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>> we will see you then. >> thank you nicole. >> and welcome to. >> this msnbc. >> special coverage. >> of tonight's. presidential address. >> i'm ari melber. >> i'm jen. psaki and joining. >> you for the next two hours tracking. >> developments. putting heat on donald trump abroad and at home. we will also hear from senators klobuchar and warren, governor tim walz. >> yeah, and let's take a live look right now. i think we have, of course. >> the. >> u.s. capitol building. this is where the president returns for his first address of. >> this new term. >> and amidst. these global. >> actions. >> he has been talking. >> with major repercussions. president trump freezing all military. >> aid for. >> ukraine overnight. >> a move. >> that helps. >> russia after. >> that tense oval office meeting friday. so the u.s. is yanking about $1 billion in arms and ammo from ukraine, while trump is pressing forward with those new tariffs and what many have described as a looming trade war. these moves are now. >> rattling u.s. markets. and that's. >> one response to trump's new tariffs on america's three largest trading partners will remind you that is mexico, canada and china. two of those

immediately retaliating with their own tariffs, as we showed you here, mexico says it will as well join with countermeasures that are against the united states and the trump administration. but that can raise prices for really many or most american consumers. so this escalation. >> we want to. >> remind you right now has markets slumping. both major stock indexes down two days in a row. and that's wiping out most of the market gains since inauguration. here's another perspective. tonight, rupert murdoch's conservative wall street journal knocking what it calls trump's dumbest tariff plunge yet. so this is the growing concern right now from wall street to. main street in a political era that is right now far from normal. a newly elected president will give a speech with one tradition that actually has not shifted much. you try to show the country that. >> the. >> state of. >> the. >> union is strong under a given administration's policies, but this one comes after an election that was remember, all about

high prices, economic anxiety. we heard all about that during the election. and that makes an uphill battle for the president tonight. as business leaders, financial experts and many, many americans are so seriously concerned about this domestic news, the lurch towards higher tariffs, higher price risks, for sure, and the slumping stocks. >> president trump's tariffs. >> on canada, mexico and. >> china going into effect. >> at midnight. and we're already seeing some economic retaliation. >> the president imposed a 25% tariff on all goods coming into the u.s. from mexico and canada. >> the consumer will likely see price increases over the next couple of days. >> this dodge ram truck. >> $80,000, instantly. >> became $100,000. >> i mean. >> the. >> lack of. >> of any thought. >> about this. david is stunning. >> tariffs are. actually we've had. >> a lot of experience with

them. they're they're an. >> act of war. >> to some degree. >> it's not in my habit to agree with the wall street journal. but donald, they point out that even though you're a very smart guy, this is a very dumb thing to do. >> i think they're going to raise. >> prices. >> their attacks on american consumers. >> i'm concerned about the tariffs that just kicked in today and how that's going to affect me. >> that's what. >> we're hearing all the way across the country. we have some great guests standing by. but as we begin tonight, i'm very curious your thoughts on what's important tonight. >> well, i've. >> been a part of a lot of these state. >> of. >> the union addresses, and we could just sit here and. >> talk all about. >> how people prepare for state. >> of the union. >> addresses and what presidents do and what they're thinking. >> about, and the. >> communications meetings. but there's. >> absolutely nothing normal about this address. >> as you just said, there's. >> nothing normal. >> about the first. >> six weeks of the presidency. >> and the things. >> that i'm watching, for one, are this is typically a way to. >> kind of. >> expand your base of. >> support beyond your core. >> base of support. trump has not done that at all. to date, i

don't expect him necessarily to do that tonight. his inaugural address was far more scorched. >> scorched earth than any speech or. >> speech he gave in his. >> first term. >> we'll see. >> but the. >> other piece is what is the response in the room? and i think that's a really interesting component of this. i think a lot of democrats are waiting to see what fires in the belly of democrats and elected office, but also what republicans will do. are they actually going to just sit there or stand. >> i should say. >> when trump comes out and says, hey, listen, we're going to cut off cyber actions on russia. are they going to applaud when he talks about cutting off military assistance to ukraine? we'll see. but those are a couple of things i'm watching for. >> right. as you said, it's not normal. and it is live action for the country. it's one of the only addresses like this each year. so you're going to get that real time kind of without aides and without testing. what do republicans want to do? i'll tell you one thing i'm watching for, which is straightforward, but sometimes the straightforward answer is part of the answer. sometimes are you better off than you were six

weeks ago? we had a big election. as i mentioned, it was about a lot of things, including the economy and whether you thought donald trump was going to fix it. he certainly talked about it a lot. he certainly savaged the biden administration over it, as you know. and now we're six weeks in. and so you're going to have voters look up and they're going to hear a pitch about how great things are and how well these policies work. but if you are anyone getting on a plane, you feel safer than six weeks ago. if you deal with the government in any way, from plane safety to nuclear safety to food safety, do you think all these cuts have you safer than you were six weeks ago? if you deal in any part of the economy that has market investment and not everyone is trading, a lot of people are just living their lives. but whether that's in your retirement savings or you're at a company where slumps could affect your jobs, do you feel better off than you were six weeks ago with the markets sliding this way? and then, as we just saw in that package, and some of that was from business and fox coverage, we mentioned wall street journal. this is not

some partizan thing. if you are buying products, cars, eggs or anything in between, do they seem like they're cheaper than they were six weeks ago? i mean, jen, these are a lot of the real world questions that are going to line up against the oratory. >> yeah, i mean, the tariffs were just put into place last night at midnight, which means people are fearful as we just saw in that package, but they don't even know the impact yet. the impact isn't even being felt at. the other thing i know we're about to talk to ken martin is that the backdrop of this is also the head of the house republican congressional campaign committee. they basically confirmed today that they're telling members not to hold town hall meetings because they've been going so poorly across the country, and polling has moved downward for trump. so that is what is happening out there in the country as people are watching the speech, regardless of what the response is in the chamber. >> yeah. as you say, you've been through a lot of them. and that's sort of really relevant to where we're going. we have a lot of great guests to hear from. so jen and i are here, but let's bring in, as mentioned, the brand new chair of the democratic national committee, ken martin. welcome.

>> thank you. thanks for having. >> me, ari. thank you. >> dan. >> great. what do you see as the challenge and opportunity for the democratic party tonight? >> well. >> look, if the. >> past is any prelude. >> to what we'll. >> see tonight. >> donald trump will do. >> everything he can do to distract. >> from his. >> terrible record so far. >> which, of. >> course, he promised the american people he was. >> going to focus on making. >> their lives easier. more affordable. he's done nothing. but in the first. >> six weeks, as you said, right. >> whose side is. >> he really on? >> he's not. >> on the side. >> of the american people. >> clearly, his record has. >> been disastrous. and these tariffs. >> that he just put in place, this trade war that he's just initiated throughout the world, is going to make it even more. >> difficult for average, everyday. >> americans to afford their lives. so again, he's broken every single promise he's made to the american people. and for what? to line. the pockets of his fat cat, billionaire friends like elon musk and others who've done nothing, and who could care less about hard working

americans at this time? >> i think you might be old enough. jen and i are old enough to remember when it was a big deal, when one republican yelled out, you lie against any democratic president obama. and the view was the president was giving a normal speech and the response was abnormal, disrespectful, breaching decorum. now, you have a lot of concern and examples. if you look at the friday oval office meeting and other places, that it is the president breaching decorum, but does that mean that you think the democrats should have a certain approach tonight going different than the past, protesting in a more perhaps direct way? >> look, you know, i think it's. important for democrats, whether they're attending tonight or not, is to make sure that. >> right after we get back to the districts. >> we listen to the american people, we understand the pain and the anxiety that most people throughout this country, regardless of party democrats, republicans, independents, americans alike, are.

>> all. >> facing the same challenges. there is deep economic anxiety in this country, and rightfully so. and donald trump, elon musk and jd vance have done nothing to address that. and so i think it's really critical right now. look, donald trump is going to do what he always does in these speeches. he's going to pit americans against one another. he's going to blame people for their economic woes. he's going to turn us on one another. and what we need to do as a party is remind folks throughout this country, whether you voted with us or not, we're still going to be your champion. if you're a hard working american, just hoping to put bread on your table and maybe eke out a better life for your families, the democrats are your champion. and so what's important tonight is not donald trump's speech. what's important tonight for democrats is to come out unified with the focus on making sure americans know that we're on their side and not on the side of the rich, fat cat billionaires who have bought this government. >> ken, one of the things i think people watching are hoping for from the dnc and from democrats out there is always kind of referenced is a little

fire in the belly and a response to what they're going to see tonight. i know you talked when you were running about a war room and about being really aggressive. what can we expect? is there going to be real time fact checking? are you going to have people out there calling out the lies? what are the specifics of what you think we should all be looking at? >> you'll see all. >> the dance, right? you'll see all of that. of course, the real time fact checking. of course, you'll see responses from democratic members of congress, other elected officials, and we're going to be aggressive about it. you know, at the end of the day, as i've said before, when the stakes are as high as they are for the american people, it's incumbent upon democrats right now to stiffen your spine, lift your head and resist the excesses and extremes of this administration. as i said when i was elected, the gloves are off. we're going to throw a punch. what donald trump is doing to the american people right now requires nothing less of the democratic party than to stand up and fight back for the american people again, not just for democrats, but all americans who are working their off right

now and feeling like this president has abandoned them and their families, all to help elon musk make more money. >> ken martin, putting it straight, thanks for joining me in, jen. we appreciate it. we want to turn now to the economic facts. jason furman was chief economist at economic advisor to president obama. he's a harvard professor. the credentials are good. welcome back jason. >> good to be with you. >> all right. we don't want to go into a full economics class, but we do want to know the facts, the prebuttal to what we've seen in some reports will be the president touting why these tariffs tonight, he says, are good for everyone, including regular consumers who may not be in the markets. can you explain in english whether that's true and what these tariffs will do now in the short run? >> look, i've. >> studied economics. >> for 30 years. >> i've been doing economic policy. >> i can do lots and lots of equations. i don't think there's anything.

>> simpler than. >> trying to understand this. we are putting a tax on lots and lots of. things that americans buy. it's going to make them more expensive. >> here's where it gets. >> a tiny bit more complicated. this is also bad for americans jobs because some of the things we're taxing are what you need to make a car, the parts that go into a car. no one is going to want to buy an american car at the prices we can sell it at around the world, when all the parts that go into that car that come from canada and mexico are now more expensive. so the obvious is it's bad for consumers. the slightly less obvious, but equally true. it's bad for american manufacturing workers who aren't going to be competitive in global export markets. >> jason. it's jen psaki i don't know why ari said he didn't want an economic class, i do. i'm sure everybody watching does. but i had a question about i think there's a lot of terms thrown out there that, you know, i'm learning. we're all learning about, including retaliatory tariffs. you've seen the

canadian prime minister, the chrystia freeland, who's running to be the prime minister, be pretty aggressive in what they're saying they will do that they haven't done yet and people haven't felt yet. what are you anticipating there and what will the impact be on people's lives if, say, they put these massive tariffs on teslas, if they put massive tariffs on oranges in florida? what people who are watching out there who are wondering how does this impact me? what should they know? >> yeah. >> so they're paying more for the stuff that's coming from canada and mexico, whether that's a car or a vegetable. and then their job is being threatened because maybe there's a tariff on the thing that they're making. american farmers are going to really suffer. they suffered a lot in the first trump administration. they ended up getting tens of billions of dollars from the government in handouts to help compensate them for that. but, you know, american agriculture, what's its big strength that we sell our

products all over the world right now? we sell a lot of them at very attractive terms. in canada, that's going to be much less true starting almost immediately. >> yeah. and one thing that's interesting is what you're saying about the risk of prices. inflationary pressure is what we're hearing from wall street is what we're hearing from the wall street journal. so there seems to be some factual consensus about this risk. but the administration is being run in a different way. the agriculture secretary turning heads by saying, if you're worried about these high egg prices, maybe the positive is to just go into chicken farming yourself. if you have the time, resources, backyard, i guess. take a look. yeah, it's a choice. take a look. >> i think the silver lining. >> in all of this. >> is how do we. >> in our backyards. >> we've got chickens. >> in our backyard. >> how do we. >> solve for something like this? and. >> people are sort of. >> looking around thinking, wow, well, maybe i could. >> get a chicken. >> in my backyard. >> jason. look.

>> it doesn't make any sense for me and my family to grow our own food, so our own clothing and try to build our own car all by ourselves. it actually doesn't make sense for the united states to even try to do all of that. we're much stronger as a country when we import some things from canada, some things from mexico. and by the way, we sell a lot of things to both of those countries as well. that type of interdependence, division of labor at the family level is really not easy to understand how absurd it is that we make everything in the united states can't make everything either. that's why we import things. that's why we export things. it's great for workers. it's great for consumers, too. >> yeah, well, thank you for walking us through it. this has been factually nutritious and a good baseline going into tonight. jason furman, let me tell folks what's coming up, because republicans have decided they should hide from the public rather than defend some of the must cuts that have proven so unpopular in red districts. we

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least 90 lawsuits have been filed against the trump administration. joining us now is senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. among many other things, she is a member of the senate judiciary committee. senator, it's great to see you and so much we want to ask you about, but i just it's great to see you. i just want to start by asking you about the courts, because we're going to hear all sorts of things from trump tonight. i suspect many of them will not be truthful. and i just wanted to get a sense from you on for people watching, how how is it going with the courts? and what what can people expect is next here in terms of the court's actions? well. >> i've always. said we are going to be fighting this in. >> the courts with. >> our democratic attorney generals. we're going to be fighting it in congress with holding our colleagues responsible. if just by the way, three house members stood up, or four republican senators and three republican house members, the future would look very different. and then we're fighting it with our constituents by our side. >> courts, congress, constituents in the courts.

>> we have won 35 of those cases so far, where there is at least been a pause to these, what i consider unconstitutional illegal actions. and they have been republican appointed judges. trump appointed judges. >> bush appointed judges, reagan. >> appointed judges. >> they're still around. >> and, of. >> course. >> democratic appointed judges. >> so i think the federal judiciary. >> i've always. predicted this from the day of the inauguration on, is. very important here. now, we have yet to see what the supreme court will do in any major way. but some of these cases, like the birthright citizenship. >> you. >> just acknowledged to me, they're. >> pretty clear cut. >> there's always a back. i mean. >> this is not a normal speech. we've been talking about that already. not a normal six weeks of a presidency, either. but there's always a backdrop to these speeches. you know, you've attended a lot of them, always covered a lot of them. i've helped write a lot of them or worked on a lot of them. ukraine. and what happened on friday. and the shock of that, i think is, is kind of the backdrop here. and obviously the

actions that trump has taken since then pulling back military assistance to ukraine, reports of pulling back cyber actions against russia. you've said and you're such a straight shooter. so i want to ask you about this. you've said you think there's still chance for a reset here. why? and what is going to be a sign from you that that's possible in the chamber tonight? >> well, the president has to make it clear that he stands with his allies, which is 50% of our economy. when you look at europe, japan, south korea, and not the 3% of the economy, that is russia. and it is also, of course, about standing up for democracy that has shed blood, buried their own, and stopped a dictator from marching through ukraine into other european nations. that's what zelensky has done. that's what the brave ukrainian patriots have done. so i want to hear an acknowledgment of that. why do i think it's still possible? many of my

republican. >> colleagues. >> while they may not be out there publicly behind the scenes, they have been advocating for this reset. the european allies, whether it's the french president or the british prime minister, have stood up and said, we will give troops to enforce a. peace agreement. we will make sure that unlike the past ones that vladimir putin has run through, like the minsk agreement, that there will be some kind of security guarantees. so i just felt meeting with zelensky before he went to the disastrous meeting at the white house, where he was berated by j.d. vance. i felt that there was hope, and i'm just not going to give up on that hope. whenever you have patriots like you see in ukraine doing the work for democracies around the world. >> hi, senator ari here, that makes a lot of sense how you just put it. when you look at an address like tonight, the president's first since returning to the white house, what are your markers? we've talked about fact checking. sure. but even by what we might call a more electoral or

political marker. he made a lot of claims in the campaign, including bringing down prices and saying he would think about people's economic situation more than he said his opponents did. that's another marker. what are your markers tonight? >> well, ari, when you look at the state of the union, we have corruption up, we have chaos up, and we have costs up. ask anyone in the egg aisle 25% increase in egg, wholesale egg prices, major increases in lumber. major increase in rent, major increase when it comes to so many goods. and now the tariffs on top of it. we are bringing guests to the state of the union. peter welch is bringing a maple sirup producer out of vermont. we've got people that know what these tariffs are going to do economically, including a farmer from minnesota. so i think the marker is going to be does he keep true to his promise that he's going to work on things that matter to the people of

this country, which is bringing down costs? he has not been doing it. he's been doing anything but it and he's been making it worse. rent, the cost of housing, health care, prescription drugs, child care. that's what we need to focus on. and democrats have been ready to work with him. but instead, all he engages in is unconstitutional power grabs and chaos. and that has been setting our country back. and the american people know it and they see it. and the polls are starting to show it big time. >> you mentioned some of the guests democrats are bringing, and while this is not the super bowl for everyone, it might be the super bowl for civics nerds. it is still fair to observe a shared national event that pierces through because like a super bowl, it will be on many people's minds. it will be all over the internet in some form, and it'll be on many channels for people to watch tv. so what is what is the democratic party doing in those guests? how are you using the night to personify

some of these public service veterans, and some of whom have been ousted? >> you know, this is so important because the people in this country who will be so many of the democrats guests in that chamber, they tell the story better than any politician. the park ranger that senator bennett brought and senator warner is bringing from virginia, who have been fired, one of them fighting fires, one of them working in our national parks. the people who have been helped by cancer trials, that senator schumer is bringing, a young girl that saved her life, the trials at nih, these are real people that put a face to this. and yes, it is workers who have been laid off in the most undignified way, but it's also people that are affected by the trump policies that you're starting just to see a small business owner from new hampshire that senator shaheen is bringing, who is affected by these tariffs. we want the faces of america there, because the

power of the president and the power of those electeds in the room, including the republicans, for which we're waiting for three to stand up in the house and four to stand up in the senate. we've been waiting now for a month. their power doesn't come from in that room of electeds on the floor. it comes from who's going to be watching them from above. and most importantly, it comes from the people of america. and that's what our job right now, when i said courts, congress and constituents is to be at the side of our constituents and help them to make the case. >> senator amy klobuchar, it's always great talking to you. thank you so much for joining. >> us, ari. thanks, jen. see you. >> still ahead, we'll look at what america's allies are watching for tonight after trump's latest move kneecapping ukraine in the oval office. you can see the video footage right there. and plus the musk factor. the billionaire trump insider is attending tonight's address. we've seen that as democrats try to bring a dose of town hall to bring a dose of town hall energy to the capital tonight. -honey... -but the gains are pumping!

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ousting a lot of nonpartisan career public servants. there are new reports president trump does plan to try to tout or sell that agenda in his speech tonight. it's a sign of how musk's approach is one of the clear fault lines of the second term, totally different from the first term of donald trump. democrats now using the coveted guest spots to showcase ousted federal workers. senator klobuchar was just telling about telling us about that and our special coverage tonight. the idea is to simply put faces and facts on this amorphous crackdown on what musk and others sometimes call these bureaucrats or, quote unquote, deep state democrats protest the cuts as largely indiscriminate, illogical, often cruel, and sometimes unlawful. the scale of the cuts has drawn some of the strongest pushback in these first six weeks of trump's term. we should note, with a lot of other things obviously going on. this is one that has reverberated around the country without regard to partizanship,

as voters in red districts have flooded some of their republican representatives. town halls. >> my concern. >> right now, and i think i. >> speak for a lot of americans, is we want. >> yes. >> yes, yes. >> when are you going to wrest control as the congress back from. >> the executive and. stop hurting your constituents? >> it hits over. >> it's separation of power. yes. >> do your job. >> do your job. >> do your. job in those programs. >> that. >> house of representatives. >> and the. >> senate are. totally abdicating their responsibility. >> god bless america. >> thank you. thank you. >> our. >> you're not. >> our. not our not. >> msnbc contributing editor michele norris joins us now. and

her latest article, she writes, why should we be paying close attention to the things president trump, quote, won't say? welcome. >> good. good to be here. >> with you. >> good to have you. we have a big night of coverage. you look specifically at the backlash to those cuts. there are many things going on that seems to have found more traction more quickly. >> well. because people. >> understand this. >> you know, people think of. >> the. >> government as this kind of big, amorphous thing, but suddenly you're talking about tinkering with medicare, tinkering with social security, tinkering with the people who work for the u.s. fish and wildlife service. >> you know, wait. >> a minute. that touches me in a very personal way. and so people respond to that differently. >> and so many. >> people have been relieved of their jobs. we shouldn't say that they're layoffs. they have been let. >> go in. >> an ignominious manner, often with less than a half hour to pack up their belongings and get out. and so many people have been let go that now it's several. >> people have. >> a connection in some way to

someone. >> they. >> know who has lost a job or some service that has now been threatened. and so it doesn't feel. >> abstract anymore. >> it feels very real. and you notice that a lot of the people that you saw at the town meetings are older. >> and, you. >> know, we're in this peak 65 period in america, 12,000 people turned 65 every single day. and we are talking about tinkering with social security and medicare. they worked hard all their lives. they made these donations, if you could call them donations. they worked hard and they respected it. >> at the end of the. >> time that that was. >> the creed. >> that was the deal that it would be waiting there for them. it's not an entitlement. it's something that they earned. and now donald trump is talking about reneging on that promise. and you see that people are not happy about that. >> michelle, you've covered so many of these state of the union and joint session speeches, and you've seen both what presidents have done of both parties, what the people in the opposition have done in the audience. we've been all trying to articulate tonight how this feels very different, very different. and

how do you think about that or look at this evening? >> well, you know, tone is almost as important as what they say. also, you think about what they say and what they decide not to talk about. and that's one of the things i looked at. he won't talk about the impact on the workers. he won't talk about the doge cuts and the big mistakes that they made. was it $8 billion in savings. >> or $8 million. >> in savings? it's a big difference. he's probably not going to talk about. >> it was 8 million. >> yes, it was 8 million. so, you know, that's not a rounding error. but there's also the tone. and so you remember, during barack obama's first state of the union, the country was in economic freefall at that point. and so he had to calm nerves. this is a point where the president has introduced a twirling tornado of tumult, and he is probably not going to do anything to calm anybody's nerves because he seems to enjoy the chaos. so the tone will be one of bravado at a moment when so many people are experiencing vertigo and are looking for an explanation, or at least a justification, you know, for what's going on. i think after what happened on friday where people were realizing, wait a minute, we are tying our wagon

to a russian dictator. you know, this doesn't feel like the same kind of state of the union. this feels like we are marching towards something that is clearly unchartered territory. and it's interesting that he chose to chose this date in particular to enact the tariffs, you know, so it's right on the heels of the tariffs going into effect, because it's harder for him to then make this this case that this is good for america because people are doing the calculations and then suddenly, you know, you had someone earlier on the broadcast talking about a ram truck that now is going to cost $20,000 more than it would have cost. that really impacts people. when i was recently traveling and talked to someone who was talking about the price of eggs, someone who owns a company, a diner, and the word egg is in the title. so he's concerned about the price of eggs. he told me that the price of eggs at the end of last year. i'm sorry, third quarter last year were $35 for what he calls a lot. that's 15 dozen eggs right now. they cost $139.

so that's that's real money. and so it's hard for him to make the case that this is good for america. when people, people, you know, they, they, they look at their ledger and simply. >> well, i'm so glad you're mentioning this. as we think about how to watch this speech, how to experience this for those of us who are thinking about on civic terms, because we talk a lot about a fact check, that's where you hear something and then you add facts afterward. and sometimes it works. and we've also seen sometimes it breaks down because what if all the things are false and then you don't have time to literally do it. but what you just referred to is i think what happened in the first term, which is a life check, the president could say he was handling the pandemic really well, but people disagreed because people were living through it. the prices are a life check. the market's crashing or slumping and they could rebound. it's volatile or a life check or a reality check. and so how do you think about that in terms of the environment he's entering? because he has a group of supporters who have

said publicly they don't want to fact check. now, that might sound incriminating to people who care about facts and to most journalists, but that's their position. that's why they told facebook, we don't want you to fact check anymore. and so they might sit around and say, oh, we believe there was a wall built, and if you don't live near the wall, you're not going to go out and have the reality check i mentioned. but boy, you are on prices as you just reminded. >> so reality. >> check and fact check is a little bit different. fact check is something that sounds a little bit crunchy and that's what journalists do. a reality check is what happens when it's friday night and you're sitting at the kitchen table, and you got to make the numbers work. that's a reality check, and that's what people are going to be feeling. it's, i think, a smart move for the democrats to bring all these guests with them because it creates another news cycle, another sort of cycle of news that people will see on this, because a lot of people don't pay attention to the state of the union. let's just be honest about that. they will see cuts of it, they will see little snippets, but they may not watch the whole thing. >> are you not watching? because we're going to watch it. >> oh, we're going to watch. we're going to watch it. so others if they don't feel it.

>> but there. >> are some people who. >> do not and who will basically get, you know, a recap, a. >> version, version, a summary. >> but what by making all of these guests here, not just the guests that are in the president's box, but all these people who are coming from various agencies who are affected by the impact on research, dollars that have been snatched away from various programs. that means that there's another layer of local coverage, you know, all across america. so, you know, the maryland delegation, i think they're bringing six people to virginia delegation. they're bringing three. there's a large number of people. and that is that creates sort of an exponential wave of local stories that people see and they relate. you know, again, people sometimes feel that washington is this distant land over this sort of moat of boiling oil that they may not understand. but when you see a story about someone who shops at the same mall that you shop, they send their kids to the same place you may be, you know, they you run into them at the local market. you recognize the accent that they speak with. you know, they're wearing the football jersey of the team that you root for. also, that hits in a

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>> yes we can. >> this country has gotten bloated and fat and disgusting and incompetently run. >> a little bit of a different vibe there on the last one. joining us now is doug brinkley, presidential historian. doug, it's so great to see you. i think we're all trying to kind of make sense of this moment. of course. talk about it. understand it in advance of the speech. it doesn't feel like there are historical precedents for this moment in the backdrop of what we're looking at right now. but you're the exact person to ask. so are there any historical precedents for this moment? >> well, only in a 180. >> degree thing i've. always had franklin roosevelt's january 6th. >> 1941 for freedom speech. >> because fdr. >> saw fascism rising. >> he was, you. >> know, saw what hitler was doing to the rest of europe. you know, we would, you. >> know. >> russia, the soviet union and nazi. >> germany became. >> an alliance. you know, and but. >> the. >> for freedom speech, fdr. he said, we're what what is

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up everything for the thought that it gives him a better negotiation purpose. it's a very radical strategy. so it's kind of an anti speech to the joint session of congress. but he's going to look for high jinks. he might have musk there. he's going to muck it up. he's going to have some lines. so there'll be a lot of theater because we all now do body language. and look at everybody, democrats and republicans behavior during the oration. >> one of the things that i've been reflecting on is that some of the most powerful moments in these speeches is when there's bipartisan support standing up for something a president says, a republican president or a democratic president. we're obviously in a very different political moment now, but is there anything you think might warrant that? or you might maybe let me say it a different way. you might be shocked if it doesn't warrant that response. >> well. >> look, big terror is what trump's coming in here with. 25% canada, mexico 10% with china. now there's an appetite in america for tariffs, but not this kind of tariff war where

you're going. 25%. i mean, you're seeing the stock market just lose trillion dollars. that doesn't mean it can't bounce back. but you're seeing a concern. that's a hemorrhaging within the gop. many of the republicans there despise putin. want to see ukraine succeed and do want to see some terrorist activity. but at 25%, it seems like a boondoggle. i would suspect tomorrow, the next day, you'll see trump say he's made some agreement of a of a moderate kind with mexico or canada, just to kind of reclaim his own narrative, which is coming apart at the seams right now. >> and doug, on foreign policy, there are a lot of people in america who are saying, what are we doing? what are we doing here? and where where do we end up with this kind of approach, abandoning an ally in favor of the to the benefit of, of an autocratic country? past

speeches have offered reasons and doctrines. we know this a different kind of president, but are you looking for anything like that tonight? are there words that he can slap on to this foreign policy? >> i think he wants to make this speech kind of a trump doctrine, and that the united states, conversely, that the united states is the richest, most powerful country in the world. and that's because of our international monetary system, that's because of our alliance system. but he's going to say biden screwed everything up. it's going to be biden messed it up. biden. he's going to run hard against joe biden, might evoke hunter biden. he's going to try to tell people you didn't like biden and i won the election and elections have consequences. the problem with president trump, he's in his media silo. of maga media. and they're not realizing this is not a mandated election. he barely won. and so, you know, we'll see if he gives any olive branches if there are any moments of bipartisan accord.

but there will be few, if any, in my opinion. >> really interesting to hear you put it in that historical context. and even if you do have a mandate election, it's usually not a mandate to raise prices and sink markets. i've never heard of any such mandate. that's why really, he's coming in, as you said, with headwinds in reality, which might be separate from from his media diet. historian doug brinkley joining jen, and i thank you so much. we're fitting in a break, but we are going to tell you we are excited for what's next. we hope you are. senator elizabeth warren weighing in live tonight. and that's not all. governor tim walz joins us live next hour. jen and i will be eager to hear from someone who, of course, was on the ticket that lost narrowly by one and a half points nationally to this president. we also have two special guests on a remaking of the world alliances that america has had since the end of world war two. >> i don't see you. >> asking elon musk if he owns a suit. >> everyone knows.

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>> welcome back as our special coverage of tonight's presidential address continues. i'm ari melber. >> and i'm jen psaki. and we are counting down to tonight's joint address to congress for a speech that often reflects, almost always reflects, a moment in time of the person sitting in the oval office. this one comes just days after that tense oval office meeting when president trump berated ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky. just 24 hours since trump paused all military assistance to ukraine. and just over a week since the united states joined countries like russia, north korea and belarus in voting against a un resolution supporting ukraine. what a difference a few years makes. i mean, less than a week before joe biden delivered the state of the union address in 2022, you can see him there. russia had just launched their invasion. and on the night the war began, just six days before he delivered that address, i was in the white house, and we weren't even sure that kyiv would still be standing when he walked into the house chamber. but it was. and in the days leading up to

the speech, we decided to rework the speech, which sometimes happens because it's a moment in time to focus the top of the president's remarks on putin's assault and the bravery of the ukrainian people. >> he thought he. >> could. >> roll into. >> ukraine and the world. >> would roll over. >> instead. >> he met with a. >> wall of. >> strength he never anticipated or imagined. he met. >> the ukrainian people. >> now that is very different from the message. i think we all expect to hear from donald trump tonight. but what's also striking, if you look at the video there is what the response was. there was huge, overwhelming, multi-minute applause, a standing ovation for the ukrainian ambassador who was in the room. you can see her right there. the reception was very clear. a congress united against russia and their aggression. a congress united on the side of good versus evil. but tonight, trump stands poised to flip that narrative. after

weeks of heaping praise on vladimir putin and blaming ukraine for the war, putin started. >> a dictator without elections. zelensky, better move fast or he's not going to have a country left. >> zelensky a dictator. would you use the. >> same words regarding putin? >> i don't use those words lightly. reporters asked me if i thought president putin was smart. i said, of course he's smart. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war three. >> clearly, this year, from everything you just saw and everything you've been watching over the last couple of days is very different. we're in a very different place as a country, and we're the united states is on this huge global issue. and one of the big questions i have headed into this speech is if trump presents that kind of a message, will republicans stand and cheer if they do? that signals, obviously, something dangerous about where we are right now, but at least the american people will get to see

it for themselves. all right. there's so much to digest. what are you thinking about going into tonight? >> well, it's so interesting you taking us through the insider account and what it felt like in a white house, and the reminder that even though politics can suffuse everything, it's fair to observe many presidents and their teams in both parties try to level up. when we talk about the blood and treasure of a war. here, though, we watched a meeting with the president there on friday where it was all about partizanship getting in digs at your former boss and saying if anything bad happened when he wasn't there, it didn't matter because that might be his honest view. it doesn't matter when it doesn't involve him, as if he doesn't occupy and carry the power of the united states precisely because it's the position of the united states. so, you know, we started our earlier coverage saying domestically, i asked, are you better off than you were six weeks ago when president came in office? and now we're talking foreign policy this hour. and i posed the same question is the united states better off than it

was six weeks ago? bowing to an autocrat walking away from the ukraine alliance, defending a country that fought off an invasion? and so i will say, i'm repeating myself. but there was a great artist, lecrae, the christian rapper, who said, the reason why i sound the same, the truth don't change. and the truth is the real question. the six week test for this president from when he came into office to now on domestic and foreign policy is a tough question he has to answer tonight. and anyone who's fair is going to try to keep an open mind, even with the available evidence, and see, does he have any good answers tonight? i mean, we have this tradition because the founders said every year the president should address the state of the nation. it's actually a little different than only talking to your base or doing propaganda. although we have to fact check any propaganda we hear. and so what i want to hear back from you is sort of with that six week test in mind, it only took six weeks in a negative sense, for this

president to not only fundamentally challenge the post-world war two alliance that says europe tries to defend these democracies. against what? against the soviet bloc. now, russia's vladimir putin, that's what we're dealing with. and someone who seems in donald trump to prefer autocrats abroad, as he says he wants to have a more unitary, autocratic power at home. and then finally and i'll just throw this in, we don't need it, but we'll throw it in. gen y is the united states leader talking about world war three. how is that better than six weeks ago? if we are trying to avoid any on ramp to that kind of talk escalation, let alone acts of war? >> well, first of all, i'm grateful you brought up christian lecrae the rapper. otherwise i would have. >> but yeah, you were going to go. >> there and you weaved into russia. look, i think one of the things over the last six weeks i've been thinking about is trump has sort of defied political gravity in many

moments, right? i mean, even him being elected felt like it defied political gravity in some ways. but over the last six weeks and a speech like this, it doesn't happen in a vacuum. even if he goes out there and delivers a speech from a teleprompter and says something that is far more supportive of ukraine, says something that is critical, critical of the doge, but says something that is supportive of federal workers. i don't think he's going to do that, but there is what people are living and experiencing every day in their lives right now, and that includes everything michele norris was talking about. when you're sitting at home and you're trying to figure out if you can pay bills, the price of eggs, the cost of buying a car, the cost of living. but what i've also been struck by is there has been a political response, even to the friday oval office address, oval office meeting, i'm sorry, where trump berated zelensky in a way that surprised me. i mean, supporting ukraine is the right moral thing to do. it's not always the most politically popular thing to do, and that's just a statement of fact and the country. but tom suozzi, i was just talking about this during the break, who is a

middle of the road member of congress. he won in a purple district. he had a town hall meeting over the weekend. there's been a lot of republican town hall meetings. he talked about how off he was, his words, not mine, about what he saw in the oval office. and people applauded him in the room. why? is it because they want to give more money to ukraine? i don't know, or they just feel like that felt wrong and i want to be on the side of good. we don't know. we can't always determine how or why everybody feels the way. >> they feel, whether there's an off ramp other than immediate surrender. >> well, that's true, and that is a complicated part of obviously international diplomacy. but but i do think that underestimating the impact of friday and what people saw, i don't think people should do because it it is breaking through in a way that i'm, i was surprised by. but maybe because it was such a historically horrible meeting. anyway, beyond that, we're going to bring in two people who have lots of thoughts on this. joining us now is john brennan, former cia director, and eugene robinson, pulitzer prize winning columnist

for the washington post. director brennan, i just want to start with you, because and i'm not going to ask you to speak to the politics of that. we'll do that. but watching that oval office meeting on friday and trump berating an ally berates somebody who has led a country through an invasion of by russia, watching what they've done since then, which is pull back military assistance from ukraine, which is there have been reports that they are pulling back any cyber activity against russia. give us a sense, given your past many jobs and many high level positions, of what that means in this moment. >> well. >> first of all. >> i think we. >> all agree it was a very shameful demonstration. >> by donald trump in the oval office and all of those. individuals and. >> national security. >> intelligence, defense and diplomatic. >> circles that i've. >> spoken. >> to. >> i think. >> feel as that. >> way that here was the person. >> who has. >> led ukraine through three. >> tough years. >> of war. who was coming to the united states, expressing appreciation for all of the support that we've provided

them, but also being at a very critical point in terms of trying to ensure that there's not. going to be a surrender. and unfortunately, all the signals that donald trump has been sending is. that he is siding with vladimir putin. he's praising putin, he's criticizing president zelensky and thinking about the global stage. i mean, just in the short six weeks in terms of what donald trump has done, whether it be the votes of the united nations or his actions of the oval office, it's been a complete repudiation of those values, principles and role that the united states has played certainly over the past 80 years. you know, throughout the course of my career, i always was very privileged to be able to engage with foreign officials who really valued the role that the united states played. they recognized american exceptionalism because of the tremendous good fortune that we have had throughout the course of our history. but they also very much appreciated the exceptional responsibility that we felt we had in order to stand up against communism or nazism or imperialism, all of those

things that other countries, weaker, smaller countries rely on united states for. and now donald trump is sending the signal to the world that the united states is only going to be pursuing selfish interests. and it's self-centered, and it's not going to be that shining city on the hill that president reagan talked about. and i can tell you, it has sent a shockwave around the world that the united states is no longer the united states that folks have counted on for the past 80 years. and again, i just think that the people within the government right now who are having to carry out these various missions around the globe on the diplomatic intelligence, national security front, are very worried that what we are seeing now is a selling out to vladimir putin and to the authoritarian leaders that donald trump cozies up to. >> eugene, let. >> me let me ask you about the response to this, because i always sometimes judge how people are responding by text from friends who aren't engaged in politics when they say, what was the deal with that horrible oval office meeting? now, that's not an assessment of the whole country, but i do think there's

been a response to this that felt has felt bigger than what we've seen in a while. what is your assessment of it, and what do you think the politics of this are to the degree that we even know that at this moment? >> you know, i really don't think we fully know that at this moment. i agree with you that it does seem to have broken through to a greater extent. >> than i might. >> have expected. >> and if. >> you think. >> about it. >> zelensky, in his normal garb, you know, his his wartime. >> garb. bravely fighting. >> against this. >> russian aggression. amid the ruins in kyiv and. >> other cities in. ukraine that are being devastated. >> by vladimir. >> putin's aggression. that's an. >> image, that's. >> an iconic image that i think. >> most, most people. >> have have remembered. >> and. >> so they think. >> of that and. >> they, they think of what they

saw. >> in that oval office. >> meeting. and. >> i it's upsetting. >> you know. >> i keep coming. >> back to what director brennan. >> is talking about, really, and just trying to. >> understand. >> get a sense. >> of the. magnitude of. >> what we saw on friday. i mean, it was this just damage to the transatlantic alliance or was it something that it's really. >> going to. >> be. >> very. >> very difficult for anyone to repair. if you're sitting. >> in paris. >> if you're sitting in. >> berlin, if you're sitting. >> in warsaw, what do you think about the solidity and of the of the us security guarantee? do you think it's really there? >> do you think you're going to. >> be expected to give up. >> some minerals. >> for continued us security presence and, and to, to. remain under the us umbrella in the

face of vladimir putin? i, i think this is potentially a more sort of tectonic shift. in the world than a lot of people are. taking in at this point. >> important points. director brennan, ari melber here, the president used the meeting to press a case to press his worldview about cards and chits and who owes what, as jean just referenced, we would expect if tonight is consistent with friday, he will continue to do that on a grand stage where he is alone, not just shouting at or berating it as zelensky. what is your advice to people trying to make sense of this on the facts and the foreign policy history here? how should one view donald trump's claims that this is a transaction? they have no cards, quote unquote. the us is being taken advantage of. et

cetera. >> well, i know that president zelensky said that it was a regrettable meeting, and it certainly was regrettable, but i must say he has to be admired for standing up to donald trump. i think too many people around the globe, as well as certainly within this country and the republican party, have just folded in front of donald trump. and i think that just fuels his arrogance, his hubris, his, you know, threats and intimidation and extortion because they just fold and bend. zelensky is a very principled individual, and he's standing up for his his country. and i do think that if there are more individuals like justin trudeau did today, he spoke very frankly, very, very directly to donald trump about the concerns that that the canadian people have who've been our neighbors and one of our closest allies over the years, and donald trump, who is just pursuing, again, these transactional engagements, looking at it through a personal financial, economic trade prism

and not having any of those those traits that previous presidents have had, that look upon the world with compassion, with empathy, with concern, with support to defend those who are being oppressed and who are downtrodden, to use the united states great resource and capabilities in order to ensure that the world is overall is going to benefit not just the united states. so again, you know, i, i would see this almost as an existential moment for u.s. foreign policy and domestic policy as well. donald trump is decimating the executive branch of the federal government. he is decimating all of those capabilities that have kept this country strong and prosperous internally. and like eugene said, i don't think we understand yet the full damage of this because it's just six weeks. the reverberations are going to last for quite a while. they can get worse. and if he's not challenged, if he's not pushed back, i think we're going to see a real serious deterioration not only of our role internationally, but also our health and prosperity

domestically. >> yeah, it's a really striking point as well, about how it's a testing of these individuals and how they respond. cia veteran john brennan, washington post gene robinson on the big night. thanks to both of you. let me tell folks what's coming up here. governor tim walz is here. our colleague simone, michael and alicia coming up. and next meeting just on the other side of four minutes. senator elizabeth warren live. stay with elizabeth warren live. stay with us. if you have heart failure or chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life, because there are places you'd like to be. (♪♪) serious side effects include increased ketones in blood or urine and bacterial infection between the anus and genitals, both which may be fatal, severe allergic reactions, dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. stop taking and tell your doctor right away if you have nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, tiredness, rash, swelling, trouble breathing or swallowing. tell your doctor about lightheadedness, weakness, fever, pain, tenderness, redness

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>> let's remember not to be afraid. we have. the public on our side. >> you are not going to make us back down. we know the important work. >> we do for the. american people. >> fear is contagious. >> but do. >> you know what else. >> is contagious? >> courage is contagious. >> we're hearing directly from some of the consumer financial protection bureau workers, public servants who were protesting. that was just from the beginning of this week, yesterday. joining us now is senator elizabeth warren, of course, proposed that agency. she also serves on the finance committee and has been an advocate for consumers against many banks in wall street for some time. welcome. >> thank you. it's good to be with you. >> great to have you. what do you think is important tonight? >> look, we know what donald. >> trump is not. >> going. to say tonight. it's a good place to start. >> he's not going to talk about. >> his plan to lower the cost of groceries. he's not going to talk about his plan to make it

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the tune of literally billions of dollars. >> yeah. when you look at your role in that, on the one hand, many people are concerned about this sort of trump musk set of cuts. on the other hand, something that you, along with democrats and your party, president obama, something you built, clearly scares them, threatens them and their allies and donors. can you speak on that tonight? and what is the road ahead in that clash? >> so remember that we had a bunch of. >> consumer financial protection. >> laws, but they were scattered among seven. different agencies. >> none of the. agencies made them. >> a first priority. and what happened? somebody figured out you could break the law and sell a bunch of scammy mortgages, and frankly, nobody would come after you. and then that built up and built up and built up and made it into our entire banking system, caused a crash in 2008

that cost 10 million families their homes. and taxpayers had to shell out $700 billion to bail out giant financial institutions. we came out of that and said, never again. we built the consumer financial protection agency to be a cop on the beat, just to be there on all this financial stuff, to enforce all of the laws that exist. the problem is that here's the good news and bad news all in one. that consumer agency discovered over the last dozen years, $21 billion in fraud against american families. and it made those companies return that money that had been fraudulently obtained directly to the families they cheated. really good for american consumers, but not so good for the fraudsters, not so good for the billionaires who like making money off those scams. so they've been on the attack for

this agency ever since before it was born. and now elon musk, who wants to launch his own financial product, x money, is saying, i tell you what, how about we just get the financial cop out of the picture before he launches his financial product? and that way he won't have to worry about, you know, things like following the law. that's what this fight is really about. >> senator warren jen psaki, i've been so excited to ask you about tariffs, because you speak in english about a lot of these issues that everybody is trying to understand out there. so we hear a lot. they're going to raise the cost of goods on people. we hear about industries. we hear about farmers, we hear about electricity. for people watching right now who are wondering, how is this going to impact me? how will it impact them, and when will they start to see the impact do you expect? >> so let me just start with it if i can. jen, just back up a tiny little bit. tariffs can be a really valuable tool. as one

of the tools in our toolbox. so for example we need to be making more pharmaceuticals our drugs here at home instead of counting on foreign countries to do that or counting on china to supply all of the ingredients, we might put a tariff in place in part to protect a growing industry. we might want to get a supply chain back here in the united states, and we might use a tariff to protect it. but understand just simply saying everything that comes in from canada is going to get hit with a 25% tariff. you're going to feel it in a whole lot of different ways. you're going to feel it. i said earlier, you're going to feel it in your maple sirup, but you're going to feel it in things like lumber, which in turn affects housing and how many housing starts there are, how many new houses get built, and then what the price of those houses are. so this is one of those things. target stood up today and said, hey, look, you put that 25%

tariff on mexico and we're going to have a problem with the produce. we turn over our produce every three days, and a lot of that comes from mexico. prices are going to go up immediately. some places you'll see it immediately, but if it stays in place across the board, it's going to hit in a thousand ways. that what you see overall is just prices have gone up. remember, from a president who ran on, he would bring prices down, who, after he won, said the reason he won was his promise to bring prices down. and now talk about the world's ultimate bait and switch. he's off trying to increase prices for families rather than decrease them. let me ask. >> you about some of the politics of what we're seeing going on right now in the backdrop of it, because there's a lot of activism out there. a lot of people are angry at republican town halls across the country. there were reports today that the chairman of the

nrcc that oversees the house races has told republican candidates and members not to hold town halls. what do you make of that? >> you know, what does that mean in a democracy when one of the two major political parties in america says, in effect, the only way we're going to survive right now is if you don't go talk to the people you represent. if you don't hear from the people you represent, why, if you were a member of congress, would you say that and would you do that? and i actually think i know the answer. remember the house of representatives and the senate right now under republican leadership, are trying to move forward with something that is even more unpopular than the cuts you've already seen, and that is tax giveaways to billionaires paid for on the backs of hard working american families. that was wildly unpopular last time around, and by golly, it's going to be wildly unpopular this time

around. so instead of running the risk that some of those republicans may actually hear what their constituents have to say about that, i think republican leadership is saying, just just put yourself in a bubble. stay away from that, because it is absolutely critical to the republican leadership in congress, to donald trump and to elon musk to deliver those giant tax breaks for billionaires and make families pay for them. that's the central view of central thrust of what's going on right now. billionaires win, families lose. >> and a lot of those billionaires have access to the oval office. that's a topic for another day. senator warren, so great talking to you. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. it's good to see you. >> later this hour, governor tim walz will be here live on fighting the trump agenda in red and blue states. but first, our friend simone, michael and alicia are going to join us at

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options to pick from. we'll see. and some may bring a wide array of props, including noisemakers. house minority leader hakeem jeffries is reportedly trying to stop that from happening, and during a recent interview, he was pretty direct in explaining why he thinks members should attend the speech. >> why are y'all going to sit in the chamber to let him lie. >> to y'all? >> we shouldn't. >> let. >> him come in. >> there and. just speak. >> to a group of sycophants who are going to applaud at every single thing he says or does, like lap dogs. he's gotta also know that there's a significant opposition. >> no lap dogs in the room. let other people be there. joining us now are msnbc host symone sanders townsend, michael steele and alicia menendez. okay, so i want to start with you, because you and i have spent many decades working in democratic politics. i've been talking to people. you've been talking to people. what have you been hearing about whether they may actually walk out and what else they're planning for tonight? so

the. >> walkout conversation is one. >> that happened. it's my understanding. >> the democratic caucus meeting yesterday and today, democrats have been talking about it. there are some that. do not want. >> to make themselves the story. they say they don't. >> want the members to be the story. >> they want the guests that they're bringing to be the story. and some of the guests that these members have are truly remarkable, like physical. >> representation of just how devastating the president's policies and the. >> cuts that doge has been making are, you know, representative lamonica mciver out of new jersey. she's bringing a woman from eaton whose son is disabled and relies on medicaid for home health care services. >> similarly, representative turner out of texas. >> is bringing a mother. whose two year old is disabled and their private insurance wouldn't cover everything. and so medicaid was supplemental and covered. everything else. but if the cuts happen, they would. >> be in. >> danger on my. >> adams is. >> bringing a. student who's like, well, i have a student. will i have any anything to help me pay for school? will the private. >> education even be there? >> but there are some members that are like, i'm not going.

>> and i think that the. range of what they're going to do actually. >> does not. >> doesn't translate. >> to the people at home. they're like, democrats look like they're in. >> disarray when the democrats in washington, d.c. are. >> like. >> no. >> no, we are fighting. >> just fighting in different ways. >> so i think. >> the message is a. >> little not as coherent. >> as they want it to be. >> jen was very diplomatic. i mean, one of the valuable things which i'm impressed. >> on a lot more. >> michele norris made this point earlier, and i think it's a good one. these guests can be very helpful in in terms of local news stories, which are still very powerful in the days after, but yes, i haven't. i've been trying to put my finger on what exactly the strategy is. it's a lot of all those things. okay, michael, you've been a part of the opposition before, during these speeches. this is a very different speech. it is an entirely different moment. i'm trying to make it normalize it. but what do you what do you wish they were doing? don't hold back. >> no, no. >> no, i. >> the point. >> i think is important to understand for. folks to contextualize what this is and what it isn't. this is not a

state of the union by the president of the united states. all right. that happened. >> already. >> earlier this. >> year by president biden. >> who. >> delivered the annual. >> state of the. >> union from his administration. this is a joint address invitation extended by the speaker of the house. >> looks very similar. >> it looks very similar, but its import is very different. what makes this a lot, much more, much more like a. noise maker is because of all. >> the crap. >> that donald trump has done over the last six. >> weeks, to just be explicit about. >> it, from tearing up. >> parts of. the constitution. >> to ramrodding. >> the deconstruction of. >> the. federal government, to elevating. >> elon musk to. >> his little mini me, all of these things have have transfixed the country's attention on what he's going. >> to say. but we know what he's. >> going to say. he's going to say how right. >> he's. >> been and how wrong everybody else is for thinking that. he is

doing the wrong thing. democrats find themselves, to simone's point, in not so much a point of disarray, but a, i guess, a space of trying to figure out what is the best way to coagulate and bring together all of the various activities that are going to take place, because there is value into getting up and walking out of the room when he says something stupid. there is value to leveling up the folks that i brought in as an example of the harshness of your of your policies. how do you then talk about that? and i think to simone's point, the best way to talk about it actually is going to be after the fact, because then you start to connect those dots because people right now go, i understand what they're doing. well, you will when afterwards they're able to sort of say, this is why you say that. >> you're saying. >> you understand this after they just like, look at the person. i'm trying. but you're right. i would have said that. i'm saying, look, y'all, y'all think this is all going in seven

different directions? trust me, all these dots are connected because they're connected to real people in their lives out there. and you'll see that unfold over the course of the evening. >> you know what? i'm from talking to a bunch of democrats, too, and leadership offices that i think they are very focused on is making this about the impact on people's lives and the economy. and that wasn't the dominant message going into the election last year. and i think you're right. they're trying to figure out, i mean, is he going to blame them for the government potentially shutting down? they're preparing for that. are they going to make it about social security? we'll see what he says. is it ukraine? you have to kind of wait sometimes and see alicia. what do you i mean, there's a lot of things they could say that trump could say tonight that would prompt a walkout. what are you watching for and what do you think it should be about if they do it? >> i think the fact that we're sitting here and talking about democrats is because we know what republicans are going to do, republicans are going to stand there and cheer, but then they're going to go back to doing what they've been doing, which is whispering to reporters and their democratic colleagues and one another about the fact

that they know that the cuts are bad for their constituents, and they know that abandoning ukraine is bad for the world order. they're just not brave enough to stand up and say that tonight. so that leaves us with democrats who are not the majority party, and yet they're the only ones who potentially can do something that will draw the nation's attention and create a contrast with donald trump. i think given the amount of chaos that has ensued in the past few weeks, there is a natural tendency to want to focus on the chaos. i think the challenge for democrats is that part of that disruptive energy is what voters will tell you. they voted for. they wanted him to go and shake things up. so they need to say it's not about him shaking things up. it's about him screwing things up. that is the word i will use at 7 p.m. at midnight. we will see if there is a different word in my vocabulary. you know, the. >> after midnight rules are different. >> it'll be a little different. >> i'm wearing off on. >> her, you know? i mean, he campaigned on helping families

make ends meet. you have an economy that is now in disarray. whether it is because of the tariffs. the one thing that has not come down is the price of eggs. he promised peace with ukraine on day one. instead, you have our european allies talking about whether or not they're going to have to go it alone. he talked about rooting out waste, fraud and abuse. the only thing he's done is cut weather forecasting, ebola prevention and potentially medicaid for america's most vulnerable. so he's not shaking it up. he's messing. >> it up. yeah. i think you're speaking to something that's bedeviled democrats dealing with trump from the first term through the biden era, when he is playing in a view the people have. that's unfair. you can say what he's been doing in the last six weeks. this isn't allowed. and you'd be right. that's why the courts, including republican appointees, have stopped a lot of it. you could say it's not fair. and we just heard from elizabeth warren and others about that argument. and it's not all mutually exclusive, but i think what you just said, that's that's frankly so compelling is it's not working.

it's not working. and so even if some of it is allowed, some of these cuts are going through, some of the courts have paused things and let other things allowed some of the things we can debate what fairness is means different things to different people. but if prices are up and the markets are down and the president is the one bringing up world war three, michael, if it's not working now, when is it supposed to start working? >> but says so. that's the conceit. it's not supposed to. it's not designed to. this is not this is not about making all of this work at the same time. you go back and you go through those 900 pages of project 2025, you you know that there there are parts of that, that there's no way that's going to work. there's just no way that you're going to fire 2 million people. and that's just going to be an easy day for government service around the country in terms of the services americans get. no one is thinking that part through. the governing part of project 2025 was never the point

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♪♪ unpopular president in modern american history. with the exception of the first time he was in office, he's going to give a speech to the american people and have zero to report about what he did to address the issues. >> he said he would address in. >> his campaign. >> democratic senator booker there leading a bit of a rebuttal on behalf of democrats about the president's address tonight. and we are joined now by a very recognizable member of that party, minnesota governor and former running mate tim walz. welcome. >> hi, ari. >> hi, jen. >> good to be with. >> you guys. >> great to have you. we'll get into all of it. but let's start with how so many americans met you. is there anything you learned out on the campaign trail last year that could apply to how democrats respond tonight

and in the days ahead to this trump agenda? >> yeah. look, donald trump. >> is a showman. >> this is a dog. >> and pony show tonight. >> he's not going to lay out anything. >> that. >> improves the lives of minnesotans. but but he fills. a he fills the space. and i think the thing i learned is, is we have to go into every space because what was clear is not enough. americans believe that we as democrats or vice president harris and myself. were on their side. and we are. our policies are popular. >> but that. >> didn't resonate. and he's going to come out there. >> tonight, and he's going to get cheers from. >> a bunch of lapdogs that will kiss his boots. the same people who won't go see their constituents, because what they know is firing veterans from the va. not a good idea. putting tariffs on farmers. not a good idea. cutting the folks who are trying to reduce the risk of highly pathogenic avian influenza. not a good idea. and so i think the thing i learned is, is we need to be in every space, everywhere. saturday night i was up in helena, montana. look, we have got to take that message because we have got to believe ourselves that our message is about

improving the lives of middle class folks. donald trump cannot and will not do that. so i expect, you know, it will just be nonsense. it's bread and, you. >> know, bread and circuses tonight. >> we need to be out there giving real examples of real things that improve lives. >> appreciate that and shout out to montana. i've been out there hiking great, great trails, great people. when you look at what we're seeing now, you have the world's richest person, a multi-billionaire many times over, being cheered on by workers and some working class people on the center right. and in maga, while as you just referenced, he fires people and takes away jobs, where does that response fit in for your party tonight? >> yeah, well, it troubles me. you know, i made the case on this that i come out of the working class and i thought it was a flex, that i was the least wealthy person to ever run for vice president. and they side with the guy who wants to cut. >> your mom's social security benefits. >> this goes back to our job is

our policies are popular. social security is popular, paid family medical leave is popular. the consumer. >> protection financial. >> bureau that that. >> senator warren talked. >> about is popular. so you don't get ripped off. why are they siding with this guy that is blatantly trying to get himself involved in this? a guy who's lived on government contracts, someone who has given no service to this country, only to himself. we have got to get back to earning the trust. and i think it starts with going in and talking to these folks. go wherever you can, but then making. >> sure when. >> we have the power to do something, pass some damn laws to improve people's lives, don't worry about the next election if we can pass it all. the first year i said that as governor, if i can get everything passed, why would i come back again? you can get it done. and i think we have made a mistake on that. and i, i just have to tell you, ari, i disagree with this idea that, look, republicans are digging a hole. democrats should back off and just let them dig. that's what we've done and we've ceded space to them. i say jump in the hole and help them dig, because i'll tell people i want to go

out to these districts and tell them, this is what your member of congress is voting for. they are undermining you. >> bernie sanders. >> is right. quit trying to talk about social security, other than just lift the cap and let everybody pay their pay what they should. that fixes it. it's simple. the idea that that elon musk doesn't pay any more than a teacher is simply outrageous. when i mean how, how can it be that donald trump pays less taxes than folks who are working at schools or hospitals? and we as democrats need to be more aggressive about it, because tonight will be nothing but, you know, reality tv because that's what this is to this guy. i was on a farm this afternoon. i don't know how many of those farmers voted for me. >> probably not many. >> that's the way it goes. but they agreed with me on this. this is stupid. donald trump negotiated a trade deal. now he's trying to go back on it with our trusted allies. and i don't blame canada for this, but i'm nervous about it. when the premier of ontario says that they're going to cut off electricity to us, that's a

problem. do i hear donald trump saying a damn thing? no. do i hear him say anything about the wildfires down in south carolina? no. when we have these things, he just wants to attack california or attack his political opponents. this is not leadership. the american people know it. and those folks in that room, i can see it in their eyes. they are terrified to go back and talk to their constituents. it took them six weeks to screw the economy up. >> governor walz, it's jen psaki. you seem to have a lot on your mind and you're fired up as per usual. you also said today on x or twitter or whatever the heck we're calling it that you made when you talked about how the republican, the nrsc chair, said that republicans should not go out and hold town halls, and you said, hell, maybe i will. if you congressman refuses to meet, i'll come host an event in their district to help local democrats beat them. what does that look like? are you really going to do that? and if any, has anyone reached out and taken you up on that? >> well, if they want me to, i tell them, you know, if it helps you in. >> your. >> district to have me, i'll do

it. if, if it helps you to act like you don't know me, do that too. i just care that we elect people who care about their constituents. and i'll tell you, jen, i lived through the town halls of 2010, the aca town halls, and those started out as organic. i know they got fuel, but but mike johnson saying, oh, these are just paid folks. those are not paid folks. i've lived through this. and i have to tell you, donald trump was the recipient of that tea party rage that started with those town halls, and it motivated people. i see americans begging to like, this isn't there's not going to be a charismatic leader in our party, come in and sweep in. i'm not saying that at all. what i'm saying is we should be giving the platform for the citizens who are doing this work themselves. when i watch a senator from kansas walk out of a room after a veteran stood up and asked why they were firing veterans, and then go back and say, well, i know these guys are from the cities driving mercedes. i guarantee you that guy is not driving a mercedes. and i think what i'm mentioning is, is we in the democratic party, we've got our leaders out there. they're our voters. they're the middle class folks.

and to be honest with you, i hope it's a lot of those millions of people who i didn't inspire enough to go vote. those are the folks we needed. i don't believe maybe i'll change a lot of donald trump's folks, but they're seeing the results of this, too. but what i'm saying is democrats need to be present. we need to be in every space. we need to hear when these folks are expressing those opinions. and then we need to deliver results so it improves their life. this gentleman was just saying, i don't think this is fair, that you're firing veterans for without reason. they served. what do you have to respond? and a united states senator got up and walked out. that is just outrageous. i stood there and took my beating. i still do that when i'm in the public and people holler at me. that's part of our democracy. and you don't get to just go in there and cheer donald trump tonight you go listen to your constituents. so i'll go where they ask me. >> there you have it. governor tim walz, former running mate. thank you very much for joining us. we are one minute away from rachel and the special coverage continuing. the other thing that i'm watching for tonight is how donald trump puts words on some of the setbacks, disappointment,

the friday meeting and what people, some people call the chaos. is he able to give people a framework for what has been for a lot of americans disappointments over the last six weeks? >> i'm watching that. i'm also watching how he's going to define, as you've been talking about this evening, his economic accomplishments, because i think the tariffs that people are preparing for that are about to be put in place. that's pretty universal. i mean, the wall street journal, editorial board, democrats, republicans, economists, business people are saying they're bad. how is he going to paint that one? >> right. and paint it in a way that actually connects? this has been jen psaki and ari melber. we are signing off. but don't go anywhere because rachel picks up our special coverage of tonight's presidential address to congress right now. keep it here on msnbc.