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accomplished more in 43 days than most administrations accomplished in four years or eight years. and we are just getting started. >> the president went on to defend his new tariffs, acknowledging the impact it could have on the economy. >> tariffs are about making america rich again and making america great again. and it's happening and it will happen rather quickly. there will be a little disturbance, but we're okay with that. it won't be much. >> the new york times says the president, quote, never made the case for why the potential benefits of the disruption he has triggered was worth the very real costs at home and abroad. amid some democratic protests. in a dramatic moment in the chamber, congressman al green was removed by the sergeant at arms after he shouted at the president. but the record breaking, 100 minute long speech also contained lighter moments

like this one. the president honoring 13 year old d.j. daniel, who always dreamed of becoming a police officer. >> d.j, we're going to do you the biggest honor of them all. i am asking our new secret service director, sean curran, to officially make you an agent of the united states secret service. >> and joining us now, nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander. also with us, ashley parker, writer at the atlantic, former republican governor john kasich from ohio. and symone sanders townsend, former chief spokesperson for vice president harris and co-host of the weekend here on msnbc. peter, what were folks inside the white house saying this morning about how the president's speech went last night? what they were saying about exactly. >> what you would expect them to say. caroline leavitt, the press

secretary, who will be briefing reporters in the next couple of hours, saying that president trump absolutely owned the moment. of course, that's what you would expect. i will tell you what i heard privately, though, from a top ally to donald trump, this person described the speech last night as the unabashedly the most partizan speech he has ever heard delivered by a president in that house, chamber said this was, in effect, donald trump confidant and, in their words, on steroids. in the eyes of the president's allies, they believe that the president will have been successful in sort of delivering a message to those more independent minded voters, among others, saying that he sort of presented himself as a rare politician who says things, promises them, and then does them quickly. obviously, americans are very divided in their views about this president. you saw the silence, sometimes loud protests by democrats right there, the president often exaggerating or even making up some of his comments throughout the course of the night, saying that $350

billion have been spent on us aid to ukraine, the number not even roughly half that, if we were to actually tally it all up right now. but i think the white house, by and large, feels pretty good about it. so much so that the president isn't going on the road. he's got the biggest megaphone he needs here on social media. and with his sort of repeated media appearances from here. instead, it's going to be jd vance, who's traveling today. he's along the border trying to make the case about the successes this administration has had so far on cracking down on illegal immigration at the border. >> yeah. and, ashley, the president's message, or rather, messages, they were certainly delivered in a very trumpian way. how did you see the speech last night? >> so as i was watching, i couldn't help but think that in many ways it was a giant troll right from the very outset. and this was both the tone that president trump set and that the congressman, the democratic congressman from texas, set by kind of standing up and disrupting the speech and

heckling him. and the democrats, who came in with various signs that that it was going to be partizan warfare. and again, it's worth remembering just how striking it is for the scenes we saw play out. so, for instance, the president of the united states mocking senator elizabeth warren, calling her pocahontas from that perch, you know, saying he enjoyed the back and forth. he enjoyed the heckling. he had some off script moments, as when he pointed out, he claimed. >> look. >> the democrats, i can't even get them to smile or applaud or stand at anything i want. but this was a president who relished sort of, as he would say, and as his allies would say, what he viewed as owning the libs. that was kind of my first takeaway from watching that hour and 40 minute spectacle. >> yeah. you know, symone, spectacle. actually mentioning it, defining it in that way. i was watching you last night on

msnbc, you know, there and jake sherman was telling me just in the last, last hour that these speeches aren't what they used to be. i guess the definition of decorum is different. i guess a definition of what you're trying to get out of these speeches is different. how did you see it? >> well, look, i think this is this was a different joint address than any other joint address before it, because the executive branch is actively trampling on and, you know, giving the proverbial middle finger to the other co-equal branch of government that is the legislative body, the very chamber in which the president was standing. he is touting in his speech a number of quote unquote accomplishments that some of them didn't actually happen. and then some of them are executive orders that he has decreed money. he is rolling back that he does not have the power to roll back because congress has the power of the purse. so i take everyone's historical, you know, this is how it used to be, and it's transformed into this. tonight was very different. last night was very different. and because

because of that, you have to look to see where the american people are. there are people in very red places in america going to their members of congress, asking them to do something, asking why are veterans being fired? there are some people who who live in very blue and purple places going to their members of congress saying, we will stand with you in these town halls. we will stand with you if you just stand up and fight for us. and so i think what happened last night, the democratic response, if you will, in that chamber. >> is not what leadership was asking. >> it's not what leadership wanted. and i do think that leadership did not do their members any favors with the heavy hand of how they should respond. no disruptions. everyone must attend because the pressure is mounting within the democratic caucus because of what their constituents are saying. and so last night was an opportunity to kind of let some of the pressure off, release some of the valve, the protests, if i may, use quotes for folks at home that you saw with the signs bingo signs, as i referred

to them on auction signs, the little paddles from fogo de chao, those the t shirts and people walking out. those were the members saying to their leadership, please, we have to do something that does not look like business as usual. and so i think the members, the leadership needs to listen to their members, because i do think a number of these members are very more closer to the electorate than the leadership is. i think the leadership is misreading this moment. >> but i mean, like the bingo cards, is that something that is a way of reflecting that growing frustration and anger? >> i talked to some state democratic party chairs last night who said they brought signs to a gunfight. i also talked to some organizers that said, look, i'm going to give anybody credit for trying, but it's not their fault. the leadership squashed the ability for a mass movement, if you will, around this joint session. and i think that the private conversations will very quickly spill out to the public. if something like this happens again, the next opportunity is march 14th, when it's time to fund the budget. are democrats going to give them the votes? i

know a lot of members that think they should not participate in the charade. >> or even support a cr continuing cr hey john, how did you see it? i'm just thinking of the many years you were at the at the house and of course, of your long political career. how did you see last night? >> well, you know, jose, i sat through 18. of them. and, you know, it was always kind of partizan, but people would kind of smile a little bit back and forth because it was sort of a little bit of a political partizan game. but there was none of that last night. there was no smiling. there was no zero comraderie let me, let me just say that trump hit on the a lot of the 80 percenters, the getting the illegals who committed crime out of the country. he talked about, you know, the waste and used examples of it, which people probably shook their head and said, that's terrible. he talked about, you know, we don't want to have boys playing on the girls basketball team. those are 80 percenters. but i didn't see any, of course, any really reaching out across the aisle. and with the republicans, i had

a little bit of a sense of gloating, which is always dangerous when you're doing well. as one senior once told me, low ride low in the saddle when things are going well. so i was i was disappointed in that. secondly, in regard to the democrats, they're completely lost. what? that was ridiculous last night, the way, you know, he had those little signs and all that stuff. they remind me of a boxer who got knocked down and is punch drunk and doesn't know what to do. i mean, the democrats have no program right now to counter what it is that the republicans are doing now. you're going to see a campaign in virginia where you're going to see a democrat candidate who's going to be very effective in focusing on business, and i suspect that that candidate can win. and maybe giving the democrats more of a playbook about what they should do. if i were them, i'd be talking about the excesses of the trump program right now. i just wouldn't be sitting there waving

signs. some guy gets up and waves a cane. i mean, come on. i mean, that's just that's there's no answer there. that's that's silly. and i don't think they did very well by themselves. but at the same time, to the republicans, be cautious. i know they're not going to do town halls now because people are coming to the town halls and disrupting some democrats, some concern some concerned citizens. but at the end it was you know, it reminded me of the of, of, of the uk, you know, where you got the two sides on different, you know, different sides of every issue. yeah. >> but the. >> houses. >> yeah, the, the houses of parliament have a tradition of that, which is certainly a fascinating one at that. but peter, meanwhile, this morning, two white house officials said the us has paused intelligence sharing with ukraine. where do things stand there? >> well, this clearly sends a very serious message to a lot of america's allies overseas. you can imagine what's happening in european capitals right now as they heard this news. this follows president trump in the last 48 hours or so, announcing

that pause on military aid from the united states to ukraine after vladimir zelensky, in that overheated exchange between him, j.d. vance and donald trump just last friday. so now, not just the aid that's been paused with these us. white house officials saying that intelligence is also being paused in terms of it's being shared with ukraine right now. here's part of what we heard from the national security advisor, mike waltz. listen. >> we have we have taken a step back and are pausing and reviewing all aspects of this relationship. but i just got off the phone before i walked out here with my counterpart, the ukrainian national security adviser. we are having good talks on location for the next round of negotiations on delegations on substance. so just in the last 24 hours since the public statement from zelensky and then these

subsequent conversations, which i'm going to walk inside and continue, i think we're going to see movement in very short order. >> we should note we're also hearing from the cia director, john ratcliffe, who says on the military aid and intelligence front, he thinks that those pauses will soon be lifted, noting that they are seeing some positive signs. in the words of mike wallace. after zelensky posted that statement yesterday on x shared a letter that donald trump revealed yesterday saying that ukraine is ready for peace at this time. this does appear to be part of a negotiating process that the white house is using to try to strike that deal with ukraine and ultimately with russia as well. >> and simone, i mean, this comes reason. yes. >> i was going to say that i think what you're beginning to see are the brits and the french telling zelensky, maybe, perhaps they'll even accompany him to washington and zelensky will sign something. but i think yet to be determined is what's the security guarantee going to be?

are the french and the brits enough to do things on the ground with troops? what does he want? maybe more arms, more stash for the ukrainians to be able to defend themselves? it looks as though they are going to sit down and begin talking. and i'll bet the french and the brits have had a lot to say to zelensky about the way that he should proceed. >> and simone, i mean, this all comes as recent polls here in the united states show about well over half of americans still support ukraine over russia, but 44% say they support neither in this conflict. how is this continuing to play out? >> look, i think the misinformation surrounding what the united states has and has not done for ukraine, what ukraine, what president zelensky specifically has and has not done, it contributes to these polling numbers that we see. you know, one of the criticisms, if you will, from the president and the vice president is that, oh, well, zelensky went to pennsylvania to campaign for kamala harris in the late stages of the 2024 election. well, what president zelensky did do is he

went to pennsylvania and he visited a munitions plant with the governor of pennsylvania. when we talk about the money that is, quote unquote, gone to ukraine, most of the money, actually, the department of defense takes to buy weapons from american companies made in america, places like georgia, places like pennsylvania, arizona. okay, you get my drift? ohio. and then they send those munitions that they purchased to the ukrainians. and so there is a lot of misinformation here, and i. >> will the governor of pennsylvania was campaigning for the vice. >> he was campaigning for the vice president. but you say that president zelensky was campaigning for the vice president. he is if anything, he was out here campaigning for the ukrainian people. he president zelensky is in a very precarious position. the americans, when i worked at the white house in that first year, when i left, there was the belief that one russia was going to invade ukraine, and two, the americans didn't even believe that ukraine was going to last two weeks, that putin would be sitting in kyiv within two weeks. so much so that the americans offered.

we offered to get zelensky out and he declined to go. so this is not some pushover, some guy that's really not interested in peace. he's defending his people and looks like the president is just selling out our allies to putin. why? we need to ask why. >> peter alexander, ashley parker, governor john kasich and symone sanders townsend with the we need to ask why. i think we need to be asking why all the time. agreed. thank you. up next, breaking this morning, the supreme court denies a trump administration's request to cancel $2 billion in foreign aid. what that decision means. plus, an nbc news exclusive about possible change to the trump administration's mass deportation plans. speak to congressman adriano espaillat, who gave the spanish language response to president trump's response to president trump's speech next. upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms.

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is not a preliminary decision. as the dissenting justices point out, it was a temporary restraining order entered by a district court. and today, a majority of the supreme court is saying that that temporary restraining order can stand. as a result of that temporary restraining order standing, that means usaid has to pay certain contractors for already contracted funds on work that was already completed before a certain day in february. so it is a very narrow ruling in that way. it just pertains to contracts for work that was already completed. but essentially what they're saying is usaid does have to pay up on those contracts. and this is important as well. the district court judge here has to and this is according to the majority. they have to clarify what obligations the government must fulfill to ensure that compliance with and this is their, quote, due regard for the feasibility of any compliance

timelines. in other words, that 24 hour deadline that the district court set last week. the majority is saying here that may not be feasible for an outlay of nearly $2 billion. make it clear what it is that the government has to do to comply and be realistic about timelines, appreciating the fact that money has to flow in a certain direction and a certain order, and it can't all be done at the snap of a judicial finger. >> so this is limited, and yet it's $2 billion. so just the numbers are huge. but so lisa, explain to us, because in a bureaucracy that is so large and you know, the numbers we're talking about are humongous. it's for work that has already been contracted for, not for contracts that already exist for future funding. >> that's correct. what the supreme court is saying here is we are just ordering usaid to

pay out on work that was already completed. so to the extent that usaid had contracts with certain service providers and the work has already been done, you must pay for that now. but they are very careful and cabining their order to just pertain to that already completed work. they aren't saying, for example, that the administration doesn't have the power to pause funding for work that hasn't been completed. in fact, there's really nothing in this decision, jose, that talks about the power of the president or the executive to pause funding. really, what the debate is here is about the power of a court and when and if the federal government should be immune from suit for money. >> so it in the bigger usaid debate, discussion and the reality, is there a step going forward? >> well, first we have to hear from the district court for it to say to usaid, here's exactly what you have to do and on what

timetable. but what this leaves open is, of course, to what extent usaid still has to pay on money that congress has appropriated for work that hasn't been completed. does it have to honor contracts, for example, that have been set, but for work that remains to be done in the future? that's a future legal fight that we should see happen over the coming weeks and months. jose. >> yeah, there better be interesting to look if there's any back timed receipts there going forward, because there is a lot of work that has been completed, but a whole lot more that has not been completed. that's correct. fascinating. lisa, thank you for always explaining it with such clarity. >> i appreciate you. thanks, jose. >> up next, why vice president vance is going to the border today. and later, the markets coming back a bit after two days of massive losses. it's up 3233 points. all this amid president trump's new tariffs on canada and mexico and china. what his commerce secretary is saying today about a possible deal

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caused the administrator to resign? right now, in our time today, the unpopularity of what they're doing really does create real political pressure at the source to stop it, to at least slow him down. >> 27 past the hour this morning, nbc news has exclusive reporting the trump administration is rethinking its plan to hold migrants at the us naval base in guantanamo. comes just after the president touted his success at the southern border during last night's joint address to congress. >> the media and our friends in the democrat party kept saying we needed new legislation. we must have legislation to secure the border. but it turned out that all we really needed was a new president. >> nbc's julia ainsley joins us this morning. julia. thank you. what's going on with the trump administration's plans for the naval base in guantanamo bay, cuba? >> well, look, when trump signed that executive. >> order on january 29th.

>> to. >> put what he said would be 30,000 migrants in guantanamo bay, as it turns out, that really took a lot of people both at dhs and dod, the department of defense, by complete surprise. they had not put plans in place during the transition or early in the administration to figure out exactly what that would look like. and two biden administration officials i spoke to said that the migrant operations center that was already in guantanamo to house migrants interdicted at sea, needed was in badly need of repairs and that they could really only hold about 50 people. that's one of the reasons why we were able to report two weeks ago that they completely emptied out the initial 178 migrants there. now it's being used as a staging area. but jose, they're still up against the fact that it's incredibly costly to bring people there, not only the migrants but the staff that they need. the fact that they have not been able to get these detention centers up to ice standards, either the migrant operation center or the tents that they've built, and that they are also in legal trouble. they're being sued by the aclu

and other groups to stop the transfer of migrants there and to allow for in-person access to counsel, which could also be very difficult for them to do. >> and, julie, i mean, as far as immigration, border crossing numbers are at a 25 year low. what was the vice president doing at the border today? >> yeah, that's right. he'll be championing this saying that look, their policies are working because those numbers are so low. and of course, as we have heard even from smugglers saying that their business has been cut by 80% since trump came into office, in large part, it has to do with these border policies, where they're basically not even allowing immigrants to come to the border to claim asylum. there are no legal ways to do it. they can't claim asylum at ports of entry. they've done away with the cbp one app. it also is a lot to do with mexico that now has national guard standing at the border, keeping people from going into the united states. and if anyone does get that far, oftentimes they're apprehended and bust down into southern mexico. so yes, they're boasting this 25

year high. that's the lowest it's ever been since data started being recorded like this in 2000. but i think we need to see what happens in the future. and i think it's too early to say that those numbers are low because migrants are scared they'll be deported. we still don't have the deportation numbers. >> yeah. and meanwhile, right now, the mayors of several sanctuary cities are testifying before the house. and the mayor of boston just responded to border czar tom homan's promise to, quote, bring hell to boston. take a listen. >> let's talk about tom homan. shame on him for lying about my city, for having the nerve to insult our police commissioner who has overseen the safest. boston's been in anyone's lifetime. bring him here under oath, and let's ask him some questions. >> julia, what's happening there? >> well, a source close to home that i spoke to recently said that sanctuary cities are the thorn in homan side. and so far,

we've seen most of the large scale operations that homan has directed ice to carry out have been in sanctuary cities. they've gone into places like denver, like new york. they've gone into other cities where they want to make a splash, really, to show that they're going up against these policies. we also know they've sued the state of new york and the city of chicago and state of illinois for sanctuary policies. and so these mayors are saying that they are being unfairly targeted. and in many cases, we'll see whether or not they themselves could be the subjects of lawsuits, either civilly, which we've seen so far or criminally, because the justice department has directed some u.s. attorneys to prosecute if necessary, if they feel that their operations are being impeded. >> julia ainsley, thank you so very much. meanwhile, last night, the democrats spanish language response to president trump's address was delivered by new york congressman adriano espaillat. here is some of what

he had to say. >> esta noche por los ultimos cinco dias. escuchamos a un president. convenient. qué creado un ambiente de terror en la comunidad immigrant. qué la grita a sus adversarios? >> he said, among other things, the president has created an atmosphere of fear in the migrant community that he often yells and lies about and at his opponents. congressman adriano espaillat is with us this morning, congressman. it's a true pleasure to always see you. i thank you for your time. congressman, you talked about a very reare a real fear, i should say, in some migrant communities in our country, that fear is indeed real. do you see any way that that fear could be mitigated going forward? >> well, jose, thank you for having me. you know, even citizens. you know, i visited a citizen, a us citizen of dominican descent, who was stopped and questioned for a

couple of hours on his way to work. although he had a federal id and him and his wife were both us citizens, and yet he was treated as though he was undocumented and he was stopped by ice and questioned and all. he highlighted the fact that he had this federal id and that he was on his way to work. they refused to even call his job. he was late to work, obviously. so everybody, when that net is cast out there, citizens are impacted by it. legal residents are impacted by it. immigrants, of course, friends and neighbors of family members will be impacted. and they sent out a chilling effect in our community that when you walk in a commercial artery, you're going to see far less foot traffic in restaurants and shops. so this is even impacting our local economies. and i think that the intent was to prosecute dangerous, violent criminals and if found guilty,

to deport them, but not the average us citizen or a legal resident or even an immigrant that may have committed an offense that was not a violent one. >> congressman, there are millions of people in our country that live in mixed immigration status households, some that have been born here and raised here, and some the abuelitas that may not have their documents. is there any way of, as you just said, focusing on those that have committed a crime and that are in here in our country without permit and commit crimes, and then and then recognizing the abuelitas and the and the and the millions of people who have been in this country, many for decades, and who are participating and are a part of the fabric of our society. is there a way to differentiate those two? >> oh, jose, the laws are already on the books. if you

committed a violent crime and you don't have papers, you know you're found guilty in a court of law, you're going to be deported. what we are saying is that dreamers who have been here for an average more than 20 years, pay taxes, haven't broken. the law should be regularized that farm workers that are not going to work because they fear they're going to be deported, should be going to work so that it doesn't impact food prices at the cash register, should be protected, and that families should be kept together. because anytime you split an abuelita from her granddaughter or grandson, it weakens that family and it weakens our nation. so we should be able to differentiate between the very violent felon who committed a crime and was found guilty, and the abuelita who's there nurturing that family. i think there is a vast difference there. but the trump initiative casts a net, that's why. and it scoops up everybody. it doesn't leave anybody out there.

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>> absolutely. on a personal level, it's been devastating. but on the other side of that, it's been bittersweet. i found the community that i chose to move to has been incredibly supportive. people have at the park that the folks i worked with have stepped up and reached out, and we've gotten together, and it's been like a family. so it hasn't been all doom and gloom. and i just really appreciate everyone's support. >> senator, i know that yesterday was your birthday, feliz cumpleanos, and you posted it after the speech. that concludes the worst birthday of my life. what were you thinking when you wrote that? >> you know, i was so struck by. >> how donald trump and his. speech just relished. >> in the. >> disruption that he has caused to so many. americans with absolutely no thought of the consequences of that disruption. and of course, i was thinking about kate. here's kate and her husband, who moved to international falls, minnesota,

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mexico and additional tariffs on goods coming in from china. >> if you don't make your product in america, however, under the trump administration, you will pay a tariff and in some cases a rather large one. other countries have used tariffs against us for decades, and now it's our turn to start using them against those other countries. >> those new tariffs and the talk of tariffs rattled the stock markets, causing the dow to drop some 1300 points in over two days. right now the dow is up. actually it's down about 75 points. and so not a big shift of the dow so far. but we're still at just under noon east coast time. nasdaq and the s&p 500 are also down slightly. this comes after commerce secretary howard lutnick hinted in an interview with bloomberg that there could be changes to the tariffs on mexico and canada. take a listen. >> the president is. >> listening to.

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maybe there's some sort of relief there. is there another delay? the said there will be no pause. there's not going to be a pause. so we just don't know what that's going to look like. there's also, for example, the canadian foreign minister on the bbc last night said they're talking to cabinet officials in the us all the time, and it doesn't seem as though they're talking on behalf of the united states president. the president alone is making these decisions and is moving forward aggressively with with tariffs. a new era of american protectionism. >> and, you know, the carve outs or no carve outs. and i know that you've been studying as you do everything but but the interconnectivity between canada, the united states and mexico on, for example, the issue of auto auto manufacturing. >> and remember, president trump wrote the rules for the us, canada and mexico for how we make a car in the united states and what percentage of it can be domestic manufactured and assembled, and what pieces can come from someplace else. there are there are consoles and parts of cars that are assembled in

the us that go back and forth across these borders multiple times. imagine a 25% tariff on all of those. that could raise the price of a car 4000, 5000, up to $12,000, according to one analysis that i saw. if you pass along those 25% tariffs and again, these are rules. these are big auto companies and auto parts companies that after usmca, the president's own trade deal, they moved factories. they spent billions of dollars to make sure they were complying with how president trump wanted north american trade. and now he's starting all over again. so that is why there's so much frustration in the auto industry and a big worry it could raise prices. we also heard from progressive, the auto insurance company, saying, look, if companies if cars are going to be more expensive, auto insurance is going to be more expensive. and the president, you know, ran saying, i'm going to lower gas prices, grocery prices, insurance prices, all these things that are a problem for the american consumer. but his own trade policies, according to insurance companies, is going to raise insurance. >> christine, can. >> you explain a little to me? because i still have these, like, i'm not really

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