>> the first part of it felt a lot. >> like kind of a chatgpt rehash. >> of the inaugural address. >> honestly. >> the other part of it that stood out to me. >> though, you know, obviously trump likes making. >> some. >> good tv. >> there were some clearly. >> feel good moments up in the crowd. >> but i was. >> waiting the entire. >> time for. >> i am. >> waiting for congress. >> to pass something. >> and it ended. >> up being. >> basically just the tax bill. >> i think. >> i may be wrong. >> on that, but he. >> did. >> plug the tax cuts. >> and we're still. >> not. >> getting many specifics other than across the board. no taxes on. >> tips, okay. >> and they're not even sure that they'll be able to include that because it's already a very thorny process on getting those tax cuts. jake lahut, thank you, as always, for joining us and in person this time. we love that. that was way too early for this wednesday morning. morning joe starts right now. >> man. this is i got to be honest with you. this is my. >> by the way, i think the. >> speech is going to be great,

but i don't know how you do this for 90 minutes. >> the hardest thing was doing. >> it during. >> biden when the speech. >> was that stupid. >> campaign speech. and i'd just like to know about it. >> joe biden, the worst president in american history. i look at the democrats in front of me, and i realize there is absolutely nothing i can say to make them happy, or to make them stand or smile or applaud. nothing i can do. we have ended weaponized government where, as an example, a sitting president is allowed to viciously prosecute his political opponent like me. how did that work out? not too good. >> not too good. >> as you know, we inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe and an inflation nightmare. woman named stacey abrams. have you ever heard of her? softbank, one of

the most brilliant anywhere in the world, announced a $200 billion investment. open ai and oracle larry ellison announced $500 billion investment, which they wouldn't have done if kamala had won in recent years our justice system has been turned upside down by radical left lunatics. the united states has sent hundreds of billions of dollars to support ukraine's defense, with no security, with no anything. do you want to keep it going for another five years? yeah, yeah, you would say pocahontas says yes. >> a decidedly partizan address

from president trump last night before a joint session of congress. good morning, and welcome to morning joe. it is wednesday, march. >> 5th. >> with joe. >> willie and me. >> we have the co-host of our fourth hour and contributing writer at the atlantic, jonathan lemire, the host of way too early, ali vitali and co-founder of axios, mike allen. joe, what a night. what did you make of it? >> well, you know, i just i just heard on ali's show one of the one of the best summaries, it really was almost like it was written by chatgpt. i mean, that's jake said that i was thinking fifth verse. same as first, second, third, fourth. willie, you know it. you know, there were the insults, there were the taunts, there were the exaggerations. there was a partizanship top to bottom. there was a personal attacks,

attacking people by name. and of course, the facts that were just wrong. >> whether it. >> was the united states spending more money. >> on. >> ukraine or calling himself the greatest president with the greatest start. oh, by the way, did you hear that? >> number two was. >> george washington? i have, i have i have not seen the historical treatise on that yet. but that's what president trump said last night. and of course, the question early on, why can't democrats just stand up and clap and be nice? this, of course, after he'd already taken to insulting them and calling joe biden the worst president in american history. i'm quite confident, quite confident that ten, 20 years from now, when. they're ranking presidents, joe biden will be doing very well, along. with other other presidents that have actually

gotten bipartisan things accomplished. but i will say, willie, for me. so there's just so much nonsense. i cannot believe an independent voter wouldn't look at, look at this speech and just turn it off and just go, enough's enough. there was a little bit of news, though, and that was on ukraine. i think that probably was really the only news that came out of this last night that was really significant, and that is that donald trump said the peace talks were back on and they were moving toward a peaceful settlement. yeah. president trump said he got a letter. >> from president. >> zelensky saying he's ready, despite what happened in the oval office last friday, ready to sit down and have these conversations to work out that minerals deal, and also to begin to negotiate an end to the war. so if you're looking for some kernel of news, it wasn't really news, but at least there was something in there. but yeah, otherwise felt like a campaign speech, as we predicted. you and

i here yesterday, joe. in fact, in some cases, going back to a 2016 campaign speech with insults to elizabeth warren, just catching some strays there in the chamber, and the fact checkers had a very busy night. we're going to go through a bunch of. >> the stuff. >> that the president said, which simply is untrue or is an exaggeration or needs much, much more context. and of course, he was ever going to provide, but that it was what we thought it was going to be. it was donald trump saying that. >> he has. >> already started this golden age, despite the six weeks of chaos that we have witnessed, joe and democrats sitting there in some ways kind of futilely holding up their auction paddles or their whiteboards in protest of the president. yeah, democrats. >> are still not. >> exactly sure how to respond. sometimes not. well, i'll i'll leave it to democrats to figure out how they respond, but they certainly still don't seem to have any any game plan, though i

will say the response. seemed effective. mika, as we go to issues, i just began last night, was really like a campaign rally. it was called by brit hume, senior fox news political analyst, and it's been doing this for 40 years at least. he called it the most partizan speech ever held in that chamber. and i think it also was the longest. but as we talk about the two policies that were hanging over that speech, that didn't really get much of a mention. one, of course, with the tariffs. that saw the market go down again significantly yesterday, it keeps going down. and the second was ukraine. and i will say the top two opinion pieces in the wall street journal opinion page. the top one talks about the tariffs and how the tariffs are going to pound the very people who voted for donald trump. they're going to disproportionately. hurt farmers.

>> they're going to. >> disproportionately hurt working americans that voted for donald trump. they're going to disproportionately. hurt people in swing states. and he said mr. try. mr. trump's tariff spree is the triumph of ideology over well common sense. let's hope the president soon comes to his senses. and then they talk about j.d. vance's forgotten wars. and they the subhead there is maybe next time, don't insult stalwart allies during a tv interview. it would have been nice for that to be cleaned up last night when britain. and by the way, the entire ideological divide in britain, outraged by the fact that the. british stood shoulder to shoulder with americans through one war after another died and jd vance mocking them, and the wall street journal editorial page taking issue with

that, too. those are real issues that are going on. now. let's talk, though, about this pep rally that was held last night. that, again, was on on. it was just very short on news. >> yeah. there's been some criticism. the democrats. >> holding up what. >> what have been called bingo cards. >> i actually. >> i think that the signs that say false, it's very hard to keep up sometimes with the falsehoods and i you know, i. >> thought that was the only way to do it at that. >> point when you have falsehoods being spoken, it's important to point that out. by the way, i'm in abu dhabi, where i am chair of. the fourth annual. >> 3050 summit, and. >> we'll have a lot more on that a little later. but back to the speech. president trump spent much of his speech criticizing former president biden's economy and its policies, calling them the worst ever. >> as you know, we inherited from the last administration an

economic catastrophe and an inflation nightmare. >> the reality when president biden left office, america's gdp was set to grow faster than all of its peer countries, according to the international monetary fund. america's economy was also described as the envy of the world by the economist, which added america, quote, let left other rich countries in the dust. president trump also made some dubious claims on inflation. >> their policies drove up energy prices, pushed up grocery costs and drove the necessities of life out of reach for millions and millions of americans. they've never had anything like it. we suffered the worst inflation in 48 years, but perhaps even in the history of our country, they're not sure. >> so that claim is partially

false. >> while the inflation. >> rate hit its highest peak since 1981, in. >> june of. >> 2022, it wasn't. >> the worst in history. >> that was right after world. >> war one, when it reached roughly 24%. >> it should. >> also be. >> noted that by the time biden left office, inflation had fallen to roughly 3%. joe. >> and again, i guess we have to point all this out. i mean, i think our viewers are smart enough to know it. but again. america's economy was the envy of the world and our inflation rate lower than almost all of our allies. since bringing right now former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst steve rattner. steve. >> i. >> get it's so elementary. i it's kind of boring to me to have to just state something that is quite so obvious, but it becomes necessary the morning after so many things that are said that are just not true,

especially about the economy, the economy, by just about every standard. >> was stronger. >> than every economy in the world. as mika said, as the economist has said, as, as as people leaders across the world have said, the united states economy the envy of the world. before donald trump got into office, it's not looking quite that way right now because of the fear of tariffs, the stock market going down, the economy slowing down, consumer. >> confidence. >> slowing down, people on. wall street afraid to move forward. >> with. >> mergers and acquisitions because of the. fear of the unknown. we could continue to go on. but again, the reality is starkly. >> different than what we. >> heard last night. >> yeah. >> joe, obviously, obviously, trump contorts the facts to fit his narrative, but he did that with abandon last night. he did inherit an extraordinarily strong economy from joe biden. obviously we had covid. obviously that wasn't good. we

suffered some inflation. so did all of our trading partners. our inflation was no worse than theirs. it has come down sharply. and now trump is applying a set of kind of incoherent policies to the situation that, in my opinion, anyway, are more likely to make things worse. you've got the tariffs, which we can talk some more about. you've got his budget plans, which would explode the deficit, reward rich people and so forth. and so it's not a set of policies that is that appears on the surface anyway, likely to actually improve the economy. and i think it runs a reasonable chance of making the economy worse. inflation is going to be a problem. it's going to make it much harder for the federal reserve to bring interest rates down. the trump policies are inflationary, notwithstanding what he says. and so he's starting office, i think, in a considerably weaker period in a way, than he did last time in that he's got to bring he's his job should have been to bring

this economy into a nice landing and get it back fully functioning. but instead he's going off into these rabbit holes of tariffs and this and that, that i think will will end badly for him. >> expensive rabbit holes. and we're going to get to your charts in just a few minutes steve joe is right jonathan 100 minutes. the longest speech ever before congress by an american president breaking bill clinton's record by 11 minutes. his 2000 state of the union address. just for the record there, trump did acknowledge when talking about tariffs the term he used was a little disturbance, to put it mildly. there's going to be a little disturbance to the economy when these tariffs are really felt by consumers and people who make cars and everything else. but clearly standing by them, 25% on our biggest trading partners to the north and the south. we did. hear from some republicans, john thune yesterday saying these tariffs are going to be temporary. don't worry. >> they're going to go away. >> we're just trying to extract something on fentanyl, for

example, and containing that at the border hearing from howard lutnick as well. you know, people trying to mitigate what trump. >> is doing. >> are they concerned when you talk to them about the impact of these tariffs? >> yeah. one of. >> the defining. >> images of. >> the day. >> yesterday was. that most. >> cable companies were showing the stock market ticket in the corner. >> like. >> real time. >> seeing it go. >> down as the day. >> went on. >> and you. >> mentioned the commerce secretary, howard lutnick, gave an interview. >> with fox. >> late in the day suggesting that the tariffs on canada and mexico. >> might. >> even be reduced slightly. >> today. >> already suggesting that they. might alleviate some of this. and that's what i was hearing. all day yesterday, talking to people in the white house in the trump orbit. >> that they. >> they are a little rattled by how this is being received. they're not going to back off entirely. >> obviously. >> we heard from the president last night. this is part of his economic program, a big part of it, something he's believed. >> in. >> for a long time. but it's not being well received by the markets or by, as you mentioned, several republicans who were there. and ali. >> you know, this was. >> there's actually shockingly little news in the speech last night. yes. >> a. >> little bit on ukraine. just

the talks would restart again. but that's because zelensky earlier in the day had said he wants them and. said and aides said they would. revisit this minerals deal. it's not done yet though, and certainly nothing really concrete towards any. >> sort. >> of ceasefire. it was, though, a speech marked in the 100 and, you know, 100 odd minutes or so that trump was up there with dozens upon dozens of falsehoods, including a long recitation of false claims about social security. and we know that there was cries from the democrats in the audience, including the got one lawmaker kicked out saying that don't touch medicaid. you don't have a mandate to do that. so let's talk about that right now, because that seems to hover over all of this. yes, elon musk got cheered in that room yesterday, but there's seemingly a growing discontent and worry, at least among some republicans that i've talked to, that this administration might be going too far, too fast. >> well, too far. >> too fast. >> and specifically. >> when it comes. >> to potential medicaid. >> cuts, that's actually in the hands of. >> congress right now, because there's 800. >> some odd billion. >> in cuts that are detailed. >> right now. >> specifically to the energy. >> and. >> commerce committee. through the reconciliation process. we

watched the. >> house. >> jump the first hurdle on getting into the real building blocks. >> of that bill. >> that's going to be the vehicle for many of. >> trump's campaign. >> promises to be turned into legislation. and so there is some. consternation when it comes to medicaid cuts. and part of the reason. >> that speaker. johnson had. >> such a hurdle in getting through the initial procedural vote on this is because. >> some more moderate. >> members within his conference were coming to him, saying. >> that they were concerned. >> about the on the ground impact to their constituents who rely. >> on programs. >> like medicaid. so we're watching to see how they actually. >> end up building. >> that. legislation in real time. but i also thought with. democrats last night, and. >> i'm sure mike allen. >> you saw this too. there was really a striking dissonance. i think the debate that we often hear from. democrats of how best to respond. >> what should. >> it look like? should it be an all out resistance? should it. >> be something that's more tepid? >> should we be swinging? >> not at. >> every punch. we saw that on display last night, as even. >> congressman al green. >> got kicked. >> out. >> at the very beginning. >> of the speech. >> but then you have elissa slotkin.

>> giving a. >> more muted response in a state that trump won, but also that elected her. >> no, ali. >> that's exactly right, because. >> these members know that. >> a lot of what trump is talking. >> about is popular. and the idea. >> of what he is talking about is popular in many cases. we have a column up on axios right now by jim. vandehei and mean. >> trump on steroids. and what. we saw was 9900. >> words, 100 minutes of trump being trump. trump powering. >> past those literal headlines. >> that we just saw. and sketching what he sees. >> as his. >> golden age. >> no tax on chips, no tax on overtime, no tax on social security. i think this was a new one. no tax on car interest payments on cars that are made. in america. >> and he's saying. >> more chips. the best ships. >> more cars. >> and the caveat to that the. reality check of that. >> is that. >> like these are. contradicted

by so much of the data that we're seeing. and he is. >> saying that he's going to. >> set this. >> high bar. and stick with it. >> yeah. >> all right. still ahead on morning joe, we're going to go live to cnbc for a closer look at how president trump's tariffs continue to impact wall street and the u.s. economy. plus, democratic congresswoman debbie dingell joins us with her thoughts on the president's speech last night. also, i'm here in abu dhabi for the know your value. >> and. >> forbes fourth annual 3050 summit, just ahead of international women's day, which is on saturday. it's going to be an action packed week. we're going to hear from trailblazers including actress freida pinto, olympic swimmer and syrian refugee yusra mardini. investor alexis ohanian and many more. our summit comes at a time when there are immense challenges for

women around the. >> world. >> the rollback of health care, persistent inequality, wars around the world and our summit kicked off this morning with a service day where 3050 attendees mentored young students here at a local school, and one of those mentors included emmy award winning actress and activist sheryl lee ralph, who met with drama students. >> and. >> shared many pearls. >> of wisdom. >> forbes, randall lane and i also spoke to the students about advocating for themselves with confidence and the importance of recognizing their worth, male allyship, and much more. it was a very special day of giving back to the next generation. here at the crossroads. >> of the world. >> we'll have more here from the 35th summit in the days to come, including my interviews with sheryl lee ralph, deepika padukone, one of hollywood's highest paid actresses, and economists, linda rama, human rights advocate and wife of the prime minister of albania.

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>> it isn't like they've. >> said, okay, look, here's the schedule. >> here's the tariff. like when. >> you were in europe and they did. >> brexit, you got the schedule. you got the tariff. you said, okay, i owe this. they haven't given us anything. we don't know what we. >> owe, what. >> we don't know. we don't know where it's paid. we don't know if it isn't paid. do we owe them? who owes it? does the buyer, i mean, the lack of any thought about this, david is stunning. >> cnbc anchor jim cramer reacting yesterday to those tariffs put in place by president trump, describing the situation as vast confusion. president trump briefly touched on those tariffs. during his. address to congress last night. >> tariffs are about making america rich again and making america great again. and it's happening and it will happen rather quickly. they'll be a little disturbance. but we're okay with that. it won't be much. no you're not. oh. >> earlier in. >> the day, canadian prime minister justin trudeau blasted the tariffs, announcing canada is striking back with its own

25% tariff on $155 billion worth of u.s. goods. >> 19 canadians are reasonable and we are polite, but. >> we will not back down. >> from a fight. >> now it's. >> not in. my habit to agree. >> with the wall street journal. but donald. >> they point out. >> that. >> even though. >> you're a very smart guy, this is a. very dumb. thing to do. >> back on capitol hill, senate majority leader john thune was asked about the impact of president trump's tariffs on american consumers. >> i think these. >> tariffs are. >> oriented around. >> a specific. >> objective. >> in this case. >> to reduce. >> the amount of. fentanyl coming. >> into this. >> country across our northern. >> and southern borders. >> and. >> you know, so these. >> tariffs i think are hopefully temporary. >> let's bring in the anchor of cnbc's worldwide exchange, frank coghlan. frank. good morning. >> so we. >> saw what happened in the market yesterday. how is this playing around the world. this

unpredictable set of tariffs. >> hey good morning. you know. first off if. >> you don't mind i'll go back to. >> what cramer had to say. cramer, always a leading voice on wall street is really echoing the sentiment of a lot of traders i'm talking. >> to as well. >> to paraphrase a very. >> famous cramer quote, a lot of traders feel like they. know nothing a lot of. uncertainty out there. but with that. >> in. >> mind, we. >> are. >> seeing a. >> bounce back in. >> futures this morning. look at the. >> s&p up over a half a. >> percent in the futures. >> some believe this. >> bounce. >> is largely. >> due to comments from the commerce secretary. howard lutnick. >> who said. >> that he believed that the president would work. >> something out. >> when it came to tariffs and that. >> there. >> could be a compromise. not a lot of details, but letnick. >> saying he believes that. >> something could be. >> worked out. but it's a bit of a double edged sword. it comes. >> as the s&p. >> yesterday lost all. >> of its post-election. >> gains, now negative. >> since the. >> election and overall since the election. >> according to j.p. >> morgan, about $3. >> trillion in. >> market value just wiped out. tariffs continue to be a dominant theme in the market today. perhaps off of those comments we're seeing a bounce back in a lot of stocks including auto makers auto makers trading a lot higher this

morning. but yesterday we heard from the target ceo saying that tariffs they. >> could increase. >> the cost of produce as soon as. this week. some interesting data from wells fargo just a. few days ago. >> households making. >> more than 150,000. they are cutting back. >> on spending. >> according to wells fargo data. more than half of them are cutting back on spending. >> due to inflation. >> and rising costs. and that could be. >> especially concerning. >> for the u.s. economy and for the markets globally. those higher end spenders here in the us, they've really been powering the economy. >> in. >> recent years. according to moody's, the top 10% of earners. >> in the. >> us, they account for about half of all spending. so a lot of questions about how tariffs are going to continue to impact not only the economy but the markets. this morning a bit of a bounce back perhaps on hope that some type of compromise could be reached. but again not a lot of details. and you guys just. >> played some. >> of the president's comments from last night. one word that stuck out to me unrelenting. that's what he talked about when he talked about his policy. >> yeah. and the wall street journal op ed page. >> which. >> we've been talking about a lot the last few days. and you heard prime minister trudeau talk about yesterday. this morning, trump's tariffs whack trump voters, explaining.

>> directly how. >> the tariffs, if they are left in place, will hurt the very people who elected donald trump. cnbc's frank holland. frank, thank you as always. all right, steve, you're over at the southwest wall with your charts. your first one just puts in very. starkly how big. >> these tariffs. >> really are in the context of history. >> yeah. well trump did some tariffs during trump 1.0 as you know. and i wanted to show how those compare to what he's doing now as well as to history. so if you come over here you can hear at the time we had not a lot of movement on tariffs. and then trump came in. tariffs were a beautiful thing. we got the whole speech back then. but he actually did limit a lot what he did to a few products a few countries. and of course remember that he negotiated the usmca, the new free so-called free trade agreement between canada and mexico, which is now in effect, ripped up. but in any event, and then biden actually brought them down a bit. and these new tariffs on china, on

mexico and on canada have brought our average tariff rate to over 10%. and just to put that in perspective, this is the highest tariff rate we have had since world war two. the whole history of post-world war two was bringing tariffs down, bring countries together, making them economically more integrated as a means also of having more peace and less likelihood that one of them would attack another. and now trump has gone the other way. he's doing this against the backdrop that is not ideal inflation. we can debate who's fault inflation is. he certainly took a shot at biden last night. but inflation has come down. but it's kind of stuck around 3%. and the fed's target is 4%. and this has implications for interest rates. it will be very hard for the fed to cut interest rates further with inflation stuck around 3% and even going up a little bit. meanwhile, and more significantly, inflation

expectations play a big role in what actually happens, what people project is going to happen, and they behave on the basis of what they think is going to happen, can actually become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. right now, consumers are expecting 4.3% inflation. and with a couple of exceptions. that's the highest it's been since in the post covid period. and tariffs have played a big role in this. people do. it has penetrated the public consciousness that tariffs are inflationary. and they are now looking at more inflation, which simply makes the fed's job harder. >> and that's probably steve because they are inflationary. so as we move to your second chart, as you and others. have said ad nauseum, almost every economist will. >> tell you if. >> you put these kind of tariffs in place, things are just going to be more expensive. so what are you looking at there? >> yeah. and i'll say just one more time, at the risk of being too ad nauseam, that tariffs are like a national sales tax. they increase the price of what americans pay for goods that come from overseas. and so

here's a study from the budget lab that looks at some of the categories where the price increases are likely to be the biggest. not surprisingly, they're categories where we import large, if not the bulk of what americans buy. consumer, consumer computers and electronics, we know, are not really made here very much. and so those imports are going to potentially drive the prices of those up 10.6% leather products. you could almost look at this list as a proxy for what we don't make anywhere and else. and therefore we have to import it. leather products, electrical equipment, wearing apparel, especially motor vehicles, are very complicated in terms of what's made here, what's made in china, what's made in japan and what's imported from elsewhere. and textiles. we don't make much of here and so on and so forth. and so what is the effect on the average american consumer? as i've said repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, and you've said it, it is a form of national sales tax. according to

the budget lab again, nonpartisan group. they think that the average cost to an american will be about $1,800 a year from these tariffs. and of course, if you impose more tariffs, the costs will go up. and not surprisingly, again, these tariffs hit poor people. the most people down at the bottom in the lowest 10%. we don't even have data. but the second 10% of people who are people well down the food chain, they're going to lose 2.4% of their income. but as you get up toward the top, where people are buying all kinds of different things and they're not as dependent on on imports from these countries, down 0.9%. and i would just add, maybe i should have had a bar on it here that for you, all you guacamole lovers out there. yes. virtually every avocado is imported from mexico and the price of avocados are likely to go up 25%. so i would suggest buying your very, very quickly. >> steve bringing it home. also,

let's not forget beer and tequila. i mean, we can add that as long as we're talking about guacamole. all right, let's move to your third star. third chart. steve. the economy softening a bit. you touched on consumer expectations, consumer confidence and stubborn inflation. what are you seeing? >> yeah. consumers are not stupid. and so they they do read the news process. and however they process it and have become more pessimistic. now, not surprisingly, in the partizan world we live in, after the election, consumer confidence among republicans shot up. it is now plateaued. consumer confidence by democrats shot down. but if you want to take the neutral party in the middle, which is independents and an average of all this, on balance, americans have become much more nervous about the economy. consumer sentiment has dropped below the 70 line, which is a kind of good line, you know, good versus bad line. and so we're now kind of in the bad territory of consumer sentiment. and you can say, okay, well

that's just what consumers think. and consumers are always pessimistic. and we know the numbers are now more people still believe we're on the wrong track and so on and so forth. but, you know, money talks. and so let's see what consumers are doing with their money and what they're doing with their money is they're not spending it right now that in january, they cut their monthly change in spending by the most amount. they've cut it by in a long time. we've only had one other quarter in which it went down like that. and so it is it is a worrisome time. the stock market has jitters. there are other worrying signs in the economy. trump is taking office at a rather precarious time in the economy. and so when you combine that with a lot of his policies that are, frankly, economically incoherent, it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. >> all right. morning, joe. economic analyst steve rattner bringing the charts and the truth as always, steve, thanks so much. we appreciate it. you know, john, it's interesting to hear publicly and john thune's. >> case right there. >> but even privately talking to republicans, they're not really making an economic case.

>> for these tariffs. >> they're saying, well, it's a negotiating tool to stop. >> the. >> flow of fentanyl at the border. it's a negotiating tool to get them to put more troops at the border. and stop the flow of migrants coming into the. >> united states. >> that they seem to be scrambling to defend a 25% tariff. >> and that's because expert. >> after expert says. >> it. >> doesn't make any economic sense. but this is something that yes, i think the white house suggests that as well, that this will be something that is going to be in place in perpetuity, but rather something that trump is using. now, what is how long is now last? we're already seeing the impact on the markets. and we're seeing polling, you know, early on snapshot polls, but suggest that americans are already really souring on his handling. >> of. >> the economy. you know, certainly this early into his term, it's rare to see a president with an approval rating this low on economic issues just to two months, not even two months in. and we are there's one. and this could grow because i think you combine that with the rising prices tariffs joe. the fact that like let's say we know talking about eggs a lot. and last night trump tried

to blame biden. but we know for the cost of eggs. we know so much that's happened since he took office. you twin. the idea of these rising prices with the massive government cuts and the fact that so much of what republicans are doing right now is to create a roadway for a huge tax. >> cut that. >> will disproportionately help the rich. and i think there's a real sense here of the sourness that americans feel about the economy continuing. >> well. >> and republicans mike allen have to be concerned themselves. you look. again with consumer confidence being down. of course, data coming out of the fed showing the economy may be slowing down. and we have john thune saying on the hill obviously he hopes these these tariffs are short lived. are the republicans are thinking that i explain, if you will, to our viewers how tariffs are the antithesis of what republicans have championed for decades. the republican party has always been

the party of free markets, open markets. i mean, that's that's sort of that's been an article of faith for the gop, just like pushing back against russian aggression has been an article of faith for republicans. for decades now. >> and so. >> talk about how republicans on the hill are balancing both of those problems and their own views. i certainly heard some speak out yesterday pretty toughly against putin and against russia. i'm wondering if they're feeling the same about tariffs. >> well, yeah, because it's starting to hit them at home. >> jim. joe, you put. your finger on the many ways that president trump has overnight in a few short years changed where the republican party is. you mentioned trade entitlements, foreign policy. >> all massive. >> changes from the republican party that you grew up in. the we came up covering. and a point that jim vandehei and i make in

our column. >> trump on. >> steroids, that just went up on axios, is that republicans behind. >> the. >> scenes are very concerned about president trump talking more about issues that are concerning to. him playing the hits, as you would say, joe. then what's most important to americans? personal security, personal prosperity. and we've seen poll after poll in the. >> last. >> three days showing americans starting to worry. is president trump playing, paying less attention to the issues that they care about, their pocketbook, personal issues, and more to other issues that we saw again, again, throughout the speech, talking about how over time, he's going to make your pocketbook better. we talked about making more cars, more ships, the best chips, as he put it, and all the different tax cuts that he's talking about.

but for many americans, that gets lost in what's happening with the border, what's happening with those, what's happening with elon musk. and that's what those elected republicans are concerned about. >> reading your column this morning, you and jim. right. so far, trump's white house shrugs at. concerns and complaints. if anything, aides collective confidence is on steroids. two they admit few mistakes, express zero regrets. and believe wholeheartedly they're right and critics are wrong. coming up. >> we'll. >> continue to fact check some of the claims president trump made during his joint address to congress last night, including his comments about the war in ukraine. former homeland security secretary jeh johnson will join us to weigh in on that and more. plus, we'll play for you some of democratic senator elissa slotkin rebuttal to the president's address. morning joe is coming right back. pushing down. >> on me, pressing down. >> on you. >> no man has gone. >> under pressure.

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regime in december, two militias remain locked in combat with each other, one backed by the u.s. >> and another. >> supported by turkey. florida's attorney general has opened a criminal investigation into andrew and tristan tate, two brothers charged with human trafficking in romania. they have denied the charges. the two men arrived back in fort lauderdale last week despite facing a criminal trial overseas. they're known for their misogynistic views on social media. and last week, governor ron desantis told reporters that the tate's were not welcome in florida, and there is an effort underway to recall the mayor of los angeles, funded in part by nicole shanahan, the silicon valley megadonor, who served as robert f kennedy jr's running mate. shanahan was previously married. to google co-founder sergey brin. la mayor karen bass has faced significant criticism over

her handling of the devastating wildfires back in january. back to president trump's joint address to congress last night, first term democratic senator elissa slotkin of michigan delivered the party's response. she spoke for about ten minutes from just outside detroit, warning of the consequences of the president's agenda and urging americans to stay engaged. >> president trump is trying to deliver an unprecedented giveaway to his billionaire friends. he's on the hunt to find trillions of dollars to pass along to the wealthiest in america. and to do that, he's going to make you pay in every part of your life. your premiums and prescriptions will cost more because the math on his proposals doesn't work without going after your health care. meanwhile, for those keeping score, the national debt is going up, not down. and if he's not careful, he could walk us right into a recession. and one more thing. in order to pay for

his plan, he could very well come after your retirement. the social security, medicare and va benefits you worked your whole life to earn. the president claims he won't. but elon musk just called social security the biggest ponzi scheme of all time. we need a more efficient government. you want to cut waste? i'll help you do it. but change doesn't need to be chaotic or make us less safe. the mindless firing of people who work to protect our nuclear weapons, keep our planes from crashing, and conduct the research that finds the cure for cancer, only to rehire them two days later. no ceo in america could do that without being summarily fired. we all know that our country is going through something right now. we're not sure what the next day is going to hold, let alone the next decade. but this isn't the first time we've experienced significant and tumultuous change as a country. i'm a

student of history, and we've gone through periods of political instability before, and ultimately we've chosen to keep changing this country for the better. but every single time, we've only gotten through those moments because of two things engage citizens and principled leaders. engage citizens who do a little bit more than they're used to doing, to fight for the things that they care about. and principled leaders who are ready to receive the ball and do something about it. >> joining us now, democratic congressman debbie dingell of michigan. she was in attendance for president trump's address to the joint session of congress last night. also with us, msnbc political analyst elise jordan. with us still. she's former aide to the george w bush white house and state department. congresswoman, your reaction to the president's speech last night? your senator's democratic response? and how do democrats drive this message moving forward? well, it was 100

minutes, as we've all discussed, of a lot of drama and theater and two minutes of economics. so but i also am going to be very honest with you. it was one of the tensest nights. i can't count how many state of the unions i've attended over the years, both as a member and a spouse, and it was it was like nothing that i had ever seen. i will say this, i think elissa slotkin did an excellent job. she, by the way, wound up michigan's the down river, as you all hear me talk about the area that made me say to you in 2016, hillary clinton wasn't going to win. i think she delivered a very direct message about the issues that are facing us, and are the issues that we've got to work on, and democrats have got to do a better job of listening to working people, talking to them in ways that they see and understand, and lifting up the

human stories of what the consequences are of the actions that the president has undertaken so far. >> so, congresswoman. >> i want to follow up with what you said. you, like me, been to a few of these. you've i would guess you've been to quite a few more. what what made this the most tense presidential address you've been at before in congress? >> so first of all, it was a political speech. and with that, it was the most partizan moment i've ever been in that i'm just, you know, me. i'm always honest. i think the state, it's not the state of the union. it was the i forget what we called it, but address. but it's a time to try to bring the country together. that chamber has never been more divided. and i felt it in a way. you know, i have a ton of friends on the republican side. i want to work with them when i can. i'm not going to work with them if it's going to hurt the people of my state, my country or my district. but the tension

in that room was palpable last night, and i do believe that the president fanned some of fanned those flames. he really did not talk about anything or try to unify us in any way. and i do believe that that's the role of a leader. >> well, you know, it's interesting that you had the speaker caught. >> in a hot mic moment. >> saying that joe biden delivered stupid campaign rally speeches. it's fascinating that at this point in joe biden's presidency, he was being mocked and ridiculed by people on the far left and the democratic party because he was reaching out trying to pass bipartisan legislation. and, of course, as you know better than anybody, joe biden passed more bipartisan legislation in his term than any president this century. so, yes, quite a contrast. you, you and i have both heard republicans saying, oh, this race was about

the price of eggs. oh, this race was about the price of beef. oh, this was about the price of groceries. democrats were interested in all of these left wing, crazy ideas, like giving sex change operations to convicts in prisons, etcetera, etcetera. we heard all of that. but then the hand-wringing, they should have talked about the price of eggs. i'm curious in michigan, because you always have. you've always been a straight shooter. you warned about joe biden in 2024. you worried about hillary clinton in 2016, not worried. you warned that that her campaign was in trouble. i'm curious, what are you hearing now among your constituents about whether donald trump is focused on those bread and butter issues, those those kitchen counter, those kitchen table issues compared to tariffs and fighting our allies at. what are they saying to you now.

>> so you know i have a very i love my district because it's a reflects america. if you're in washtenaw county ann arbor people are angry. they want to see people fight back. they want to do something. research is being cut terribly. at the university of michigan. ■he talked about cancer last night. that little boy. i cried when he hugged the head of the secret service. but we need to make sure that we're investing in that research. but you go down river where alyssa was from last night. i talked to those union workers. i talked to those union workers about the tariffs. the auto industry is trying to be very careful. everybody's walking around on tip toes. but those look i think tariffs are a tool in the toolbox. we need to use them in the right way. we need stronger trade policy. we need to bring manufacturing home. but you don't take canada on who's one of the best allies. you have put a 25% blanket tariff, increase consumer costs, give the companies no time to plan. but there are union workers that are saying, we need

to be talking about this. our jobs have gone overseas for too long. he is doing something about it now. the uaw leadership understands that the way it's being done isn't the best way. they want to see usmca be renegotiated. they want to see him address those issues. supplier issues are complicated. people have no idea how many times a part goes back and forth across the border. so i want to work with this administration on trade. i told you donald trump won on trade in 2016, but you got to do it in a strategic way. and canada is mad. they are coming back at us. i have talked to many of the canadians, could have talked to governor ford today. they are striking back not only at the national level, but at a state level going back and forth. these are serious right now. congresswoman, you make. >> the point about. >> the impact of tariffs. >> and certainly. michigan is going to be an. >> epicenter for that. your colleague haley. >> stevens was. >> on. >> with. me this morning talking about. >> that, too. i think for people at home who might be hearing you

saying it's the most tense you've ever seen it in the chamber, they may wonder, okay, who cares? we don't need these members to be friends, but you kind of do, especially when a shutdown is looming. and so when you look at the vibe in that room and then you try to parlay it into something tangible, are democrats prepared the conversations that they're having for a government shutdown? are republicans that you've talked to prepared for that? because it feels like that's where we might be heading. >> i think a lot of people are just watching this. i want to make it really clear that the leadership of the democratic party is there and will talk to republican leadership when ever they want. they have not been including them in the discussions. i think a lot of people feel like they're just watching it all in slow motion and what's going to happen. but i want to say this to you relationships matter if you trust somebody, if you know them, if you know that their word is good, then you can make a deal. you can. compromise is not a dirty word. you need to be talking about these issues. and democrats, we do need to

eliminate waste and fraud, but not the way we're doing it. and right now we all we see is republicans trying to find dollars to give the billionaires a tax cut and a meat ax being just taken across the board, and programs that help people every single day in the communities being cut. we need to work together. >> congresswoman debbie. >> dingell, democrat of michigan. >> congresswoman, thanks, as always for joining us. we appreciate it. thank you. and the. >> co-founder of. >> axios, mike allen, will be reading you as always. thanks, mike. the new. piece about last night's address, titled trump on steroids, is. >> up now. >> at axios. still ahead, senate minority leader chuck schumer and senator chris van hollen will join us with their reactions to president trump's address to congress, which they both say was filled. >> with lies. >> plus, we'll speak with house republican conference chairwoman lisa mcclain of michigan for what members in her party thought of the speech. morning joe is coming right back. >> icu songs. >> sound astounding.

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november 5th was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades. we won the popular vote by big numbers and won counties in our country. >> you. >> usa. usa. >> and i have stopped all government censorship and brought back free speech in america. it's back. i renamed the gulf of mexico. the gulf of america. we've ended the tyranny of so-called diversity, equity and inclusion policies all across the entire federal government and indeed the private sector and our military and our country will be woke no longer. as you know, we inherited from the last

administration an economic catastrophe and an inflation nightmare. i'm fighting every day to reverse this damage and make america affordable again. >> welcome back to morning joe. it is wednesday, march 5th. we have jonathan lemire and elise jordan still with us. and let's bring you to the conversation right now, nbc news and msnbc political analyst, former u.s. senator claire mccaskill. also former secretary of homeland security in the obama administration, jay johnson. willie, you know, it's fascinating. again. >> you know. >> we've had. democrats and everybody else and people in the media and some republicans wringing their hands, saying the reason. >> why. >> kamala harris lost his she didn't focus on the price of eggs. she didn't focus the. >> price of. >> of gasoline, a. >> gallon of. >> gasoline, the price of butter. you you look at that

speech last night, and it was just it was a long list. a collection of cultural grievances that have very. >> little to do with. >> the economy, very. >> little to. >> do with driving down prices, very. >> little to. >> do with the very things. >> that democrats. >> were supposed to be negligent. not talking about. during the campaign. the only economic policies that were talked about were economic policies that even republicans and conservative economists say, hey, that's going to cause higher inflation, but you go down. it was, again, a ali's last guest, jacques le haut, talked about. >> how it was. >> almost like chatgpt. >> wrote that. >> speech because it was just kind of so predictable. it sounded. like campaign speeches. >> it sounded. >> like former speeches, you know, from his first term with really very. >> little news. >> so what happened at the end?

you have republicans. >> that. >> of course, came out and praised the. >> speech. >> talking about his common sense revolution. you have democrats who were concerned about the partizanship. concerned about the tariffs, concerned about the attacks on on the institution, concerned about the personal attacks. and of course, if you look at polls, independents are growing more and more. concerned that the president, the. republican party, are not focused on first things first, they're. they're they're chasing around every other shiny. >> object, but still not focused. >> enough on inflation. a couple of final points here. brit hume called it the most partizan speech the president's. ever delivered to a joint. >> session of. >> congress, and others with stopwatches said it was the longest beating out bill clinton's 2000 state of the union speech. i think i was there, willie, were there. i know this will shock you, but a younger joe scarborough sat, watched, clapped, went to the

cloakroom, slept for an hour, got up, walked out at the end, fixed my hair, clapped and said good night. it was a long speech. i thought bill clinton's speech was a long speech last night. a very long speech. well. >> bill. >> clinton's 2000 state of the union has last had was the previous record holder. many historians thought it would never be broken. donald trump did. break it last night. 100 minutes is the official time on the speech last night. that's just the length. but in terms of the substance of it, first of all, inflation clearly is on his mind because. >> he did. >> talk about the price of eggs, only to blame joe biden for the price of eggs. so he knows there's a problem with inflation, which had been, as a matter of fact, ticking down under president biden. and now that progress has flatlined, as steve rattner pointed out to us. and if you're talking about making america affordable again, as he said in that clip, we just played, a good way not to do that is to impose 25%. tariffs on our biggest trading partners,

which obviously will raise the price of so many goods. as, again. >> steve rattner. >> laid out in his charts for us, and also just in terms of we can say it again, this mandate that he keeps claiming he had, yes, he won the popular vote by a plurality. he won 49.8% of. >> the vote. he won. by a. >> point and a half over kamala harris, just over 2 million votes. so with all that in mind, claire mccaskill, what did you make of what you saw last night? as someone who has. sat through a few similar addresses in that chamber. >> you know, i found myself longing last night for the days when democrats were trying to decide whether they should stand up and clap or not. it's a very different atmosphere there now. and the argument among senators yesterday was whether or not to go. i know americans that are really distressed by what the trump is doing, want the democrats to do more. i'm not sure exactly what they could have done last night that would have pleased america, and that

would have maintained their ability to get that 15% of the vote that trump got, that of people who don't like him. but i got to tell you, and i think joe will appreciate this. the biggest laugh line in the speech was that he was going to balance the budget. i mean, i was surprised everybody just didn't break out in raucous laughter. i mean, what a joke. there is no way this guy in any, in any way is going to come close to balancing a budget. he did record deficits and debt the last time he was in office. that will happen again unless he cuts programs for his voters. that's the dilemma that they face right now. they got to cut programs, medicaid stuff to farmers. they've got to do all that to even fund the tax cuts that are already in place, much less the laundry list of stuff that is never going to happen that he named last night that made every republican in the room wince when he talked about all these new tax cuts that are never going to happen. >> yeah. i mean, you look at

what what he said in the 2016 campaign, he promised that he was going to balance the budget and pay off the debt. he increased deficits and he increased america's national debt more in four years than all the preceding 44 presidents before him. and now, you know, if you if you look, jonathan lemire, at the economic situation that we're in, when you look at the fiscal situation we're in today, we've got a $36 trillion debt. if republicans do what they say they're going to do, if they pass the trump tax cuts, if they continue spending the way they're talking about spending. you're actually going to see a $20 trillion increase. >> in the. >> federal debt over the next decade. and that's from the omb. that's from the congressional budget office. that's just unheard of. like, and i don't

know, an economist that thinks this country can go from having a $36 trillion debt to a $56 trillion debt over the next decade and not be crippled by that, i mean, that's going to cause massive, massive shockwaves for the us economy. so again, we're talking about all these other things last night, all of these these hot button issues, all these culture war issues and people chanting usa, usa when, you know, in response to donald trump saying he had one of the biggest landslides. ever that like, doesn't erase the reality. and i just i keep worrying that this deficit and even republicans know this. where is the freedom caucus they claim to be for small government, this budget that they're pushing forward is going to blow a $20 trillion hole in america's national debt,

which is stealing not only from our children, it's stealing from us. and yet he's saying he's going to balance. the budget. last night, one of the most meaningless lines of 100 minute speech. >> yeah. >> first of all. >> the idea. >> that it was this mandate, an historic landslide. president obama won by bigger margins twice than what donald trump did this time around. and you're right, there's no serious proposal on the hill from republicans to balance the budget. they know it can't be done right now, especially if they forge forward with these tax cuts, which seems to be agenda item number one. so at least let's talk about this though about the economy last night. because the only way you could even come close to trying to make the cuts necessary would be to touch medicare or medicaid. and we heard some uproar from democrats in the audience about that. but also, let's talk about social security for a second. just a couple days after elon musk called it the biggest ponzi scheme in history, we had the president last night go through this long list of factually incorrect claims about the people who received social

security checks. yes, there have been errors along the way, but it's been fact checked the last few days that the list has been circulating in conservative circles that he read from last night was wrong. they're getting dangerously close, though it seems to touching the third rail of american politics. >> well, and that's if i'm a democratic strategist. that's what i would want my elected democrats around the country to be hammering in on their their testing, taking away your benefits. this is really precarious. you don't want to be on this unsteady ground where they it looks like social security could potentially be in danger in any way, shape or form. and that's just the political peril. at the end of the day, that actually benefits democrats. i guess i would go to though, the other big hot button issue, immigration and secretary johnson, how did you feel that donald trump dealt with the question of immigration and securing the border, since it is such an important electoral issue and was so key to his reelection? >> my overall reaction is, if

we're going. >> to have a government built on common sense. >> it. >> also has to be built on fact and truth. the numbers he talked about last. >> night. >> 8300, in february of 2025. >> yes, that is a very. >> low. >> number annualized. we saw lower numbers in the. 1960s and 70s. >> and history teaches. recent history teaches that illegal. >> immigration reacts. sharply upward or downward to perceive. >> changes in our enforcement policy. and it. >> always reverts back to. >> its. >> longer term trend. lines because of the push factors. so the exact. >> same thing happened. >> eight years ago. trump took office. >> the numbers. fell off sharply. >> but then over time, over the next two. >> years, they began to climb up again to the point. >> where in fiscal year. >> 29, there were almost a million crossings. >> which was far. >> higher than anything. >> we saw. >> in the obama administration.

and so and his. other claim that. >> quote unquote, virtually all. >> of migrants. >> crossing our southern border are gang members. >> criminals, drug dealers. from insane asylums is just factually wrong. and it the thing that upsets. >> me most when. >> i watch. >> your. >> speech like that is it assumes the american. >> people are stupid. >> and will just accept anything he says. the reality is this is full employment for. fact checkers and the american public. whether you're a republican or democrat, should know at this point to have a high degree of skepticism about any assertion of fact. >> that president trump makes. >> incorrect claims on immigration, incorrect claims about the revenue coming in. if they do back off the tariffs, well, that's less. but also reporting yesterday that the administration is considering cutting the irs staff in half, literally in half, which of course would also play a role.

>> here too. >> and secretary, you're right, the republicans jumping to their feet, applauding the lies that they know are lies last night as well. let's bring into the conversation democratic senator chris van hollen of maryland. he's a member of the foreign relations and budget committees. the senator walked out of the chamber before the end of trump's speech. senator, good morning. so we don't know, was that a joe scarborough dip out to the cloakroom for a mountain dew, take a quick nap and then come back in? or was that a form of protest last night? >> no, i'd had enough. i'd had enough. it was a long speech full of lies. i, you know, i had enough after five. >> seconds. >> but after an hour and whatever it was of avalanche of lies, i had enough, you know, i. went and. >> brought a guest. >> i brought a guest. her name is skye perriman. she heads up democracy forward, which is the tip of the spear. in fighting backst these lies and illegal actions in in court. so i'm. i'm glad i brought her along, because i think we need

to focus on the big lies in the speech. and as you're talking about all of you, the great betrayal. you know, donald trump came in claiming he was going to focus on these pocketbook issues, bring down prices. >> what he's. >> doing is cutting services for the american people and rigging the government for people like elon musk, and preparing for the big tax cuts, where he again lied by pretending they were going to help all americans, when they're going to help the very rich folks like elon musk. >> you know, senator, you're on the foreign affairs committee. so fascinating. >> what you think about. >> what the president said about ukraine last night. it seemed to be one bit of news that. >> we actually got. >> from the speech. but before you do that, i just want to read you what some of your republican peers had to say yesterday about the president's recent actions on ukraine. senator collins said, i do not think we should be pausing our efforts in ukraine. ted cruz said the war should come to an end in a way that is a clear and unequivocal loss for russia and a loss for

putin. senator murkowski said i am sick to my stomach as the administration appears to be walking away from our allies and embracing putin. leader thune said no question about who started the war. russia is the aggressor here. senator thom tillis, who is up for election next year. president putin is evil and he has to be stopped. louisiana senator kennedy, to the extent that the white house has said ukraine started the war, i disagree. senator cramer, trump is factually wrong to call zelensky a dictator. senator rounds, clearly ukraine needs our support, and i think the vast majority of us are very supportive. >> of ukraine. >> they were the ones that were attacked. and then bacon said, too bad iran, north korea and china are not pausing their military aid and economic support. that is a long list of republicans, senator, that share your concern about donald trump cutting off aid to an ally who

has been invaded by russia. >> well, you're right, joe. i'm glad to hear those statements, but we need more action out of our republican senate colleagues. so, for example, they have an opportunity to actually push back by through the nominations process, right? don't just clear all these people automatically while the president is engaged in this disgraceful bow down to vladimir putin and bullying people like zelensky and our other allies, because i'd like to see them take more action. so, for example, just yesterday in the senate foreign relations committee, we had the trump ambassadorial nominee for nato, and i asked him that simple question. you raised was russia the aggressor against ukraine? and he wouldn't answer the question and neither would the other nominees. so because they all want to take the lead from the great leader, donald trump,

and when donald trump says something, the reality is that everybody else gets a lobotomy. i mean, they just they can't think on their own. and, you know, with with secretary rubio, you've got elon musk essentially having taken over the state department, at least, the effort to dismantle aid. so the reality is that we have a situation where everybody in the ministration is in absolute lockstep with this disgraceful approach the president is taking. and of course, this time around, he learned not to nominate anybody who could think for themselves. right. i mean, this is a very different group of nominations that are coming before the united states senate. there are all people who are going to, you know, at the end, obviously, his nominees and his folks will go with what the president says, but he doesn't want anybody pushing back in any way and raising the hard questions. he just wants the yes

men and women. and that's a very, very dangerous thing for us. >> good morning chris, it's claire. i want to i know you're on budget. i have always been one that has said to everybody, don't worry. the government is not going to shut down. it is really bad form the way we do it. we wait till the last minute. but this time it feels like the government could shut down. i mean, we have ten days. republicans have the votes if they want to keep government open. how firm are the democrats going to stand in not helping them in this crisis that they have brought upon america, both with their desire to make tax cuts for billionaires permanent and their failure to fund the government. >> so, claire, it's good to be with you. and you and joe have been through these, you know, joint sessions. and i think we would agree that none has been more awful than the one last

night. but the other awful thing is what they're trying to do. so on the budget, we of course, are going to do everything we can to fight their effort to provide tax cuts for the very wealthy and try to gut programs like medicaid, because this is the great betrayal, right? i mean, donald trump is essentially screwing the people. he said he wanted to help, and he's benefiting the people who are right behind him. on inauguration day, people like elon musk, in terms of the appropriations. we don't want a government shutdown. but as you said, as you said, republicans are in control here. and right now, some of them are talking about trying to essentially incorporate the elon musk so-called budget savings, which are big lies like the social security one, into their appropriations bill, and that that will show us that they just want to shut down the government. so, look, we are we

are willing to have bipartisan discussions and a do no harm approach, but we will not be complicit in anything that advances the elon musk effort, which is nothing about government efficiency, as you know, and everything about rigging the government for people like elon musk, who, by the way, got a couple more billion dollars worth of contracts in the last ten days. >> yeah, they're the conflicts of interest, as we've been talking about. they're nibbling around the edges of trimming the budget when they're not going for the real sources of our debt and deficit. democratic senator chris van hollen of maryland, senator, thanks so much for your time this morning. we appreciate it. secretary johnson, let's go back to ukraine for a moment. what we heard in not just in the speech last night, but what we've seen, look at friday in the oval office, for example, as someone who's served in the government and protected our country and his job. what did you make, first of all, of what you saw in the. oval office, but more broadly. >> of. >> this approach of the defense department pulling back on

offensive cyber of the un vote. >> where we sided with. >> russia and north korea. what do you make of this, the entirety of this approach? well, first of all, on the news that we have somehow pulled. >> back on offensive cyber. >> i know what i don't know, and i don't have. >> access to classified information anymore. >> so i don't know exactly. >> what. that means. >> my larger point is. >> i happen to be. >> a 2018. recipient of. >> the ronald reagan peace through strength award. and so though i'm a democrat, i do feel obliged. >> every once in a while to promote. >> his legacy. i was watching a documentary the other night. >> about reagan, and i. >> was struck by the fact. >> that in. his second term, primarily. his big issue. >> that he championed was the freedom of people in eastern europe to be free from soviet domination. let me say that again. ronald reagan championed the freedom of eastern europeans

against the soviets. that was his issue. we're doing the opposite now, and i want. >> to hear. >> republicans in. congress who who know. >> better, who weren't born. >> yesterday. say ronald reagan was wrong. we all know ronald reagan was right. that's who we are as americans. and the last quick point i'll make is, and we alluded to this a moment ago, the senator alluded to this. the role of a cabinet officer is threefold. >> you run a large department. >> of our government. in my case, it was 250,000 people. you pursue the president's political agenda at that cabinet department, but you also serve as an advisor to the president, as a member of the cabinet, to tell the president every once in a while, whether it's donald. >> trump or. >> barack obama, things that he doesn't want to hear, that he needs to hear. you're not there simply to follow orders from the president, from stephen miller

and elon musk. it's vital to a functioning, effective government that a president have people in his cabinet of wisdom, experience. and tell the president what he what he needs to hear. >> and i worry. >> that he's not getting that right now. >> you know, ronald reagan, j. a quote reagan said was, we know only too well that war comes not when the forces of freedom are strong, but when they are weak. that is when tyrants are tempted and going to what you what you said about ronald reagan. there's a reason why there are statues in eastern europe to ronald reagan in warsaw, a large statue to ronald reagan streets. and entire areas named after ronald reagan because ronald reagan. what did he say? he talked about peace. through strength. and the people of eastern europe. mika's father, one of them. saw their countries

absolutely decimated and dominated, in part because countries of the free world, time and time again underestimated whether it was joseph stalin or, as i've been saying, khrushchev. vienna, with jfk. we can talk about, of course, george w bush and then the invasion of georgia by putin in 2008. we can talk about barack obama and then the invasion of crimea, the invasion of ukraine, the shooting down of commercial aircraft. we can talk about syria, putin going in and invading syria, taking russian troops into syria in 2015. time and time again, when you underestimate russian leaders, they do not respect you. they do not respect weakness. as ronald reagan said time and again, they only respect strength. that's

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department of government efficiency. gauche. perhaps you've heard. >> of it? >> perhaps. >> which is headed by elon musk who is in the gallery tonight. >> president trump last night praising elon musk and the doge team to raucous hooting and hollering from republicans. the president saying musk is heading the department. but that conflicts with the administration has argued in court challenges. just last week, the white house said amy gleason, a former health care investment executive, actually is the acting administrator of doge. president trump also claimed doge has saved hundreds of billions. >> of dollars. >> by cutting contracts, firing workers and rooting out that old fraud and waste and abuse. >> just listen to some of the appalling waste. we have already identified $22 billion from hhs

to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens, $8 million for making mice transgender. this is real. $20 million for the arab sesame street in the middle east. it's a program, $47 million for improving learning outcomes in asia. asia is doing very well with learning. you know what we're doing. if you use it ourselves, all of these scams and there are far worse. but i didn't think it was appropriate to talk about them. they are so bad. many more have been found out and exposed and swiftly terminated by a group of very intelligent, mostly young people headed up by elon, and we appreciate it. we found hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud. >> so doge claims to have

slashed $105 billion so far. but that's a largely impossible to verify on its website. doge has deleted hundreds of items from its so-called wall of receipts to remove mistakes that inflated the department's success. joining us now, msnbc host jonathan capehart, the newly named msnbc senior washington correspondent eugene daniels, and just announced msnbc washington correspondent jackie alemany. lucky for us, this spring, the three will host msnbc's new program the weekend. that's saturdays and sundays from 7 to 10 a.m. eastern. guys, i haven't seen you since the news. congratulations and welcome to eugene and jackie. we're so happy to have you on board. and what a great. >> team to wake. >> up with on the weekends. so, jonathan, i'll let you take it away and get some reps. >> in here. >> a little rehearsal for the show. what did you make of this speech last night? >> it was a it was a. >> campaign speech. >> it was a speech, quite honestly, if he wanted to just. excuse me. just talk. to the

republican. >> base. >> the people who. >> voted for him. it was a. >> superb speech. >> it was a spectacular speech. but if you didn't vote. >> for. >> him, if you were the majority of american voters. >> meaning the. >> folks who voted for kamala harris, plus jill. >> stein and. >> other third party. >> people. >> you didn't like that speech. and in fact, i. >> would say. >> jackie and eugene, that. >> senator slotkin's. speech was sort of the flip side that if you didn't vote for donald trump, but. you voted for kamala. >> harris, you didn't want. >> what's happening. she spoke. she spoke. to them. i'm just wondering. >> will. >> will this. >> be the beginning. >> of something for the democrats hitting. the country. >> and. >> revving up the message, or is this going to be a one off? >> i mean. >> i think they hope that it's. >> going to. >> be something that they can take with it, right? like if you listen to what slotkin said, there were moments that you can take out and give to any democrat for them to say, right and move forward. she kind of talked about america as a as the way republicans used to talk

about it. right, right. and the way that she talked about democracy was not this kind of high falutin, high lofty idea. it was really we're americans and we do american things right. that is something that i think a lot of people can take. and for a very long time, democrats have struggled with the message she had one that i think that if democrats do it correctly, they'd be able to actually use, because she also provided an opposition to donald trump, but also an alternative to him as well, which is what they've been missing. >> and when we're talking. about message coherence. >> the democrats. >> have been struggling. >> with here. >> i mean, slotkin couldn't have been. >> clearer and. >> more basic. >> in. >> that leading with the economy. >> a huge. criticism democrats. >> have faced for. >> not focusing on that enough during. >> the campaign. >> and during a week. >> in. >> particular, where trump has. >> made a bunch of economic decisions. that ceos. >> and normal. >> americans are terrified about. >> they're looking. >> at their stock market, they're looking at their pensions. >> there's about. >> to be a. >> tariff war. that that. that is unfolding. >> trump even acknowledged that in. his speech last night for.

>> really the first time ever. acknowledging that farmers, i. >> love you. >> you're going to. >> feel. >> a little. >> pain here, though, with these decisions. >> that i've made now that have. >> incurred retaliatory. tariffs on china directly on you. >> but, you know. >> have faith. >> when i in. >> 2018, i. >> when i was doing a midterm series and i went to iowa and i talked to a soybean farmer and there was that trade war then, and he was not doing well financially because of it. and i asked him, i said, do you blame donald trump for this? and he said, you know what? i just have to trust that he's going to get it right. and so there is there are those people. there are the other people, the farmers and the ranchers who are going to struggle so much that there is a possibility he loses them moving forward. you know, at the beginning, at the opening of the block, when willie was showing the. video of elon musk. >> and i. >> think president trump said. >> one of the most. >> i don't. >> know. >> blind things. because he didn't realize. >> what he was. >> saying when he. >> later on in. >> the speech where he talked. >> about. >> we're freeing. >> washington from the unelected

bureaucrats. >> who have run. >> i was like. >> wait, cut. >> to. >> elon, cut to elon musk. this dude, he's the richest person. >> in. >> the world. >> and he is. >> and he has taken a wrecking ball. >> to the federal government. >> by the way. >> his favorite. >> i mean. >> his favourability ratings. >> are not. >> doing well. and i think, you know, it's i. >> was surprised. >> that trump. >> did end up acknowledging. >> doge for as long. >> as he did. but we've talked. >> about this before. >> i mean. >> he's he's. >> the. heat shield. >> he's he's. >> the bad. >> cop. >> good cop. >> and until. >> until which time something goes so egregiously wrong that president trump is. like elon who never heard. >> of him. >> i barely know the guy. >> willie. >> as you can. as you. >> can see, we. >> have so much to talk about and thankfully we're going. >> to have. >> six hours. >> yes. >> saturday. >> over saturday. >> and. >> sunday to really. >> keep the. >> conversation going, going. >> to come on the show. >> oh yeah. oh yeah. listen. >> i've got. >> i'm awake on sundays. i've got a. >> sunday morning show, busy. >> on sunday. >> but you're. >> not busy. >> on saturday.

>> saturday? >> can i have one day off, guys, please? maybe once in a while, maybe one. we cannot wait to see this new show. the co-host of msnbc's the weekend, jonathan capehart, eugene daniels and jackie alemany. i should point out, jonathan, i don't know your athletic history, but we do have two division one athletes hosting this show. ballers. everywhere you look on the weekend. >> willie. >> yes, i do know, but i too am an athlete. >> just go get those way too early sports. >> sportscasts that. i used to do. >> yes, those are legendary. >> those are legendary. >> i do sports. >> sport ball guys. great to see you. congrats on the show. we will watch in the weekend. can't wait for it. coming up here, president trump doubles down on his expansionist foreign policy agenda, saying his administration is already in the process of taking control of the panama canal and that the united states will get greenland one way or another. plus, we'll bring you an update on the

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americans for americans, not for others. but others could use it. but it was built at tremendous cost of american blood and treasure. 38,000 workers died building the panama canal. they died of malaria. they died of snake bites and mosquitoes. not a nice place to work. they paid them very highly to go there, knowing there was a 25% chance that they would die. the most expensive project also that was ever built in our country's history. if you bring it up to modern day costs, it was given away by the carter administration for $1. but that agreement has been violated very severely. we didn't give it to china. we gave it to panama, and we're taking it back.

now we have marco rubio in charge. good luck. marco. now we know who to blame if anything goes wrong. marco has been amazing and he's going to do a great job. and i also have a message tonight for the incredible people of greenland. we strongly support your right to determine your own future. and if you choose, we welcome you into the united states of america. we need greenland for national security and even international security. and we're working with everybody involved to try and get it. but we need it really for international world security. and i think we're going to get it one way or the other. we're going to get it. >> so claire, we want to talk about social security because that's going to affect people's lives more. but let's just for a minute there, it is extraordinary to watch donald trump invent an issue. take greenland, for example, and immediately to get the

leadership of the party to leap to its feet and applaud whatever it is he has conjured that day. >> yeah. what's notable about that is, is the acquiescence of people who know better. and it's sad and depressing, and integrity is on a long vacation in terms of most of those republican members of congress. and, you know, here's the thing, even lies about the history. the people who built the panama canal were not american citizens. they were contract workers from the caribbean, primarily people who lost their lives were not americans. they were people that were hired to do this. i mean, it's a little bit like how many immigrants in america have done the work that americans didn't want to do. and so it's really sad, you know, and by the way, everyone likes to say how donald trump is doing what he campaigned on. he didn't campaign on taking greenland or the panama canal. he he didn't campaign on cutting the staffs

at social security and the irs. he didn't campaign on cutting medical research. he didn't campaign on letting elon musk get all your private information and get your bank records and your everything about your health records. he didn't campaign on that. so this notion that everything he's doing is what he promised to do is it's just bull. yes. yeah. it is. that's what it is. >> a rare biting of the tongue. a rare mechanical tongue. so let's. >> talk. >> specifically about social security, because there's so much coming at us every day, it's important to stop and look specifically at some of this stuff. so in the on the doge website, there is a long list of offices that are going to be closed. >> social security. >> offices across the country about lease terminations, about people. >> being laid off. >> and now you have senators of both parties in states red and blue saying, hang on a second. these are vital. to the 72.5

million americans who count on social security. >> yeah. when obviously, when you're a senator and you represent an entire state, you have a lot of people calling for help on various issues with the federal government. these local offices were our partners. that is where we got people help. and it was really important. he's shutting down all the farm service agencies. he's shutting down the social security offices. the vast majority of the people that he is laying off without cause, with no merit involved whatsoever, are people that don't work in washington. and he's getting rid of all of these offices that serve the american people. if he's willing to cut the office that serves you for social security, what makes you think he's not willing to cut your social security? >> well, claire, we were talking off camera about just how often you when you were in office, you had to utilize the local social security offices to really get issues resolved. when by a

caseworker who was local and in person. and i mean, just in terms of practicality, people who are on social security tend to be a little bit older. they aren't necessarily going to be as web savvy and immediately able to use the internet to solve whatever problem they have. this is going to be a huge community loss if there isn't a well staffed social security apparatus across the country. >> i would like elon musk to sit down with a woman who is struggling with her benefits after her husband has died and trying to reconcile an error in the documents. i would love him to sit down and talk to one of those people, instead of just assuming that tech can solve everything. it's so naive. it's so stupid. >> claire, thank you, as always, for your insights and for that brief moment of restraint a moment ago. >> thank you. >> by the way. >> oh. >> there it was. >> i shouldn't have given you another swing at it. >> i wanted another swing. >> at it. that one's on me. all right. claire, thank you. still ahead, we'll take a look at senator elissa slotkin,

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>> was a stupid campaign speech and just. >> joe biden, the worst president in american history. i look at the democrats in front of me, and i realize there is absolutely nothing i can say to make them happy or to make them stand or smile or applaud. nothing i can do. we have ended weaponized government where, as an example, a sitting president is allowed to viciously prosecute his political opponent like me. how did that work out? not too good. >> not too good. >> as you know, we inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe and an inflation nightmare. woman named stacey abrams. have you ever heard of her? softbank, one of the most brilliant anywhere in the world, announced a $200 billion investment. openai and

oracle. larry ellison announced $500 billion investment which they wouldn't have done if kamala had won in recent years. our justice system has been turned upside down by radical left lunatics. the united states has sent hundreds of billions of dollars to support ukraine's defense, with no security, with no energy. do you want to keep it going for another five years? yeah, yeah, you you would say pocahontas says yes. >> in a decidedly partizan address from president trump last night before a joint session of congress. good morning, and welcome to morning

joe. it is wednesday, march. >> 5th. >> with joe. >> willie and me. >> we have the co-host of our fourth hour and contributing writer at the atlantic, jonathan lemire, the host of way too early, ali vitali and co-founder of axios, mike allen. joe. what a night. what did you make of it? >> well, you know, i just i just heard on ali's show one of the one of the best summaries, it really was almost like it was written by chatgpt. i mean, that's jake said that i was thinking fifth verse. same as first, second, third, fourth. willie. you know it. you know, there were the insults. there were the taunts, there were the exaggerations. there was a partizanship top to bottom. there is the personal attacks, attacking people by name. and of course, the facts that were just wrong, whether it was the united states spending more money on

ukraine or calling himself the greatest president with the greatest start. oh, by the way, did you hear that? >> number two was. >> george washington? >> i have. >> i have i have not seen the historical treatise on that yet. but that's what president trump said last night. and of course, the question early on, why can't democrats just stand up and clap and be nice? this, of course, after he'd already taken to insulting him and calling joe biden the worst president in american history. i'm quite confident, quite confident that ten, 20 years from now, when the ranking president's joe biden will be doing very well, along. with with other other presidents that have actually gotten bipartisan things accomplished. but i will say, willie, for me.

so there's just so much nonsense. i cannot believe an independent voter wouldn't look at look at this speech and just turn it off and just go. enough. enough. there was a little bit of news, though, and that was on ukraine. i think that probably was really the only news that came out of this last night. that was really significant, and that is that donald trump said the peace talks were back on and they were moving toward a peaceful settlement. yeah. president trump said he got a letter from president zelenskyy saying he's ready, despite what happened in the oval office last friday, ready to sit down and have these conversations to work out that minerals deal, and also to begin to negotiate an end to the war. so if you're looking for some kernel of news, it wasn't really news, but at least there was something in there. but yeah, otherwise felt like a campaign speech, as we predicted. you and i here yesterday, joe. in fact, in some cases, going back to a 2016 campaign speech with insults to elizabeth warren, just catching

some strays there in the chamber, and the fact checkers had a very busy night. we're going to go. through a bunch of the stuff that the president said, which simply is untrue or is an exaggeration or needs much, much more context. and of course, he was ever going to provide. but the it was what we thought it was going to be. it was donald trump saying that. >> he has. >> already started this golden age, despite the six weeks of chaos that we have witnessed, joe and democrats sitting there in some ways kind of futilely holding up their auction paddles or their whiteboards in protest of the president. yeah, democrats still not exactly sure how to respond. sometimes not. well, i'll leave it to democrats to figure out how they respond, but they certainly still don't seem to have any any game plan, though i will say the response. >> seemed to. >> factor mika as we go to issues. i just again, last night was really like a campaign

rally. it was called by brit hume, senior fox news political analyst, and brit's been doing this for 40 years at least. he called it the most partizan speech ever held in that chamber. and i think it also was the longest. but as we talk about the two policies that were hanging over that speech, that didn't really get much of a mention. one, of course, with the tariffs that saw the market go down again significantly yesterday. it keeps going down. and the second was ukraine. and i will say the top two opinion pieces in the wall street journal opinion page. the top one talks about the tariffs and how the tariffs are going to pound the very people who voted for donald trump. they're going to disproportionately hurt farmers. they're going to disproportionately hurt working americans that voted for donald trump. they're going to

disproportionately hurt people in swing states. and he said mr. trump and mr. trump's tariff spree is the triumph of ideology over, well, common sense. let's hope the president soon comes to his senses. and then they talk about jd vance, forgotten wars. and they the subhead there is maybe next time, don't insult stalwart allies during a tv interview. it would have been nice for that to be cleaned up last night when britain. and by the way, the entire ideological divide in britain, outraged by the fact that the british stood shoulder to shoulder with americans through one war after another died and jd vance mocking them, and the wall street journal editorial page taking issue with that, too. those are real issues that are going on now. let's talk, though, about this pep rally that was held last night. that,

again, was on on. it was just very short on news. >> yeah. there's been some criticism. the democrats holding up what what have been called bingo cards. i actually i think that the signs that say false, it's very hard to keep up sometimes with the falsehoods and i you know, i thought that was the. >> only way to do it. >> at that point when you have falsehoods being spoken, it's important to point that out. by the way, i'm in abu dhabi, where i am chair of the fourth annual 3050 summit, and we'll have a lot more on that a little later. but back to the speech. president trump spent much of his speech criticizing former president biden's economy. >> and. >> its policies, calling them the worst ever. >> as you know, we inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe and an inflation nightmare.

>> the reality when president biden left office, america's gdp was set to grow faster than all of its peer countries, according to the international monetary fund. america's economy was also described as the envy of the world by the economist, which added america, quote, let left other rich countries in the dust. president trump also made some dubious claims on inflation. >> their policies drove up energy prices, pushed up grocery costs and drove the necessities of life out of reach for millions and millions of americans. they've never had anything like it. we suffered the worst inflation in 48 years, but perhaps even in the history of our country, they're not sure. >> so that claim is partially false. while the inflation rate hit its highest peak since 1981, in. >> june of 2022.

>> it wasn't the worst in history. that was right after world war one, when it reached roughly 24%. it should also be noted that by the time biden left office, inflation had fallen to roughly 3%. joe. >> and again, i guess we have to point all this out. i mean, i think our viewers are smart enough to know it. but again, america's economy was the envy of the world and our inflation rate lower than almost all of our allies. it's bringing right now. former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst steve rattner. steve, i get it's so elementary i it it's kind of boring to me to have to just state something that is quite so obvious, but it becomes necessary the morning after so many things that said that are just not true, especially about the economy, the economy, by just about every standard, was stronger than every economy in

the world. as mika said. as the economist has said, as, as as people leaders across the world have said, the united states economy the envy of the world before donald trump got into office, it's not looking quite that way right now because of the fear of tariffs, the stock market going down, the economy slowing down, consumer confidence, slowing down, people on wall street afraid to move forward with mergers and acquisitions because of the fear of the unknown. we could continue to go on. but again, the reality is starkly different than what we heard last night. >> yeah, joe, obviously. obviously, trump contorts the facts to fit his narrative, but he did that with abandon last night. he did inherit an extraordinarily strong economy from joe biden. obviously we had covid. obviously that wasn't good. we suffered some inflation. so did all of our trading partners. our inflation was no worse than theirs. it has

come down sharply. and now trump is applying a set of kind of incoherent policies to the situation that, in my opinion, anyway, are more likely to make things worse. you've got the tariffs, which we can talk some more about. you've got his budget plans which would explode the deficit, reward rich people and so forth. and so it's not a set of policies that is that appears on the surface anyway, likely to actually improve the economy. and i think it runs a reasonable chance of making the economy worse. inflation is going to be a problem. it's going to make it much harder for the federal reserve to bring interest rates down. the trump policies are inflationary, notwithstanding what he says. and so he's starting office, i think, in a considerably weaker period in a way, than he did last time in that he's got to bring his job, should have been to bring this economy into a nice landing and get it back fully functioning. but instead

he's going off into these rabbit holes of tariffs and this and that, that i think will will end badly for him. >> expensive rabbit holes. and we're going to get to your charts in just a few minutes. steve joe is right jonathan 100 minutes. the longest speech ever before congress by an american president breaking bill clinton's record by 11 minutes. his 2000 state of the union address. just for the record there, trump did acknowledge when talking about tariffs the term he used was a little disturbance, to put it mildly. there's going to be a little disturbance to the economy when these tariffs are really felt by consumers and people who make cars and everything else. but clearly standing by them, 25% on our biggest trading partners to the north and the south. we did hear from some republicans, john thune yesterday saying these tariffs are going to be temporary. don't worry, they're going to go away. we're just trying to extract something on fentanyl, for example, and containing that at the border hearing from howard lutnick as well, you know, people trying to mitigate what trump is doing.

are they concerned when you talk to them about the impact of these tariffs? >> yeah. one of the defining images of the day yesterday was that most cable companies were showing the stock market ticket in the corner real time, seeing it go down as the day went on. and you mentioned the commerce secretary, howard lutnick, gave an interview with fox late in the day suggesting that the tariffs on canada and mexico might even be reduced slightly today, already suggesting that they might alleviate some of this. and that's what i was hearing all day yesterday, talking to people in the white house in the trump orbit that they they are a little rattled by how this is being received. they're not going to back off entirely. obviously. we heard from the president last night. this is part of his economic program, a big part of it. it's something he's believed in for a long time, but it's not being well received by the markets or by, as you mentioned, several republicans who were there. and ali, you know, this was this was actually shockingly little news in the speech last night. yes, a little bit on ukraine. just the talks would restart again. but that's because zelensky earlier in the day had said he wants them and aides said they would

revisit this minerals deal. it's not done yet though, and certainly nothing really concrete towards any sort of ceasefire. it was, though, a speech marked in the 100 and, you know, 100 odd minutes or so that trump was up there with dozens upon dozens of falsehoods, including a long recitation of false claims about social security. and we know that there was cries from the democrats in the audience, including the got one lawmaker kicked out saying that don't touch medicaid. you don't have a mandate to do that. so let's talk about that right now, because that seems to hover over all of this. yes, elon musk got cheered in that room yesterday, but there's seemingly growing discontent and worry, at least among some republicans that i've talked to, that this administration might be going too far, too fast. >> well, too far, too fast. and specifically. >> when it. >> comes to potential medicaid cuts. >> that's. >> actually in the. >> hands of. >> congress right now, because there's 800. >> some odd. >> billion in cuts that are detailed right now specifically to the energy and commerce committee. through the reconciliation process. we watched the house jump the first hurdle on getting into the real building blocks. >> of that bill. >> that's going to be the vehicle for many of trump's.

campaign promises to be turned into legislation. and so there is some consternation when it comes. >> to. >> medicaid cuts. and part of the reason. >> that speaker. johnson had such a. >> hurdle in getting through the initial procedural vote on this is because some more moderate members within his conference were coming to him, saying. >> that they were concerned. >> about the on the ground impact to their constituents who. >> rely on programs. >> like medicaid. so we're watching to see how they actually end up. building that legislation in real time. but i also thought with. democrats last night. >> and i'm sure mike. >> allen, you saw this too. there was really a striking dissonance. i think. the debate that we often hear from. democrats of how best to respond, what should it look like? should it be an all out resistance? should it be. >> something that's more tepid? >> should we be swinging? >> not at. >> every punch. we saw that on display last night, as even. >> congressman al green. >> got kicked out at the very beginning. of the speech. but then you have elissa slotkin. >> giving a. >> more muted response in a state that trump won, but also that elected her. >> no ally. >> that's exactly right, because. >> these members.

>> know that. >> a. >> lot of what trump is talking about is popular, and the idea of what he is talking about is popular in many cases. we have a column up on axios right now by jim vandehei. i mean. >> trump on steroids. >> and what we saw was 9900 words, 100 minutes of trump being trump. trump powering past those literal headlines that we just saw and sketching what he sees as his golden age. no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on social security. i think this was a new one. no tax on car interest payments on cars that are made in america. and he's saying more chips, the best chips, more cars. and the caveat to that the. reality check of that is that, like these are contradicted by so much of the data that we're seeing, and he is saying that he's going to set

this high bar and stick with it. yeah. >> all right. still ahead on morning joe, we're going to go live to cnbc for a closer look at how president trump's tariffs continue to impact wall street and the u.s. economy. plus, democratic congresswoman debbie dingell joins us with her thoughts on the president's speech last night. also, i'm here in abu dhabi for the know your value and forbes fourth annual 3050 summit, just ahead of international women's day, which is on saturday. it's going to be an action packed week. we're going to hear from trailblazers including actress freida pinto, olympic swimmer and syrian refugee yusra mardini, investor alexis ohanian and many more. our summit comes at a time when there are immense challenges for women around the world. >> the rollback. >> of health care, persistent inequality, wars around the world and our summit kicked off

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charts. your first one just puts in very starkly. >> how big these tariffs. >> really are in the context of history. >> yeah. well trump did some tariffs during trump 1.0 as you know. and i wanted to show how those compare to what he's doing now as well as to history. so if you come over here you can see that for a long period of time, we had not a lot of movement on tariffs. and then trump came in and tariffs were a beautiful thing. we got the whole speech back then. but he actually did limit a lot what he did to a few products a few countries. and of course remember that he negotiated the usmca, the new so-called free trade agreement between canada and mexico, which is now in effect ripped up. but in any event, and then biden actually brought them down a bit. and these new tariffs on china, on mexico and canada have brought our average tariff rate to over 10%. and just to put that in perspective, this is the highest tariff rate we have had

since world war two. the whole history of post-world war two was bringing tariffs down, bring countries together, making them economically more integrated as a means also of having more peace and less likelihood that one of them would attack another. and now trump has gone the other way. he's doing this against the backdrop that is not ideal inflation. we can debate who's fault inflation is. he certainly took a shot at biden last night. but inflation has come down. but it's kind of stuck around 3%. and the fed's target is 4%. and this has implications for interest rates. it will be very hard for the fed to cut interest rates further with inflation stuck around 3% and even going up a little bit. meanwhile, and more significantly, inflation expectations play a big role in what actually happens, what people project is going to happen, and they behave on the basis of what they think is going to happen, can actually become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. right

now, consumers are expecting 4.3% inflation, and with a couple of exceptions. that's the highest it's been since in the post covid period. and tariffs have played a big role in this. people do. it has penetrated the public consciousness that tariffs are inflationary. and they are now looking at more inflation, which simply makes the fed's job harder. >> and that's probably. >> steve. >> because they are inflationary. so as we move to your second chart, as you and others have said ad nauseum, almost every economist will. tell you, if you put these kind of tariffs in place, things are just going to be more expensive. so what are you looking at there? >> yeah. and i'll say just one more time, at the risk of being too ad nauseam, that tariffs are like a national sales tax. they increase the price of what americans pay for goods that come from overseas. and so here's a study from the budget lab that looks at some of the categories where the price increases are likely to be the biggest. not surprisingly, they're categories where we

import large, if not the bulk of what americans buy. consumer, consumer computers and electronics, we know, are not really made here very much. and so those imports are going to potentially drive the prices of those up 10.6% leather products. you could almost look at this list as a proxy for what we don't make anywhere else. and therefore we have to import it. leather products, electrical equipment, wearing apparel, especially motor vehicles, are very complicated in terms of what's made here, what's made in china, what's made in japan, and what's imported from elsewhere. and textiles, we don't make much of here and so on and so forth. and so what is the effect on the average american consumer, as i've said repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, and you've said it, it is a form of national sales tax. according to the budget lab, again, nonpartisan group, they think that the average cost to an american will be about $1,800 a year from these tariffs. and of

course, if you impose more tariffs, the cost will go up. and not surprisingly, again, these tariffs hit poor people. the most people down at the bottom in the lowest 10%. we don't even have data. but the second 10% of people who are people well down the food chain, they're going to lose 2.4% of their income. but as you get up toward the top, where people are buying all kinds of different things and they're not as dependent on on imports from these countries, down 0.9%. and i would just add, maybe i should have had a bar on it here that for you, all you guacamole lovers out there. yes. virtually every avocado is imported from mexico and the price of avocados are likely to go up 25%. so i would suggest buying your very, very quickly. >> bringing it home. >> also. >> let's not forget beer and tequila. i mean, we can add that as long as we're talking about guacamole. all right, let's move to your third star. third chart steve. the economy softening a bit. you touched on consumer

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>> back to president trump's joint address to congress last night, first term democratic senator elissa slotkin of michigan delivered the party's response. she spoke for about ten minutes from just outside detroit, warning of the consequences of the president's agenda and urging americans to stay engaged. >> president trump is trying to deliver an unprecedented giveaway to his billionaire friends. he's on the hunt to find trillions of dollars to pass along to the wealthiest in america. and to do that, he's going to make you pay in every part of your life. your premiums and prescriptions will cost mor, because the math on his proposals doesn't work without going after your health care. meanwhile, for those keeping score, the national debt is going up, not down. and if he's not careful, he could walk us right into a recession. and one more thing. in order to pay for his plan, he could very well come after your retirement. the social security, medicare and va

benefits you worked your whole life to earn. the president claims he won't. but elon musk just called social security the biggest ponzi scheme of all time. we need a more efficient government. you want to cut waste? i'll help you do it. but change doesn't need to be chaotic or make us less safe. the mindless firing of people who work to protect our nuclear weapons, keep our planes from crashing, and conduct the research that finds the cure for cancer, only to rehire them two days later. no ceo in america could do that without being summarily fired. we all know that our country is going through something right now. we're not sure what the next day is going to hold, let alone the next decade. but this isn't the first time we've experienced significant and tumultuous change as a country. i'm a student of history, and we've gone through periods of political instability before.

and ultimately, we've chosen to keep changing this country for the better. but every single time, we've only gotten through those moments because of two things engaged citizens and principled leaders, engaged citizens who do a little bit more than they're used to doing to fight for the things that they care about. and principled leaders who are ready to receive the ball and do something about it. >> joining us now, democratic congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. she was in attendance for president trump's address to the joint session of congress last night. also with us, msnbc political analyst elise jordan. with us still. she's former aide to the george w bush white house and state department congresswoman. your reaction to the president's speech last night? your senator's democratic response? and how do democrats drive this message moving forward? well, it was 100 minutes, as we've all discussed, of a lot of drama and theater

and two minutes of economics. so but i also i'm going to be very honest with you, it was one of the tensest nights. i can't count how many state of the unions i've attended over the years, both as a member and a spouse, and it was it was like nothing that i had ever seen. i will say this, i think elissa slotkin did an excellent job. she, by the way, wind up michigan's the down river, as you all hear me talk about the area that made me say to you in 2016, hillary clinton wasn't going to win. i think she delivered a very direct message about the issues that are facing us, and are the issues that we've got to work on, and democrats have got to do a better job of listening to working people, talking to them in ways that they see and understand, in lifting up the human stories of what the consequences are of the actions that the president has

undertaken so far. >> so. >> congresswoman, i want to follow up with what you said. you, like me, been to a few of these. you've i would guess you've been to quite a few more. what what made this the most tense presidential address you've been at before in congress? >> so first of all, it was a political speech. and it was the most partizan moment i've ever been in that i'm just, you know, me. i'm always honest. i think the state, it's not the state of the union. it was the i forget what we called it, but address. but it's a time to try to bring the country together. that chamber has never been more divided. and i felt it in a way. you know, i have a ton of friends on the republican side. i want to work with them when i can. i'm not going to work with them if it's going to hurt the people of my state, my country or my district. but the tension in that room was palpable last night. and i do believe that the president fanned some of those

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and let's bring in right now democratic senator from new york city, minority leader chuck schumer. mr. leader, thank you so much for being with us. we start with open ended question. tell us your reaction to last night's speech. look. the speech. >> didn't address what the american. >> people really. >> care about. >> it was. >> 100 minute diatribe, self-serving self-congratulating. but costs are the. real thing americans care about. >> the only thing. >> they talked about on costs was tariffs. and tariffs are going to. raise costs across the board. it's not just one little area. >> or another little area. >> it will raise the cost of food. it will raise the cost of gas. it will raise the cost of building a home. it will raise the cost of cars. how you do these tariffs with canada, joe, when 40%, 40% of the parts in an american made car come from canada, it will destroy that industry. now let's just compare that to elissa slotkin. i was so

proud. i chose her because she is one of our rising. >> stars. >> and in five there was much more. truth and much more direct things directed. >> at what. americans care about. >> in five. >> minutes. >> of elissa slotkin than in 100. >> minutes of that long. self-serving speech. >> that donald trump. gave to. >> say he is the. >> greatest president. >> since george washington. >> give me a break. >> with all the. chaos and people hurt in. >> 30 days. >> he's in his. >> own bubble. i actually think to correct you, senator, he suggested he was better than george washington. the george washington was number two, and he was number one. excuse me, excuse me. yeah. you know, it's interesting, one of fox news's senior political reporters, analysts said it was the most partizan presidential speech he's ever heard inside the chambers. and brit hume is has been around a very long time. i

know you have as well. i guess the question that asks itself is where is this president going to go when he needs democrats to pass budgets, to pass crs, to pass the things he's going to need to pass? >> i think, joe, one thing that's characteristic. >> of this. >> speech, many are, is that they don't think things through. something appeals to donald trump, and he spews it out. and to many of the people around him, just say, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir. that was true of tariffs. they talked about tariffs. you know, the 20% against canada and mexico, the 10% against china. then. then in the speech he said we're going to do reciprocal tariffs. they don't think these things through. and as a result there's chaos and they're not going to get anything done. and they need. >> to do. >> things in a bipartisan way. >> but trump doesn't seem to care about that. he seems to just enjoy talking to his base. and let me just say this that's not going to serve him well. when you attack social security,

probably the most popular federal program. excuse me. and they didn't just attack it with the words of elon musk, you know, it's a ponzi scheme. tell the senior citizen who gets that $1,100 a month and needs it to pay for food, to pay for medicine, that it's a ponzi scheme, but they're also cutting. they cut 7000 people out of social security offices. so they're really, you know, they're going to do that. so they do that. they do the tariffs. they're cutting medicaid all. >> why are. >> they. >> doing all. >> these things that are so unpopular with the american people? simple. they want to give tax breaks to their billionaire buddies and they need revenues to do it. and they're hurting the average american family to do just that. elissa slotkin pointed that out. >> so well. >> i hope. >> all your listeners and everyone across america will listen to her ten minutes, which had far more truth in it, far more things that affect americans than donald trump's hundred minute ramble. >> senator. >> we came in with a clip of stephen colbert telling

democrats do something. we've had other people on this show, democrats being critical, saying that you and akeem jeffries and other democratic leaders on the hill aren't doing enough. first of all, respond to those criticisms from other democrats. and also let us know what what is your plan? what can you do being in the minority? >> well, let me tell you our plan, which is a very good plan. the plan is to organize. the most important thing you can do is to protest is organizing. it's not easy, but the american people are rising to the cause. so i had a call set. >> up with. >> our major activists in new york state. you know, lots of them. i thought about 500 people would get on the call. 3000 did. and here's what we decided to do on the issues that so affect americans. the cuts to medicaid, social security, the tariffs. we're going to focus on the six republican congress members in

new york state. as you know, the margin is so small in the house that only two would change. only two vote, two people changing their vote would help us win some of those fights. we're focused. we're getting other senators to go to go after republican senators in their own states. the best way to do this is organize, because their actual program is so unpopular and so bad for the american people. i believe organizing has a very good chance of succeeding. that's the answer that i have. that's the answer hakeem is doing in the house. and it is the best way to protest the horrible things that trump is doing. >> could you specifically tell us how medicaid cuts would be devastating, not just to new york city, but also to read the read part of your state that you represent upstate new york, where rural hospitals, nursing homes, about 35, 40, 45% of

children's healthcare depends primarily on medicaid. and i just ask specifically if you are a new york congressman that either represents upstate new york or wants to get elected statewide, how could you vote for. funding being slashed from medicaid so you can pay for tax. cuts for the richest americans? >> you're on the money. you know, new york has the third largest rural population in america, mainly in upstate, of all in upstate, of course. and so i'm very familiar. our rural hospitals will close if they have these $800 billion cuts in medicaid. they are the only way rural people can get health care. and they are often the largest employers in many of these rural counties. we have community health centers where rural people can walk in and get decent health care. they can't go to a hospital. it's 50 or 100 miles away, and then they'd have to sit in a waiting room, cut them there, the most efficient

part of the health care system. and yet musk and dodge say get rid of them in terms of cutting medicaid, in terms of the cuts that they have proposed, it will be devastating. and that's why focusing on these republican congressmen and senators and letting the constituencies know, i don't care if they're republican or democrat. they care about medicaid. they care about the cost that tariffs would bring to them. focus on those things. and we can have we can really push back on the republican members. so that's what the best thing to do is. and you're so right, medicaid doesn't just affect the inner city, although it does. and by the way, it doesn't just affect rural areas in the suburbs. how about all those suburban couples that are earning a nice living? but mom or pop is in a nursing home and you slash medicaid, which is paying to keep them in a nursing home, and you're telling them, well, your mother in law is coming to live with you, you better you better build another room on the house. and of course, the room will cost more because of the tariffs on

wood. >> well, and of course, often, often that's just not an option. if the parent is in advanced state of dementia or if there are other challenges. so again, these cuts would leave a lot of people in upstate new york and in rural america and the exurbs without much of an opportunity. let me ask you about. >> i just want to say this in the next few months, these devastating cuts on medicaid, on imposing tariffs on maybe social security are going to actually be felt by the american people. and i believe donald trump's popularity will plummet. it's beginning to go down a little bit now, but it will go down much further once these things take effect. he's not backing off on them, as the speech showed on tariffs. and he didn't even mention medicaid, which is such an important issue. and so people aren't going to like what he's proposing. the number one issue in the election, we all agreed, was costs. now he's

raising costs. tariffs should raise the average costs on the average american family by $2,000. one new estimate, $2,700. and across the board, you know everything food and gas and cars. so this is not going to bode well. and this speech may have been applauded by the maga right for all its rhetoric and nastiness and divisiveness, but it ain't going to go down well with the american people. >> four years ago we were recovering from january 6th. and i can say that remembering lindsey graham, kevin mccarthy, most republicans being horrified by january the 6th, independents being horrified by january the 6th. there's been, of course, a massive rewriting of history. and those numbers have changed. but that's sad. even in even in that environment, joe biden there does seek bipartisan compromise, and many in his own party mocked him for trying to do that. but he did it. he he passed more bipartisan

legislation than any president this century. i know you need a willing partner. and right now, donald trump is not acting like a willing partner for bipartisan legislation. but let's just look forward. what are some areas that you and republicans and the white house could come together on? so. we could move past this, this sort of ugliness, this nastiness that turns off so many americans? >> well, i think you're right. and so many people want bipartisan compromise in your right. of those seven bills that we passed back in 2022, six were bipartisan. but let's take something like the chips act, which is bringing chip manufacturing back to america, which i, a democrat, and todd young, the republican, were the coauthors of. and it got a lot of republican votes as well as

democrat. he said he wants to cut it. i don't even know why he wants to cut it. they say they want to bring chip manufacturing back to the united states. they say they want good paying jobs in lots of areas that don't have them. we're so proud of the big chip fabs that are going up across upstate new york and syracuse and albany, and in between buffalo and rochester. why would he do that? and if he stays partizan as he is, he's not going to get anything done. and that's not going to inure to his benefit or to the republican party's benefit. so i hope they do work with us in a bipartisan way. you know, one of the things is bringing manufacturing back to the united states like we've done in the chips act. we can do a lot more of that. there are there are things we can work with if they're willing to work with us. so far, by the tone of last night's speech, they're not. but let me just say one other thing. if his numbers continue to go down, if, as i believe it will, his popularity will decline because he's proposing so many things that hurt. the average american do nothing about the number one

issue costs, and instead give tax breaks to these billionaires. we're going to start finding some of these republican senators are less afraid of trump and are willing to join us in the kinds of activities that we did, the kind of bills we did that helped america back in 2022. i was so proud as majority leader to lead the charge on those, and i found a lot of willingness on republicans back then. hopefully we'll find it again. >> so. >> leader schumer, there were a lot of people watching last night who surely agreed with what donald trump had to say, that they believed what he had to say about his accomplishments. they believed that the cuts he's proposing sound good. these are perhaps low information voters who don't have ready access to fact checks. they they don't recognize that much of what he said last night were lies. in fact, poll after poll shows that low information voters in last year's election, including independents, broke heavily for him. so how do you break through that as democrats? what how do you surpass that challenge of reaching those voters to say, hey, actually, this is hurting you?

>> look, some of those voters are never going to change. they may be maga and, you know, they're they're upset and angry and all that. but a lot of those voters, once the tariffs start hitting, once the medicaid cuts start hitting, once they see that the attempt to dismantle social security, you know, one of the most sacred programs in america may be real. they're not going to support him any as they do now. and so the point is that he is not reaching out to compromise, which always works better. and in the long term, for the american people. we always try to do things on our side in a bipartisan way. but because he's not doing that, i think you will find over the next while people turning away from him. these medicaid cuts are highly unpopular. look, you saw the republican town hall meetings, republican town hall meetings in conservative districts were so angry at what they were doing that the i think the head of the republican campaign committee had to say, republicans hold no more town hall meetings. that means hide

from the people because the people don't like what you're doing. >> yeah. and you are right about that. that guidance went out from the nrcc yesterday telling members, stop these town hall meetings, at least for the time being. senate minority leader. yeah. go ahead. finish, sir. >> no. if the programs were popular, they'd be happy to have town hall meetings and cheer them. but they're not. they're unpopular. they're bad for america. they won't lower your costs. they'll raise your costs. all to help the billionaires. that's the theme that we are echoing, and it's resonating with the american people. >> senate minority leader chuck schumer. senator. thank you. thanks. let's now bring in member of the new york times editorial board, mara gay, nbc news senior business analyst and host, of course, of the 11th hour, stephanie ruhle and nbc news national affairs analyst and a partner and chief political columnist at puck, john hoffman. elise jordan, also still with us. you know, steph let you i know you were on air last night. thank you for being here this morning. give us your broad strokes reaction to the speech, but particularly zeroing

in on on some of the economic news we heard was donald, president trump last night acknowledging that there might be a little bit of pain felt as these tariffs go into place. >> we'll talk about the tariffs. and there. >> was one. >> area where he sort of skipped over them, but he was really talking about them where he said and did you see rates went down today. pay attention to that. he's not talking about fed rates. doge elon musk has basically said that the doge report card will be ten year treasury yields going down. and what donald trump was saying last night is like, hey, did you see that? that's a positive, but not because doge is successful. doge wants you to think that doge equals deficit reduction. doge is barely denting the deficit. okay. if they got. >> rid of. >> all 3 million federal employees, that's 5% of the budget. that doesn't dent anything. what actually happened is you are seeing the stock market crater because of tariffs over the last week, because of fears of a trade war. and when

the stock market tanks, people dump out of stocks and they go to treasuries, they buy treasuries. here's a nerdy little economics 101 lesson, right. when you buy treasuries, the price of treasuries go up and the yield goes down. so yes elon musk got well did you see you know treasury yields going down. that's not a positive. it means the stock market is tanking. and what was really interesting yesterday right. donald trump has this big business administration. howard lutnick just stepped down as ceo of cantor fitzgerald. this man is worth $2 billion. his his treasury secretary scott bessent. the reason, you know, he has this job is he's an extraordinary wall street investor for years and years. they know exactly how tariffs work. so the fact that yesterday morning at 8 a.m, howard lutnick is on television talking about american dominance, right. time to put these tariffs on our closest allies. remember the last time donald trump was in office? he was the one who negotiated basically nafta 2.0

usmca. what we have with those two countries, by the end of the day, after lutnick had been getting calls, i'm sure all day long from people saying, what in the world are you doing? well, maybe we're working out a deal. there's not a deal yet. and for the president to even say, well, tariffs are going to be short term pain, but it'll be fine. we already know the ceo of ford has said tariffs would blow a hole in the auto industry. for donald trump to say farmers have some fun out there. have some fun. yes. if we had restrictive tariffs, you know, farmers wouldn't have international competition. but remember, we produce more food in this country than we could ever consume. they need to export to lots of other countries. and when you think about all the food from this country, that goes out to usaid, also huge. so it's disingenuous for them to talk about tariffs like in the short term, they're a good thing for us. all they are is a sales tax on us. that's why it's a very tricky thing for him to talk about. and the idea of doge and a lot of this is positive,

but when you actually drill down, they are not yet creating a dent. if they were, it would be social security, medicare and medicaid, which they may be coming for, but at least not yet. >> steph, why don't why don't you just run us through a very quick. we have dom chu we want. we're about to go to. but i'd love for you to go through more fact checking the president talking about balancing the budget, when, of course, cbo says that his plan increases the debt $20 trillion over the next decade, which would be unprecedented, would take us from a $36 trillion to a $56 trillion debt ridden country, which is unsustainable. it's unsustainable. and, you know, i'm i'm just going to say this people like me were mocked. by left wing economists for talking about for years, about spending too much money and how it would lead to inflation. and then it led to inflation and everybody just kind of apologized. there is no bounce back from the

fiscal disaster that would happen with a $56 trillion national debt. there is no, you know, three point plan to get us back in a year. so talk about, first of all, how dangerous these plans are. and secondly, just the fact checking on what you saw last night. >> okay. i'm definitely here to mock you any day of the week, but i can't mock you on that, joe, because you're 100% right. and beyond just the basic fact checks of what donald trump was talking about when he goes on and on and is complimenting all the doj's doing to get rid of waste and fraud, i think there's a point that's been overlooked over and over. and chuck schumer started to touch on it. when you see these huge cuts to things like to things like public universities, to medical centers, you might not think about it so much in new york city or washington, dc, but in certain parts of the country, these are the biggest employers. it's why you have republican senators like katie britt in

alabama urging the president, do not make these cuts to nih. why? or public universities? university of alabama is the biggest employer in that state. chuck schumer was just talking about upstate new york. university of rochester is in charge of 39,000 jobs. if you suddenly pulled the funding from all of these different economies, you're going to crumble. you're going to strangle regional economies around the country. so, yeah, they're not going to have town halls. you didn't see a big response to donald trump saying consumer sentiment is soaring. consumer sentiment is not soaring. people are bracing themselves. you know, the business community. donald trump did the unthinkable. he killed animal spirits, despite the fact that he that he's going to be extending tax cuts, that it's going to be a deregulatory bonanza, and that this is a big business administration. in the last two weeks alone, you've seen lots of people in the business community, many who were supporters of the

president, suddenly paralyzed, saying, i can't look right. i can't look left. i don't know what this guy is about to do. and the thing that's most disturbing for them, and he didn't talk about it much, is truly his alignment with russia in the last week. i'll tell you this last point, joe. in the last week, i heard that someone pretty close to donald trump in this administration had just voiced privately in a white house meeting that maybe we need to lay off ukraine. that person has already been boxed out. so when you wonder, how could the likes of a howard lutnick, a scott bessent and others who understand markets, who understand the economy, why aren't they pushing back? here's why. joe. these guys already have unlimited, not unlimited money. they're hugely successful when it comes to money, but now they're hugely successful in terms of power, and they have all fought tooth and nail to get these very powerful positions, and they're going to do anything they can to hang on to them. and we all know how do you hang on to them. agree with donald trump. and so no guardrails. that's what we're dealing with. >> certainly a familiar story. people compromising their values

and principles to stay close to president trump. as promised. let's now bring in cnbc's dom chu. and dom steph just said a moment ago the evolution from commerce secretary yesterday pounding his chest about tariffs in the morning later in the afternoon, suggesting o might need to revisit just now. a few moments ago, he gave a tv interview in which he said the trump administration will make an announcement later today about the tariffs on mexico and canada, suggesting not promising but suggesting the president might provide some potential relief in certain sectors. tell us any more we know about that, but also just the impact of the tariffs so far. and what a change like this might mean. >> sure, jonathan, if you take a look at basically what the markets are dealing with right now, what we had is an early indication at least, that we were trying to claw back some of the losses from the last couple of days, but in just the last, maybe 10 or 15 minutes or so, the markets have turned negative ahead of the opening bell. so any potential bounce might be modest in the early going. now, that is due in part to some of that weaker than expected

economic data on the jobs front. earlier this morning, private payrolls processor adp reported america added just 77,000 private sector jobs during the month of february. that fell way short of economists expectations and again, way short of what they were just in the month of january alone. if you take a look at the reaction, traders and investors are also still digesting president trump's address to congress last night. at this stage, wall street has pretty much become much more measured about how it reacts to rhetoric, and maybe more forceful for how it reacts to actual policy enactment, which is why we got the big sell off in the markets on the tariff implementation. but that tariff policy, as you point out, there are course corrections that may be being made. commerce secretary lutnick is a huge variable in that market right now, both from a market economic and political perspective. because of those comments made about the trump administration looking into ways to provide tariff relief to certain industries, provided they have

been abiding by the previously enacted u.s, mexico, canada usmca trade agreement. lutnick also made comments, by the way, to reporters just last night after trump's address to congress, that there could be an update to tariffs impacting canada and mexico today, saying it will not eliminate the tariffs, but it might modify the tariffs somewhat. a reuters report, citing people familiar, indicates the exemptions to tariffs could focus on the auto makers specifically that have been complying with usmca. now, hypothetically, u.s. auto makers could get a big win in terms of gm, ford and chrysler, jeep and dodge parent company stellantis, which is why shares of those companies are notably higher in early trading. so if those comments come out this afternoon on auto makers, you could expect a big market reaction. and then another piece of news i just want to flag is that intersection of wall street and global transportation. the world's biggest asset manager announced plans to outright

purchase two panama canal ports. this is fund manager blackrock leading a consortium of investment firms in buying two ports on either side of the panama canal for $22.8 billion from hong kong based ck hutchison. it's part of a broader deal to buy controlling interest in dozens of other ports around the world from that company, which is, by the way, one of the companies that operates under hong kong billionaire li ka shing's empire. now, president trump, remember, has called into question the security around those ports, in part to their perceived connection to china. so there's a lot of moving parts for sure, jonathan, in this whole business day so far. >> yes, a couple trump advisors really pleased with those purchases around the canal last night. we'll see where it goes from here. cnbc's dom. dom. thank you mara. of course, last night's speech was not just about economic issues. there was a lot of real cultural red meat that president trump was throwing to the base. there was quite a bit on attacks on di, a lengthy section about transgender athletes, and of

course, the usaid, much of which he was really mocking, you know, the some of the programs, some we should note factually incorrect, but mocking some of these programs in countries around the world, including many of them in africa. so give us your sense as to who was he talking to there? >> well. >> he's talking to both his base as usual, and he's talking to. >> lower. information voters. >> and he's also able to talk around people who maybe like some of the other things. he's doing on tariffs or. >> on doge. >> and don't. >> necessarily hear the dog. whistle in. >> the way donald. >> trump speaks. but i can tell you. >> that the view from. >> black america. is very clear and also from blue america. >> from. >> communities, states, families. >> who feel that they. >> are. >> under attack directly from the president of the united states. >> the word. >> woke. >> is often just in a word that

we. >> use to describe black people. >> or now. >> i would include transgender americans in that. so this is not just rhetoric, because we have to also. >> remember that. >> when we talk about the. >> potential cuts. >> to. >> medicaid, when we. >> talk about social security cuts, when we talk about pulling funding. >> from universities. >> and the job chaos and. destruction that that creates, that's not only going to hurt liberal america, but i can tell you right now that liberal. >> america is already. >> feeling this. there are a lot of black. americans who feel throughout corporate america right now. >> that their. >> jobs are not safe. gay americans, certainly transgender americans, liberal americans. >> who have not. >> maybe complied or been. >> able to keep. >> their mouths. >> shut in. >> academia, all of their jobs are, whether real or not, perceived to be deeply insecure right now. and that's true whether you are an employee at

target, you. >> know, where. >> they're no longer they're pulling back on dei commitments. whether you work in a large institution like the nih. you know, i think the sad part is not only are these all, by the way. >> americans, people. >> who live in cities, black people, transgender people, we too are americans. so this is wrong. but because the federal government and its workforce has been cast. as only in blue america, or only for black people or or nonwhite people, now. >> the rest of. >> america is going. >> to. >> suffer, too. we're already seeing it, which is why the republicans are too afraid to show up in front of their own constituents now, because you have their constituents saying, wait a second, what about my crop? i can't sell it to you because usaid is dead, thanks to the billionaire that you put in the. white house to sell the government for scrap. so that's what's happening across america. and i think the. democrats are fixated on cost, and that's important. but this isn't just

about cost. this is about job security. this is about dignity. this is about stability among people who hire. right. because there's a lot of people who are unemployed right now. >> and i can tell you. >> that. >> job market. >> is very tough. so this chaos is not just rhetoric anymore. it's already happening. it's hurting real people right now. >> well, and it's hurting. it's hurting people in urban areas. it's hurting people in suburbs. it's hurting people in rural america. i mean, and you have these random cuts that that we're seeing aren't thought through. again, i think we all believe there's waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government. but just going wildly at things, of course, making mistakes, cutting, you know, from from the faa, cutting from the tsa, making flight safety less secure. and you could talk about nuclear security. you can talk about food safety. i mean, we

could just keep going down the list. and, you know, it's so fascinating, elise, that that you keep hearing about usaid. oh, they have this horrible problem in botswana, this program, they had this horrible program in, i don't know where, you know, malawi. and they'll pick out these programs that that will horrify their base. well, the president and elon musk has the power to if they believe they have the power of impoundment, which i don't know that the supreme court is going to confirm, they do. but if that's their operating logic, then cut those programs that are offensive and not the evangelical programs that your supporters support, not pepfar. that was driven by george w bush's evangelical faith and saved 25 million lives in africa, not other evangelical

charities. catholic charities. again, i say this to say that this is this whole exercise to quote own the libs is actually going to end up if you're whether you're talking about medicaid, whether you're talking about cutting pepfar's, whether you're going to go after the interest and the lives of actually a lot of people who voted for donald trump. >> in joe marco rubio specifically said that life saving programs would not be subject to these cuts, that those programs would be preserved. yet we've seen, at least through reporting, certain famine programs were cut, certain health care critical health care programs were cut. and so they just seem to have absolutely no idea about what they're what they have on the chopping block and what are the essential programs that they need to cut. and i for one, i've worked at a usaid project in afghanistan. i'm the first person who will tell you that there is plenty that can be reformed and should be reformed, but the way they've gone about it has just created more chaos,

and not it isn't contributing to cutting the deficit. and so that's what i would ask john holman right now. last night you heard from trump a ton of proposals that are just going to cost more money. and the whole shock and all of doge has been supposedly to cut the deficit and to cut spending. what is with the, you know, the practice of cutting spending versus how, you know, what's actually what he's actually promised. >> there's a lot in. >> that, elise. >> i and. >> i think. >> it all kind of points to the question you're asking, points to. i think the thing that struck me most of all, and it struck me over the course of the whole first part of this, of this new trump term, which is to think. >> about the politics. >> of this, which is. a whole lot of things that donald trump is either doing. or talking about doing are just not very

popular. i mean, politically, they're they're, you know, if there's anything to the laws of physics that have governed our politics for all of our adult lives, you would never get up in front of a joint session of congress and talk in a kind of cavalier way about social security and cutting social security the way that donald trump did. now, if you really wanted to tackle the deficit over the long term, some would say that entitlement reform is necessary, but you wouldn't. stand up. and make a. >> mockery. >> kind of the single most popular program in the history of american domestic policy, and so that the tariffs themselves, the kind of the attacks on things that. >> are extraordinarily. >> popular, like the va, the kind of designating elon musk's the chainsaw wielder in chief, all. >> of that. it's all. just wildly. >> unpopular and politically risky. and so it raises the. question of what. >> is really going on with donald trump here.

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court putting some limits, it would seem, on what president trump and his adviser elon musk can do. >> yeah, it's i just found out about it as we were sitting here as well. and it's unfortunate. you know, i wish it would have went the other way. but at the end of the day, the supreme court is the law of the land, and we need to actually follow the law of the supreme court. so i'll take a look at it and see what the ruling is when, when we get done. but we still have to move forward. and that's exactly what we're going to do. >> yeah. and certainly the trump administration, you know, has suggested they will abide by court orders. donald trump other moments have suggested maybe not. we shall see what happens in the days ahead. let's now turn to the main event last night, the president's speech there in the building behind you. your reactions. do you think that he was able to communicate his vision for the country to voters, but in particular about those day to day economic crises that you

helped win in the campaign? >> yeah, i thought he did an amazing job. i mean, i was with the president prior to he was excited, he was energized, and he was ready. and when he got when he gave the address, i thought it was positive. i thought he had a vision. i thought he had a message. and i thought he laid out a very optimistic future for america. look at we are getting america back on track. we're securing our border. we are talking about actually getting a peace deal in in ukraine. we're we're bringing hostages home. listen, his message was loud and clear. if you wanted to hear the message. and that is america was back. so i was extremely optimistic. i know my constituents were optimistic. and all in all, we thought it was a good message, a good vision. and america is back. >> congressman, you say you and

your constituents pleased by what you heard last night, but the wall street journal editorial board has a new piece this morning titled trump's tariffs whack trump voters. it reads in part this way president trump won the presidency a second time by promising working class voters he'd lift their real incomes, which makes it all the more puzzling that he's so intent on imposing tariffs that will punish those same americans. tariffs are taxes, and mr. trump's latest tariffs are estimated to be about an annual $150 billion tax increase. taxes are anti-growth. mr. trump's tariff spree is the triumph of ideology over, well, common sense. let's hope the president soon comes to his senses. and congressman. let's get your reaction to this. the journal had to say, but in particular on tariffs, which do some economists believe hurts working class americans, particularly those in the auto industry, which, of course, that's the state of michigan. >> yeah. well, i'm glad that

people are concerned about taxes. so i'm i'm encouraged to know that all of the democrats will probably vote with us to extend the trump tax cuts, because we wouldn't want to raise taxes on average americans. but as it pertains to the tariffs, remember, tariffs are a negotiation tool to have fair trade and to put america and americans country and people first. and that's exactly what they're doing. if you also notice how it lutnick noticed last night that canada is actually coming to the table and coming to the table to negotiate tariffs and fair trade with the american government. and that's exactly what it's designed to do. look at we want investments in america. we want products to be made in america. we want manufacturing to be done in america. and most of all, we want fair trade for america. and

that's exactly what the tariffs are designed to do. now there's a difference between short term and long term. and i would just ask to be a little bit patient and different than the previous administration. president trump will use every tool available to him to make sure that we have free and fair trade. and tariffs are a negotiation tool that i would argue are already working. look at what canada and mexico did with the flow of fentanyl. president trump threatened tariffs a month ago if they didn't comply and send troops to the border to help stop the flow of fentanyl. what did they do? they responded to the threat of tariffs. what did we see last night? we saw foreign countries like canada coming to the table saying, hey, we want to negotiate with you. we want to have fair trade agreements. so i would beg to differ with you a little bit on. let's wait and see how this plays out.

>> congresswoman elise jordan here in your role as chair of the house conference, house republican conference. you heard a lot of cats on a daily basis. and so i wanted to know what you think of the nrc's guidance to members in a closed door meeting that they should not do in-person town hall meetings, and they had other ways to communicate with their members. yeah. >> i think you missed the message a little bit. the goal for us as congress, congress people, as you know, is to communicate with our constituents, not an organized disrupter funded by george soros. so the issue is, how do we best communicate and listen and hear our constituents? and as you know, there are many different ways. there's tele town halls to deal with our to communicate with our constituents. there's newsletters, you know, i can share with you. we've answered

thousands of emails, but our goal is to communicate with our constituents, not to have a circus and be disrupted by by by others. we want to deal with our constituents, and what is the best way to do that? and that was the message. >> congresswoman, i just want to push back a little bit, though. you are elected to office to speak to the american people, no matter which side of the aisle they come from. and you specifically cite that george soros funded organizers are coming and disrupting these town halls. where has that happened? can you give us some examples of that? >> all you need to do is turn on the tv and it's all over the place. so what i'm sharing with you is how do we communicate with people in a effective, respectful manner where people can actually have a conversation with people and actually hear

the issues? because you're right. i want to communicate with all of my constituents, and i do. but it's hard to communicate with people when they're shouting, and they don't let anyone get a word in edgewise. i think there's a little bit more effective ways to communicate, and that's what we're doing, right? we have tele town halls. like i said, we have newsletters. there's not just one focus. and i hope the message that everyone is hearing is communication is what we need. disagreement is not disloyalty, but you have to be able to hear the other person to have disagreements. >> all right. well. >> house republican conference chairman, congressman lisa mclean of michigan. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. have a good day. >> you the same congresswoman, offering some differing viewpoints there. and we should note, when we heard, we played sound from the senator marshall's town hall in kansas, those were indeed locals making the making their voices heard and being upset about these

cuts. we got some more breaking news this morning. now we are now learning that president trump's move to halt aid to ukraine also includes a pause in sharing intelligence with that country. a significant development here. cia director john ratcliffe spoke about the decision on fox business just moments ago, saying he doesn't think, though the pause will last for much longer. >> in this case. as as. >> everyone saw play out. president trump. >> had a. >> real question about whether president zelensky was committed to the peace process, and. >> he. >> said, let's pause. i want to give you a chance to think about that. and you saw the response that president zelensky put out. >> a. >> statement saying, i'm ready for peace, and i want donald trump's leadership to bring about that peace. and so i think on the military front and the intelligence front, the pause that that allowed. >> that to. >> happen, i think will go away and i think will work shoulder to shoulder with ukraine as we have to push back on the aggression that's there. but to

put the world in a better place for these peace negotiations to move forward. >> it is interesting we're hearing the same thing on this news, this breaking news that we're also hearing on tariffs, the belief by allies of donald trump that they're temporary. let's bring in right now nbc news senior national security correspondent courtney kube. courtney, you know and i know you hear this all the time. but if you talk about the issues that are important when it comes to the united states supporting ukraine, the top of the list, obviously, weapons that allow them to push back the russians. but right there, a close second is intelligence sharing, which has been absolutely critical to the ukrainians being able to fight against the russians over the last three years. what are you hearing about this latest update? >> yeah, and, joe, i. >> would even. >> add one more. >> thing to. >> one of the most critical things. >> that the united states provides. >> ukraine and has. >> for the last three plus.

>> years, and. >> that. >> is the public. >> support of. >> the united states government and the united. >> states. >> people for the people. >> of ukraine. >> and that. >> is really getting at. >> the heart. >> of what these announcements these. >> week. >> this week have, have. >> have taken out. >> so. >> yes, the last. more than three. >> years now, remember. >> the. >> united states. >> started actually. >> sending some. >> of these. >> weapons and intelligence sharing to. >> ukraine in fall of 2021. >> that included some javelins that included. >> intelligence about. >> russia's military. >> buildup along their border with ukraine. >> the biden. >> administration sharing. >> that early on. >> now, i. >> will say. >> we all remember this. the biden administration. >> was slow. >> to start. >> moving weapons in. >> but even for their critics. >> you have to acknowledge that the. >> logistical feat of getting. >> billions of. >> dollars of weapons and equipment quickly, literally. >> to the front. >> lines in ukraine was. >> a herculean feat. >> and it's one that the military. >> takes a. >> lot of pride in being able. >> to do. >> and they did. it consistently. >> week after week. >> for the last. >> three years. as part of that.

>> the united. >> states. >> has also. stood up. >> this structure. >> in eastern europe. >> where they. >> work. >> they train. >> the ukrainian military. >> they they share intelligence. >> with them. and that has. >> also been consistent here. >> what we. >> are just learning is not only did these. >> weapons did they stop the flow. >> of those. >> we were told. >> that it was 6. >> p.m. monday. >> night. >> eastern time. >> that the order went. >> down and that joe that included weapons and. >> equipment that. >> were literally. >> en route. >> to ukraine. >> en route to. >> the region. >> at that. >> time, we're we're. >> we're stopped and. >> turned around. in addition to that, they have. also curtailed. >> this intelligence. >> and again. >> what this. >> really does is it shows this larger question. >> about whether. >> the u.s. really supports ukraine. >> at. >> all, something that has been. >> a big part. >> of these conversations. >> i also. >> have to. >> say, i. >> know we're tight on. >> time. >> joe, but despite the fact that the u.s. may. >> be cutting some of this. >> off. >> there are other ways the. >> ukrainians can. >> get. >> this intelligence from other. >> partners who the u.s. shares. them with. the ukrainians have. >> a pretty strong.

>> intelligence apparatus already. >> and the allies. >> around them are only. >> stepping up their. >> support in both. >> of these areas. >> that's great to know. thank you so much for your reporting. nbc's courtney kube. we greatly appreciate it. and again, you had cia director john ratcliffe saying that it was going to just be temporary. we shall see if that is in fact the case. john heilemann, it is interesting, the director felt the need to add that in the statement. you see, a lot of republican senators coming out, ted cruz, this war should come to an end in a way that is clear and unequivocal loss for the russians and a loss for putin. murkowski i'm sick to my stomach about this. john thune, no question who started the war. russia is the aggression aggressor here. i could go down all of this. cramer, senator cramer saying trump is factually wrong to label zelensky a dictator, rounds senator rounds. clearly, ukraine needs our support. and i think the vast majority of us are very

supportive of ukraine. they are the ones being attacked. i could go on and on and on. there are some things that donald trump can continue doing that are sustainable. i somehow think not supporting zelensky in favor of putin is not something he can continue for very long, given the republicans opposition in the united states senate. your thoughts? well, joe, i think that is really the question. and you're right, the meeting that that disastrous meeting on friday in the oval office seems to have done something that nothing else so far has done in the second in the era of trump 2.0, which is to gotten some vocal resistance, some vocal opposition from republicans acting like what republicans. used to. >> act like i do. the question now is. >> to what end? >> and where will donald. >> trump and his team land? >> and if. >> he ends up in a place where what he's really negotiating is not an equitable, international law sanctioned peace between

ukraine and russia, but instead is effectively trying to negotiate a one sided surrender to russia, what will those republican senators try to do about that? there's not much they. >> can do about that, but. they can put pressure on. >> trump in other ways. the question is, will they and in what ways will those be? >> nbc news national affairs analyst john heilemann. john, thank you. and we should note, senator from california reacting to this news of a pause in intel sharing, says a weak u.s. president cuts off intelligence support to ukraine, making it more difficult to defend against the russian invader, once again doing the bidding of the dictator putin. not peace through strength, nor peace nor strength, just more weakness. we, of course, will have more on this as it develops. but coming up next here, we'll dive into season three of dark winds, a psychological thriller that follows navajo tribal police officers investigating the disappearance of two boys in the 1970s, actress jenna elfman and

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>> and thicker. >> i finally. >> feel like myself again. >> we're looking. >> for two. >> boys. i think. >> those boys stumbled across a monster. >> oh my lord. >> i'm broken. >> sylvia washington, fbi. >> see, bad spirits. >> i spent your life helping. >> others try. to run. >> from the. >> things that. >> i've done. >> but life is a lie. >> i feel my. >> time running out. >> i need you to tell me everything. >> i say, lord. >> that was a preview of season three of the amc show dark winds, based on the iconic series of books by tony

hillerman, the series follows the work of lieutenant joe leaphorn, a navajo tribal police officer in the american southwest. this season, he must investigate the mysterious and potentially supernatural disappearance of two boys, while also trying to outrun his own past. and amc recently announced that it has already renewed the show for a fourth season. and joining us now. dark winds actor and executive producer zahn mcclarnon, who plays lieutenant leaphorn. and golden globe and emmy nominated actress jenna elfman, who is guest starring in season three as an out of town fbi special agent. thank you both for being here this morning. we appreciate it. i'll start with you. first of all, congrats on the news of the renewal. good news indeed. so set the stage for us. tell us a little bit more about what we should expect in this season. >> this season is another mystery. >> written by tony hillerman, based. >> on a. >> couple of tony. hillerman books. >> the sinister. >> pig and the dance hall of the

dead. >> just a lot of. >> excitement kind. >> of. >> go more. >> into joe's. >> psyche this season. >> and some. of the. >> things that befell him because of some. >> of the. >> choices he made. >> so it's exciting. it's going to be exciting. >> well i'm excited. i'm a huge fan. i've been a fan since you were on longmire as mathias. and you know, one of the really special things about joe leaphorn is kind of. >> seeing the world that. >> he lives in come alive. i'm wondering, you know. >> especially in this. >> moment in. >> american history. >> kind of. can you tell us a little bit about what we can expect to see from this, this world? and is there a message that you have through these characters and their lives about, you know, what joe. leaphorn story should mean for the rest of america? >> you know, i. >> we set. >> the show through. a unique cultural lens. >> that a lot. >> of.

>> audiences haven't seen before. >> and i think. >> that's really important for native representation. >> in television. >> and film today. and i'm. >> very fortunate. >> to. >> be a part. of this. >> this time. >> period in, in film. >> and tv. >> for representation. >> because. >> we all grew. >> up with the. >> the. >> you know, the stereotypes and. >> the tropes. >> and we were showing native. >> culture in. >> a different light and. >> more three. >> dimensional characters. >> and. >> you know. >> we're hoping. >> that audiences. >> are enjoying. >> and i think they. >> are, because the show. >> has been. >> successful and people. >> are tuning in. >> jenna. >> what's it been like for you joining this set in this season? and you're you come in and you are an out of town fbi agent, so you're an outsider coming in and you're a newbie on the set. what's it been like? >> yeah, well. >> first it was just i love john worth's what he's done with the writing and. and working with john was so incredible in every scene, no matter where. >> i turned, there was.

>> just. >> so much talent. and it was just a real honor to be able to come in and be part of the storytelling. and, you know, back. story. 1972 was the first two female fbi agents ever, except for one back in a long time ago. but that was a special, separate situation. so this was the first time that two women graduated the academy. and so she has something to prove, and she's kind of been sent out. and at the same time, i wanted to show how unbecoming white entitlement is. and so it was to just the way she swoops in and but she also has something to prove. so i wanted to bring the subtleties of the collision of those two factors happening. and, you know, just underneath the surface while we are telling the story. >> so those collision but also a collision course with. his character. >> so i. >> make him very uncomfortable. >> talk to us about that dynamic and the way your two act

characters interplay. >> well, i obnoxiously just make myself at home in his storage room. >> with my. >> cup of coffee and he's. >> like, hello? >> and i'm like, oh yeah. so it was very. but, you know, she has a very. she's like a hound and she's a really good investigator. and, you know, sh, she quickly smells. something's not right in everything that she's reading. and she has no back off. but she does give him the you're the law around here. >> so i'm not going to look into you first. >> the stakes. >> are. >> definitely a lot higher when. >> she walks into. >> my office, and. and it means i could lose everything. >> that i have. >> my relationships. >> my freedom, most importantly. so the stakes are definitely high. >> i have. >> something to prove. and you. >> have something to hide. >> yes. >> there you go. use use. >> that as the tagline. >> there we go. >> season three.

>> which premieres this sunday at 9 p.m. on amc, as well as amc plus actor and executive producer zahn mcclarnon and actress jenna elfman. thank you both. >> thank you. >> we're looking forward to seeing it. and that does it for us this morning. thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again here tomorrow morning. jose diaz-balart picks up msnbc's coverage right now. >> and right now on msnbc. full steam ahead. president trump pushing his agenda in a roller coaster 100 minute speech to congress. >> america is back. >> and our. >> country will be. woke no longer. i look at the democrats in front of me, and i realize there is absolutely nothing i can say to make them happy, or to make them stand or smile or applaud. >> plus president trump. shout out to elon musk in the presence of fired federal workers a