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trump delivered an address. it was the longest ever to congress. and that address was detached from reality. and it was full of lies. his presidential address was not presidential. his performance another reminder that none of this is normal. instead of trying to unify our country, instead of focusing on the issues that matter most to americans, the president glossed over those issues, choosing to focus on trolling democrats and throwing red meat to his base. >> the popular vote by big numbers and won counties in our country. >> the chair now directs the sergeant at arms to restore order. >> remove this gentleman from the chamber. >> i imposed an immediate freeze on all federal hiring, a freeze on all new federal regulations, and a freeze on all foreign aid. we've ended the tyranny of

so-called diversity, equity and inclusion policies, and our country will be woke no longer. joe biden, especially. let the price of eggs get out of control. i have created the brand new department of government efficiency doge. perhaps you've heard of it. perhaps. the next phase of our plan to deliver the greatest economy in history is for this congress to pass tax cuts for everybody. we need greenland for national security and even international security. the united states has sent hundreds of billions of dollars to support ukraine's defense, with no security, with no energy. do

you want to keep it going for another five years? yeah, yeah, you would say pocahontas says yes. >> okay. this is. >> very problematic. >> i just want to know we're going to fact check all those things in just a moment. but when the president said, talked about pocahontas, he was talking about senator warren and the camera panned to her. it was absolutely insane. democrats in the chamber, they protested with signs to call out those falsehoods. many walked out as the address went on, and michigan senator elissa slotkin was tasked with returning america to the real world by giving the democratic response. >> we just went through another fraught election season. americans made it clear that prices are too high and that the government needs to be more responsive to their needs. america wants change, but there's a responsible way to make change and a reckless way. while we're on the subject of elon musk, is there anyone in america who is comfortable with him and his gang of 20 year olds using their own computer servers to poke through your tax returns, your health

information, and your bank accounts? >> joining us now is claire mccaskill, former u.s. senator from missouri, and elise jordan, former aide to the george w bush white house and state department. both are msnbc political analysts who want to go first. >> welcome, welcome very much. well, that was rich. this whole evening was just filled with a lot of stuff. at least. i want to start with you on on an aspect of this, which i thought was how so? how should we put it? rich? it was a rich moment for me when trump talked about an unelected bureaucracy. let's take a quick listen to that, please. >> we have hundreds of thousands of federal workers who have not been showing up to work. my administration will reclaim power from this unaccountable bureaucracy, and we will restore true democracy to america again. and any federal bureaucrat who resists this change will be removed from office immediately.

because we are draining the swamp. it's very simple. and the days of rule by unelected bureaucrats are over. >> so there were two aspects of that that i thought were rich. one, the bobbleheads behind the president voted for those bureaucrats in that bureaucracy that they're now sitting there watching, be deconstructed with broad smiles on their face. second, the most obvious unelected bureaucrat at the center of this is elon musk. and i think for me, at least, as i hope for a lot of americans, they're beginning to see now just how dangerous this proposition could be. what was your take in in contextualizing that moment against the backdrop of this evening? >> it is. >> interesting to. >> me how. >> elon musk. >> has done a pretty good job of. making donald trump still feel. >> relatively unthreatened. why would you give elon.

>> musk a primetime. >> seat at your state of the. union to. >> highlight that he has a front and center. >> role as an unelected bureaucrat? >> yet that's what donald trump did. >> and all night. that was basically. >> the. >> tone of. donald trump saying that he's going to cut your tax, he's going to cut he's going to cut taxes on your wages. >> that he's. >> going to cut taxes. >> on social security. all these moves that republicans. >> are hoping that he's. >> not going to do. he still is. >> embracing it. >> he just doesn't. >> get yet that. >> he is in a more. >> politically perilous. >> position when it comes to. the economy. then he is portraying. >> and. >> giving out to the world. >> he's stuck in the culture war, but america wants to know what's. >> happening to the. >> stock market, what's happening with. >> the price. >> of eggs. >> and he's not. >> alone in being in that perilous position. he is taking republicans in congress with him for the ride. there was something about him standing in front of the legislative body and talking very little about legislation, or how they are going to be partners in this

agenda. most of this he wants to do by executive fiat. >> lancia. don't you know he's king? he doesn't need him. to heck with that other branch. he's got elon. you know, the biggest laugh line was that he was going to balance the budget. that was the biggest laugh line in the whole speech. i mean, i spit my diet coke when he said that if anybody believes this guy is capable of balancing a budget, well, then you need to go live in greenland, which will not be part of the united states. and i got to tell you, the contrast between him and the senator from michigan. i mean, she nailed it. she that's a. >> really hard thing to do. and i just want to give her props because she did exactly what needed to be done. she kept it real relatable. she talked about things that people care about. she explained things in a way that made perfect sense. and you know what else she did? she actually did it and was likable. and i got to tell you, talking

to senators today, the difference between the democrats and this speech and any other time i have been around where there's been a george bush giving the state of the union, or whether there was even donald trump in the first term, the level of disgust that people feel about what this man is doing to our democracy is real, palpable. and i get it that everybody's frustrated that there's not some phoenix rising from the ashes, leading us to the promised land. it's going to be hard and messy for a few months, but he's in a horrible position in terms of the economy, and he's in even worse position in terms of getting stuff through congress. >> let's play some of elissa slotkin. i have something to say about. >> the. >> democrats, but i'm gonna hold my powder. let's play elissa slotkin, talk about the prices going up. >> president trump is trying to deliver an unprecedented giveaway to his billionaire friends. he's on the hunt to find trillions of dollars to pass along to the wealthiest in america. and to do that, he's

going to make you pay in every part of your life. grocery and home prices are going up, not down. and he hasn't laid out a credible plan to deal with either of those. >> this is what claire was talking about. it was clear. it was direct. it's like he hasn't laid out a plan for any of that. look, donald trump did talk about grocery prices on the campaign trail. he talked about the eggs going down. he also talked about rounding. up undocumented people. he talked about letting rfk do whatever he wants with women, with hhs. he talked about elon musk coming in. he everything he talked. about the tariffs. >> i mean. >> i don't know. i'm not buying the thing that like, oh, the americans really just want the prices. that's what they all voted for. nobody voted for some of the other stuff. they they didn't think the other stuff was going to be this bad in my estimation. and now the chickens, for lack of a better term, because they're not laying the eggs right now, claire, are coming home to roost. but i mean, am i right, am. >> i wrong? >> well, i think some of the

people who voted for trump were all in on his maga rally speeches. there was about 15% of the people that voted for him, someone that don't like him. they actually thought he was going to be better for them in terms of the personal things they were worried about in their lives. they're not trumpers. they're not really. many of them probably voted for joe biden. and what we know is that is the swing vote in this country that actually decides who has power. and he thinks everybody who voted for him loves him. and he is wrong about that. and he is not addressing those people and the reason they voted for him. and you know what? we can snatch them back. we can snatch them back. >> yeah. >> but the. >> snatch it back, michael, when they holding up bingo or auction. >> sign going to say well thank thank you simone. >> i just. >> can we talk about the bingo signs were killing me. i don't know who thought of the bingo signs, but they should be fired. >> michael, this is an indictment, in my opinion, on the democratic leadership. i

talk to a lot of members during the. they was texting, the staff were on my phones and they were calling. and i think the best way to describe it is the democratic leadership said they didn't want disruptions and they wanted people to attend and bring a guest. and they wanted, you know, business as usual. and we're fighting back in other ways. there is a palpable disgust, as claire said, from not just the members, but their constituents. and it's like a pot, as someone described it to me, this boiling and it's about to bubble over. if you do not allow the members of spacex to release valve, it's going to bubble over. and this was a the members didn't. the visuals are not taking back the house in 2026. not these visuals. where's the signs? put the signs up folks. >> erase board. >> the dry erase. >> board with different messages. >> you don't put the paddles up. y'all do. we have a do we have something of the paddles? >> but but here's the thing. here's the thing about the moment for me that for folks, if you really want to understand the difference between

republican control and democratic acquiescence, it's in how two things happened in that chamber and how they were handled. when marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert stood up and showed their behinds on the house floor, right. when they just act a full shouting and talking and being loud and disruptive, what happened? >> they stayed. >> they stayed. democrats didn't threaten them. democrats didn't tell them, sit your behind down and shut up. right. order in the house. well what happened? what should happen? >> democrats. >> but what happened? what happened tonight? >> well what should have happened tonight? >> what should have happened? what happened then is what happened tonight. because the republicans weren't coming to play. they weren't going to give the democrats the quarter. they knew what they were going to do.

they knew they were going to try to be disruptive in some form. and their goal was to shut it down in one of two ways. and both of them worked usa, usa is if we they own that, you know that moniker and throw them out. >> i guess you. >> mean what should of the democrats done and said. >> throw them out? >> no, no, i'm talking about tonight. >> my. >> my what should the democrats have done. tonight instead of. >> what some of us believe they shouldn't have shown up, or if they showed up at a certain point? here's the deal. when, when the congressman was kicked out, half that room should have left with him because that was the point. he was the only one to stand up and say, i'm not going to sit here and let you lie in this chamber. i'm not going to let you get away with this, because you're lying right now. and instead of calling the man a lie like they did to barack obama. >> i remember i was there, right? and nothing happened.

>> and what happened then? >> didn't he get he got. >> a pat on the wrist after. >> i think. >> what happened tonight. but i also think there is what happens tomorrow. and i think part of democratic democrat's strategy is to let the man speak for himself. can we play the sound of trump describing tariffs as just a little disturbance? yeah, that was crazy. >> tariffs are about making america rich again and making america great again. and it's happening and it will happen rather quickly. there'll be a little disturbance. but we're okay with that. it won't be much. no you're not. and look and look where biden took us. very low. the lowest we've ever been. >> a concession. >> in there claire. >> an admission. >> oh, yeah. no. and interesting i today his commerce secretary came out and said he was going to roll back the tariffs

tomorrow. tomorrow he was going to roll them back. there was going to be a compromise on wednesday. so either he's folding tomorrow and he's going to pretend he didn't fold, or the commerce secretary has been put out, put out, way out on a limb and it's going to be sawed off behind him because trump is going to wait for the little disturbance to set in. >> i want to know how much, how much money was made going to be made. when that happens. >> i know somebody's going to make money behind the scenes. and by the way, the sec and doj will not prosecute them. >> oh no. >> they won't. no they won't. >> because who's making. the demand. >> in the market? >> oh, no. >> senator claire. >> mccaskill misses being in the us senate tonight. senator, thank you so much for being with us, elise jordan, you are sticking with us. more of our. special coverage. >> after this. >> i'm also working on my articles of impeachment. this president is unfit. he should not hold the office. 34 felony convictions, two times

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tonight as much. take a listen. to donald trump talking about how the middle east is a rough neighborhood. >> in the middle east. we're bringing back our hostages from gaza. in my first term, we achieved one of the most groundbreaking peace agreements in generations, the abraham accords. and now we're going to build on that foundation to create a more peaceful and prosperous future for the entire region. a lot of things are happening in the middle east. people have been talking about that so much lately, with everything going on with ukraine and russia. but a lot of things are happening in the middle east. rough neighborhood actually. >> so yeah, that's a that's. >> a throwaway. >> line when you just don't really know what to say. >> with your. characterization of it. >> could use a good casino. that's that's. >> some nice. >> oceanfront property. >> to be developed by my. >> son in law. >> well, and also, we'll know who to blame, as though marco rubio. that's setting up.

>> no, no, no, you nailed it. i mean, he really. was getting that out there front and. >> center, putting marco on the spot and. >> saying deliberately, yeah, when things don't go like i. promised they were going to go. >> this is the. >> fall guy, that's marco, and you. >> could just see him squirming. >> in his seat and looking as uncomfortable as he did the other day in the oval office when the brawl happened. >> with president zelensky. but given the number of challenges across the globe, given that you have our european allies getting together and saying, what is this going to look like if we have to do this without the united states? given the ongoing crisis in israel and in gaza, the fact that it took him an hour to say, this is what i, as the president of the united states, this is what i, as a world leader, see our role on the global stage. being that in and of itself is telling. and it hasn't changed fundamentally. >> that much. >> from the first term. >> there is no. grand strategy

of the trump foreign policy and the way he sees protecting america's natural national interest. he sees himself. >> and what is transactional. >> day to day? there's no long. term plan. there's no nurturing. our friendships and our long standing alliances and having. >> some modicum of respect. >> for the rules based order that we have benefited from our economy, our peace and security. no, exactly. this is that is just a passing. he doesn't care. at the end of the day, all he cares about is what day to day is going to be a headline and small wins that he can pick up. >> do you see the democrats playing, i think a particularly politically strategic role here, where they level up their vocal support, in contrast to republicans in the house and senate for ukraine, for the rules based world order, for the

democratic norms and principles that republicans once articulated and quite honestly, beat democrats over the head with in the 80s and the 90s. i mean. >> before i was born, i was about. >> to say, you know, i mean, just as a form of just political theater, you know, even though you had very, very, very much, you know, mainstream democrats supporting those very same foreign policy. and you can see the arc of foreign policy from eisenhower on down the line. it's consistent regardless of party, right, republican or democrat. but do you think the democrats could, in this moment, given the crap show that occurred in the oval office last week, what we heard tonight from the president that they could carve out this space in a way that they may not otherwise have been able to carve out with a pro democracy, pro ukrainian republican president. >> well, i think they can. connect the chaos that's

happening in our foreign policy. >> to the chaos. >> that's happening at home. it's all the same. through line. what's happening with our. >> institutions. >> with weakening any entity that could possibly. check the power of. people like. donald trump and his friends? no, i mean it. it's what the through line with. >> his foreign. >> policy, with who he likes, who's who he's attracted to, how he likes these despots, he likes autocrats. he likes these men who are going to abandon him if it's in their interest at any given moment, and he doesn't understand. >> that stability. >> listen, i can be as frustrated as anyone with international organizations and having to heed to them and kowtow. but at the end of the day, we have these rules. we have this order because it ultimately has been to our benefit. >> the president tonight talked about taking the panama canal and greenland. i just let's play this for folks, because i think people are completely missing it. >> to further enhance our national security, my

administration will be reclaiming the panama canal, and we've already started doing it. and i also have a message tonight for the incredible people of greenland. we strongly support your right to determine your own future. and if you choose, we welcome you into the united states of america. we need greenland for national security. >> i don't i don't know why people in the chamber were laughing. you know, donald trump and jd vance, they sounded a lot like vladimir putin in the oval office with zelensky on friday. but donald trump also sounded like putin to me tonight when he was talking about greenland and the panama canal. greenland does not want to be. they don't want to be americans. literally. american journalists have gone there and been like, do you want to be american? and they're like, no, we want our own independence, okay? they want to be further independent. the same thing when he talks about making canada the 51st state annexing canada, he does not respect the

sovereignty of other nations. he does not respect the contracts and the rules and the treaties. that's why he's talking about taking the panama canal. my question is, how he going to take it? we already are in the process of doing it. like are there are there is still team six at the panama canal right now. like how are you taking it? this to me is not a joke. he is very clearly signaling that he doesn't care about sovereignty and people's territorial integrity. if he wants something, he's going to take it, which is why he can identify so much with vladimir putin, cause that's what putin thinks. >> well, the way he. >> came off. >> tonight, i thought did seem pathetic in that it was almost just a pro tourism ad for the united states, the way he was almost pitching greenland to the greenland, the people of greenland. oh, you know, there are all these benefits of, you know, being american. you can still do it. it just seemed really pathetic. and the same way that it shows, you know, the way he talks about canada, it's almost as if he read something about the louisiana purchase a few months before going into the oval and was like, yeah, i can

do this one. this one's mine. >> i would say if you were pitching america, it was a pretty dark pitch through and through, from beginning to end of that speech. and to go back to the point that michael was making about the opportunity that is here for democrats. i thought that elissa slotkin did a very good job of creating a contrast and contextualizing the meeting with zelensky in a way i've not heard another dem do. let's take a listen. >> to that scene in the oval office. wasn't just a bad episode of reality tv. it summed up trump's whole approach to the world. he believes in cozying up to dictators like vladimir putin and kicking our friends like the canadians in the teeth. he sees american leadership as merely a series of real estate transactions. >> a few things there, which is donald trump has recast who the hero is in this story and who the villain is. and i think what slotkin did tonight was bring folks home and say, let's remember who our friends are and

let's remember who our adversaries are. they're not who donald trump is telling you. this is what the kids would say when they're like, yes, yes. okay. yes. >> okay. i did that again. >> you can't do it. i didn't. >> get it at all. that shows i'm just like entered the realm. >> of old age. >> i thought she did a fantastic job. i thought that she kept it short also, which is such an advantage that so many politicians just underestimate. people are going to actually pay attention to the substance of what she said. she was very clear, plain, eloquent. she didn't she? there wasn't any drama. she didn't need to add any drama to what she was saying, because the reality is already there. it she was telling the truth, but it came across in just a very simple, straightforward way that i think more democrats could be smart to emulate. >> yeah. >> i. agree with that. >> i thought she did a very good job because that's a very tough thing to do to follow any

president. >> many a career. >> they've killed many a career. she didn't need a drink of water. >> i was about to. >> say that, but i do. i think the slotkin piece tonight, if they're really creative folks inside the bubble with the democrats right now to juxtapose pieces, if i'm doing an ad tomorrow, which i would be doing right now, if i'm the dnc chair, i would have my folks put up an ad tomorrow to play in some key areas. pieces from trump's speech with slotkin's response and begin to set the narrative. the narrative contrast because the fight for the house began tonight, folks. >> it started three months ago. >> no, but it actually it actually began in earnest tonight. politically, i think there are a lot of folks now, particularly given what you've already described as the energy, the angst inside the democratic party for what some would argue is the failure to seize the

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>> we're also identifying shocking levels of incompetence and probable fraud in the social security program for our seniors, and that our seniors and people that we love rely on. believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million social security numbers from people aged 100 to 109 years old. >> there's a fact check. our colleague yamiche alcindor did a piece, you know, looking into this because it's something they've been saying. and her piece notes that the social

security administration's inspector general released a report in july that found that from 2015 to 2022, only wait for it. 0.84% of benefits payments were improper and those payments being improper totaled, just not what they said it did. >> well, so here's the thing that i always find. this is the part, folks. okay, america. peep this. understand the. peep this, peep this. right. understand the moment you've got sitting behind the president. two people, one a former member of the united states senate, one the other the current member of the house. they do this little thing in the house and the senate called oversight. now, if they had been oversighting the way they supposed to have been oversight, you would have thought they would have figured all this waste, fraud and abuse that that elon musk is just pulling out of his you know what? right. but they didn't. so either either

what you're being told by trump is a lie or a gross exaggeration, or the united states congress failed to do its oversight, oversight responsibility over these years to catch the very thing that they're now sitting there very haughtily, looking at the rest of the country and going, oh, well, you've just spent way too much money, darling, and we're just taking your program from you. >> i mean, alicia, i just feel like it's like it's like the president was setting america up tonight for. what are you going to. is this your excuse to go in and, you know, raid the social security situation? the former administrator, the former commissioner, governor martin o'malley, is saying that next month people might not get their checks. my mother texted me two weeks ago and said, tell elon, don't text, don't touch my social security. well, mother, i don't speak to elon musk. but, you know, i'll tell you guys, i think people wanted to come into this new presidency and be made to feel more secure. whether that was in the prices at the grocery store or whether that

was about america's role on the world stage. going after people's social security is not a way to make people feel more confident, more secure. and what i would have really liked to have seen was a pan to the republicans sitting in that chamber. >> thank you. >> as their leader of their party started talking about going after social security, because if people are showing up to town halls in purple and red districts to talk about doge. >> then they. >> are certainly going to show. up to talk about social security. >> they won't be in a line talking about social security, but i heard hakeem the leader, the leader, he has a statement. >> he put out a statement on the joint address. i'm gonna read it. donald trump delivered one of the most divisive presidential addresses in american history. he did not try to unite the country or speak to the serious economic challenges facing everyday americans. instead, president trump promoted the reckless republican budget that sets up the largest

cut to medicaid in our country's history. democrats will continue to fight hard to make life better for the people. and together we will get through this turbulent moment. chris murphy, senator, not necessarily known as like a staunch leader of the resistance. okay. very much so. known previously for working in a bipartisan fashion on a number of issues. he did an interview with julie earlier this week, and he said that he believes that the next six months are critical and we might not have a democracy in six months if democrats don't steal their spine, if you will. and again, i'm read to y'all in the break. some of the things that people were, you know, texting me throughout. i do think that democratic leadership has to they have hampered their members in a way that is not going no matter how many, how good their ads are, are not going to allow them to take back the house in 2026. you have to give the membership a release valve. and so this was a good opportunity for that. they didn't do that. they told members do not

protest. they encouraged people. they said, we want you to attend. they discouraged the protest and the members protesting in their in their ways that we have, you know, in my opinion, rightfully criticized. it's like a cry for help. it's like, come on, please, hakeem jeffries, please, chuck schumer. and let me just the next opportunity is march 14th on this budget situation. so you didn't want the democrats. are you going to literally tell these people whose members, whose people in their districts are saying, i want you to fight for me now from a town hall where someone stood up and said, please, just we'll be with you. just do something. >> well, i know a thing or two about steely spines. >> yes. >> we know. i really appreciate that that. >> i did that. >> for you. thank you very much. i really do appreciate that. but there's a lot of value in what you're saying, simone, because you're right. it's not going to get solved in a television ad. it's not going to get solved in anything. you send across the transom on people's phones. it's a combination of a lot of things that have to come together. and at the core of that is action. and in this, in this age where

you see at least one party doing and taking all kinds of actions, right, whether you like them or not. there's activity. and what it's doing, if you've noticed, is it's emboldening the republicans in a way in which dissent becomes much more difficult. the tighter the more active, the harder it is. you don't have that right now on the democratic side in a way that i thought maybe they could have begun to do that tonight. let them to your point, let the members express themselves, smack them on the hand tomorrow morning, but create that link of that moment of action for them so they can begin to see. okay. yeah. now we can coalesce around and yeah, we'll take the hit on the hand. and the public may or may not like everything that we did, but at least they know one thing about us. we're ready to fight. >> you know who's giving to the democrats tonight? people that

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responding to trump's speech tonight was new york congressman adriano espaillat. he delivered the spanish language response, speaking directly to hispanic americans. and congressman espaillat joins us now. he's the chair of the congressional hispanic caucus. welcome, congressman. >> good morning. welcome. >> oh my goodness. it is the morning. sir, can you just tell us what were. i mean, i think that there are people out there that would say, oh, the spanish language response, the talk was about immigration, but i would bet my bottom dollar that there was a large conversation about the economy. >> no question about it. i mean, immigration. >> is sort of like joined at the hip. >> with the latino community. but, you know, table table issues and pocketbook. issues are so critical. in my district, for example, we have 524,000 people that are on medicaid. out of 780,000 people.

>> and. >> 108,000 are on medicare, over 200 households are on food stamps. so these pocketbook issues are critical. and so when you talk about not bringing solutions to inflation, the president had an opportunity to present real solutions. to pocketbook issues tonight. and he didn't do that. he presented a very divisive speech that. >> i think splits. >> america even further apart from each other. i thought he lost an opportunity. so we i spoke. >> about those issues and about. >> medicaid and medicare. >> which is so. >> critical to districts like the one that i represent. >> you know, i also thought it was interesting, congressman, that inasmuch as there was what donald trump said about immigration in this country, there was what he did not say. he didn't talk about the fact that agriculture leaders, that construction leaders are saying, you are going to decimate my workforces. if you continue on with this mass deportation plan

that you have. he didn't talk about the fact that houses of worship are currently suing his administration because they don't want ice showing up in a sensitive place like a place of worship, going after moms and dads who are there to praise, not to be in a situation with law enforcement. but he did say. >> this. >> and it is about the path to citizenship that he is putting up for sale in the form of a gold card. take a listen. >> we have developed in great detail what we are calling the gold card, which goes on sale very, very soon. for $5 million, we will allow the most successful job creating people from all over the world to buy a path to u.s. citizenship. it's like the green card, but better and more sophisticated. >> what does it tell you that he is treating immigration to this country like an episode of the price is right?

>> well, i agree, this is. >> not a. >> a version of american express to get it to get a green card. >> but you know, he didn't he didn't. present options. you know, we feel very strongly. >> that the border should. >> be secure as well. latinos also want a secure border. there are many members of the congressional hispanic caucus that represent border districts. but we also want dreamers. >> we want to make. >> sure that farmworkers who are. not showing up to work show up to work, because if they don't. >> it will show up in our cash register. >> and we want families to be kept together. so those. >> three. >> issues dreamers, farm workers and keeping families together are. i think, very low hanging fruit in the very diverse and complicated immigration debate. and he didn't bring that up. he brought this gold card opportunity. and, you know, i don't think he's going to be able to balance the budget or impact the inflation or the prices of eggs, you know, with this gold card program. so i thought he lost a big

opportunity there. >> as well. >> i congressman i don't even know how to how much money he's going to raise from my $5 million. i mean, how many people are you talking about? i mean, this is how stupid the idea is to begin with, but i digress. the important thing, i think, is everything else that that beyond immigration, you're talking about a wholesale reordering of our economy, which will have a direct impact on your community, my community, in ways that are profound as entrepreneurs, as small business owners, as risk takers, we will be the first to feel the brunt of these devastatingly bad policies. speak, if you would, to what this means when you're hearing a president talk about laying down tariffs, which will be a tax on the small businesses that you represent, talking about

upending medicaid and medicare, which will have an impact on the on the health fabric of the community. speak about what that looks like, because i don't people i don't think people really fully understand. everybody wants to put our communities in buckets, you know, and we are much more than a bucket that you can throw a pair of gold lamé sneakers at or do the bro conversation right and at the same in the next breath, talk about someone striking or striking a $5 million check to come into the country. well, tariffs, of course, are going to unleash a response from those other countries. and again, it will show up in our supermarkets. it will show up in our bodegas, and people are going to have to pay. a much more for emergency products as well. you know, pampers, milk, eggs, the things that you buy every other day.

people go to the supermarket once or every other week and they and they shop big for two weeks, but they go to the local grocery store every other day, and they get clipped for money as they go. >> there. >> and they feel it, they feel the pinch. and so these tariffs will have a direct impact on the price of goods, and particularly emergency goods that people use every day, working class families. and so this is horrible for the districts like the ones that i that the one that i represent. and so we're hoping we're hoping that there will be some plan to curb inflation. and he didn't bring any plans. he didn't bring any suggestions. he didn't bring a short term or long term long term plan to address inflation in neighborhoods like the ones that i represent. all right. with regards and with regards to, let me just add. one one last thing with regards to immigration and the massive

rates. there's fear out there. so local businesses are not seeing the kind of foot traffic that they regularly see. so you go to the. commercial arteries in many of our neighborhoods and it's a dead town. and so this is having an impact as well on our local economy. all right. congressman adriano espaillat, thank you so much, sir. appreciate you. thank you for having me. thank you. there's more special coverage with the three of us. yes. all three. all three of us right here. right after this. >> safelite repair. safelite replace. >> nobody likes. >> a. >> cracked windshield. >> hi. >> but at least. >> you can go to. >> safelite.com and. schedule a fix in minutes. >> i can confirm very easy. >> safelite can. >> come to you. >> for free. >> and our. >> highly trained techs can replace your windshield right. >> at. >> your home. >> safelite repair. >> safelite replace a.

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before. as you know, we inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe and an inflation nightmare. as president, i'm fighting every day to reverse this damage and make america affordable again. >> several democrats. >> walked out as trump misrepresented, you know, basically everything tonight, including congresswoman lateefah simon, who said in a statement, i attended the joint session because i felt it was my duty to uphold congress's power of checks and balances and be a witness to truth. there was no truth to be found after hearing president trump's lies about social security and his celebration of firing dedicated federal workers. i walked out of his joint address to congress. democratic congresswoman latifah simon of california, who delivered the working families party response tonight, joins us now. >> welcome, congresswoman. talk to us about that moment, if you would, that where you made that

conscious decision. because i think a lot of folks really would like a better appreciation of what it was like to sit in that house and hear the level of lying, the exaggerations about what they have done in in six weeks time. walk us through a little bit of your thinking. and also, if you could give us a little of the backstory, because we know we've been talking about some of the consternation of some in the democratic caucus with wanting to do more, but not necessarily being allowed to. >> i appreciate the question. >> you know, a couple of things. i am eight weeks in into my journey as an elected member of the united states congress, and i have had actually nothing but support from congressional leadership to represent the good folks of california's 12th district and the way in which folks have asked me from my district to represent, i have 30

years in background as a community organizer and as an organizational. >> leader and as a. >> elected from my town. i'm a widow, i'm a mama, a single. >> mother, and i bring all. >> of those things into my seat, and my job is to represent. my folks. listen, tonight, representing veterans. and single. >> moms and. >> low income folks working three and four jobs and elders. >> i'd be. damned if i stood. >> longer than i did, listening to. >> outright lies. >> that were coming from that dais. when you talk about gutting social security. >> you're talking. >> about our. >> aunts and our mothers and our uncles. >> who are living. >> in care. >> homes, who might. >> not have care in the months to come, who can't live out their last days with. >> dignity and respect. >> we're talking about an administration that is talking about breaking down. >> the. >> department of education. >> an institution. >> that creates national. standards for. classroom sizes

and. >> provides resources. >> for disabled children to have. >> aides in the classroom. >> there's only so much i can hear last night. >> you know, i talked. >> to my mother about this. i said, mom, i don't want to go. my mother was born in the jim crow south, okay, in malvern, arkansas, and she told me, no one kicks you out of your house. so i sat down today and i began to listen. i did my duty. but at some point, the people that i represent. knew that my work would have been done better in my office planning tomorrow. the fight ahead. we have to fight not only to win back. >> the house. >> we have to mobilize our communities, block by block to win an america that we all deserve. >> congresswoman townsend here. talk about tomorrow and the days after. the chairman so rightfully put it that, you know, the reelection 2026, the midterm election kickoff started tonight. but like in earnest, even though there are many people that have already been thinking and talking about that. but what does tomorrow and the

day after and the day after look like? because the people, the people are tired. they are tired. they are frustrated and people are scared. they are folks that have lost their jobs. i'm sure in your district, because the federal government is the largest employer in this country and 80% as our good friend jen psaki said about an hour and a half ago of those folks work outside of washington, dc, maryland and virginia. absolutely. there's been a callousness that we've seen over the course of the past few weeks since the president was sworn in, but also want to be clear, >> government outside of red or blue hasn't worked for a lot of people. let's just be very clear. the poorest people in this country were two and three jobs where they worked with their full bodies. they are janitors. they are auto repair men and women. they are working in our cafeterias. they're our taxi drivers. they go into banks and they're not able to get loans. there are folks who have been working for decades and can't move from public housing. they can't get a down payment on

on a house or rental assistance. if we are to create an america that works for everyone, leaders must be proximate to those real struggles and the dreams and the hopes of all of our folks. right? so this administration and tonight we saw it pitting immigrants who come to this country seeking asylum to meet a broken immigration system that congress and the federal government was supposed to fix a long time ago. and they haven't done it, have been pitted against working class people who are literally working 15 hours a day trying to make ends meet. you know, the cost of the cost of eggs has nothing to do with the fact that we have an immigration problem. the fact that rents are rising every single day have nothing to do with the fact that brown and black people are in leadership at their companies. we're going back to a 1950s america. i want to be very clear about that. for those of us who have parents,

who have aunts and uncles and communities that are still alive, who remembered what a jim crow america looks like tonight in the chamber, you could look easily to your right, and you can see essentially a monolithic group of folks who look just like one another. and then you went to the left side and you would see what america truly looks like, a beautiful tapestry of all of us who pray differently, who look differently, who come from four corners of the globe to make this country what it is. we know what we all deserve. and i got to say, as a new member of congress, i was shocked at what seemed like a blatant disrespect for the house. and it wasn't coming from representative green. it was coming from the men behind him on the right side who were telling him and yelling, sit down! i mean, it felt like i was watching something in a history class of

racist yelling at an elderly black man challenging the president of the united states not to cut medical care for the sick. what have we become? tomorrow means we organize, we enroll folks in continuous care because medicare and medicare and medicaid are still ours and my state. we can't lose those things. but again, 2026 is too far ahead, folks. got to get on the ground. we got to get proximate. and i believe that that's what we will do. >> and tomorrow you make the threat palpable for people. i want you to take a listen to what senator slotkin had to say about trump on the economy. >> his tariffs on allies like canada will raise prices on energy, lumber and cars and start a trade war that will hurt manufacturing and farmers. your premiums and prescriptions will cost more, because the math on his proposals doesn't work without going after your health care. meanwhile, for those keeping score, the national debt

is going up, not down. and if he's not careful, he could walk us right into a recession. >> congresswoman, are you worried about a recession? >> i think most of the folks in my district are worried about next week. they they are feeling their own recessions right now. for again, a small family of four, two working adults in the bay area and in new york and in texas and in delaware and in west virginia, their rent is more than their net take home. they're struggling to figure out how to move beyond tomorrow. we have a populace which, again, white folks and black folks and latino folks alike who are on snap benefits and they are facing real cuts. listen, i have had as a teen mother over 28 years ago. i know what it's like to receive snap benefits and to have to put food back at the register. millions of americans will be poor and will be sicker

due to trump's policies. that's clear. that's not hyperbole. we know that. and so, no, i'm not going to sit in any space and have the leader of what is and what should always be the free world lie to the folks who are struggling in this country seeking an american dream. it's just not right. we've got to get to work. >> congresswoman one, i think last point that really kind of sums up what this is about in so many respects potatoes, grains, lumber, steel, electronics, cars, fruits, vegetables, beer, liquor, liquor, the things we need, the things we enjoy, the things that are part of our lives, that infuse our communities, in which our entrepreneurs sell these products, in these goods in which our citizens consume them. the economic impact here could be profound, and it's not something that will happen

eight, nine, ten months from now. we're talking literally within weeks as wall street is already out today, warning that this could get ugly real fast. speak if you could, in the moments you have left about that toll that's to come on these communities. and how does your leadership help them get through that? >> well. >> here's what's really real. i'm a single mother, and i know every couple of days i go to the market and i get bananas for breakfast for my little girl. she's a middle schooler. groceries will rise. the cost of goods will rise this month. not next month. this month, next week, you will see a difference. and trump is telling. i don't even have an idea how to decrease prices. or he doesn't even care because he's too never had to figure out how to scrape up money to pay rent. he's never figured out the mental math that

low income families have to make when they're in the grocery aisles. those are not what his cabinet has experienced. and so in they're dictating what poor people and working people need. our folks are going to come up short. but i guarantee you, i guarantee you, the young people that are watching tonight in middle school, you're learning about how the united states has worked to be a kind and just actor globally. well, we're going back. we are going back. we are not the benevolent leader that we have pushed to be. we are taking away food from famine districts. we are literally looking at our allies and saying, you know what? we don't support you anymore. we actually want to work with your aggressor. i got to still believe that the american promise give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. i believe those things. i believe in the constitution. i believe in the civil rights act. i believe in brown versus board of education. i believe in the leaders who said this concept

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there's a lot being thrown at the american people right now, and it is really important to pay attention to it, but it is just as important to recognize how many of those things are getting announced. but they're not happening at all, or at least not yet. just try to remember we are not looking at the final score. we are still in the first quarter. keep your pads on. the game has just begun. >> we're continuing to unpack donald trump's bombastic joint address to congress tonight. y'all, did y'all see that thing? oh my gosh. well, we know our two guests did. basil smikle, democratic strategist and former executive director of the new york state democratic party. he's now an msnbc political analyst and columbia university professor. and also with us is my good buddy, susan del percio, veteran republican strategist and msnbc political analyst.

welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> we've been we've we've said a lot over the last hour. >> especially symone. >> well. >> just trying to keep up with the chairman over here. okay. one of the things we haven't talked about is the fact that there was a we mentioned it in the open. there was a lot of red meat for the base. and i have heard person after person after person on the socials tonight on our network, on other networks say, you know, people voted for the economy, they voted for about the prices of eggs. and he's not bringing those down. they didn't vote for these things he's talking about now. but he talked about these things on the campaign trail. and i think he gave the red meat because the culture wars are not just a distraction. they are, in fact, the playbook. that's why he talked about this idea that there are all these trans women in sports is like, insane. but he dedicated a huge amount of time tonight to talking about that and other, quote unquote, culture war issues. >> i have never. >> believed that it was about the economy. are people struggling? absolutely right. i'm a member of congress. member

sbi is my congress member. so all of the things that he talked about with respect to people not going in the stores and kind of being some desolation on the streets because of the fear of ice and the economy is absolutely true. i see it every day. but it was never about the economy. the man talked. trump talked more about what haitians eat than the price of eggs. the fact that over 100 million birds had had to be euthanized. most of them lay eggs. and no one is talking. >> about that. >> no one is talking about. >> how. to help those farmers. >> no one is really talking about the fact that one of the huge suppliers in long island had to euthanize millions, hundreds of thousands of his animals because of this. no one's talking about that. he certainly is not talking about that. no, instead. >> he's talking about joe biden and the price of oil. >> still. >> 43 days later. >> and you know what? >> look, we this is this msnbc after dark? >> you speak freely. >> speak freely to be the only

way i can couch this is political s&m. he is punishing people, right? he is inflicting pain. >> on people. >> on one hand and then speaking happily and easily about them and talking about their pain and their aspirations, using the culture wars, using that anger, using that fear to gin them up so that they can forget about all the pain that he's been. he has been and will continue to cause. the problem is, as as has been mentioned, that democrats need to be as strident as they were in trying to get rid of joe biden. talking about. >> because they. >> came for joe biden. >> but now. >> they act like, oh, wait, where's my kit kat? they have to be as strident about donald trump and what he's doing and going into these communities. as they were talking about removing a sitting president from the ticket. they have not done that.

and the problem and what's going to happen is you're going to have folks like congressmember who's fantastic that working families party knows what they're doing. there have been leaders of my state, i'm going to say, this is msnbc after dark, right? there will be leaders of my state and other states who have gone out of their way to try to marginalize and get rid of the working families party. but the reality is, they know exactly what to do in situations like this. this is war. this is a war. it's a culture war. it's an economic war. and he got up. he donald trump got up at that podium and talked not to the country, certainly not to democrats. he talked to his he talked to the republicans in the room and the republicans in the in in the viewing audience with no intention of bipartisanship whatsoever. and if we're in that moment in time, you need a, as they say, wartime concierge.

yes, you do. >> and then that's to say, tonight. >> i'm speaking just, you know, see, this is this is a guy who understands the politics of the moment and how that translates into the politics of bigger moments when you move, move the pieces on the chessboard in a way that trump did tonight. because what i took away from this speech was and i really kind of was waiting for you to get here so i could raise this up. >> you need a republican vote. >> i did, i did, i did. >> there's like. two of us. like we got. >> republican corner. but what donald trump did tonight in. so the creating the intersection between the culture wars and the economic populism was laying out a tale of american empire. he is he is talking about an imperial america. yeah. folks, dropping all this stuff about i'm a king

and showing those little, little photos of, you know, drawings and all, all that's part of this narrative. susan, that, that, that donald trump has been feeding his people. and it's almost like the breadcrumbs. keep following me, keep following me, keep following me. >> especially on the economy. >> if you think about. >> it. he laid. >> out all of those culture issues to put out there. i've done this, i've. >> done this. >> follow me here now. >> trust me, it's going to hurt. but don't worry. i feel your pain. but wait. you can follow me. i will. >> get this done. >> for you as well. >> meanwhile. prices are never coming down. >> i mean. >> here's something that. >> we just have. >> to understand about inflation. >> once it hits. >> and prices go. >> up. >> it doesn't come down. the prices don't come. >> back down. >> and i would like to. >> do this. i know it's going to be very unpopular. >> but can we. >> stop talking about the price of eggs. >> in the context. of an. >> economic issue? >> because it's actually. >> due. >> to something else? >> the bird flu. >> the bird flu.

>> and now we. >> can talk about. how donald trump. >> has fired. >> people who are. >> responsible for. >> overseeing the bird flu. >> yes. >> and i'm all. >> in for there. >> but, you know, just like i defended joe. >> biden on. >> certain supply chain. issues during. >> covid. the price of. >> eggs is different. >> and actually. >> i think. >> folks do themselves. >> a. >> disservice focusing on that. >> because right now. >> people are going. into debt paying. >> for their groceries. >> they can't. >> afford the groceries. >> it goes. >> on. >> their credit card. >> guess what. >> keeps going up? >> credit interest. >> rates. >> on your credit card. >> and now. >> 53% of people. >> are going. >> into debt. >> paying their grocery bill. so that's. >> where. >> the rubber hits. >> the road. >> and i'm really looking towards, frankly, march. >> 12th, not march 14th. >> the government shut down. >> march 12th. >> first numbers. >> that. >> come out on inflation under donald trump's watch. >> okay. >> now that's. >> where the. >> follow me comes in. >> i think. >> this is all about setting himself up because between. >> the tariffs and the

inflation. >> rate going up, he's got to say just wait it out. just wait with me. >> i've got your back. >> but it is a follow me and it is only i. >> can. >> do it. >> he said there will be disturbance to. >> the. >> american people. >> you know. >> since i. rebranded the only one at this table that remembers this. to your point about inflation, i remember when gasoline was $0.50 a gallon. >> well, yeah. >> and i'm still waiting for that $0.50 to return, baby, because. >> was. >> that before 1989? $0.50 a gallon. i got upset when it went from from 25 to $0.50. so that's what i'm talking about. basil smikle and susan del percio stick around because we want to talk a little bit more with you. we'll be right back, folks. don't go anywhere. $0.50 a gallon. >> what? >> what? >> i'm waiting for the way i approach work post fatherhood, has really trying to understand the generation that we're building devices for. here in the comcast family, we're building an integrated in-home wifi solution for millions of families like my own.

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>> the audacity. >> of a long riff about unelected bureaucrats and then a standing o for an unelected bureaucrat. >> yeah. you know. >> i was in atlanta talking to a bunch of young men who were interested in running for office, and they asked me about the oval office appearance, and i'm like, yeah, i remember the audacity of taupe. now you've got a guy with a baseball cap on and a cabinet meeting, right? and the question was, do we normally see the influence of this, this money in politics? and i said, you know, there's money in politics which you don't normally see is the puppet pulling the strings. and that is exactly what you see with with elon musk and donald trump. elon musk is in charge, donald trump is not in charge. and day after day after day, i get text messages from my friends in the federal government saying their departments are being completely gutted and there's no rhyme or

reason for it. they're just picking out people or looking at numbers and just getting rid of them, not understanding the value of or the gravity of the work that they're doing, including people at the fda, including folks that actually keep us safe, the myriad programs and people that keep this bureaucracy running are so that we can go on with our lives and not have to pay attention to those fine details because they're good people who are public servants that are doing exactly that. and elon musk, who is being held up, there's probably going to be a statue of him somewhere sometime soon in dc. i hope they actually don't put. >> i hope the mayor weighs. >> in. weighs in on that. but but but the fact that that he is he has this outsized role in our governance. not not not just in our politics, but in our governance should be scaring everybody. >> can i just note that the government in court, the trump administration's government in court because people are outside groups, are suing over doge and what they are doing in the federal government, the in

court, they have said that, well, elon musk is not the head of doge. and then finally they named someone amy gleason when she was in mexico, when she found out that she was actually the head of doge. so she came back. she lives in tennessee. so also didn't, you know, return to the office, i guess. but now what donald trump said today goes directly in the face of what his administration is defending in court. and there's going to be real implications for that. we already have reporting that folks have already flagged the judge. hey, judge, i don't know if you saw this tonight, but they lied. >> yeah, well. >> that's what. >> but that's what they've been doing. and so they've been able you leave it long enough and donald trump will spill the beans because he can't help himself. he's going to brag about the thing that he's done. and that's what he did in that moment. he was bragging about, hey, i got you, elon. he's in charge of everything. oh, snap. we weren't supposed to say that out loud, were we? so that's that's kind of where we are. but where does this say let's get to

tomorrow? since it's today, what happens next? what do you think as we as we sort of trundle our way to march 12th, march 14th, the debt conversation starts to heat up more emphasis and focus on closing, shutting the government down. elon musk wants to shut down the government. >> yes he does. >> donald trump is probably agnostic on it. you know, depending on if he can get a transaction out of it. yeah, he'd be for it if but otherwise, to basil's point, musk is the one who's really kind of navigating and driving this right now. >> to a point. >> and we can't forget he does this. >> because donald. >> trump abdicated the right to him. >> fine. >> but donald trump. >> can end it. >> so as soon as the numbers start going against him. >> yeah. >> then donald trump stops the elon musk full. >> stop and elon musk will listen. >> because guess what? >> he has billions of dollars in

government contracts. >> so yes. >> he's in charge. >> of it. like any cabinet. >> position is. >> in charge. >> of an agency. but who's held accountable? it should. >> be the. >> president. >> i think. i think he's getting. >> off to. >> donald trump's getting off. >> way too. >> easy on these cuts by saying it's. >> elon musk. >> i would put it all. >> back on trump. >> now. >> where do we go going forward? >> i actually think. >> if you're going. >> to look towards. >> shutting down the government, i think donald. trump is. >> perfectly fine making a deal with the democrats to spend more money. he doesn't care. >> he likes debt. >> he will make. that deal. >> because right before that we talked about the inflation. >> numbers coming out. the economy is. >> not there. he knows he's. >> going to be blamed for. >> a shutdown. >> why? >> oh, because it happened. >> twice before. >> so he knows. >> how this play ends and. >> he will make a deal with the democrats. >> because again what does he have. >> to lose. >> he's not even talking to them right now though. like that doesn't matter. >> he doesn't have to talk to him. he just has. >> to say to his folks, what do they need? what do they want? what do they want? what can.

>> you have to. >> give him? >> there's there'll be no oval office meeting. >> which is the problem. >> that's that's. >> the point. it's a problem. >> but there's a. >> you know, there's we could talk about the process and we could talk what's probably going to happen. >> well, well, that's the issue. because if he does make a deal with the democrats, then the folks are like, why did you cut this deal? right? why did you work with him? because you are now forced to do that and he forced you to do that. so now you have to give in to him. and look, there's the old adage, maybe it's my west indian family, i don't know. those that can't hear must feel. and at this point in time, and i don't wish this on anybody. but the reality is, if the democrats are going to take a stand, a lot of people are going to have to feel some pain to understand the level of what donald trump is doing, the fact that he's willing to go to any extent to shut down government, to cause people pain so he can come back and be their savior, that's what he wants to be. and if we don't wake, if and what i don't want

to see is us play his game, change the conversation, change the rules of engagement. and if we're not doing if we're not doing that, then he is going to pull us down this path that we cannot get, can't get back from. >> but but don't you. >> think if you. >> right now. >> if the. >> democrats were doing what. >> donald trump was. >> doing, which was raising. >> $1 million. >> a person, now maybe they. >> can't raise. >> it in that money. but for a super pac. >> he's looking to. >> have $500 million. >> by this summer. >> why the democrats didn't. >> launch a. >> campaign tonight. >> on social security. >> why aren't they? i mean, like a real campaign? >> i don't. >> mean. >> like talking points and raising things and wearing colors. i mean. >> where are the ads? >> they should. >> be out. >> tomorrow morning. >> they know how to turn around this stuff fast and go after him like they are running. >> a campaign for. >> president today. >> absolutely right. and i've said this before. he was sending mail to black voters in the midwest saying democrats were going to take away your menthol

cigarettes like it gets that local and that devious. i mean, we should we should have been doing that already. even if it's not mail, it could be digital. whatever it is, we need to be developing our own set of influencers, people that are out there talking direct to camera, just breaking things down. now, there was this there was a well. >> you know. >> well, wait. >> we have malcolm kenyatta up next, who's a vice chair of the democratic national committee. so we're going to ask him because just. >> one thing. >> you have. >> to. >> take it. >> to the states. they can't be doing this stuff in d.c. >> that's exactly right. i don't because i do not think it's a d.c. based resistance. it's it is not. i think voters and particularly young voters have no trust of anything coming out of d.c. it has to be hyperlocal. so what i would love the party to do, and i know it can do this, but it's got to do this. it's got to start training young influencers because the majority of the ones that are out there now are men, and they're mostly conservative and 77% not connected to a news organization

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>> joining us now, dnc vice chair malcolm kenyatta. welcome. >> oh well. well you've heard. >> it tonight. >> good evening. >> i don't know where we. >> are. >> but good to see. >> you before we dive into everything. just your response. i know you heard our last conversation. i'm wondering what you think about this, this plea that folks have from democrats to do a little more. are there ads being cut as we speak about social security that we'll see from the democratic national committee tomorrow? tell us what you know, mr. vice chair. >> let me, let me let me tell you what i, what i watch. and i know you've been. >> talking about it. >> for a while now. >> the president got up there. and showed nothing but but his behind his remarks were lousy. they were long and they were. and they were full of lies. and he spent, you know, time that we will never get back completely ignoring the american. >> people, ignoring. >> the things. >> that they really care about. >> and so to your point, are we going to be clipping that, that

speech and getting that out to everybody? and i'm fact checking him and continuing to tell the american people what's on the line for them. you can bet your bottom dollar we're going to do that, and we're going to be creative. >> about how. >> we do that. i'm just today you saw after the speech the democrats had a spin room with influencers who were talking to members of congress. i know chair martin was talking to many folks today on a. variety of different. platforms leading into this speech. and i'm talking to you this morning, and we're going to keep talking to the american people about this guy who is an abject failure. donald trump has failed at everything in his life, and he's treating this country like one of his little businesses. and, you know, we don't need to see that happen here in america. >> malcolm, what did you think was the most damning part of that speech? >> the fact that. >> this guy spent more time attacking americans than he did, talking about. >> the. >> fact that people cannot afford their lives. i mean, i

know that so much. of politics, unfortunately, has. become politician a says this, politician b says this. let's cover their argument. but there. >> are people. >> who are never going to get interviewed on msnbc, never going to be interviewed by cnn, never going to be. highlighted in a focus group who can't. afford their. >> damn lives. >> who are going to wake. >> up tomorrow morning. >> and maybe they were able to afford the. $10 eggs who are maybe or maybe not going to be able to drop their kids off at daycare, who maybe. >> or maybe not are going to. >> be able to cover. >> their health care. >> and the president didn't talk. >> about it at all. you know, i'm. >> a big eagles fan. and our super bowl winning coach, nick sirianni, would say all the time, you got to keep the main thing, the main thing and the main thing is donald trump. and just six weeks has made life more expensive, has made america. >> sicker. >> has made us weaker. and he got up on that stage and. >> just lied.

>> to the american people. the only american energy that was unleashed was the full gaslighting that we saw in front of our face. vice chair, i'm loving. i'm loving the bite of your palate right now. this is great. i love the energy, and i think a lot of i won't say the democratic base. i will say americans because i know a number of republicans and a number of independent voters are looking for that bite and that fight in this moment for them. so what you just articulated, i think, is very powerful. turning of the corner. basil said something that i thought was very, very important. and that is if the democrats show the energy going after donald trump, half the energy going after donald trump, that they showed going after joe biden, that's

what this fight is about. and so your leadership is a fresh turn in that regard. how do you see sustaining that over time as we get into the dog days of spring and summer? and, you know, attentions wane. and, you know, i got to get into that get in shape for the summer, right? everybody's got a distraction. how do you keep that energy going? because as i, simone and i were talking a little before the battleground for the for the 26 house and senate, u.s. senate started tonight. >> let me. >> say two things. the first is people should be. >> off. >> people should. >> be off that you have a guy. >> who spends every single. >> day. every single day. >> ripping away the things. >> that we. all deserve. >> to have. like he's. firing the people. >> who make sure. >> you. >> don't poison your. >> kids when you sit them down. >> for dinner.

>> in the six. >> weeks he's been in. >> office, planes are near. >> missing every. >> day. >> falling out of the damn sky. >> people's social. >> security and medicaid and medicare that they. >> paid into. >> is at risk. >> and so i'm not going to tell. >> anybody to not be upset about what's going on. >> to not be upset. >> about a guy who's trying. >> to sell our government. >> for parts. to whatever billionaire will say the nicest things about him because somebody didn't love. him as a kid. >> so, yeah, you should. >> be upset about that. >> but i think a lot about this. show that i don't really watch, but that. >> my. >> husband watches and i'm forced to listen to if i want to sit on my damn couch. and one of the main characters in the show said something in one of the episodes i. >> was. >> overhearing where. >> she said, we have to. >> find a way. >> to be. >> angry with each other and not at each other. we should be crystal clear. every single democrat voted against these massive tax breaks for billionaires, voted against cutting medicaid by almost a billion, almost $1 trillion.

excuse me. voted against. >> cutting food. >> stamps by. almost $250 billion. >> democrats stood. >> firm, voted against it, every single one. and so. >> i want to stop. >> treating donald trump and republicans as if they. are some children who need to be stopped. by democrats. or why did democrats let trump do? trump is a. grown man who doesn't care. >> about the american people. that's why he's doing the things that he's doing. he is a grown man and. >> a weakling. >> that's why he's. >> doing. >> the things. he's doing. and if these, you know, state. >> of the unions. >> or joint. addresses are. >> a. sort of moment for us to stop and ask about the state of the country, donald trump. >> has failed. >> the only person donald trump has performed well for is the guy who is leading his internship on elon musk and vladimir putin. >> those are the. >> only people who give donald trump a passing grade. everybody else is getting the crap kicked out of them every single day. but we have to keep the main thing, the main thing.

>> democrats are the party. >> of working people. >> and working families. we are the party that created the modern social safety net, and we're. >> going to do everything. >> we can, not waiting until 2026. but there are two special elections happening in florida, and we're going to do everything we can to focus on those races and races that happen. special elections. >> there's a special election in. pennsylvania right. >> now to make sure joanna mcclinton remains the speaker of the pennsylvania. >> house. >> of representatives. there's a lot of work to do, and we have to do that work together, and we. >> have. >> to keep our focus on donald trump and the republicans who know better, who know better, but are allowing him to get away with this stuff. all right, i'm ready. all right. grown man. malcolm kenyatta, vice chair of the dnc. thank you so much, man. >> thank you, my friends. >> take care. >> you know, you you made the point while we. >> were on break. >> this is the president of the united states returning to the scene of the crime. yeah. this is the first time he's been at the capitol since january 6th,

since he was on the ellipse. and he told all those folks to go to the capitol, donald trump, that he hasn't been back there since then. so usually when the perpetrator of the criminal returns to the scene of the crime, there are consequences. there are no consequences for him tonight. there may not be any consequences in the future if the people do not see and hear often repeated what he said tonight, and the real implications of what this means for their lives. but, you know, this wasn't just on cable news, every single outlet. it was his first time in the house chamber. i will note, since, you know, january 6th. but it wasn't just on cable news. it was on every single local fox, abc, nbc, cbs network. and that means something. >> well, you know, i think in terms of, you know, returning to the scene of the crime, what is striking about that point is that the people who were on the floor cowering and angry and

afraid for their lives, who would then the next day and the days after that, stand and condemn the president of the united states for allowing that to happen and in fact, instigating it to happen tonight. applauding, laughing, us saying the very man that they condemned four years ago. >> one of. >> the best parts i thought of alyssa slotkin's remarks was understanding that people right now want to call to action. the people want to know what to do. and she gave them three steps don't tune out, which is hard. yeah, keep the tv on, but necessary to hold your elected officials accountable. we are seeing that in these town halls. we are seeing it with the fact that phones are ringing off the hook and organize in your community. i will say the moms chat in my neighborhood was not talking about this address tonight. it was talking about the fact that there are three cases of measles in the county north of us. it is. and that's

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