i was upset about a lot. i think it was ridiculous of what happened. but i see both sides. >> someone who strongly supports the president. is there anything that you really want to hear tonight? >> yeah. >> i mean, i. love to hear. >> that that the ukraine. >> war is over. >> and that the. >> funding is. completely stopped. that would be music, i think, to. >> everyone's ears. >> and there's one sentiment that keeps coming up among these voters. it's essentially that even if there's things that they disagree with, some people mentioned the layoffs at a federal level, for example, or that gives them some level of concern. they're giving deference to the president because they're saying it's early in his term. it's the

first six weeks. they want to see where things land, even if they don't like how things are looking at this moment. katie. >> shaq brewster, thank you very much. and one more thing before we go. j.d. vance sat down with sean hannity last night, and he said something that is making the rounds today. i'll let you listen. >> the president knows that. >> look, if you want real security guarantees, if you want to actually ensure that vladimir putin does not invade ukraine again, the very best security guarantee is to give americans. economic upside in the future of ukraine. that is a way better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years. the security guarantee, and also the economic guarantee for ukraine, is to rebuild the country and ensure that america has a long term interest. you're not going to do that if you come to the oval office and insult. >> the president. >> and refuse to follow his plan

for peace. >> so the part that's really making the rounds because people are unhappy about it are is the part where he says that's a better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years. there are two countries that have made security guarantees where they're going to put troops in peacekeeping troops, and that's france and the u.k. the u.k. took a lot of offense to this. the prime minister, keir starmer, said that he's extraordinarily proud of his soldiers, the ones, for instance, who served in iraq and afghanistan, which he, by the way, reminds all of, all of the world, served alongside the united states. so he's unhappy. there are a lot of veterans out there that are unhappy, and vice president jd vance is trying to walk it back now, saying that he did not mean either the uk or france, but he did not specify what random nation he was talking about. okay. that's talking about. okay. that's going to do it for me. deadline. with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib,

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